http://www.google.com/patents/US20060145019
Going to bump this so it doesn't get lost...
Interesting - - - a Patent for a triangular aircraft??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLVRXIR3oj8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLVRXIR3oj8)
very cool, have you seen this yet?
https://www.google.com/patents/US20030209637?dq=ininventor%3A%22John+St.+Clair%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwig04SQ3fLTAhWEwlQKHTwcAKQQ6AEIWDAH&pageId=107422565180807765757
QuoteThe thrusters are augmented by magnetic vortex generators either embedded in the cylinders or located above each thruster for the purpose of creating permeability of space by permitting each thruster with a low density hyperspace energy generated by a wormhole created between our space and hyperspace.
(https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/US20030209637A1/US20030209637A1-20031113-D00000.png)
Interesting that this patent appears shortly after Ed Fouche passed away
Most curious
Quote from: zorgon on May 19, 2017, 11:14:11 AM
Interesting that this patent appears shortly after Ed Fouche passed away
According to this (https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/18176421/#q18176698), it was already known on September 2016.
Ed Fouche passed away, when? I was getting emails from him as of a month ago.
Quote from: spacemaverick on May 19, 2017, 06:24:13 PM
Ed Fouche passed away, when? I was getting emails from him as of a month ago.
Ed Fouche died sometime during the night May 10th/11th (last week). I saw an announcement of his passing in an OP at the Outpost Forum. Last time I looked, there was still nothing on the internet about this, except for a couple of Outpost Fourm posts - was mentioned that the family was not making any public announcement.
Thanks, I performed an obituary search for the county he lived in, and nothing was posted. Wow....
Dan Benkert (ShotintheDark, BigPappy) told me on Facebook He is talking with Ed's wife they are not wanting public involvement at this point
Re the patent It looks like a totally fake patent to me The images are not standard patent qaulity..
So this patent gets posted on FB the day AFTER Ed passes (Ed was just about to go on Steven Greer's disclosure project) So this patent was posted to Mike McCandlish's FB page and then I hear that MOFON is doing a Secret Space Program symosium in Las Vegas end of July and Gary McKinnon is a guess speaker? I thought he was still fighting extradition for hacking crimes?
WTF is going on here?
Either Donald trump did release secret patents, this is a fake patent planted or we really are not in the right time line anymore
Either way this is just weird
Here is the link to the MUFON symposium in Las Vegas I can't afford this LOL $350.00 a head
https://www.mufonsymposium.com/
Be it fake, diversion or true, the news of the patent for the TR3-B is running through the Internet like wildfire. Do a Google Search and everybody has something up about it. HMMmmmm...(scratching head)...I wonder...
Quote from: zorgon on May 19, 2017, 10:50:47 PM
Either Donald trump did release secret patents, this is a fake patent planted or we really are not in the right time line anymore
Was Donald Trump in a position to release secret patents on September 2016?
Quote from: ArMaP on May 19, 2017, 11:52:44 PM
Was Donald Trump in a position to release secret patents on September 2016?
Not that I am aware of The 'report' that Donald was going to release more secret patents came from Dr Michael Salla and I have not followed up on it. Right now the Democrats are busy trying to pin Trump with Russian conspiracy and leaking secrets.
It's quite a circus I just do not understand why the Democrats are so anxious to push us to war with Russia... fortunately Vladimir Putin is a level headed cool thinker and is not easily goaded by this crap He has no more desire to go to WWIII than we do...
These whining democrats need to spend a few weeks at Gitmo :P And I used to be Liberal all my life
Secret Presidential Memorandum issued to Declassify Anti-aging & Free Energy Technologies
http://exopolitics.org/secret-presidential-memo-anti-aging-free-energy/
What Trump Means for the U.S. Patent System
http://fortune.com/2017/01/24/trump-patents/
USPTO Breaks President Trump's "One-In Two-Out" Executive Order
http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2017/03/08/uspto-breaks-president-trump-one-in-two-out-executive-order/id=79270/
So at the VERY LEAST... WE need to start watching the patent office
Quote from: zorgon on May 19, 2017, 10:50:47 PM
Dan Benkert (ShotintheDark, BigPappy) told me on Facebook He is talking with Ed's wife they are not wanting public involvement at this point
Re the patent It looks like a totally fake patent to me The images are not standard patent qaulity..
