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I have managed to get online elsewhere  for a while while I am awaiting trying to get my home Wifi problem resolved.

I have just had or witnessed 3 or 4 things occur today that disturb me while on my journey.

1st one... I went in a small chain type shop to ask for some change... and they tell me that they can no longer offer to change  money...

I went a a bank and asked to change some coins and they said only if they go into your account...in which they will then allow you to draw out say on paper money..or larger coins.

So I then went to another small local family type  shop and they had no problem doing so and were greatful for the change..

I then wanted to make 2 or more phone calls in a public phone box and another one later to my Broadband / phone company to enquire over my Phone , broadband wifi issue..

and Initially I did not want to phone by a mobile and I wanted to use a pubic phone...as many a time you can have to wait several minutes and go thru menus before you get to speak to someone..

When trying to make the public phone call and insert money... the money would not go into the slot...and i tried different coins.

So I went to another Public Phone box. and the same thing happened..

At one time if you had an issue.. using a public phone... you could Phone FREE to an operator to make a complaint..

BUT this is now no longer possible.. You have to pay to do so.
at 60 pence a time.. where you will loose your money in trying to do so.

I then I tried to call my Phone and Broadband number which at ine time was a FREE 0800 number...

But Now its only a Free number if you phone from a landline.
so I refused to call it as you can wait 10 mins or more  before you het a reply.

I had however on doing a prior internet search..come across an old free number...

So I called that.... and did get someone answer., but they said this was not a number often called and was only for a certain sales type line.

Luckily I was then able to ask if they could put me thru to a certain dept which they did..

I then waited 30 minutes and got no reply.

If I would have called that same number... on the paid line , How much would that have cost me ?

The last thing...

I went to my local College to enquire  over a course and some other information.

In  the last 10 years it had been modernised.

and I did visit it earlier this year.. and you could walk into the canteen area for a cup of tea...

BUT to my real surprise today what do I see...

They ow have a type of barrier system in place where you can not enter usless your registered and there was TWO Security guards watching every move you make..

Initially I was able to go to the reception counter and ask one of the advisors over a course... and I just happened to ask what was going on..

At the same time severa people came in and were queing behind me..

I just happened to raise m concern over the security and said I do not want to join if your goung to insist on this..

and one of the security guys came up to confront me...

another women some distance away...same with the security peraon who was at the opposite side of the recption area which is quite a wide area.....had overheard my raised concern and sent hm over...

and he told the lady attending to me to attend to the other people..

I gave as good as I could to him and said you have no right to interfer with my conversation..

After some minutes of expressng my concerns, he just walked away.. I complained that the lady had gone to help spmeone else..

Most of the people in the que were Muslims and the Security gurrads were colored guys..

I cannot express how demeaning that felt..
.

I later asked the lady who do I need to speak with over asking about the New security and the incident tha just happened..
I was not intending to report anyone in particular.. just the way it was..

So she said t that the person who confronted me was a main Security type manager..

So I then went back to him to explain certain things without rasing further confrontation.. and just said that I cannot believe what I was seeing...or how it was now operating.

It seems what Alex Jones was saying has now come about..
MAYBE In the USA this happened some years ago..

But for the UK in my area, this to me is very disrurbing..
No doub they say its down to the UK bombings..and terro threats..

But the way they monitor us now is unreal...

I doubt that I will be attending any courses from now on..

If this is what we have to face from now on, I really may as well just become a drone clone and be chipped with it  ???

I cannot see any way out..

The Other public are all so accepting it , No questions asked or concerned.

I think the terror attacks will have done their job and no matter what... they will all agree to more security..

I mean that may be reality the right way to view it..

Maybe conspiracists who think its been all done so they can bring in more and more monitoring of us as lab rats is wrong..

Many people do not see it that way..

So what does one do I really dont have the answer...


No doubt Im a marked man ! it was all on camera ..being recorded.


Also a Tescos store rhawas in operation for years.. in a Covered shopping centre is closing down and hap the shops in that centre have also closed.

What the bloody hell is happening ?

There is some real concerns going on IMO.. when a major shopping area is loosing shops each month and only in half operation.... Is it all Interent shopping thats destroyed them ..

Are they going to close all such centres I wonder ?

What's the relevance of people being Muslim, or people of color?  That describes at least 50% of the people I interact with every day.  They're people.

Shasta

Its not the people or races as such, individually..

Many Coloured people have treated me well or better in ways my own race has not..at times.

and some races or individuals I like in varying ways..as I am sure applies to most of us..

Its the influx of migration that we have had in the UK in recent times that my generation finds hard to accept..

I have tried to explain my concerns over this in the past..

The College was used by main white races for years, now its maybe more other races..

Our prior white  race has reduced ..and been replaced in my area ?

Thats my concern..

Also there is are many Colored races who are now in security on quite a large scale and its them that Confront us whites..

and some of us find it maybe more intimidating..

Aso maybe It was from views of Alex Jones who made refs to it.. that it is being done to make the whites feel they have less power in their views.. as the NWO want to replace a % of the whte races... that also may have  made me note it more...

But it maybe just his or my opinion..

No doubt Ive been confronted by some other  Intimmidating other races as well , some being my own..

But I think as we are not long term used to this.. that it is a problem more for some..

Quote from: Shasta56 on September 21, 2017, 07:21:51 PM
What's the relevance of people being Muslim, or people of color?  That describes at least 50% of the people I interact with every day.  They're people.

Shasta

50 years ago, I went to school with a predominantly white student body.  40 years ago, it had shifted from 95% white, to 75% white and 25% Hispanic.  When the subdivision I live in was being built, it was predominantly white.  Now it's a mixture.  I have a Korean Baptist Church a block away.  In the grocery store I normally hear at least four languages other than English.  I can usually identify the Spanish and Russian. The others, not so much.  I'm more concerned about threats to destroy healthcare and North Korea, than I am with the skin color and spiritual paths of my neighbors.

Shasta

Im not sure which Post that I made recently , but I did express the way that I viewed it...and maybe used to think many UK white people at least of my generation thought.

alsi my thoughts may have been brainwashed with observing Alex Jones for some years.

I maybe we are wrong to judge ?

and that NO person should be judged as to where they will live..or what they do...

In an ideal World... I can see that view.

In the USA, I was explaining in one of my other posts that you had probably accepted other races more so that many European Countries..at least since the Slave trade days.
in terms of having them in your country.

I agree any race is as good as another...in many ways at least to a set degree and we all have good and strong sides to each race..

The issue in the UK and Europe is its now started to  happen to each country on a mass scale in a very short time period..

and I mentioned that the white population in the UK since the 1980s may have reduced in terms of the origional british..

But now many coloured races have come into the country and also many other white nationalities..

So what im saying is the past 40 yrs generations have had less children.. much was due to the 80s / 90s recession when there was less jobs and security..

so what they have done is bring in other races that  have replaced what should have been that past generations Children..

as during recessions people have less children...

