time shifts...have you had one ? ! ?
consider these factors
a fall followed by dizziness or just an episode of vertigo
not just this last year but anytime in the last 5 - to - 10 years
but please add what year if you can
a strong feeling about 2012 and the world ending then
*people * things * events * out of your normal perspective that made you go HUH ??
you don't have to share
but think about it and share if you are able
maybe together we can figure out the why and the what for of this stuff
maybe pm's or even a private exchange if needed to make you feel safer
add your clue cause feedback is much needed..
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I'm not entirely sure this is the right thread for this but I will put an experience in that may link to my father's experience to my own as I think all these oddity's link up in some mad and odd way :D
When I was quite young I awoke to a dream which told me when the first Iraq War would be over with a Date. I went and told my Mum about this and I was right within a couple of days. In this experience, I saw the date as a large Calendar Date much like what mobile phones now display.
I know that is a story that cannot be verified, but it was real to me and that experience has always made me wonder what time is as I was shown when some event was to de-escalate.
Around the same time I was also experiencing a lot of sleep paralysis ( I still do from time to time ). I recall one time waking up pinned to my bed unable to move with some sound that sounded like it was pole driving into the house towards me. Nothing happened to me other than the fact I could not get Back to Sleep that night and I still recall it over 30 years later here to you guy's as a profound moment of the spooky.
My Father has a story which he does not like to talk about where he thought the house was being ripped apart in the middle of the night by a wild animal which only he heard... it spooks him to this day when I bring it up too. :-\
I think this is largely an unanswerable question as to how timelines change or people's perception of them differ. Why did I see a date about the gulf war a few weeks before it was officially called off??? Whats going on with time with that one with a kid who is not even ten years old.
Who is playing the fiddle! and why is time so fickle :D
For me, everything went berserk in 2008. I can nail down the day, but no one will believe me.
Quote from: Irene on September 05, 2017, 11:31:36 PM
For me, everything went berserk in 2008. I can nail down the day, but no one will believe me.
Please do, I'm gathering all the data I can. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on September 06, 2017, 01:08:22 AM
Please do, I'm gathering all the data I can. :)
The night of November 4, 2008, around 2230 hours CST.
perhaps we are in and out of these?....hummmmmmmmmmmm
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sunearth/news/mag-portals.html
July 2, 2012
Hidden Portals in Earth's Magnetic Field
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaB4cSPWBN0
A NASA-sponsored researcher at the University of Iowa has developed a way for spacecraft to hunt down hidden magnetic portals in the vicinity of Earth. These gateways link the magnetic field of our planet to that of the sun, setting the stage for stormy space weather.
Credits: Science@NASA
A favorite theme of science fiction is "the portal"--an extraordinary opening in space or time that connects travelers to distant realms. A good portal is a shortcut, a guide, a door into the unknown. If only they actually existed....
It turns out that they do, sort of, and a NASA-funded researcher at the University of Iowa has figured out how to find them.
"We call them X-points or electron diffusion regions," explains plasma physicist Jack Scudder of the University of Iowa. "They're places where the magnetic field of Earth connects to the magnetic field of the Sun, creating an uninterrupted path leading from our own planet to the sun's atmosphere 93 million miles away."
Observations by NASA's THEMIS spacecraft and Europe's Cluster probes suggest that these magnetic portals open and close dozens of times each day. They're typically located a few tens of thousands of kilometers from Earth where the geomagnetic field meets the onrushing solar wind. Most portals are small and short-lived; others are yawning, vast, and sustained. Tons of energetic particles can flow through the openings, heating Earth's upper atmosphere, sparking geomagnetic storms, and igniting bright polar auroras.
NASA is planning a mission called "MMS," short for Magnetospheric Multiscale Mission, due to launch in 2014, to study the phenomenon. Bristling with energetic particle detectors and magnetic sensors, the four spacecraft of MMS will spread out in Earth's magnetosphere and surround the portals to observe how they work.
Just one problem: Finding them. Magnetic portals are invisible, unstable, and elusive. They open and close without warning "and there are no signposts to guide us in," notes Scudder.
Actually, there are signposts, and Scudder has found them.
Portals form via the process of magnetic reconnection. Mingling lines of magnetic force from the sun and Earth criss-cross and join to create the openings. "X-points" are where the criss-cross takes place. The sudden joining of magnetic fields can propel jets of charged particles from the X-point, creating an "electron diffusion region."