So this patent gets posted on FB the day AFTER Ed passes (Ed was just about to go on Steven Greer's disclosure project) So this patent was posted to Mike McCandlish's FB page and then I hear that MOFON is doing a Secret Space Program symosium in Las Vegas end of July and Gary McKinnon is a guess speaker? I thought he was still fighting extradition for hacking crimes?
WTF is going on here?
Either Donald trump did release secret patents, this is a fake patent planted or we really are not in the right time line anymore
Either way this is just weird
Here is the link to the MUFON symposium in Las Vegas I can't afford this LOL $350.00 a head
https://www.mufonsymposium.com/ (https://www.mufonsymposium.com/)
Regarding the MUFON shindig, WTH is an "experiencer"?
I went to Vegas once. Hated it. The best part of the trip was Hoover Dam.
Okay, disregard. It's a stupid made-up word for "contactee", invented by people who aren't.
Here is a thread I posted about Potus Trump wanting to release those patents, from Micheal Salla, copied under his terms
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10309.msg136161#msg136161 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10309.msg136161#msg136161)
when trump first got into office,somebody came on glp and asked about turning the b2 into airforce one.i said too small,you want the tr3 b.
then this comes out.my guess is astra is gonna be the new af one.hehe,your welcome trump.
Quote from: Irene on May 20, 2017, 12:35:49 AM
Regarding the MUFON shindig, WTH is an "experiencer"?
Okay, disregard. It's a stupid made-up word for "contactee", invented by people who aren't.
Yes LOL An "experiencer" is a wannabe and in the same category as "star seed" "star child" and "indigo child"
But THOSE are the people that pay out gazillions of dollars to the charlatans who pray on them
::)
In the gem and mineral trade we have them too We call them "Healy Feelies" They will run their hands through a bin of tumbles stone (rocks not crystals) and tell you the "Feel the vibrations and the spiritual energy"
They also pay 30.00 for a small crystal of "Aqua Aura Angel Quartz" which is a titanium anodized cheap 1.00 quartz crystal
::)
Problem is when you are honest and tell them, they pounce on you like your a pariah :P They don't WANT the truth
So..... I bought some nice ones from China :P and well offer them on Etsy
:D
Quote from: spacemaverick on May 19, 2017, 10:57:32 PM
Be it fake, diversion or true, the news of the patent for the TR3-B is running through the Internet like wildfire. Do a Google Search and everybody has something up about it. HMMmmmm...(scratching head)...I wonder...
Oh I agree I posted it too on Facebook :P But to me it does matter whether it is fake or not because a) the TIMING of this appearing, B) the obvious fake not workable design in the sketches and C0 the way it was just released in timing with the Dr Salla et all Secret Space Program Mufon thing
Dr Salla originally copied my entire Naval Space Command thread from ATS (with a small line of credit at the bottom) I need to find that old link :D
It seems others have the gift to make money off my work :P Oh well C'est la Vie
Quote from: zorgon on May 20, 2017, 05:52:40 AM
Oh I agree I posted it too on Facebook :P But to me it does matter whether it is fake or not because a) the TIMING of this appearing, B) the obvious fake not workable design in the sketches and C0 the way it was just released in timing with the Dr Salla et all Secret Space Program Mufon thing
Dr Salla originally copied my entire Naval Space Command thread from ATS (with a small line of credit at the bottom) I need to find that old link :D
It seems others have the gift to make money off my work :P Oh well C'est la Vie
Z, according to the info at that link Armap posted, it was out there in March of 2016; but is it fake news just to get everyone diverted away from other issues(like the election at the time) and it is just now showing up, or what?
Seeker
Quote from: The Seeker on May 20, 2017, 11:29:58 AM
Z, according to the info at that link Armap posted, it was out there in March of 2016; but is it fake news just to get everyone diverted away from other issues(like the election at the time) and it is just now showing up, or what?