BUT it maybe that they have brought in more than ever...

so now we face a multi cultureed country like it or not..

How many add to the Economy and how many may drain it.. as many want to come to the Uk just to get benefits..

That is the question..

and it also leads to even more competition in the job market.

It may just be that the old generation view has lost its cause and its far too late to reverse now..

It happened in the past to many races and maybe its now our turn to end..or start the process of coming to an end..


Many whites in the UK  do NOT like to mix with other certain cultures...

and have to work with them or have their children ay school with them..

I think Zorgon has talked about this in the past as maybe have others..

I was just updating How I see things and some of the changes that I have come across.. to warn others in the UK who ay think similarly..

But as I say maybe its an old generation concern..
Having other races getting all the best benefits that were built from our ancestors..

while many of our children struggle to get good jobs..as many are taken by the other races ...

Hope you understand that point of view.

Yes in the past we have all been slaves... Coloureds and whites..

and alll helped build the Uk as it is..

At one time the UK was said to rule many Countries for some years between when Columbus discovered America in 1490s..
and before the USA waas built up prior to the slave r=trade days.. maybe in the 1700 / upto the 1860s civil war when slavery ended for the blacks..

But I think the UK was for what ever reason somehow taking over many countries in that period...

But most slavery maybe occurred with the white races prior.

so much of whote slavery did build the UK and maybe the USA as did Black Slavery.

Many Whites were thru out European history even though we are a mix of white races in the UK,  as are many of the USA people are connected to them..in your family tree..

most came from White Europe or the UK..


BUT my point is in the UK right now..

Many Black races or other Europeans are getting a better deal than many of our own original races..

They have taken over many of the house in the area..while our own races have gone down hill..from past burn out in the recesson days..


Others refuse to mix with them, work with them or dont want their children mixing with them on such a large scale that it has now become...

so some have self sacrifiiced down to he way things are and actually done themselves great diservice..

where as prior , they would have mixed more with their own.

I dont know if any of the members of that  generation may agree. or if they see it different...

I am sure here is other pros and cons to it.. which ever way one looks at it..


Is there a line in the sand .. or degree that we will tolorate ..

or do we let them all come in and do as they like..

or at worse let the whole of Africa , muslims and China come in and replace us all ?

and sit back welcome them as we see our future  children in the next generation become muliti culteral as I am sure many Interracial relationships with the White british would occur in the next 30 yrs.. as is already being the case now..

Maybe in 30 years... it wil be over 50% a combination of other races and mixed races..

again less and less of the orgional whites left.. as the population declines..



ONE other issue in ref to what I observed at the College tday..

The New Security area was litterally hearding te students thru a type of sheep dip..

with the two Security guys watching every move they make as they pass thru..

maybe its also a type of metal detector..or even x ray machine like at airports...but it seems even worse and also like the London Tube where people pass thru varying gates... but in this case the areas are even more confined.. and a vert small gap that they have to pass thru..

To me its training the sheep..

I see no need for it to be like that..

Maybe in the USA you are familiar with this ?








Im not as yet sure, bit I hope to try to find out more..

The other issues that have now become a concern ..

other than race issues is the Sexual Identity issue...

Where although people now doubt have had varying views on such things over past human history..

Now its coming out more in the open and no doubt this may cause even more confusion and predudist..

and I would would guess the Human race is so varied who  should jugde who..

that there will be even more variations put on people views..

There has been a lot suggesting that much of this has been done by design..

Has it really or is it just natural ?

Id say only the older people would be abe to comment on this..


and even so, opinions stil vary..

But if say it comes down to someone or group making a judgement over others, in the Job market for eg..

I wonder how that is all going to work out ?

Again Many will be very much opposed to such ideas while others will accept it..

or others will appreciate it..

BUT My main concern is has it been done to stop Future reproduction.. in temrs of are they doing it to reduce populations..

Admittedly the Population has increased hugely...in the World in general.

Maybe we can now longer have wars like we did..

so is this another way they planned to reduce us down.

A VERY COMLEX INDEPTH Potenial  DISCUSSION..

with numerous views good and bad..

or Maybe many prefer to avoid thinking about it..!

I do see this as having some real problems..


I suppose the mor dominerring personalities have had control over others..

and no doubt this will add to their power..and dictation of peoples futures..

It must start in the Schools..as children.

where I can see some kids gettng really picked on..and delt bad hands.

or being brainwashed into believing they are something that they may not be..

My daughter and my four grandkids have Cherokee, Choctaw and African blood through my daughter's dad.  I have guy and transfer cousins.  As far as I've been able to tell, they're all human.

Shasta

Quote from: astr0144 on September 21, 2017, 08:13:02 PM
alsi my thoughts may have been brainwashed with observing Alex Jones for some years.

I'm sure that plays a part in it.

QuoteI maybe we are wrong to judge ?

and that NO person should be judged as to where they will live..or what they do...

I think that no person should be judged for things they cannot control, like the colour of their skin or the place where their parents were born.

QuoteThe issue in the UK and Europe is its now started to  happen to each country on a mass scale in a very short time period..

Here in Portugal we had recently an influx of people from Pakistan and Bangladesh, and I think those two countries are the source for most of the immigrants in the UK.

QuoteHow many add to the Economy and how many may drain it.. as many want to come to the Uk just to get benefits..

That is the question..

Do you have the same question about white UK people or only about foreigners/non whites?

QuoteMany whites in the UK  do NOT like to mix with other certain cultures...

and have to work with them or have their children ay school with them..

Yes, that's called racism.  :P

QuoteHope you understand that point of view.

I think I do, and as I said above, it's called racism.

QuoteAt one time the UK was said to rule many Countries for some years between when Columbus discovered America in 1490s..
and before the USA waas built up prior to the slave r=trade days.. maybe in the 1700 / upto the 1860s civil war when slavery ended for the blacks..

Yes, the UK didn't have any problem forcing their race and way of living to millions of people, but now they complain about people from other countries "invading" them.  :P

QuoteBut I think the UK was for what ever reason somehow taking over many countries in that period...

The reason was greed, they wanted more power and more money.

QuoteBut most slavery maybe occurred with the white races prior.

Slavery has been used by all races in the past, the biggest difference between the oldest kinds of slavery and the kind of slavery Europeans used between the XVI and XIX centuries is that this last kind was just for commercial purposes, with many excuses, like not considering black people as being people because they were not sure if black people had souls.

Quoteso much of whote slavery did build the UK and maybe the USA as did Black Slavery.

No, white slavery was more a result of war, people that were on the losing party were made slaves, but that kind of thing was mostly ended by the time we got to the Middle Ages, and was on a small scale. Black slavery was a commercial thing, with people being brought by the thousands in ships from Africa to Europe and the Americas just to make them work just for food.

QuoteThey have taken over many of the house in the area..while our own races have gone down hill..from past burn out in the recesson days..

Or maybe because they didn't want to do the low paying, low profile jobs while the immigrants accepted any thing, so by working those low pay jobs they ended up by getting money.

