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Title: Watch a Research Reactor Start Up, Run, and Shut Down
Post by: Irene on April 12, 2017, 06:37:22 PM
I'm fascinated by all things nuclear, but cognizant of the dangers. Nevertheless, I found this video really interesting. Blue is the color of death.

This is the Breazeale Research Reactor at Penn State. (9:26 min)

https://youtu.be/UxQdS0pbpKo
Title: Re: Watch a Research Reactor Start Up, Run, and Shut Down
Post by: Amaterasu on April 13, 2017, 04:00:17 AM
Interestingly...  Blue is also the color of "trustworthiness."  This is why all the "news" shows in the media use it in the background...
Title: Re: Watch a Research Reactor Start Up, Run, and Shut Down
Post by: Irene on April 13, 2017, 03:12:03 PM
Quote from: Amaterasu on April 13, 2017, 04:00:17 AM
Interestingly...  Blue is also the color of "trustworthiness."  This is why all the "news" shows in the media use it in the background...

That's a metaphysical belief versus reality, but okay.
Title: Re: Watch a Research Reactor Start Up, Run, and Shut Down
Post by: space otter on April 13, 2017, 03:25:24 PM
call it whatever you want but color has been used  to influence many things
from selling to mood altering....it has become a tool of those who know
wheather you like it or not and wheather you recognize it or not

imo a smart person is  cognizant of what influences are used to sway them and takes that into account in moving forward...instead of  a knee-jerk reaction


http://www.colour-affects.co.uk/psychological-properties-of-colours
Psychological Properties Of Colours

http://www.sunny-colours.com/eng/additional-information/the-meaning-and-impact-of-colours/influence-of-colours-to-feelings
Influence of colours to feelings - Influence of colours to feelings



http://psychdigest.com/colors-influence-mood/
Colors Influence Mood







had to fix the speeling of knee..bwhahahahahahahahah
Title: Re: Watch a Research Reactor Start Up, Run, and Shut Down
Post by: Irene on April 13, 2017, 05:30:11 PM
Quote from: space otter on April 13, 2017, 03:25:24 PM
call it whatever you want but color has been used  to influence many things
from selling to mood altering....it has become a tool of those who know
wheather you like it or not and wheather you recognize it or not

imo a smart person is  cognizant of what influences are used to sway them and takes that into account in moving forward...instead of  a knee-jerk reaction

http://www.colour-affects.co.uk/psychological-properties-of-colours (http://www.colour-affects.co.uk/psychological-properties-of-colours)
Psychological Properties Of Colours

http://www.sunny-colours.com/eng/additional-information/the-meaning-and-impact-of-colours/influence-of-colours-to-feelings (http://www.sunny-colours.com/eng/additional-information/the-meaning-and-impact-of-colours/influence-of-colours-to-feelings)
Influence of colours to feelings - Influence of colours to feelings

http://psychdigest.com/colors-influence-mood/ (http://psychdigest.com/colors-influence-mood/)
Colors Influence Mood

had to fix the speeling of knee..bwhahahahahahahahah

I've never seen blue as indicating trustworthiness. On the other hand, I look at this reactor and know getting close to it is certain death.

I was at a local sheriff's department decades ago and was conferring with a deputy in their booking room, which was painted fuschia because the sheriff had read that it was a calming color.

The deputy told me all it did was piss off the drunks, so I do agree with you to some extent, but I think fuschia would piss off anybody because an entire room in that color is too much stimulus.
Title: Re: Watch a Research Reactor Start Up, Run, and Shut Down
Post by: Sinny on April 13, 2017, 06:45:39 PM
Quote from: Irene on April 13, 2017, 03:12:03 PM
That's a metaphysical belief versus reality, but okay.

I just went and done my homework on what blue is associated with and I only found one reference with it relating to death -  in ancient Egypt or something, and a few south american/Korean cultures relating it to mourning. 

But I've found predominantly more  references to blue being associated with trustworthiness, which seems to be the dominantly held opinion in Colour Psychology and by marketing and behavioral specialists.

