What is that floating next to the ISS?
Ok, guys, here's something that'll probably make you burn midnight oil! Here's an image of the ISS. Do you notice anything strange here? Like something floating outside the ISS?
(http://apod.oa.uj.edu.pl/apod/image/0104/0104_iss_big.jpg)
No? Ok, now check out this second pic which has been enhanced a trifle by adding contrast and brightness. Now do you see it?
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/ISS2_zpso6q5dxai.jpg)
Let's magnify it a bit.....
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/ISS3_zpsueorh2po.jpg)
Whoops! Looks like my office trashcan! Lol!
Seriously, what do you think it is? :-\
An ISS module just floating around? Which one? If it was, then why can't it be seen in the first photograph in normal mode? It's only when the image is enhanced does this object show up. 'Cloaking'? Are shadows playing tricks or is there more than meets the eye here?
And of course, it's impossible to tell the distance. Could be a few feet to a few miles from the ISS. No such module (If it is one) can be seen from the other side of the ISS.
Can the experts out here hazard a guess as to what this object might be? A satellite? But that argument ain't an option as there needs to be minimum separation between space objects and the ISS. And no free floating junk that size can come so close. Space debris? The usual 'reflection' hypothesis?
Or.....a cloaked alien space craft?? Damned if I know!
Over to you guys.......
Closest i could find is the Japanese garbage disposal....:)
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/japgarbdisposal_zpsobfyqlgk.jpg) (http://s1135.photobucket.com/user/Sgt_Rocknroll/media/japgarbdisposal_zpsobfyqlgk.jpg.html)
Being an international effort, there are resupply vehicles from other countries visiting it. However they don't look anything like this 'trash can'! Not the Japanese HTV1 or 2, nor the Soyuz TMA- M, and I can't find anything about any ESA visitor.
Anyway, that thing looks wrong for a satellite, besides which if it was then wouldn't NASA have said so? And most importantly, it surely would be easily visible?
I wonder how 'cloaked' it really was - maybe the ISS crew didn't know it was there? :-\
I found another version of that photo here (https://catalog.archives.gov/id/23227969), and not only it appears uncropped, as it shows more, it also looks like it wasn't subjected to a contrast enhancement, like the one on the official NASA page.
Increasing the brightness on the above image it shows that there are many things that looks like small water drops (or something similar) on the shuttle's window, so it's possible that it's just a refraction or reflection on a small water drop.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/255-STS-s100e5165.jpg)
The photo before this one doesn't show any object on that place, but it shows several of those "drops"...
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/255-STS-s100e5164.jpg)
... and the same happens with the photo after the one in the opening post.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/255-STS-s100e5166.jpg)
While I agree that reflections are a possibility, what Mike pointed out is NOT a raindrop..... ::)
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on February 19, 2017, 03:06:11 PM
While I agree that reflections are a possibility, what Mike pointed out is NOT a raindrop..... ::)
I didn't say it was.
I'm using Paintshop Pro 8X 64
This is a crop of Mike's 1st picture plus zoomed.
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/trashcan-2_zps62tdnsgq.png) (http://s1135.photobucket.com/user/Sgt_Rocknroll/media/trashcan-2_zps62tdnsgq.png.html)
This one is zoomed and enhanced with an app that does automatic photo fixes.
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/trashcan-1_zpsqbfv0pwp.png) (http://s1135.photobucket.com/user/Sgt_Rocknroll/media/trashcan-1_zpsqbfv0pwp.png.html)
What bothers me is the lack of light on the object as compared to the ISS....????
Ok ArMap,,,,,'water drop'...sheesh
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on February 19, 2017, 03:18:02 PM
Ok ArMap,,,,,'water drop'...sheesh
So, what do you think those things in the photos I posted are?
Water drops and moisture. But the topic is what Mike posted. And that and moisture or water drops. A reflection of something else? Maybe but if so where are the other reflections?
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on February 19, 2017, 06:19:42 PM
Water drops and moisture.
That's what I think.
QuoteBut the topic is what Mike posted.
Obviously, that's why I went looking for other versions of the photo Mike posted.
QuoteAnd that and moisture or water drops.
Sorry, this I don't understand. ???
QuoteA reflection of something else?
I think it could be a reflection of the interior of the Space Shuttle.
QuoteMaybe but if so where are the other reflections?
That "reflection" is much brighter than the others, so the contrast increase that was apparently applied to the photo was enough to destroy those darker reflections, but not the brightest.
Weak argument, weak ::)
I wonder if it could be this, the Bigelow inflatable module; when was the photo in the OP taken?
Video courtesy of Space.com
QuoteThat "reflection" is much brighter than the others, so the contrast increase that was apparently applied to the photo was enough to destroy those darker reflections, but not the brightest.
Nice try, but no cigar.