QuoteIs there a line in the sand .. or degree that we will tolorate ..

or do we let them all come in and do as they like..

or at worse let the whole of Africa , muslims and China come in and replace us all ?

That sounds a little too much like Alex Jones...

QuoteMaybe in 30 years... it wil be over 50% a combination of other races and mixed races..

And what's the problem with that?

Quoteagain less and less of the orgional whites left.. as the population declines..

If the white population is formed by racist people then I hope they decline fast.

PS: Many of today's problems happen in countries and regions that were under UK rule during the colonial period, places like the whole Middle East, South Africa, Zimbabwe. As I said before (although I don't remember if I said it on this forum or in a different forum), the way the British acted on the colonies generated an "us versus them" mentality, not only from the colonising forces but also from the colonised people, in a reaction to the colonisers' mentality. In the countries colonised by Portugal that didn't happen with the lower classes, as they didn't had any problem mixing with the local people, while the upper classes acted in the same way as the British, with that "we are better than them" mentality.

Portugal's decolonising was far from perfect, but considering that the war had just ended with the Carnation Revolution, things weren't as bad as they could have been, with only a few white people being killed when they were trying to flee the colonies before it was too late (I knew a guy that told that when they were leaving Mozambique they were stopped by guerilla forces that, once in a while would stop a car, took all people out of the car and killed them, just to show their force), but relations between the people from those countries and Portugal is (in general) good, and we still get many people from those countries that come to study and work in Portugal.

From what I see, it looks like people from the countries colonised by the UK still see British people a little through that "us versus them" "filter", and the same happens with the British people regarding them, so they keep to themselves and the British do the same and accuse them of not changing their culture to follow the British culture, forgetting that the British never did that in the colonies and, sometimes, even tried to destroy part of the local people's culture or took the things they liked as if they didn't had owners (like in the Middle East, from where the British stole thousands of historic pieces, and as still see today with the "it's too good for them" or the "they do not appreciate these things" lines about, for example, Ancient Egypt art and history).

Personally, I don't feel attracted to black women (yes, I think I'm a racist in that respect), so while I do not think of having an interracial relationship, I don't have any problem working with people from other races or countries, as I have done in the past and I do now, with a co-worker from Cape Verde, another one from Mozambique and two from Brazil. In fact, I have much respect for people that changed their way of life to go to a different country and culture to try to have a better life.

Quote from: astr0144 on September 21, 2017, 09:48:27 PM
The other issues that have now become a concern ..

other than race issues is the Sexual Identity issue...

What's wrong with people being free to choose what they want to do with their bodies?

QuoteBUT My main concern is has it been done to stop Future reproduction.. in temrs of are they doing it to reduce populations..

Seeing that same sex couples are getting children through several methods I don't think that would make much difference. Also, several "standard" couples decide not to have children, do you think the same about those?

I've brought up this issue before, especially in the USA.

When the time comes, who will they blame? Who will be the scapegoat?

You read the headlines, follow the trends and tell yourself, "this can't go on".  When it stops 'going on',  somebody must be blamed. Currently, the US is talking about Russians in the same prejudiced way that they used to talk about black people.  Ironically, they got Morgan Freeman to shill for this shameful effort.

I bring this up because identity politics is a cancer - and the West is obsessed with it. Gender, religion, skin color, whatever. This is how to destroy a nation by breaking it up into narcissistic little groups.  And I hate to think what happens once the blame game starts in earnest. 

The UK has been an Orwellian dungheap for a while, at this point.  Mind you, I've almost always been inclined to laugh when I've heard the English tell themselves that they live in a free society.  I can think of at least three major cultural heroes from other nationalities, (Gandhi, Joan of Arc, and William Wallace) whose sole purpose in life was resisting English oppression in their own countries.  You can ask the Irish what their experience of the English attempting to bring democracy to Ireland has been like, too.

Both of my parents were English boarding school educated.  Dad actually was a boarder at Shiplake Court, while my mother went to Geelong Grammar here in Australia; although it was very close to the same model.  The experience psychologically broke both of them beyond repair.  I've never completely recovered from my time at Mentone Grammar either.

England is one of the most inhumanly brutal and tyrannical cultures that has ever existed, as far as I am concerned; they've just done a great job of both rationalising it and hiding the worst elements.  The Holocaust was the main reason why the Allies could claim that Germany was morally worse than they themselves were, in the end.  Hitler was pure evil, yes; but at this point, I'm honestly not inclined to believe that Churchill was as much better as is usually claimed.  The Allies were quite happy to ally themselves with Joseph Stalin when it was convenient.  The nuclear bombing of Japan was done out of vengeance for Pearl Harbor, as well; it wasn't to end the war.  Eisenhower and MacArthur both told Truman that it was unnecessary.

The main secret behind the success of the British Empire, was the fact that they were exceptionally good at being both extremely nasty on the one hand, and looking very (superficially) clean and good while doing it on the other.  They used propriety to mask their real barbarism.  It's very easy to be indoctrinated to view the UK as the historical peak of human civilisation; the only real way to find out otherwise is by getting a second opinion, and as a child, that is not easy to do.

Although I use the term for convenience, I do not really think in terms of "the United Kingdom," for the record.  I think of England, and a number of other countries on the same island who were conquered by England in one way or another.  Scotland's membership in the Union in particular was very much non-consentual, at least at first; and the fact that a recent referendum happened indicates to me that that is still the case.

So for the UK to become even worse than Orwell envisioned, is something I truthfully find fairly predictable at this point.  It's just a technological extension of the pre-existing culture of the place.

As for the majority going along with it quietly...

I am not inclined to harshly judge or condemn my fellow humans for their servility any more, given how thoroughly demoralised I have become myself over the last three years or so.  There comes a point where, once you discover both the uncompromising, tenacious malevolence of the system, and the indoctrination of everyone around you, you realise that resistance truly is futile.

I've become aware that the only thing attempting to resist in any meaningful way would mean, is that I would end up either dead or permanently imprisoned very quickly, and the machine would simply keep doing what it was already doing anyway.  There also isn't even a case any more where you could feel as though you were buying something better for the people left behind with your death.  You wouldn't, because the complicit media would bury knowledge of what you had done, and the majority wouldn't look up from the screens of their mobile phones.

4chan has also shown me that it doesn't ultimately matter how many people wake up, either.  There is a small number of people behind the current system, for whom mercy literally does not exist; and Hillary Clinton is one of them.  They will use any means necessary to remain in control, and they would prefer a scenario where we became extinct over one where we were not subject to their rule.  They are also unbelievably adept at exploiting the psychological vulnerabilities of the non-psychopathic majority; and they do so constantly.  There is nothing good that we can create for ourselves, that they will not find a way to destroy.

Humanity is probably lost, at this point.  I'm not trying to save it.  All I'm trying to do is the same thing I've fundamentally always done; avoid getting hit by the poison ball.  It's a case of trying to find the few remaining patches of grass that haven't yet been covered over with concrete, and hoping that if I stay quiet enough, the Eye's attention will remain focused on someone else.