To learn how to pinpoint these events, Scudder looked at data from a space probe that orbited Earth more than 10 years ago.
"In the late 1990s, NASA's Polar spacecraft spent years in Earth's magnetosphere," explains Scudder, "and it encountered many X-points during its mission."
Because Polar carried sensors similar to those of MMS, Scudder decided to see how an X-point looked to Polar. "Using Polar data, we have found five simple combinations of magnetic field and energetic particle measurements that tell us when we've come across an X-point or an electron diffusion region. A single spacecraft, properly instrumented, can make these measurements."
This means that single member of the MMS constellation using the diagnostics can find a portal and alert other members of the constellation. Mission planners long thought that MMS might have to spend a year or so learning to find portals before it could study them. Scudder's work short cuts the process, allowing MMS to get to work without delay.
It's a shortcut worthy of the best portals of fiction, only this time the portals are real. And with the new "signposts" we know how to find them.
...........................
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/mms-five-years-four-spacecraft-thousands-of-inspired-students
March 16, 2015
Magnetospheric Multiscale (MMS) Mission
https://mms.gsfc.nasa.gov/
The Magnetospheric Multiscale (MMS) mission is a Solar-Terrestrial Probe mission comprising four identically instrumented spacecraft that will use Earth's ...
Spacecraft · Newsroom · Meet the Team · About MMS
MMS Movie Trailer: Four Spacecraft, One Mission - Magnetic ... - NASA
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/mms-mission-movie-trailer
In 2015, NASA will launch the Magnetospheric Multiscale, or MMS, mission. MMS consists of four identical spacecraft that will orbit around Earth through the ...
Four MMS Spacecraft Achieve Tightest Flying Formation Ever | NASA
https://www.nasa.gov/.../nasas-mms-spacecraft-achieve-tightest-flying-formation-ever
On Oct. 15, 2015, the four spacecraft of NASA's Magnetospheric Multiscale, or MMS, mission entered the tightest flying formation ever achieved (shown here in ...
MMS: Five Years, Four Spacecraft, Thousands of Inspired Students
Autonomous and Autonomic Systems: With Applications to NASA ...
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1846282330
Walt Truszkowski, Harold Hallock, Christopher Rouff - 2009 - Technology & Engineering
1.1.3 Magnetospheric Multiscale The Magnetospheric Multiscale (MMS) mission, scheduled to launch in 2014, will use a four-spacecraft cluster that will study ...
New satellites get to the bottom of space weather | Science | AAAS
www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/05/new-satellites-get-bottom-space-weather
May 12, 2016 - In the MMS mission, each of the four identical spacecraft has numerous ... "Those [theory] guys are scrambling to explain this," he says.
Hidden Magnetic Portals Otter!
I recall when that came out, but I missed that video you posted. Thank You much!
I suspect something like the Skinwalker Ranch is an opening to one of these.. or was.
I also wonder whether much folk tale which I find interesting was a result of Earth being more susceptible to such a phenomena in the form of physical beings
It was in 2005 that I kept getting weird feelings about the reality I was experiencing, I would find myself thinking that "something" wasn't right in my world, it seemed centred on my work and also my partner at the time, I cant describe it as anything other than I knew something wasn't right, but I couldn't put a finger on what exactly, it really came up after a conversation I had with a IT buddy about the changes in Computer Power and the advances in Technology since I left the Air Force in 1992.
It seemed to me that the few short years between leaving the Air Force and then had somehow missed some parts in time: :o
In part it seemed like almost no time had gone by since leaving until 2005, and also I don't recall very much of the time in between, although I was really busy with my IT career and did work a lot of extended hours and overtime, it felt like there were big time-gaps in my life :o
The last 7 years have appeared to be normal when I think about significant events that have happened to me.. maybe I was just a over-stressed techy back then ??