That's what I find strange, why is this being presented as new when it's from last year.
i never got notice about it,which makes me think its been sitting on trumps desk when it was olbummers.he was saving it for hillary to release because the af is desparate to get astra as af 1.that was the hint she insinuated.imho the gray is now white,the usa has ufos.no doubt.but of course us guys and gals on pegasus already knew it.robo dance!!!
two out?
only thing left is energy.please let it be fusion!
bet it was the squid though.thats hitting 70years now.thats two.
until proven otherwise,i believe pegasus hacked fusion and we have the thread to prove it.
imho.
Quote from: The Seeker on May 20, 2017, 11:29:58 AM
Z, according to the info at that link Armap posted, it was out there in March of 2016; but is it fake news just to get everyone diverted away from other issues(like the election at the time) and it is just now showing up, or what?
QuoteThat's what I find strange, why is this being presented as new when it's from last year.
Well the PATENT is not fake news as it really is filed at the patent office I use the European patent office as it has more patents and easy to get full copies in PDF. The patent is dated 2006 but I never saw it there so either it was 'classified' and just released or it was planted
Quote from: ArMaP on May 19, 2017, 02:00:21 PM
According to this (https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/18176421/#q18176698), it was already known on September 2016.
How odd indeed I see the link to the patent there but they are not discussing the Triangle Saucer but talking mind control It seems the patent was just inserted there and no one paid attention... very very odd
Quote from: zorgon on May 21, 2017, 10:38:53 AM
Well the PATENT is not fake news as it really is filed at the patent office I use the European patent office as it has more patents and easy to get full copies in PDF. The patent is dated 2006 but I never saw it there so either it was 'classified' and just released or it was planted
What does Dr. Joe have to say about it? Anyone asked him yet? 8)
read and interpret carefully folks, this is a patent for a "lifter" with a bit of modifications added to corn fuse the reader...
Cheers!
Le
Quote from: zorgon on May 21, 2017, 10:44:06 AM
How odd indeed I see the link to the patent there but they are not discussing the Triangle Saucer but talking mind control It seems the patent was just inserted there and no one paid attention... very very odd
Isnt this another Mandela effect? Where we all just sit back and say.."gorsh, I missed this, musta been there all along!"
Dimensional overlaps abound....making new colors for our reality.
Cheers!
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on May 21, 2017, 02:47:17 PM
read and interpret carefully folks, this is a patent for a "lifter" with a bit of modifications added to corn fuse the reader...
Cheers!
Le
Have you read the notes on the Tesla flying Saucer, e? Very interesting reading...
8)
Seeker
Quote from: The Seeker on May 21, 2017, 10:11:13 PM
Have you read the notes on the Tesla flying Saucer, e? Very interesting reading...
8)
Seeker
Yes, it has the sphere in the center also.
And, although simple, the lifter is the closest thing Ive seen to this "patent", sooo...maybe some form of hybrid between a lifter and a saucer?
At any rate a device which makes use of manipulation of plasma fields and charge migration through the atmosphere, possibly even along with some sort of capacitive thrust.
To me it is almost too good to be true, and the math makes zero sense to me at all, so I cant begin to even consider whats right and wrong there.
We shall see..maybe its why Trump spoke so powerfully to the Arabs..he has a nice lil super weapon up his sleeve perhaps? :D
Cheers!
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on May 21, 2017, 10:26:23 PM
Yes, it has the sphere in the center also.
And, although simple, the lifter is the closest thing Ive seen to this "patent", sooo...maybe some form of hybrid between a lifter and a saucer?
At any rate a device which makes use of manipulation of plasma fields and charge migration through the atmosphere, possibly even along with some sort of capacitive thrust.
To me it is almost too good to be true, and the math makes zero sense to me at all, so I cant begin to even consider whats right and wrong there.
We shall see..maybe its why Trump spoke so powerfully to the Arabs..he has a nice lil super weapon up his sleeve perhaps? :D
Cheers!
Le
I am going to put this out there to ponder; the B2 uses TT Browns flame jet generators which is basically an ionic lifter concept, and reportedly can fly forever...
if I understand the statements in this patent, same concept except in two planes(directions)vs one for the B2...
I am just waiting to see if anything else emerges from the shadows about this...
8)
Seeker
wow seeker,you just really impressed me.i doubted very many folks would catch that about b2.
on the mandela thing.this is like the third time ive seen this date dicrepency in released patents.it seems to be a common thing.so dont say how did i miss this?
they are playing some kinda maybe will release this soon game.
yes its just a lifter and me and le have had discussions about the lifters.as ive mentioned before,this is half the equation.but for horizontal movement,that may be all thats needed.since theres not any real gravitational pull in the horizontal plane,just the vertical.