Thanks again for  your comments.

I hope to answer in some detaiil when I can get my home wifi set up again or if I have time later today...after this message..

I still als need to reply to anothe Thread that some of you replied to.

I may ony be online for a short time... and I have something else I want to post...

about a 2nd UFO sighting that I had today...

Things are getting somewhat weird !...  two sightings in 2 weeks....over my house..

Petrus,

Man is a duplicitous and vile animal. I don't care how many generations of it are bred, we will never be free of the darkness and the sadism.

It's in our damn genes.

Quote from: ArMaP on September 21, 2017, 11:27:18 PM
Personally, I don't feel attracted to black women (yes, I think I'm a racist in that respect)....

Wow. That is the most racist post I have ever read on Pegasus or even ATS for that matter.

And from an Admin no less.  :(


You outta keep stuff like that to yourself.

Quote from: A51Watcher on September 23, 2017, 01:18:56 AM
Wow. That is the most racist post I have ever read on Pegasus or even ATS for that matter.

And from an Admin no less.  :(

You outta keep stuff like that to yourself.

For Christ's sake, we can't all like everybody else.

Let's not spread the politically correct poison of the US overseas.

A man should be able to speak his mind and have an opinion, even if it's unpopular.

I'm not PC at all.

Whatever "your type" is, it can be found in any race of women.

Anyone who doesn't know that needs to get out more.

Quote from: ArMaP on September 21, 2017, 11:27:18 PM
Personally, I don't feel attracted to black women (yes, I think I'm a racist in that respect)

My avatar should offer an answer to the question of whether I am attracted to black women or not. ;)

The women I've had physical relationships with have consistently been Hispanic, as well.  I also live in a hostel which is owned by a white South African woman, in a town which is very prominently inhabited by members of a local indigenous tribe.

Race doesn't amount to much more than a collection of stereotypes, and an excuse to treat other people badly, as far as I am concerned.  Yes, the Hispanic women I've known genuinely have consistently been as hypersexual and emotionally unstable as their stereotypes suggest; but I'm sure calm, celibate Latinas do exist.  I just haven't encountered any, yet.  A friend of mine has discussed with me, the idea of saving up to visit Spain for a few weeks at some point; I could see that as potentially being a physically exhausting experience. 8)

My attitude towards race is somewhat unusual, from the point of view that while I am the dreaded Anglo/Celtic white man, I have also experienced extensive psychological and physical abuse due to being autistic.  My father told me once that I would have been sent to the gas chambers if I had been alive in Germany during Hitler's period.  So white nationalism has never been an option for me, even if I had wanted it to be; they would not accept me.

My time in World of Warcraft was also instructive on the issue of race, since I was simultaneously reading about the more honest and less discussed aspects of European colonialism.

Quote from: Irene on September 22, 2017, 07:29:46 PM
Petrus,

Man is a duplicitous and vile animal. I don't care how many generations of it are bred, we will never be free of the darkness and the sadism.

It's in our damn genes.

My perspective on human nature is actually more optimistic at the moment than it has been in the past, despite how it might sound.

As I've written on multiple occasions, humanity really has a single main problem, as far as I am concerned.  We have a psychopathic minority of around 4-6% on the one hand, and a non-psychopathic majority of roughly 96% on the other.

While said 4-6% are every bit as duplicitous and vile as you suggest, the majority aren't.  The only mistake that the majority really make, fundamentally, is trusting people who they should not, and assuming good faith where they should not.  The majority largely assume that bankers, corporate CEOs, and politicians have as fundamentally benevolent intentions as they themselves do; that is their fatal mistake.

I remember reading about how on the Western Front one Christmas, the lower ranked troops on both sides of the trenches gave each other presents and played a game of soccer.  The officers, representative of said psychopathic minority, were furious.  It is said psychopathic minority who want to kill people, but they also want to use members of said majority to do so.

This doesn't mean that I think the psychopaths need to be violently purged, because even if we could positively identify them in order to do so, that would only perpetuate the problem.  The only thing we need to do where said psychopaths are concerned, is stop trusting them, stop believing their dishonest claims that we need some form of authoritarian hierarchy in order to exist, and stop complying with their program.

The psychopaths themselves, are evil in the sense that they gratify their urges without any consideration of the harm that that will do to others.  It's the mentality of a spider; all it wants is to eat and survive, and it doesn't think about how the prey feels because it views itself as being more important than said prey. 

It is elitism that is the problem.  If you think of yourself as a king or a millionaire or in general, someone who is somehow inherently better than anyone else, then it is that perception of superiority, in and of itself, which disables your capacity for empathy.  You can only imagine what harm to another person would feel like to them, if you view that person as being fundamentally the same as you.  If you view them as different, then you can tell yourself that said pain itself is either less, or that because said person is less, their pain arbitrarily does not matter as much as your own.

This is why I consider poverty beneficial, and wealth both psychologically and spiritually dangerous.  If you have no more than what you need to physically survive, then by definition, that will keep you empathically connected with the majority of the rest of humanity, because you are on the same level.  It will also keep you grateful, because awareness of what deprivation feels like will never be far away.  There have been nights where I would have gone hungry if not for other people here, and there have likewise been times when I have given marijuana to people who had none.

If humanity was to remain in truly small groups, and also keep ourselves economically close to the dirt that we ultimately both come from and go back to, then there would be nothing wrong with us.  No clergy, no kings, no money, and nothing to spend money on.  We don't need government and economics because we are evil; we are evil because we need government and economics. 

Civilisation is the opposite of what it claims to intend to be.  Groups like the Amish and Hutterites are the proof of that.  They aren't perfect either; but from what I've read, most of their imperfection comes from abuse of pastoral authority.

I have still as yet got to reply to posts in detail,

I know race and gender is and can be a very sensitive areas and I hope the comments in referring  about it dont offend anyone.

I just have found that some internet sites who had discussed it in some depth and I thought that in ref to the Gender issues.. that now they seem to have created what seems a rather new view on it that I had not ever seen before in so mch depth..

where to me.. I may see it disturbing in certain ways towards to young generations..

and my MAJOR Concern is HAS something been done by design...

eg, Have the Govt and Scientists done things to our food and water to change the human form..

although I do not as yet see that as something effecting everyone...

so its rather a hard topic to try to understand..

but I can see maybe in some situations many people can be targeted or be very vulnerable towards a non understanding population, say like th Nazis..or many other hardline groups.

Some of the ways I see Humans is... a set % are very Dominant agressive types and hardcases... and a set % moderate to passive...

I find the aggressive ones with low understanding of other types rather hard and not very nice  to deal with..

but I see lots of them..

I do think there is some difference in our make up in the brain in particular that make this, or maybe it is just a genetic / type of people who are born that way...

I dont ever se them changing in their ways and maybe thats the case with more moderate people.



I saw a TV program last night about Germany and the new rise of the Nazi party in ref to the vast migration..

and I found it very disturbing.