Quote
The Color Blue
The color blue is the color of trust and responsibility
http://www.empower-yourself-with-color-psychology.com/color-blue.html


Quote
BLUE. Intellectual.
Positive: Intelligence, communication, trust, efficiency, serenity, duty, logic, coolness, reflection, calm.
Negative: Coldness, aloofness, lack of emotion, unfriendliness.
http://www.colour-affects.co.uk/psychological-properties-of-colours

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Blue for trust, red for passion: how to pick a colour scheme for your brand
https://www.theguardian.com/small-business-network/2015/aug/24/how-pick-colour-scheme-for-brand

Quote
Blue
Serene, Trustworthy, Inviting
http://www.creativebloq.com/web-design/12-colours-and-emotions-they-evoke-61515112

Quote
WHY is my Master Mason's Lodge said to have a particular color of transcending importance?" "Why is that particular color said to be blue?"

Blue is the supreme color of Masonry. First, because it is that color which, among all those used in Masonry, is the unquestioned Masonic possession of every Mason. The Royal Arch Mason may attempt to appropriate to himself the red, the Perfect Master may feel himself the exclusive proprietor of the green and the black, and so on, but blue is acknowledged by every Mason to belong to us all and no Mason, whatever his degree, questions the Master Mason's ownership of blue. Second, blue is the supreme color because it has, coupled with its universality, a place in symbolism which, both as regards importance of lessons taught and as regards legitimacy as a symbol, is second to that of no Masonic color.

The use of blue in religious ceremonials, and as a symbol, comes to Masonry from many of the different peoples of antiquity. Among the Hebrews various articles of the high priest's clothing were blue. one of the veils of the tabernacle was blue. In his initiation into the Druidical Mysteries the candidate was invested with a robe one of whose colors was blue. The Babylonians clothed their idols in blue. The Hindoo god Vishnu was represented as blue. And among the medieval Christians blue was considered a peculiarly important color.

Blue was the symbol of perfection to the Hebrews, to the Druids the symbol of Truth, to the Chinese the symbol of Deity, and to the medieval Christians it was the symbol of immortality. So, for the Mason, the color of his Master Mason's lodge is the symbol of perfection, truth, immortality and Deity.

Finally and preeminently, and following the teachings and conceptions of the Egyptians aald the Hindoos, blue is the symbol of that which the Craftsman must, since he is a Mason, always revere and of that which his Master Mason's lodge must, when its work and its teachings are properly understood and accepted, cause him to Progressively revere the more Divine Wisdom.
http://www.masonicdictionary.com/colors.html

Case Studies:
https://www.uxpin.com/studio/ebooks/visual-web-ui-design-colors-space-contrast/


Quote from: Irene on April 13, 2017, 03:12:03 PM
That's a metaphysical belief versus reality, but okay.

Quote from: Irene on April 13, 2017, 05:30:11 PM
I've never seen blue as indicating trustworthiness. On the other hand, I look at this reactor and know getting close to it is certain death.

So what you meant to say was "That's a metaphysical belief versus my reality, but okay".
Title: Re: Watch a Research Reactor Start Up, Run, and Shut Down
Post by: Irene on April 13, 2017, 07:01:45 PM
Quote from: Sinny on April 13, 2017, 06:45:39 PM
I just went and done my homework on what blue is associated with and I only found one reference with it relating to death -  in ancient Egypt or something, and a few south american/Korean cultures relating it to mourning. 

But I've found predominantly more  references to blue being associated with trustworthiness, which seems to be the dominantly held opinion in Colour Psychology and by marketing and behavioral specialists.
http://www.empower-yourself-with-color-psychology.com/color-blue.html (http://www.empower-yourself-with-color-psychology.com/color-blue.html)

http://www.colour-affects.co.uk/psychological-properties-of-colours (http://www.colour-affects.co.uk/psychological-properties-of-colours)
https://www.theguardian.com/small-business-network/2015/aug/24/how-pick-colour-scheme-for-brand (https://www.theguardian.com/small-business-network/2015/aug/24/how-pick-colour-scheme-for-brand)
http://www.creativebloq.com/web-design/12-colours-and-emotions-they-evoke-61515112 (http://www.creativebloq.com/web-design/12-colours-and-emotions-they-evoke-61515112)
http://www.masonicdictionary.com/colors.html (http://www.masonicdictionary.com/colors.html)

Case Studies:
https://www.uxpin.com/studio/ebooks/visual-web-ui-design-colors-space-contrast/ (https://www.uxpin.com/studio/ebooks/visual-web-ui-design-colors-space-contrast/)


So what you meant to say was "That's a metaphysical belief versus my reality, but okay".

