NASA Says: We don't know.... Mar's Anomaly
What's happened in Hebes Chasma on Mars? Hebes Chasma is a depression just north of the enormous Valles Marineris canyon. Since the depression is unconnected to other surface features, it is unclear where the internal material went. Inside Hebes Chasma is Hebes Mensa, a 5 kilometer high mesa that appears to have undergone an unusual partial collapse -- a collapse that might be providing clues. The above image, taken by the robotic Mars Express spacecraft currently orbiting Mars, shows great details of the chasm and the unusual horseshoe shaped indentation in the central mesa. Material from the mesa appears to have flowed onto the floor of the chasm, while a possible dark layer appears to have pooled like ink on a downslope landing. A recent hypothesis holds that salty rock composes some lower layers in Hebes Chasma, with the salt dissolving in melted ice flows that drained through holes into an underground aquifer.
(https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1408/HebesChasma_esa_960.jpg)
https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140812.html
http://www.esa.int/spaceinimages/Images/2013/10/Hebes_Chasma_landslides
Another angle....
(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/Hebes_Chasma_landslides_node_full_image_2_zpsyhmtp4oq.jpg) (http://s562.photobucket.com/user/Micjer_2009/media/Hebes_Chasma_landslides_node_full_image_2_zpsyhmtp4oq.jpg.html)
The landslide went up the mountain beside it!
That black flow however is interesting..
Oil mayhaps? We know there is a lot of methane on Mars and oil is not necessarily fossil fuel
There was this one from years ago
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars4/Gullies/Dam01a.png)
(http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/e7_e12_captioned_rel/39S_166W_50.jpg)
http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/e7_e12_captioned_rel/39S_166W_50.jpg
Looks more like an open pit strip mine than anything; but until we get boots on the ground, who knows?
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/tBLxa5PbAj9J.jpg)
Zorgon:
What is the scientific name given to that 'natural' wall holding back 'the water'? ;)
Thanking you in advance.
A retaining wall. Never a Straight Answer wouldn't tell us anything anyhoo.
Looks like a sea wall, dike, dam, or retention wall...
Quote from: micjer on June 24, 2017, 02:18:01 PM
The landslide went up the mountain beside it!
I don't think so, it looks like two landslides, one from each side.
Quote from: zorgon on June 25, 2017, 09:31:16 PM
There was this one from years ago
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars4/Gullies/Dam01a.png)
For those that do not know it, this is in a completely different place, far away from Hebes Chasma.
QuoteI don't think so, it looks like two landslides, one from each side.
Thank you ArMaP.
So, two landslides, each falling on opposite sides of a 'natural wall'?
Might you have a similar photo to back up that spurious allegation?
And it sure looks like a 'water line' in that 'pond.'
And why the different texture? Sure looks flat behind the wall in question.
BTW, the world awaits your corroborative video of 'rotating black dots' in the center of the 'sun' from a previous ArMaP declaration. :P
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Quote from: ArMaP on June 25, 2017, 10:16:21 PM
I don't think so, it looks like two landslides, one from each side.
Doesn't look that way to me! On what we might call the upper side of the "wall" feature, the ground surface is obviously different when compared to all of the others areas in this photo. It is almost anomalous-looking in comparison, because the ground appears to be so smooth.
Also, directly across from the "wall", there is a continuous "straight-line feature" formation that seems a bit odd in this area of almost "no straight lines!! If this is slide, why this straight-line feature at just the edge of the beginning of this smooth surface??
I do wonder just how tall this "wall" might be - tall enough to be a place for collecting water runoff for someone's benefit??
Probably is an act(s) of Mars nature, but looks a little odd in the photo.
Quote from: thorfourwinds on June 25, 2017, 11:03:26 PM
Thank you ArMaP.
No need to thank me, I wasn't answering your post.
QuoteSo, two landslides, each falling on opposite sides of a 'natural wall'?
What wall are you talking about? Could you point it in the image, so I can know exactly what you mean?