I honestly think the Nazis could rise again if something is not done..to address it...

The sad thing is that there are some abused people who have migrated..and could certainly do with help..such as the Syrians..

but some others may just want to get into Europe and are not in the same need..

Many of the Germans who spok3e about it find it a threat along the lines that I refer to...ie maybe seeming in some cases to being looked after better than some of the poorer Germans.. and Ive seen this in my Country...in the UK.

Then the other main factors were the mixing and the threat of Jobs being taken.

Also on th3e Television now in the UK, maybe 3 years ago it was mainly white presenters, , now it is maybe 33 % of more..variousw other races or colors.

As I said, in the USA... thats been the case much longer I think, but maybe 20 years ago it was similar to what the uk was 5 years ago... relatively few !
...
more on the Nazis maybe  later .

I dont think its possible for the Human species not to have some sort of Racism...

in can be in so many forms..

either as a population or individual..

None of us can like or hate all.

Maybe its meaning needs to be readdressed.

What a great thread !  :)

I think, that as a species, we have to be close to being the most stupid on the planet (granted the Lemmings that fling themselves off the cliffs come very close) -

Humanity in the 1st and 2nd World pays to live here on Earth for a start..  and at the same time we are paying to destroy the planet and the biosphere; as well as taking out a large number of other species, while we are completing the above.. and this seems to be accelerating.

My experience of the interaction with immigrants coming to the UK, has been in general that most peoples coming over here do want to integrate, and are looking for a "better life" than the one they are leaving but there is a certain type of immigrant that due to their religious belief system don't/wont/cant integrate though..

I fully expect that when I travel abroad, to observe the laws and rules in the country I am visiting, in effect integrate in the short time that I am there, to the society around me, so if I was to visit Saudi Arabia or UAE I would not try and buy beer or drink alcohol when in that country and I certainly wouldn't go out on the streets and preach hate to the local population -

The UK has a very poor track record of fairly treating the peoples of the many countries it has invaded and stolen there sovereign wealth from - and it is something that is never addressed either in History (during our educational years) or on Lamestream TV - we have treated others horrifically  :( >:(

It appears to me, that there are 2 types of people, those that do care about things other than just themselves, and people who only care about themselves and are ambivalent to the world around them -

I have meet a LOT of folks in powerful positions who you would put on the Psychotic/Sadistic/Sociopathic spectrum who have no moral centre and all they care about is greed/wealth and gaining more power over their fellow man/woman.

I don't have a children and made a conscious decision in my twenties to not have children, due in part to my experiences of physical abuse growing up and becoming aware of the road that mankind was/is on.

I am in my mid-50's now and I do not regret making this choice -

We are literally racing extinction and taking many many species with us, as well as the biosphere  :( >:(

Homo Sapiens! we may well be the dumbest animals on this planet - I do wonder if the visitors / others find us to be a fascinating project ??

Peace Out, have a great weekend.

Fansongecho  :)

I will have to absorb  your reply Fans and comment when I can.

You must have wrote as I was upadating my last post !

I also think the variation of the Human species and Psychology  is a mjor part to this topic..

there still a hell of a lot that I do not know about.. as often one ony intergrates with similar persons in our own groups...and for eg I do not want to deal with the highly agressive types..

so I only know what I see on TV or from some past experiences with them, but otherwise i prefer to avoid them.

but many of them, may well have been the ones that created change and fought past wars being more the warrior type..

in one way they cause mayhem, but they helped take over countries or fought wars maybe in areas many would fear to tread.

Quote from: A51Watcher on September 23, 2017, 01:18:56 AM
Wow. That is the most racist post I have ever read on Pegasus or even ATS for that matter.

Would you feel as offended if I said that I don't feel attracted to old women, or to women with bushy brows?

And, unless I'm missing some peculiarity of the English language, not feeling attracted is not the same as being disgusted. I have a black work colleague that I like very much but I don't feel attracted by her.

Do you feel attracted to all women (or men)? Or are there some physical characteristics you don't feel attracted to?

Also it's not something that can harm them (unless they feel attracted to me).

QuoteAnd from an Admin no less.  :(

Mods and admins are supposed to help keep the forum working without any problems, we are allowed to have opinions. In another forum where I am moderator we have a saying with which I agree, "mods are first of all members".

QuoteYou outta keep stuff like that to yourself.

Thanks for your opinion, you're not going to get negative answers for giving it from me. :)

Quote from: A51Watcher on September 23, 2017, 02:36:42 AM

I'm not PC at all.

Maybe not, but it looks like you are following in that direction...

QuoteWhatever "your type" is, it can be found in any race of women.

... by assuming things about me. In my case, I don't have a "type" of woman I prefer, I see it as an individual thing, each person has their own characteristics, and physical characteristics are not the most important for me, and I'm sure that the personal characteristics I prefer can be found in any race.

um.....How about Kellita Smith?

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kellita+smith+bikini&atb=v58-1_a&ia=images&iax=1&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fwww2.pictures.zimbio.com%2Fbg%2F2001%2BPeople%2Bs%2BChoice%2B8XPBWykwBKYl.jpg

I used to think Indian women were unattractive.....until I encountered my first Bollywood movie. I was immediately corrected!

Quote from: astr0144 on September 23, 2017, 10:31:29 AM
I saw a TV program last night about Germany and the new rise of the Nazi party in ref to the vast migration..

and I found it very disturbing.

I honestly think the Nazis could rise again if something is not done..to address it...

Some people say that this has been the idea the whole time, forcing an already existing crisis in the Middle East, create a refugee wave into Europe, so people could revolt against it and give more power to the neo Nazis and other extreme right groups.

QuoteAlso on th3e Television now in the UK, maybe 3 years ago it was mainly white presenters, , now it is maybe 33 % of more..variousw other races or colors.

As I said, in the USA... thats been the case much longer I think, but maybe 20 years ago it was similar to what the uk was 5 years ago... relatively few !

That's interesting, as one thing I have noticed for many years is that when you watch a TV show it's easy to say if it's from the UK or from the US because TV shows from the UK had always been more mixed than US shows, with UK TV shows sometimes showing interracial couples while that in US shows is (or was, until these last few years) very rare.

QuoteI dont think its possible for the Human species not to have some sort of Racism...

in can be in so many forms..

either as a population or individual..

I think it's natural to be afraid or concerned about things we don't know, so it was natural for white Europeans to see people from other races in a different way, but today there's no excuse for that, so the people that want to keep the common citizens under control find ways to divide the common citizens, so they exaggerate the differences to make it look like we are different. Yes, we are different in small details, but in the end we all are the same, with the same needs and wants, regardless of race, sex, religion, favourite soccer team, whatever.

Quote from: petrus4 on September 23, 2017, 03:31:54 AM
I remember reading about how on the Western Front one Christmas, the lower ranked troops on both sides of the trenches gave each other presents and played a game of soccer.  The officers, representative of said psychopathic minority, were furious.  It is said psychopathic minority who want to kill people, but they also want to use members of said majority to do so.