Have you looked at the video? The reactor glows neon blue. Do you doubt that standing next to it would kill you?
Title: Re: Watch a Research Reactor Start Up, Run, and Shut Down
Post by: space otter on April 13, 2017, 07:13:57 PM


QuoteHave you looked at the video? The reactor glows neon blue. Do you doubt that standing next to it would kill you?


the comments weren't about the reactor but about your comment that
QuoteBlue is the color of death.
Title: Re: Watch a Research Reactor Start Up, Run, and Shut Down
Post by: Irene on April 13, 2017, 07:51:19 PM
Quote from: space otter on April 13, 2017, 07:13:57 PM

the comments weren't about the reactor but about your comment that

Do you trust the reactor won't kill you? I mean we can play your game all day.

::)
Title: Re: Watch a Research Reactor Start Up, Run, and Shut Down
Post by: Sinny on April 13, 2017, 09:51:32 PM
Quote from: Irene on April 13, 2017, 07:51:19 PM
Do you trust the reactor won't kill you? I mean we can play your game all day.

::)

You are missing the point.

You implied that what Amy offered, about blue being trustworthy, was a 'metaphysical belief' as opposed to 'reality', which I presume you think your suggestion is? 
Whereas all the evidence seems to suggest just opposite.

The fact that the reactor is blue and will kill you is coincidental, the sea is blue, but it's full of life.
Title: Re: Watch a Research Reactor Start Up, Run, and Shut Down
Post by: space otter on April 13, 2017, 10:05:50 PM


Quote I mean we can play your game all day.



i don't play games.. except maybe pinochle

i was being specific
on one comment


not about things that are blue but specifically about  color and how some use it


so i repeat myself

Quotethe comments weren't about the reactor but about your comment that
Quote
Blue is the color of death.
Title: Re: Watch a Research Reactor Start Up, Run, and Shut Down
Post by: Irene on April 13, 2017, 10:09:22 PM
I would appreciate it if other members would stop derailing this thread.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Watch a Research Reactor Start Up, Run, and Shut Down
Post by: space otter on April 13, 2017, 10:38:25 PM


could you please explain how commenting on the op's statement derailing
Title: Re: Watch a Research Reactor Start Up, Run, and Shut Down
Post by: zorgon on April 13, 2017, 10:52:04 PM
Quote from: Irene on April 13, 2017, 07:01:45 PM
Have you looked at the video? The reactor glows neon blue. Do you doubt that standing next to it would kill you?

Electric blue/violet is the color of PLASMA

This will kill you too

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/68/98/17/689817b121914f47121a1700e9b5c2b5.jpg)

Blue light has a dark side
Exposure to blue light at night, emitted by electronics and energy-efficient lightbulbs, harmful to your health.


http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/blue-light-has-a-dark-side
Title: Re: Watch a Research Reactor Start Up, Run, and Shut Down
Post by: The Seeker on April 14, 2017, 01:24:47 AM
Sounds like everyone needs to do better homework; that blue glow that Irene committed on is called Cherenkov radiation; leave all the color associations and metaphysical aspects put away, for they do not apply to nuclear reactions; that pretty blue glow, if it wasn't shielded by the heavy water in the reactor vessel, would give you a lethal dose of radiation in seconds.

How many of you have ever physically been in a nuclear complex?


I have.Quite a few of them.