Posted by space Otter Sept 14th
"you know how sometimes things just mesh in your brain and you connect it to something else..
well that's kinda/ sorta what happen today when we had no sun and i was thinking of the articles i posted on here.. about magnetic fields and solar flares
and went.. hey i'll bet that has something to do with the time shift stuff
i don't have a lot of time this week but i'm going to jot down a list of the dates we have talked about and see if i can find any solar flares listed around those dates...maybe we can pin point a nexus point to this time shift stuff
but
i am also thinking there is a more personal occurrence for each of us or maybe even a local occurrence in conjunction with the solar flares
just sharing some thoughts
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10604.0
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-41110082
shifts in the magnetic field
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http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10609.0
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/09/sun-solar-flare-strongest-auroras-space-science/
How the Strongest Solar Flare in a Decade Is Affecting Earth
The monster burst of radiation already caused brief radio blackouts and may trigger strong auroras in the coming days."
Space Otter on Sept 16th
"ok just another tiny observation about the time shift thing
looking thru the posts this one caught my eye and i went to you tube to watch it
Re: 2016: The Nibiru/Planet-X System Cometh
« Reply #176 on: Today at 07:16:01 PM »
Planet X Approaches Perihelion - Earth Wobble Intensifies - Celestial Signs of Great Changes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=14&v=39a7nbf8ro4
i don't ususally read comments but this one jumped out
vertigo hummmmmmmm
Lynn Kopplin2 days ago
Vertigo lately, it almost feels like "motion sickness". very strange when I'm firmly on the ground. Im certain its not just my imagination & Im not the only one!
the conversation here is about the sun setting in the west but being moved from previous times
..a few years ago i remember posting on here about the sun setting more north instead of west..even had some pics on it
just adding this tiny remark about the vertigo to the time shift questions/info"
Post by Zorgon on Sept 18thQuotespace otter on September 14, 2017, 02:15:02 PM
you know how sometimes things just mesh in your brain and you connect it to something else..
well that's kinda/ sorta what happen today when we had no sun and i was thinking of the articles i posted on here.. about magnetic fields and solar flares
and went.. hey i'll bet that has something to do with the time shift stuff
"Been a tad busy last week or so
I will look into this before I go to war"
Space Otter on Sept 18thQuotezorgon on September 18, 2017, 09:57:16 PM
Been a tad busy last week or so
I will look into this before I go to war
"hey where you going to war?..don't you know that 9-23 is the end
bwhahahahahahahahah
i'm looking for info on personal vibrational measurement.. i know mine has changed but since i don't have a base line it's only a guess/ feeling..sucks//i should have had a base line but never thought of it...."
Post by ArMap on Sept 1thQuotefrom: space otter on September 18, 2017, 11:21:21 PM
i'm looking for info on personal vibrational measurement..
"First things first: what is "personal vibrational measurement"? ??? "
Space Otter on Sept 19thQuotefrom: ArMaP on September 19, 2017, 04:18:46 AM
First things first: what is "personal vibrational measurement"? ???
"The Schumann resonances (SR) are a set of spectrum peaks in the extremely low frequency (ELF) portion of the Earth's electromagnetic field spectrum
wellllllll if the earths can be measured then ours should be able to be measured also
here's a looooong article sounding very new-agey but the best i can find
http://www.faim.org/measurement-of-the-human-biofield-and-other-energetic-instruments
one paragraph as sort of an explaination
They may actually refer to something similar to the present-day concept of the biofield, which is, at least in part, based on the electromagnetic field theory of modern physics but, in principle, might also include acoustic and possibly other subtler energy fields not yet known to science. The important difference between traditional and modern views of the vital force is that the biofield rests on physical principles and can be measured, whereas the traditional concepts remain metaphysical. Nonetheless, considerable similarities exist between ancient concepts of the life force and modern biofield concepts in their assumption that a form of life-giving energy flows throughout the body and that illness arises as a result of blockages, excesses, or irregularities in its flow. Additionally, biofield therapies incorporate notions of a universal life energy, as in Reiki (a form of Japanese spiritual healing), qigong therapy, and many other types of human energy healing performed today. Many practitioners of biofield therapies can also assess imbalances in the human biofield either with their hands or intuitively.
years ago i had an aura photo taken which was colors..i still have it and i think that may be as close as i have gotten to any measurement of myself
but we each have to have our own vibration (sorry it does sounds soooooo new age but i think it is fact.. and i would really like to have a way to measure mine at different times
my conclusions is that we each have a different vibration and when we hit a certain space/place that is in conflict with it - that is when we have this time shift awareness happen
so it wouldn't affect everyone the same way
and if the earths vibration is changing it is probably doin it at different rates in different spots and that is why it mostly happens when you come in and out of your home area..
ok hows that?.. it where i am right now in trying to figure this dang thing out.."