Yes, that was a side effect of the type of war used at the time, with trenches full of men from both sides close enough to talk to each other, allowing them to see that they were all the same and that they would prefer to spend Christmas at home with their families instead of killing other people like them.

There's a song about that, by The Farm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRgtzZ-mOQo

Quote from: astr0144 on September 23, 2017, 10:31:29 AM
I honestly think the Nazis could rise again if something is not done..to address it...

I think both the recent Nazi stuff and the Antifa/radical Left violence is being orchestrated by the same people.  The point is to play both of them off against each other, and use their conflict as a rationalisation for ending democracy.  It's basically the same trick Palpatine was depicted using in the Star Wars prequels.

The other thing that they've been doing, and I've been noticing this, is flooding Nazi shit everywhere in order to shut down the Internet and scare everyone away from new application protocols which might otherwise let people escape corporate controlled social media.

A year or so ago I first heard about Bit Chute (http://www.bitchute.com/), which was essentially a bit torrent based alternative to YouTube.  Fast forward today, and the site has Nazi and racist stuff plastered all over it.  Groups who didn't want people performing their own political analysis used the same tactic on 4chan.  They would spam the site with literally anything...it didn't matter what it was...in order shut down topics they didn't want discussed.

I don't think the Nazis are going to be used as an actual form of leadership of some new regime.  I think whoever is doing this knows that that would inspire far too much resistance.  The Nazis are basically being used in the same manner as the Antifa on the supposedly other side of the coin; to cause sufficient chaos that the majority are willing to accept more and more draconian measures as a means of making it stop.

I don't worry about Nazism taking over the planet on a permanent basis, however; and the reason why is because I know that the system they want, has no long term point of sustainable equilibrium.  Totalitarian fascism can only end one way; in large scale, automated industrial death.  This is because once you make one person an enemy of the people, you can potentially give anyone that label; and if the punishment for having said label is death, then literally anyone can be killed, and so pretty much everyone is.

Nazism is more like a generational plague than something which is in danger of taking over permanently.  It crops up about once every four generations or so, after everyone who repelled it last time has died, and so there is no longer living memory of it.  Then the few dormant skinheads or whoever who've somehow stayed that way generationally since the last attempt, start making up lies about said last attempt, sanitising it, and rehabilitating its' image to people who are too young to know any better.

Once they've grown big enough, they get themselves installed in a couple of governments.  For a couple of years, the only thing anyone notices is unusually large governmental infrastructure projects.  Fascists are very good at saving money, although the main ways they do it are by putting most people in either the arms industry or the military, and by wiping out pretty much any form of culture or pastime that people might have had, other than eating.

After a while they start shutting down democratic institutions, processes, and rights.  The main way they do that, is by creating a series of scapegoats, both internal and external, who are presented as hysterical, utterly irrational, supposedly lethal threats to human wellbeing.  Said threats are presented as being so all-consuming in importance, that it is claimed that democracy and legal due process need to be abolished in order to stop them.  Child pornography is the perfect example of this, for two reasons.  The first is that the safety of children triggers an extremely primal, irrational emotional response in people which is virtually impossible to override; and the second is that it can be dishonestly but still very effectively claimed, that anyone who is not supportive of unlawful emergency powers or arbitrary censorship, is somehow supportive of child porn.

These appeals work, because of the human tendency towards strict self-interest.  If the government starts locking Muslims up, but you aren't a Muslim, or better yet, you actively dislike Islam, then you are likely not going to object when Muslims are incarcerated or tortured.  The first group with whom an exception to due process is made, will always be carefully chosen in order to ensure that they are a group which virtually the entire population dislikes.

The other point of this, is to gradually get people used to the idea of making exceptions to the upholding of liberties and due process, for members of supposedly abhorrent groups.  We end up with a situation where as long as the group in question is not one we identify with, then they become fair game, and torture, murder, or any other form of inhumanity towards them becomes something which most of us are then able to comfortably ignore.  This is because the people being persecuted or unlawfully treated are members of "that group," and "that group," are "bad;" but as long as it isn't us ourselves who are the ones being gassed or shot or sent to labour camps, then we can rationalise it.

So we've got our first group who are being wiped out.  Once that is in place, and once the public are indoctrinated to accept the idea that exceptions to the law are ok as long as they're only for groups who you've dehumanised first, then things start getting much worse.  Eventually you get a scenario where it isn't only members of the early scapegoat groups who are disappearing; suddenly it's people who were previously viewed as being entirely innocent, upright members of mainstream society who are being labelled as "enemies of the people."  This is the point where the camps open.  Anyone or anything which is labelled "degenerate," can be eligible for admission; and the best part about degeneracy is that it is a completely subjective term which can be applied to anything you like.  So it is, and as previously mentioned, everyone starts being killed as a consequence.

There is only really one way to prevent this cycle from starting.  That is to ensure that criminal offense laws are only ever based on specific actions which are taken towards people, and never on the identity of either the perpetrator or target.  The entire reason why the law has to be the same for everyone, is because if it is not, it ceases to be law at all.  Law is a boundary line.  If anything starts being allowed through said boundary, then the boundary no longer works. 

In practice, there can only be a law against murder if it is the act itself which is illegal, and no one is permitted to commit it, no matter who they are.  In practical terms it doesn't matter if a civilian shoots a person, or a police officer does so, when said officer believes that they have a legal right to shoot people.  The person who was shot is still dead, regardless of whether it was committed by someone who contemporary law would recognise as a criminal, or a supposedly empowered cop.  As a result, murder is the same thing regardless of the identities of perpetrator or target.

"Hate speech," does not exist.  It's a purely subjective, emotive term like "terrorism," or "degeneracy."  As long as these words are able to incite sufficient hysteria in the public, then they can be used as labels to criminalise literally any form of speech or action which the fascist state arbitrarily decides that it doesn't like or finds threatening.  I could see proposals to boycott Google, or any other corporation, being labelled as hate speech in the near future, as an example.

People need to stop supporting these white noise inducing keywords, and confiscate the ability of governments and corporations, to use said keywords as a means of abusing the law.  Recognising the false concept of intellectual property as being nothing more than a cheap excuse for censorship would help, too.

Thanks, petrus4, for that excellent post.

I agree with all of it, except the last part about hate speech, but mostly because of how people perceive "hate speech". If people used the more correct expression "hate inciting speech" then they would see that what many people consider "hate speech" is not "hate inciting speech" , meaning speech that is meant to put people of a specific group in danger.

But, considering how things in the US work, I wouldn't be surprised if that happens.  :(

Quote from: ArMaP on September 23, 2017, 01:46:27 PM
Maybe not, but it looks like you are following in that direction...

Racial bigotry will always be viewed as ignorance no matter what the current morays of the day are.

Backpedaling after the fact aside, let's not forget you set the tone and slant of the discussion with the comment "(yes, I think I'm a racist in that respect)."