Only YOU said there were darker reflections. ;D
Quote from: the seeker on February 19, 2017, 09:54:53 PM
I wonder if it could be this, the Bigelow inflatable module; when was the photo in the OP taken?
Video courtesy of Space.com
Thought it might be too, but the BEAM is too large I think.
Quote from: thorfourwinds on February 19, 2017, 11:12:35 PM
Nice try, but no cigar.
Only YOU said there were darker reflections. ;D
You can check for yourself.
Quote from: the seeker on February 19, 2017, 09:54:53 PM
I wonder if it could be this, the Bigelow inflatable module; when was the photo in the OP taken?
The photo has the date at the bottom, 2001-04-21.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/ISS_October_2002.jpg/450px-ISS_October_2002.jpg)
International Space Station on 16 October 2002
I can't find anything during the time frame of the photo in the OP that would point to it being a module waiting to be installed,,,
but to my eyes it does not look like a water droplet on the window, and does not look like a reflection in the window, either...
but that is just my opinion
Seeker
Quote from: the seeker on February 20, 2017, 01:25:52 AM
but to my eyes it does not look like a water droplet on the window, and does not look like a reflection in the window, either...
To make it clear, what I think is that it's possible that it was a reflection on a water droplet, not one or the other.
Quote from: ArMaP on February 20, 2017, 01:35:25 AM
To make it clear, what I think is that it's possible that it was a reflection on a water droplet, not one or the other.
A reflection on a water droplet; I suppose that is possible, but there is a tremendous amount of detail in that little water droplet ::)
Seeker
Seemingly has no relationship to a water droplet on the window - IMO! Yes, the detail of whatever it is pretty much voids "water droplet, doesn't it??
Quote from: ArMaP on February 19, 2017, 02:56:09 PM
I found another version of that photo here (https://catalog.archives.gov/id/23227969), and not only it appears uncropped, as it shows more, it also looks like it wasn't subjected to a contrast enhancement, like the one on the official NASA page.
Increasing the brightness on the above image it shows that there are many things that looks like small water drops (or something similar) on the shuttle's window, so it's possible that it's just a refraction or reflection on a small water drop.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/255-STS-s100e5165.jpg)
The photo before this one doesn't show any object on that place, but it shows several of those "drops"...
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/255-STS-s100e5164.jpg)
... and the same happens with the photo after the one in the opening post.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/255-STS-s100e5166.jpg)
Ok, but why no 'droplets' in the first image I posted except just one which I enhanced? Surely there would have been more?
Quote from: Mikesingh on February 20, 2017, 05:27:20 AM
Ok, but why no 'droplets' in the first image I posted except just one which I enhanced? Surely there would have been more?
I think that's because the one remaining is much brighter than the others and "survived" the contrast increase applied to the photo.
Quote from: the seeker on February 20, 2017, 02:16:14 AM
A reflection on a water droplet;
I forgot to add, like I did on my first post, that it could also be a refraction, and, in that case, it could most likely be the refraction of the ISS itself, as it's the brightest object in the scene.
This is what happens when I take the photo I found on the archive.org page...
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/255-STS-s100e5165_28129.jpg)
... and change its brightness to -25 and its contrast to 20.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/255-STS-s100e5165_28129_1.jpg)
If I now increase the brightness to 90 and the contrast to 80 I get this:
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/255-STS-s100e5165_28129_2.jpg)
All the other "droplets" disappeared.
I didn't know there was any water in space.
ArMaP! That's the weirdest looking droplet I've ever seen! (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/Ghelyon.gif)
Water droplet, my a**. I'm sick to death of people who naysay the obvious.
When was the last time anyone saw a cube-shaped drop of water?
Please post a picture of any cube-shaped water droplet you have seen.
::)
There is too much structure in the object to be a water droplet or water condensation or a splash from a smoothie or a sneeze snot ball.... ;) ::)
if it was any of the above, I would expect it to be floating in space....j/s
Now it may be a reflection of something mechanical inside the ISS or it could be something floating outside....
but it definitely has structure....
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on February 20, 2017, 12:45:01 PM
There is too much structure in the object to be a water droplet or water condensation or a splash from a smoothie or a sneeze snot ball.... ;) ::)
if it was any of the above, I would expect it to be floating in space....j/s
Now it may be a reflection of something mechanical inside the ISS or it could be something floating outside....
but it definitely has structure....
It has very well defined structure 8)
Apparently nobody has noticed that a water droplet acts like a lens.
Quote from: biggles on February 20, 2017, 11:51:59 AM
I didn't know there was any water in space.
The photo was taken from inside the Space Shuttle.
and that means???????? what????
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/255-STS-s100e5165.jpg)
This is the first image you posted, Armap, showing water droplets on the window of the shuttle; magnify it without changes to anything and that one in question shows structure; the other water droplets do not...