Post by ArMap on Sept 19thQuotefrom: space otter on September 19, 2017, 09:35:04 AM
but we each have to have our own vibration (sorry it does sounds soooooo new age but i think it is fact.. and i would really like to have a way to measure mine at different times
"Vibration does sound "new age" (although that idea was already popular at the end of the 19th century), but if you want to measure it then you need to choose what to measure.
I know that electricity can be measured (and seen) with an oscilloscope, but if you are close to any part of the electric grid you will probably show a 60Hz current running through you, but that can be filtered out on the oscilloscope, so I suppose that at least that energy can be measured.
Unless you can convert the other energies to something measurable then I suppose you cannot measure them."
Post by Space Otter Sept 20th Quotefrom: ArMaP on September 19, 2017, 05:18:18 PM
Vibration does sound "new age" (although that idea was already popular at the end of the 19th century), but if you want to measure it then you need to choose what to measure.
I know that electricity can be measured (and seen) with an oscilloscope, but if you are close to any part of the electric grid you will probably show a 60Hz current running through you, but that can be filtered out on the oscilloscope, so I suppose that at least that energy can be measured.
Unless you can convert the other energies to something measurable then I suppose you cannot measure them.
"Armap i'm not ignoring your post just running a lot this week but there was a paragraph in that link ..and i know you didn't read it..lol ...that listed some measurements like ekg etc.
i'll get back to it
wavin"
Post by ArMap Sept 20thQuotefrom: space otter on September 20, 2017, 09:13:45 AM
Armap i'm not ignoring your post just running a lot this week but there was a paragraph in that link ..and i know you didn't read it..lol ...that listed some measurements like ekg etc.
"Sure I didn't read it, I don't have the time to read a 12,000 words article. :)"
Post by Zorgon on Sept 24thQuotefrom: space otter on September 16, 2017, 11:55:01 PM
the conversation here is about the sun setting in the west but being moved from previous times
..a few years ago i remember posting on here about the sun setting more north instead of west..even had some pics on it
just adding this tiny remark about the vertigo to the time shift questions/info
"The vertigo comment is interesting We should invite that person here
As to the sun setting One factor is that it does move with the seasons In mid summer here it sets south of our house while in winter it sets to the north... But so far as i can tell it is i the right place at the right time
The japanese tsunami shifted the earth slightly enough to effect the weather patterns but not enough to change the sun sets (yet)"
Post by Zorgon Sept 24thQuotefrom: space otter on September 18, 2017, 11:21:21 PM
hey where you going to war?..don't you know that 9-23 is the end
bwhahahahahahahahah
LaLa Land :o
North of Bakersfield No fires in that area but will get cold at night
Quote
i'm looking for info on personal vibrational measurement.. i know mine has changed but since i don't have a base line it's only a guess/ feeling..sucks//i should have had a base line but never thought of it....
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I used to watch that years ago but never saw a need for it
Post by Zorgon on Sept 24thQuotefrom: ArMaP on September 19, 2017, 04:18:46 AM
First things first: what is "personal vibrational measurement"? ???
"A biorhythm (from Greek βίος - bios, "life" and ῥυθμός - rhuthmos, "any regular recurring motion, rhythm") is an attempt to predict various aspects of a person's life through simple mathematical cycles. The theory was developed by Wilhelm Fliess in the late 19th century, and was popularized in the United States in late 1970s. Most scientists believe that the idea has no more predictive power than chance[ and consider the concept an example of pseudoscience
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biorhythm
It is thought that 'things happen' when our biorythms are out of sync with the Schumann resonance frequency... which is the 'heartbeat' of the planet
We should be doing this in a thread LOL because the info gets lost in the PMs"
Post by Zorgon on Sept 24thQuotefrom: space otter on September 19, 2017, 09:35:04 AM
years ago i had an aura photo taken which was colors..i still have it and i think that may be as close as i have gotten to any measurement of myself
"A lot of those aura photos with the rainbow colors are a gimmick of the New Agers... A true aura photo can only be gotten by using Kirlian photography... something that few people know about these days
Now if you have ever studied the pyramid energy.... THIS is what happens when you add a Tesla coil to the pyramid shape (has to be the precise proportions of the Great Pyramid)
(http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/pyramidvortex.jpg)
Back in the 70's they used to sell a block of pyramids with a built in magnetic field so you didn't need to worry about pointing it to North Pole It was put under your pillow at night
THIS is a Kirlian photograph of one of those blocks
(http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/pyramidenergy2.jpg)
Post by Zorgon on Sept 24thQuotefrom: ArMaP on September 19, 2017, 05:18:18 PM
Vibration does sound "new age" (although that idea was already popular at the end of the 19th century), but if you want to measure it then you need to choose what to measure.