Seeker
Title: Re: Watch a Research Reactor Start Up, Run, and Shut Down
Post by: robomont on April 14, 2017, 01:44:26 AM
i did not know that about reactions and blue,now to research cherenkov more.
i do know blue is tight with uv and uv aint good except on the outside of my ufo.then its all good!
thankyou op,i dont watch vids but love synopsis.
so, whens the skunks gonna let us have our fusion tech?
im waiting?.......................
Title: Re: Watch a Research Reactor Start Up, Run, and Shut Down
Post by: ArMaP on April 14, 2017, 01:57:23 AM
Quote from: the seeker on April 14, 2017, 01:24:47 AM
that pretty blue glow, if it wasn't shielded by the heavy water in the reactor vessel, would give you a lethal dose of radiation inseconds.
Isn't the blue glow a result of the radiation?

If it is, then it's not the blue glow that kills you, the same thing that creates the blue glow kills you.
Title: Re: Watch a Research Reactor Start Up, Run, and Shut Down
Post by: The Seeker on April 14, 2017, 02:04:59 AM
Quote from: ArMaP on April 14, 2017, 01:57:23 AM
Isn't the blue glow a result of the radiation?

If it is, then it's not the blue glow that kills you, the same thing that creates the blue glow kills you.
Yes, it is the source that kills you; but if you see that blue glow unshielded, it doesn't matter either way; you are dead.
Title: Re: Watch a Research Reactor Start Up, Run, and Shut Down
Post by: robomont on April 14, 2017, 02:06:10 AM
blue comes from ionized hydrogen,correct?
Title: Re: Watch a Research Reactor Start Up, Run, and Shut Down
Post by: Irene on April 14, 2017, 02:21:21 AM
When I watched that movie, "K-19: The Widowmaker", I thought the color and glow of the irradiated water was fake.

I got a real education on that from this video. It's very eerie.
Title: Re: Watch a Research Reactor Start Up, Run, and Shut Down
Post by: A51Watcher on April 14, 2017, 03:14:22 AM
Quote from: robomont on April 14, 2017, 02:06:10 AM
blue comes from ionized hydrogen,correct?

Blue is Oxygen

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10145.msg134172#msg134172 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10145.msg134172#msg134172)

Title: Re: Watch a Research Reactor Start Up, Run, and Shut Down
Post by: ArMaP on April 14, 2017, 11:04:46 AM
Quote from: robomont on April 14, 2017, 02:06:10 AM
blue comes from ionized hydrogen,correct?
Not really, Cherenkov radiation is not simple ionization.

I know that some people don't like Wikipedia, but here's an explanation from there (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation). :)

QuoteCherenkov radiation results when a charged particle, most commonly an electron, travels through a dielectric (electrically polarizable) medium with a speed greater than that at which light propagates in the same medium.

Moreover, the velocity that must be exceeded is the phase velocity of light rather than the group velocity of light. The phase velocity can be altered dramatically by employing a periodic medium, and in that case one can even achieve Cherenkov radiation with no minimum particle velocity, a phenomenon known as the Smith-Purcell effect. In a more complex periodic medium, such as a photonic crystal, one can also obtain a variety of other anomalous Cherenkov effects, such as radiation in a backwards direction (whereas ordinary Cherenkov radiation forms an acute angle with the particle velocity).[3]


The geometry of the Cherenkov radiation (shown for the ideal case of no dispersion).
As a charged particle travels, it disrupts the local electromagnetic field in its medium. In particular, the medium becomes electrically polarized by the particle's electric field. If the particle travels slowly then the disturbance elastically relaxes back to mechanical equilibrium as the particle passes. When the particle is traveling fast enough, however, the limited response speed of the medium means that a disturbance is left in the wake of the particle, and the energy contained in this disturbance radiates as a coherent shockwave.

A common analogy is the sonic boom of a supersonic aircraft or bullet. The sound waves generated by the supersonic body propagate at the speed of sound itself; as such, the waves travel slower than the speeding object and cannot propagate forward from the body, instead forming a shock front. In a similar way, a charged particle can generate a light shock wave as it travels through an insulator.
Title: Re: Watch a Research Reactor Start Up, Run, and Shut Down
Post by: Amaterasu on April 14, 2017, 04:27:35 PM
Quote from: Irene on April 13, 2017, 03:12:03 PM
That's a metaphysical belief versus reality, but okay.

It's a psychology assessment more than metaphysical.  Again, that is why all the "news" outlets use blue.