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on February 20, 2017, 01:52:07 PM
and that means???????? what????
What do you mean by "that"? ???
Quote from: the seeker on February 20, 2017, 02:04:33 PM
magnify it without changes to anything and that one in question shows structure; the other water droplets do not...
That's why I said in this post (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10056.msg132816#msg132816) that what it probably shows is the ISS itself, refracted by that particular water droplet.
Quote from: ArMaP on February 20, 2017, 02:07:18 PM
What do you mean by "that"? ???
'that' means what you said just previously....
I would think that if what you contend is true, do we know which window this photo was taken from?
And if we can find that out, I'm sure the reflected object can be identified by the contents of inside the space shuttle...i.e. equipment and such....
Right?
Here's a couple of examples,,,,I'm sure there are more...just don't have the time right now.....
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/SpaceShuttleCockpit_zpshdqej26k.jpg) (http://s1135.photobucket.com/user/Sgt_Rocknroll/media/SpaceShuttleCockpit_zpshdqej26k.jpg.html)
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/atlantis-flight-deck_zpsegtfejwb.jpg) (http://s1135.photobucket.com/user/Sgt_Rocknroll/media/atlantis-flight-deck_zpsegtfejwb.jpg.html)
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/005_zpsmqzuzx5j.jpg) (http://s1135.photobucket.com/user/Sgt_Rocknroll/media/005_zpsmqzuzx5j.jpg.html)
Quote from: ArMaP on February 20, 2017, 02:12:05 PM
That's why I said in this post (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10056.msg132816#msg132816) that what it probably shows is the ISS itself, refracted by that particular water droplet.
The issue with that is I see absolutely nothing on the ISS that comes close to resembling that artifact...
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on February 20, 2017, 03:21:05 PM
'that' means what you said just previously....
It would be easier if you quoted the post, that way I wouldn't have to guess which post you're referring to. :)
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on February 20, 2017, 03:25:17 PM
I would think that if what you contend is true, do we know which window this photo was taken from?
I didn't find any information about that.
Quote from: ArMaP on February 20, 2017, 08:41:02 PM
It would be easier if you quoted the post, that way I wouldn't have to guess which post you're referring to. :)
I assumed since I posted right after your post, you would make the connection, obviously not.
Quote from: the seeker on February 20, 2017, 06:11:05 PM
The issue with that is I see absolutely nothing on the ISS that comes close to resembling that artifact...
I was thinking the shuttle as the picture was taken from there,,,as there being something inside the shuttle that would cause water droplet to become a lens and then reflect something inside the shuttle...
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on February 20, 2017, 09:29:57 PM
I was thinking the shuttle as the picture was taken from there,,,as there being something inside the shuttle that would cause water droplet to become a lens and then reflect something inside the shuttle...
Understood; but as I pointed out, in that one pic of all the water droplets that is the only one that isn't blurred and really shows a lot of clear detail of structure; if it is a reflection, without knowing which window it was taken from I don't see any way to tell...
Quote from: the seeker on February 20, 2017, 09:33:51 PM
Understood; but as I pointed out, in that one pic of all the water droplets that is the only one that isn't blurred and really shows a lot of clear detail of structure; if it is a reflection, without knowing which window it was taken from I don't see any way to tell...
My point exactly....I don't think its a reflection. Might be a clandestine military op going on....
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on February 20, 2017, 09:28:20 PM
I assumed since I posted right after your post, you would make the connection, obviously not.
Your post was after two posts I made, that's why I don't know which one you are talking about.
For fun, i cropped the 'item' and used 'smart photo fix' in Paintshop and then pasted it next to the original 'item'...
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/trashcan-5_zpsocmyrfc5.png) (http://s1135.photobucket.com/user/Sgt_Rocknroll/media/trashcan-5_zpsocmyrfc5.png.html)
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on February 20, 2017, 09:56:20 PM
My point exactly....I don't think its a reflection. Might be a clandestine military op going on....
My thoughts on the matter also; look at how many years the manned orbiting lab was running without a peep from anyone...
8)
Seeker
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on February 20, 2017, 09:56:20 PM
My point exactly....I don't think its a reflection. Might be a clandestine military op going on....
Probably so. Check out my thread on ATS here....
The Top Secret US Military Space Program. Is The Future Already Here?http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread329997/pg1
Methinks it could probably be a hollowed out asteroid which is miles away. An artificial sat would be more streamlined and devoid of the rough finish this object has.
This is what I mean.....
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h367/MonasinghX/asteroid_zps8alluyx1.jpg)
Whether we have the capability of hollowing out asteroids which is part of a secret space program that we are unaware of or a construct by ETs, is all conjecture. Who knows? But as ArMaP insists, it could just be a bubble after all!
But remember.......