Quote from: The Seeker on May 21, 2017, 10:56:50 PM
I am just waiting to see if anything else emerges from the shadows about this...
This is really ODD for years everyone was talking about the TR3B.... now the supposed patent is out in public and no one bites?
Very odd indeed
Quote from: zorgon on May 22, 2017, 01:07:39 AM
This is really ODD for years everyone was talking about the TR3B.... now the supposed patent is out in public and no one bites?
Very odd indeed
Considering all the hell raised by the skeptics and the debunkers over every picture or vid either being fake or cgi, I do wonder if a number of them are sitting back waiting to see if this bubble floats or pops...
They can come by and let me borrow one for a few days to evaluate it and take it for an extended test flight 8)
Seeker
That B-2 was also suggested somewhere to have electrogravitic wing edges..I dont recall who suggested it though...8)
I believe for any horizontal propulsion the EG wing edges would allow for the plane to fly nearly silently, in very low density atmosphere for periods of time unknown, but would be basically useless for climbing, or maneuvers requiring velocity to be shed then regained quickly in turns and such.
I do remember discussing the FJG with Andrew from Linda browns forum, (he was an admin for the original TT Brown website in some way)and we were going to try to build one, or at least hash out the shape of the plates involved, and how to cut the shapes needed to make it work right.
What I understood about the FJG though, was it was a generator of electrical current, using a gas flame, which would create a charge in metal plates of graduating size as the flame burned in the center of the stack, and output would be controlled simply by increasing or reducing the size and pressure of the flame itself. Im not sure how it would propel anything, but I can imagine it would have been used to make enough high current HV to charge EG wing edges to make them able to be useful in a propulsion format, whereas batteries or auxiliary generators of the time were too weak or heavy to employ in an aircraft such as the B-2.
And, if this were the case, the sound of the FJG would be hard to miss for ground troops even if it was at high altitude, unless of course the FJG was encased in some sort of soundproofed compartment...
Andrew pointed out that the FJG was a hellishly loud thing to hear, so Im not sure how it would fit onto a bomber which was more or less designed to be fairly stealthy..maybe a getaway system or a primarily super high altitude method of propulsion?
Id have to say, between Brown and Tesla, and some others in the shadows, somewhere, someone knows how to put together the perfect craft, capable of operating in atmospheric conditions, OR near vacuum of space, and that necessity leads me to feel any such craft will employ multiple propulsion systems, with very different forms of thrust and or pressure manipulation.
In all, I think the gold ring of spacecraft propulsion and power will be found to be almost silent, maybe even able to negate sound through it's operation, and that right now, ideas and theories regarding alien spacecraft propulsion are in the hamfisted "explosive" stage, waiting to move forward into the "non-explosive" stage, where high technology will provide a quiet, powerful answer, and show us once and for all how aliens(or humans) have been able to visit or travel in our atmosphere almost undetected but for visible sightings.
Implosion technology holds the secrets to understanding the behaviors of water, and so much more, right Robo? Soon the ideas and thoughts of Viktor Schauberger will rise in the mind of a new scientist, and likely surprise all those watching with such a simple methodology that we will wonder how it escaped our grasp for so long.
Of course, I could be completely wrong, but hey, a guy can dream, right?
Cheers!
Le
i believe the correct engine is located under mhd engine images goo.the french one.looks like a squished box.odds are it has turbofans for initial thrust then at real high altitude and thin air,kicks in the fjg.at high very high altitude/low orbit i believe it uses solar.the wings are so big on those things,there could be a couple of homeless families in there too.lol.
the engines are the woo but the wings make the whole thing work successfully.its more about landing than taking off.theyve been able to fly ufos for years but if you have catastrofic failure a saucer drops like a rock.a bomber with big wings can glide in even from high altitude.without raining charcoal and bits of carbon fiber as it comes in.no more shuttle tiles landing in texas.this is why i believe the rocket program is only needed for big objects.its should be known that between the bomb bay and cockpit there seems to be a strange object that looks like a high voltage generator as i saw it in a vid one time.or a flux capacitor,i dont remember which.