By agreeing with you suddenly I am in the wrong? LOL

Quote
... by assuming things about me. In my case, I don't have a "type" of woman I prefer, I see it as an individual thing, each person has their own characteristics, and physical characteristics are not the most important for me, and I'm sure that the personal characteristics I prefer can be found in any race.

Well apparently Black skin is a deal breaker for you so physical characteristics obviously are high on the list of importance to you.

Yes I agree personal characteristics you prefer can be found in any race.

My baby sister was adopted at a young age from another country.

By the time she was in high school her mannerisms were indistinguishable from any other teenager.

I learned that people are formed by the culture they live in and by the type of parents they have, and skin color has nothing to do with it.

Having a non black skin fetish is certainly an odd one, I'll give ya that.

But most of us are not really interested in hearing about others fetishes.


 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQyq64D93yU

This video tangentially mentions what I wrote about in my last post.  Namely, that the psychopaths have figured out a new and much more advanced method for neutralising civil rights groups.  They do this by manipulating the ideology of said groups, into a laughable, extremist parody of its' former self.  Because said ideology becomes so insane, the group loses all credibility among the mainstream public, who then engage in reactionary behaviour and willingly revert to their previous, more genuinely oppressed state.

This is how they've managed to bring white supremacy and overt fascism back as well.  By turning Black Lives Matter into a violent mob, and encouraging black people with legitimate grievances to use rioting and criminal behaviour as a false solution to their problems, whoever is causing this is providing superficial credibility for white supremacist arguments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=085u0NnAgjA

What we're seeing here, is repetition of the strategy that was used with Communism.  During the late 19th century, there were movements seeking viable, less centralised forms of political and social organisation.  The psychopaths responded with Marxist Communism, an ideology which I believe was intended to subvert, discredit, and destroy non-Marxist anarchism, and to create a mentality in the public that Capitalism was supposedly the only workable form of economics available, because what was allegedly the only form of alternative, Communism, had been tried and had failed.

By taking over previously legitimate civil rights movements such as feminism, and turning the members of said organisations into screaming, vindictive, authoritarian toddlers, the psychopaths can permanently discredit any form of organised resistance, in the minds of the mainstream public.  I've been told that there are genuine labour problems in certain places in Germany, yet when anyone complains about them, the response is to immediately compare them with the Nazis.  The resulting shame causes whoever objected to become silent.

I've experienced shame myself, as a result of this false equivalency.  Over the last few years I've learned more about the topics of survivalism and prepping online, and because I don't have much money, I've started buying surplus amounts of rice and oats, among other things.  The media have made a continual, long term attempt to associate Survivalism as a subculture with the hard, radical Right; which basically ends up meaning that if you make any attempt to maintain nominal independence from either corporations or the state, supposedly you're a fascist by definition.

Given this strategy's level of sophistication, it becomes very difficult to counter.  I have had to remind myself that attempting to increase my own chances of survival, does not by itself have anything to do with any attempt on my part to either harm or subjugate anyone else, and I therefore do not deserve to be referred to as a fascist or authoritarian for what I am doing.

If you want to hear "hate inciting speech" you just have to listen to the US president.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrLwjUyAo34

He loves stirring the pot. 

Quote from: micjer on September 25, 2017, 01:17:14 PM
If you want to hear "hate inciting speech" you just have to listen to the US president.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrLwjUyAo34

He loves stirring the pot.

I suspect he is intended to be inflammatory.  As I wrote earlier, I think the proverbial people behind the curtain are playing both sides, here.  There is a deliberate attempt to enrage both extreme Left and Right to the point where conflict becomes pretty much unavoidable.  Then when it happens, the emergency powers will come out, and people on both sides will start being thrown into "indefinite detention."  V would have recognised that as a term for being black bagged.

Trump is just waiting for his pretext, now.  Once he gets his excuse, brace yourselves, kids.  The dance is about to truly begin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrwTDfdck7I

Ah, you poor paranoid people.  Trump is a necessary evil, relative to Progressive causes.

The USA is utterly dominated by the Deep State - which keeps Perpetual war going - and which controls most of the mainstream media (hey, a former CIA chief admitted as much).  There is little hope of ever establishing world peace by democratic means because both parties are under their control.

Amazing example No One Picked Up On -  Democrats were screaming about what a danger Trump was as Commander In Chief, how he could end the world, push a nuclear button.  So, Rand Paul offers a bill to end authorization for more war...... and it gets voted down because Democrats support more war ( besides the Neo-Cons).

Since the American people have no real say in this matter, there is only one way left to stop this insanity - and that's by wrecking the US as a nation. This process is well under way and the Deep State is faced with a dilemma in that while Trump can be forced into support for more pointless wars, he does so in such a horrid manner that warmongering loses all credibility.  While this goes on Democrats help ruin any chance of unity by encouraging identity politics.

This process is truly sad for those of us who deeply believed in the hope of this nation and its promise of freedom - but there is no other way out. And furthermore, if you reject the mainstream explanations of 9/11 AND/OR the cover-ups of UFO's, you should have little trouble accepting what I'm saying.  Ideas have consequences.

I really believe that Pres Trump could start a fight with himself in a telephone box/booth -  ;)

Hi Petrus4, you mentioned that Survivalists in the US are viewed as extremists out there, we don't have much a survivalist culture over here because we are such a small country with a large population, and apart from the outer islands of Scotland and maybe Northern Scotland there are very few places one could try and survive -

I think most people recognise this, and probably like myself, have enough food & water stocked for a few months , but if this becomes a reality then this country of mine must be in a world of trouble, and I strongly suspect civil unrest would occur very rapidly and then all bets are off..   

It maybe that the powers-that-be would take it as a opportunity to ethnically and socially cleanse the general population down to a few millions - from what I see of this and other Governments "supporting" Brits in overseas territories, it doesn't fill me with morning sunshine, or give me much hope that it would different on mainland Britain if there was major catastrophe.

With regards to the US Police and the many stories coming out about unlawful killings and other injustices, is it because we can now get faster reporting ? or Is it in fact a horrific trend over there ?  I see stories of pet dogs that were gunned down by the Police, or drivers killed with no provocation -

I read about the FEMA Camps that have sprung up over in the US and something to do with WallMart and the Camps but I don't get a clear picture of that story - is there any truth to the FEMA Camp story ?

We seem to be experiencing a trend in acid attacks in the UK at the moment, as well as another rise in knife crime, and our officers (apart from the Armed Response teams) are still only issued with a baton and Taser - I know I wouldn't want to be on the beat with just the above, and there have been critical cut-backs to our Police and emergency services so everyone is stretched to breaking point.