Vibration, frequency of that vibration and resonance of that vibration is the KEY to the Universe. Tesla told us this. Vibration can create or destroy...
The bible says "In the beginning there was the WORD...." Well that is a vibration LOL
Just because new agers picked it up doesn't mean it isn't real
An opera singer can shatter a glass with resonance
And yes ALL vibrations can be measured as frequency
A LASER is simply amplified light waves tunes to vibrate in a particular (linear) order. That allows it to be very destructive. And oddly enough a LASER is a good knock down for what we call the "Heally Feellies" in the rock business (new agers that can "feel the vibes" in a rock) In the case of crystals man made PURE ones work better by 1000 fold than natural ones. because natural crystals no matter how well grown will have some flaws and impurities whereas man made ones are pure which we need for computer time crystals and laser crystal
here is an example of vibration and resonant frequency... This vibration was started by a low wind 42 mph ( I think) THAT WAS JUST THE RIGHT FREQUENCY OF THE BRIDGE that started a resonant wave action that twisted steel like it was rubber
https://youtu.be/lXyG68_caV4
Post by Zorgon Sept 24thQuotefrom: ArMaP on September 20, 2017, 02:52:45 PM
Sure I didn't read it, I don't have the time to read a 12,000 words article. :)
This is why i say it is more useful to clip just a portion of an article The part that is relative to the point :D
Post by ArMap Sept 24thQuotefrom: zorgon on September 24, 2017, 08:34:17 PM
A biorhythm (from Greek βίος - bios, "life" and ῥυθμός - rhuthmos, "any regular recurring motion, rhythm") is an attempt to predict various aspects of a person's life through simple mathematical cycles. The theory was developed by Wilhelm Fliess in the late 19th century, and was popularized in the United States in late 1970s. Most scientists believe that the idea has no more predictive power than chance[ and consider the concept an example of pseudoscience
I remember when biorythm was "in fashion", some newspapers included some charts for people to get their biorythm for the day/week/whatever.
Post by ArMap Sept 24thQuotefrom: zorgon on September 24, 2017, 08:52:03 PM
here is an example of vibration and resonant frequency... This vibration was started by a low wind 42 mph ( I think) THAT WAS JUST THE RIGHT FREQUENCY OF THE BRIDGE that started a resonant wave action that twisted steel like it was rubber
I know that, I studied it in a course on industrial electronics, in the part about analogic circuits and how to use them to make calculations (they were used before the digital circuits started being used, and have the advantage of being precise, as you can have half a volt but can't have half a bit), resonant circuits were used a lot in those analogic circuits, with the easiest being called "first class" (or order, or something like that, I don't remember), equivalent to something like ball hitting the ground.
Zorgon said
QuoteIt is thought that 'things happen' when our biorythms are out of sync with the Schumann resonance frequency... which is the 'heartbeat' of the planet
i hadn't heard that one
at first i thought this was off topic but in the middle of typing this i realized it may not be and added this:
i think it would be interesting to do a quick chart and see what it was indicating when you (all of us) were having this time shift...just another angle in trying to figure it out :D
Back when i was checking into anything that was supposed to give you insight this was yet another thing i worked with to check it's veracity and this is how I recall biorhythms working.
Biorhythms are invisible waves of energy in the human body. These energy levels are unique to each individual and begin charting at birth.
when I was doing it they only had three energy cycles
mental, physical and emotional and then a saw a fourth one added I think it was psychic but it's been along time so don't quote me on it
birth was considered as day one and each cycle had different days in it
Physical cycle (23 days) affects fitness, strength and stamina.
Emotional cycle (28 days) affects mood, emotions, perception and creativity.