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.Hamlet (1.5.167-8)The truth is out there!! :)
Quote from: Mikesingh on February 21, 2017, 06:30:07 AM
But as ArMaP insists, it could just be a bubble after all!
I never said that.
The object is a spacecraft (possibly supply craft) being grappled by the ISS robotic arm prior to docking or during undocking.
Or it could be a cloaked alien spaceship. :P
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/HTV-6_grappled_by_the_International_Space_Station%27s_robotic_arm_%282%29.jpg/800px-HTV-6_grappled_by_the_International_Space_Station%27s_robotic_arm_%282%29.jpg)
The Japanese HTV-6 cargo vehicle is seen grappled by the International Space Station's robotic arm after arrival. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HTV-6_grappled_by_the_International_Space_Station%27s_robotic_arm_(2).jpg)
Unlike Progress capsules and ATVs, which dock automatically, HTVs and American commercial spacecraft approach the ISS in stages, and are signaled by ISS crew or ground control to continue from one holding point to the next. Once they reach their closest parking orbit to the ISS, crew grapple them using the robotic arm Canadarm2 and berth them to an open berthing port on the Harmony module.
That's possible, but then:
1. Why isn't it visible?
2. The shape is noting like any of the modules/supply ships/ATV etc.
In a lighter vein you mentioned it could be an alien cloaked ship! Well, check this out.....
(http://worldufophotosandnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/1-29-14-ALIEN-CRAFT-AND-I.S.S.-IN-ORBIT.jpg)
What the heck is this object docked with the ISS? :-\
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcZuw8n5h8s
And...
A video shot of the Soyuz about to dock with the ISS and an unusual object accompanying it in the distance....
(http://www.pravda-tv.ru/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/shokiruyushhie-kadry-nlo-171-chy-730x370.jpg)
What's going on?
According to google, april 2001 is the timeframe that the canadarm2 and Cygnus were installed on the ISS...
Got to be a water droplet on the window acting like a lens, reflecting something in the cabin.....right?.... ::)
Quote from: the seeker on February 21, 2017, 12:44:23 PM
According to google, april 2001 is the timeframe that the canadarm2 and Cygnus were installed on the ISS...
The mission that installed the Canadarm2 was the one that took the photo from the opening post, STS-100, so if they were approaching the ISS (like the caption for that photo says) the Canadarm2 wasn't installed yet.
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on February 21, 2017, 01:31:31 PM
Got to be a water droplet on the window acting like a lens, reflecting something in the cabin.....right?.... ::)
Wrong.
Quote from: the seeker on February 21, 2017, 12:44:23 PM
According to google, april 2001 is the timeframe that the canadarm2 and Cygnus were installed on the ISS...
Covert craft waiting to dock after the arm is installed? Seems unlikely though.
Hmmmm...
(https://cdn.tutsplus.com/photo/uploads/legacy/118_waterdroplets/9.jpg)
The above is kind of what ArMaP was going on about. If there is a droplet on glass and the glass is not perpendicular to the direction the camera points in then the water droplet can lens in something that is out of frame. Look how detailed the image in the droplet is.
I still don't know what it is but I definitely agree that the object is outside the shuttle. It doesn't look like a droplet to me but I don't discount the possibility. And yes, there are water droplets in space sometimes, especially near to burning hydrocarbons from spacecraft boosters.
Hydrocarbon combustion: CH
4 + 2O
2 --> CO
2 + 2H
2O
You can see droplets on the camera in some space videos and pictures. There is one in one of Lunacognita's videos I seem to remember.
Just explaining a few things as some of the comments about ArMaP's idea were a bit unfair. :P ::)
Don't think they were unfair at all. They are just opinions and everybody has one. We're all adults here.
Quote from: Mikesingh on February 21, 2017, 12:43:24 PM
That's possible, but then:
1. Why isn't it visible?
2. The shape is noting like any of the modules/supply ships/ATV etc.
In a lighter vein you mentioned it could be an alien cloaked ship! Well, check this out.....
(http://worldufophotosandnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/1-29-14-ALIEN-CRAFT-AND-I.S.S.-IN-ORBIT.jpg)
What the heck is this object docked with the ISS? :-\
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcZuw8n5h8s
And...
A video shot of the Soyuz about to dock with the ISS and an unusual object accompanying it in the distance....
(http://www.pravda-tv.ru/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/shokiruyushhie-kadry-nlo-171-chy-730x370.jpg)
What's going on?
Mike, don't have a clue what that is docked at the ISS; the 3rd pic you posted looks a lot like the pics of the Black Knight satellite (altho Jim Oberg swears it is an insulation blanket)
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/03files2/Black_Knight_Satellite.html (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/03files2/Black_Knight_Satellite.html)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Shuttle/STS088/70_01_A.png)
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9146.msg122447#msg122447 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9146.msg122447#msg122447)