I did have access to an electrical systems engineer that worked on the B2 8) The entire leading edge of the wing is positively charged at EHV, the exhaust stream is negatively charged; the FJG units are switched on once the craft reaches cruising altitude and speed, main engines being shut down
these FJG units are modified from the original concept, working more off ram jet principles than flame,leading to a very quiet and low key noise signature...
Edited to add: somewhere on the site we have pictures of a B2 with a trans-sonic cloud; considering that the B2 is supposed to be incapable of acheiving the sound barrier...
8)
Seeker
well that square squished box french design looks like a ram jet engine,has no moving parts.so i believe seeker is correct.
Quote from: The Seeker on May 22, 2017, 03:49:05 PM
Edited to add: somewhere on the site we have pictures of a B2 with a trans-sonic cloud; considering that the B2 is supposed to be incapable of acheiving the sound barrier...
These?
(http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/pics/b2nomhd01.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/switchbladengc/Mil/b2.jpg)
A transonic cloud is exactly that, transonic, it's not ultrasonic, it appears around Mach 0.8.
Quote from: zorgon on May 22, 2017, 01:07:39 AM
This is really ODD for years everyone was talking about the TR3B.... now the supposed patent is out in public and no one bites?
Very odd indeed
Below is a quote from Chris Mellon after he joined the board of UFODATA:
QuoteA: I find it hard to imagine something as explosive as recovered alien technology remaining under wraps for decades. So while I have no reason to believe there is any recovered alien technology, I will say this: If it were me, and I were trying to bury it deep, I'd take it outside government oversight entirely and place it in a compartment as a new entity within an existing defense company and manage it as what we call an "IRAD" or "Independent Research and Development Activity."
the thread is here (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9356.msg123920#msg123920)
which helps me understand how government entities can disavow any knowledge of projects such as the TR3B and be so hidden away from any governmental involvement or oversight...
@Robo: we do know the B2 systems work very well with mid 1980's technology, the most of which is still classified; also considering that some of the patents cited in your OP link date back to 1972, it doesn't surprise me that some of those 5,000 known classified patents could have earth shattering info...
But like Herr Zorgon, where is the main line scientific hue and cry over this? And it would be interesting to see what Jimmy Oberg has to pontificate about this...
Seeker
Quote from: ArMaP on May 22, 2017, 09:15:58 PM
These?
(http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/pics/b2nomhd01.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/switchbladengc/Mil/b2.jpg)
A transonic cloud is exactly that, transonic, it's not ultrasonic, it appears around Mach 0.8.
Thanks, Armap, those are the ones I was looking for 8) at Mach0.8 (609 MPH) sounds right, considering the B2 is supposed to be incapable of achieving those speeds
8)
edit to add: I just checked my data again, and now it states the top speed of the B2 is 628mph? WTF? :o
Seeker
maybe transonic with the ionizer off.after on.im not willing to speculate unles the wing tips arent covered by the sheath of plasma.the goo images just show the main fusalage being covered.for safety reasons too.if ionization stopped above sonic.the wings may hinge back and plane fold up into pieces.
https://sites.google.com/site/nazibelluncovered/
since a tr3b is not really a tr until it has the vortex generator.i thought,hey maybe they backdated and released it.
well cant find it but i got close.things my caduceus and this bell have in common.magnetic field,mercury plasma,ceramic.
the fbi is gonna have a field day with my search history,theres even refences to how to make a german nuke!
have fun guys.lol!
John St.Clair
Hyperspace Research Institute
52 Kings Court, 4A
San Juan, PR 00911
Teleportation Device:
http://beforeitsnews.com/beyond-science/2015/05/patent-application-for-teleportation-device-ala-star-trek-2449132.html
Rotating electrostatic propulsion system
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2003/0209637.html
I suppose this is a stupid question, but what have they been flying to Mars with.
holy shut on a stick!
i was living there in that exact time frame!
no joke!
ponce then san juan,nine months!
thats why i have a fondness for pr!
my dad had a job there.just for that short time frame.wow.thats two days in a row ive had something throw me.
my bad,i thought of this and got mixed up
http://www.google.com/patents/US3675879