Intellectual cycle (33 days) affects thinking, learning, memory, communication, logical and analytical abilities.
like most of these things it is math based and can be figured out at any time of your life you would like to look at
as a tool into your self it is interesting
using graph paper a chart is made and a center line inserted
each cycle crosses that line in an up and down wave
when crossing that line you had a sensitive point as well as high points for each cycle and low points for each
when one cycle was going up and another going down and they crossed exactly at the center line that was considered a crisis point.
obviously when in a low point for intellect you should put off signing stuff
or a low point for physical watch out for catching flu or stuff
you get the point
I found it to be very accurate and when I saw charts for two close relatives that they might pass and then they did.. I quit playing around with it..it's been a good 33 years since then.
if you want to see what a chart looks like or how to figure one just search the term of biorhythm
http://www.biorhythm-calculator.net/
http://www.procato.com/biorhythm/
http://www.bio-chart.com/
Class post there Space Otter :) :)
This gives me a lot of reading to do over the next few evenings.
I have been interested in human Biorhythms for a long time.
I coach athletes/runners/triathletes, and try and map the athletes fatigue/fitness cycle to there proposed training schedule, so that they can regenerate when at the very bottom of there F/F cycle and train at sub-maximal when at the top of the F/F cycle -
I have always included a 21 day seasonal break as we approach Autumn in which the athlete will follow a very loose pattern of training like the following example for a Triathlete -
Sunday AM - 1 Hour Steady Run or 2 Hour Cycle - PM = Rest
Monday AM - Rest - PM - Swim, with drills and skills as a major element of sesh.
Tuesday AM/PM - Rest
Weds AM - Rest - PM - 45 Min Run including drills/skills and some accelerations
Thurs AM - Rest - PM - Rest
Frid AM - Rest - PM - 90 Min's easy cycle or easy recovery run 30Min's max
Sat AM Rest - PM - Swim or Gym
Sun AM/PM Rest / Rest
The athlete has complete freedom to pick and choose the sessions and also the intensity levels, and can mix and change the sessions to suit themselves, although we do agree that the there will be 2 days of training before a break, and the break can be up to 3 full days off.
This will cycle thru for the 21 days and although there is a small element of de-training, specifically to running, I have found it helps the athlete regenerate both the physical and psychological spheres.
I have wondered though if the Bio-R's have a macro component to them?.. by which I mean are they just in blocks of days OR is there 3, 6, 9 or 12 month component to the various Rhythms that affect the athletes body/mind/spirit? ;D
Thanks again for the post, it is really a fascinating and absorbing subject.
Peace-out! 8)
Fansongecho
thanks Fans
check out the links i posted the first one will give you a quick and easy way to do the charts..one of the few things i give computers good marks on
less time on the math..lol
my suggestion is to do a few charts on some of your team at peak performance and on low points and see if there is anything to it for your application because even thought you have a team the performance is individual
then you can also check ahead using that chart for a person to see future charts stuff
as far as trying to answer your question i can only venture an opinion
to let the individual use it to figure the rest times and see if that would be of a benefit...using the past charts as a learning / infomation application
as for personal experience.. i never used it in this way
for what's it worth when training for an endurance ride (horses) i tried to do the competitive distance once two weeks before the competion and then evaluate anything i thought was needed .. work on that and just maintain muscle and wind..
worked well for me
good luck in using it as a tool and let us know what you think
Quote from: space otter on September 26, 2017, 03:21:49 PM
I found it to be very accurate and when I saw charts for two close relatives that they might pass and then they did.. I quit playing around with it..it's been a good 33 years since then.
If the cycles start at birth, aren't everybody's cycles the same, only shifted according to their birth date, with two people that were born at the same time having the same highs and lows, and, in result, being more likely to die on the same day? ???
wellllllllll ArMaP i think that would be the first logical question to ask
so perhaps that is where the old saying comes in about
it's not what you have but what you do with it
and then again the free will thing.. all the signs could be bad but gee there must be something else that makes it different for those same birthday folks
i don't have an answer other than that
but back then i was using it the same way i was using astrology and numerology and some other things.. to see if there was useful info to be had...and yes there is..is it perfect or foolproof ?..
bwhahahahahahahah.....yeah like anything is that.
go figure, huh..! ;D