QuoteMight you have a similar photo to back up that spurious allegation?
No. Do you have photos to back up all your opinions?
QuoteAnd it sure looks like a 'water line' in that 'pond.'
What "pond"? In which photo? Could you be more specific?
QuoteAnd why the different texture? Sure looks flat behind the wall in question.
Same thing, could you be more specific? I don't want to waste time looking at the wrong photo.
QuoteBTW, the world awaits your corroborative video of 'rotating black dots' in the center of the 'sun' from a previous ArMaP declaration. :P
I didn't forget that you want me to find one. If I find one I will post it, but I have more important things to do.
QuoteThank you for your time and consideration.
Don't mention it.
Quote from: rdunk on June 26, 2017, 12:23:36 AM
Doesn't look that way to me! On what we might call the upper side of the "wall" feature, the ground surface is obviously different when compared to all of the others areas in this photo. It is almost anomalous-looking in comparison, because the ground appears to be so smooth.
What photo are you talking about?
Quote from: ArMaP on June 26, 2017, 12:49:47 AM
What photo are you talking about?
I am talking about the same photo Thor is talking about in reply #4 - which is what I thought you were talking about since you quoted same photo in your #8 reply!! "YAWN"! ???
Quote from: rdunk on June 26, 2017, 07:14:34 AM
I am talking about the same photo Thor is talking about in reply #4 - which is what I thought you were talking about since you quoted same photo in your #8 reply!! "YAWN"! ???
Yes, I quoted that image in reply #8, but both you and
Thor quoted reply #7, a post in which I was talking about the image posted by
micjer, a different view of the image in the opening post, this one:
(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/Hebes_Chasma_landslides_node_full_image_2_zpsyhmtp4oq.jpg) (http://s562.photobucket.com/user/Micjer_2009/media/Hebes_Chasma_landslides_node_full_image_2_zpsyhmtp4oq.jpg.html)
I do agree that it looks like both sides have collapsed. Makes you wonder what has happened to create a landslide from each direction.
Meteor strike, sinkhole.....? Odd
Quote from: rdunk on June 26, 2017, 12:23:36 AM
Doesn't look that way to me! On what we might call the upper side of the "wall" feature, the ground surface is obviously different when compared to all of the others areas in this photo. It is almost anomalous-looking in comparison, because the ground appears to be so smooth.
Also, directly across from the "wall", there is a continuous "straight-line feature" formation that seems a bit odd in this area of almost "no straight lines!! If this is slide, why this straight-line feature at just the edge of the beginning of this smooth surface??
I do wonder just how tall this "wall" might be - tall enough to be a place for collecting water runoff for someone's benefit??
Probably is an act(s) of Mars nature, but looks a little odd in the photo.
This is the pic and area to which I am referring! :)
(https://s29.postimg.org/h2h6rj9mv/Screen_Shot_2017-06-26_at_11.40.06_AM.jpg)
Quote from: rdunk on June 26, 2017, 05:46:27 PM
This is the pic and area to which I am referring! :)
(https://s29.postimg.org/h2h6rj9mv/Screen_Shot_2017-06-26_at_11.40.06_AM.jpg)
OK, I'll have to look for that one. :)
After a long search I was finally able to find that photo, it's photo E1104033 (http://viewer.mars.asu.edu/planetview/inst/moc/E1104033#P=E1104033&T=2).
Knowing the exact place I looked for other photos, and judging by photo D08_030443_1409_XN_39S166W (http://viewer.mars.asu.edu/planetview/inst/ctx/D08_030443_1409_XN_39S166W#P=D08_030443_1409_XN_39S166W&T=2) it looks like the bottom of a landslide. The straight line is unusual.
I also found a higher resolution photo from HiRISE, and in this it looks like the "wall" is a dune.
ESP_020685_1410 (http://viewer.mars.asu.edu/planetview/inst/hirise/ESP_020685_1410_COLOR#P=ESP_020685_1410_COLOR&T=2)
Reminds me of that film long ago called Dune.