The last time I "felt" that our society in the UK was coming apart at the seams was when we had the Miners Vs PM Thatcher in the late 70's -

I really thought we were going to have martial law imposed on the streets, and I sense a under-current of fear when out in the bigger cities, and there do seem to more Cities and Towns with are certain areas of them that are a NO-GO after darkness falls.  :o

Fans, you are in a densely populated country; Petrus and myself are in places that have roughly 3,000,000 square miles of land area, since the US and Oz are both approximately the same size

most of the population of the US is concentrated east of the mississippi river, which is basically one third of the land mass; there are ample places over here where one can quickly find wilderness easily; where I live in Georgia, 50% of the state's population is in the city of Atlanta...

maybe you need to come visit us for a while  8)

lol ! indeed Seeker!  ;D  I do want to come out to the US and OZ  :)

Sorry I didn't make it clear in my message, I recognise that the US had lots of areas available to go and survive, over here it wont be an option - I didn't realise Petrus was Down-under though  :)

but getting back to the FEMA camps are they real or a Alex Jones type invention of something that do exist but maybe on a smaller scale Seeker ? ::)

Cheers!

Fans'  :)

Quote from: A51Watcher on September 25, 2017, 03:44:50 AM
By agreeing with you suddenly I am in the wrong? LOL

What did I say you were wrong about? ???

QuoteWell apparently Black skin is a deal breaker for you so physical characteristics obviously are high on the list of importance to you.

No "deal breaker", you are again assuming things about me that are not real.

QuoteI learned that people are formed by the culture they live in and by the type of parents they have, and skin color has nothing to do with it.

Exactly.

QuoteHaving a non black skin fetish is certainly an odd one, I'll give ya that.

Who said any thing about a fetish?

QuoteBut most of us are not really interested in hearing about others fetishes.

I didn't speak of any fetishes, why are you distorting what I said?

Quote from: fansongecho on September 25, 2017, 04:50:34 PM
The last time I "felt" that our society in the UK was coming apart at the seams was when we had the Miners Vs PM Thatcher in the late 70's -

A few years and a war with Argentina after and nobody appears to remember those times. :)

Haaa.. ArMap, it has taken a while, but I have finally worked out how YOU work on these threads..     :) :o 8)

Let me very gently rebut the statement below - "A few years and a war with Argentina, and nobody appears to remember those times "

For myself and a number of fellow veterans, we felt that the Falklands conflict was another manufactured war.. 

Maggie was losing the countries support, after the crushing of the Coal Miners and their families .. it soon became apparent that the YUPIES and the "NEED FOR GREED" was the Tory anthem, and f&&& everyone else who was from the working class..   

There were lives lost on the UK AND the Argentine side that need not have been, due to a megalomaniac's in London and in Buenos Aires who needed to have THEIR WARS to bolster there waning support base .. 

Thatcher was a truly horrific PM for this country and I can tell you hand on heart that there were many of us in the armed forces  who would not have followed orders and gone on the streets to suppress our fellow UK population IF the order had come down.

YOU ArMAP my "friend" should stop obliquely TROLLING Thread on here ...

Yours'  >:(

Fansongecho  >:(

Quote from: fansongecho on September 25, 2017, 10:19:05 PM
Haaa.. ArMap, it has taken a while, but I have finally worked out how YOU work on these threads..     :) :o 8)

It looks like you didn't.

QuoteYOU ArMAP my "friend" should stop obliquely TROLLING Thread on here ...

Trolling the thread? I was saying (or at least I was trying to) more or less the same thing you said, that it was a manufactured war to put people on her side and make people forget the previous problems. Having a small community attacked by a foreign regime is a sure way of getting support from people that were against you before.

It wasn't on my country and I was too young to understand it all at the time, but I remember hearing about the situation in the UK just after the Portuguese Carnation Revolution, when we finally could get news of things like that in other countries. Also, the whole situation around that time was one of the things that helped start the Punk movement, with their "No future" slogan, so it was another reason for me to try to get a better understanding of what was happening in the UK at the time.

Quote from: ArMaP on September 25, 2017, 09:04:23 PM
What did I say you were wrong about? ???

Wrong about you being a racist.

When you were the one who said it -

Quote(yes, I think I'm a racist in that respect)

I agreed with you.

Quote from: A51Watcher on September 26, 2017, 07:57:07 AM
Wrong about you being a racist.

Where did I say that?  ???

I have still to answer several various emails..

I did try to reply to one yesterday but for what ever reason it did not post.

I will say again I would hope no one falls out in ref to some of the content in this thread.

I am just trying to raise some issues that concern me greatly..

and maybe these two links will explain or when I can take time to explain them in  more detail.

The basis of this is that some weeks ago on a MAJOR UK TV News show..

Piers Morgan a major presnter was discussing Gender and suggested that there are now over 70 variations of it.. and seemed concerned about the confusuion this is going to bring to young children let alone the adults..

THEN... what do we get.... a British Polictian raising concerns..

supporting a USA campaign to suggest being anything other than Normal to become illegal..like it used to be at one time..

Maybe you will start to understand some of my concerns..

I hope to comment in more detail when I can focus on it better..

In ref to Gender... this is what I was referring to..

Th way I initially view it is on the one side its being suggested that there are numerous other options of Gender other than say hetro and Homo sexual... where at one time the other alternative was somewhere in between..or some may say Bi sexual..

Then, they now come out with there being at least 70 other alternatives.

Then other Politians are now suggesting it shoud be illegal for two same couples to join in marrage or maybe to be anything else other than what maybe seen as normal..

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Piers Morgins coments on Gender confusion.

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Piers Morgan's Gender Neutral Comments On Good Morning Britain Cause Huge Row
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Good Morning Britain's Piers Morgan got into a heated debate with co-host Susana Reid over John Lewis' decision to ditch gender labels for children's clothes.


You can bet on three things in this world: death, taxes and Piers Morgan angrily expressing his opinion in the crassest manner possible.

The latest issue to get under Piers' collar comes as department store John Lewis has entered the gender identity debate.

The retail giant, in bid to move with the times, has decided to remove gender identities from their kids clothes line, therefore making it gender neutral.

Naturally the ex-Daily Mirror editor-in-chief was against this move, claiming 'it should not be allowed' and that his three sons have 'never' shown an interest in wearing female clothing.


His opinion was the total opposite of his co-host (and long suffer of Morgan's creepy advances) Reid who said that she would let her son wear girls clothes if that's what he wanted to wear.
Piers Morgans Gender Neutral Comments On Good Morning Britain Cause Huge Row GMB 2ITV

On Morgan's first day back he spewed out:

    None of my sons have shown any interest in wearing dresses, and my daughter wears 20 dresses a day...

    Why can't we let boys be boys and girls be girls?

He also accused John Lewis of:

    ... trying to turn the planet into a gender neutral planet and it should not be allowed to happen.

Piers Morgans Gender Neutral Comments On Good Morning Britain Cause Huge Row GMB 4ITV

He also tried riling up John Lewis' head of children's wear, Caroline Bettis, by asking if she'd 'let young girls to into loos with 15-year-old boys'.

https://www.unilad.co.uk/tv/piers-morgans-gender-neutral-comments-on-good-morning-britain-cause-huge-row/


To then ad even more confusion or maybe oppose the alterntive suggestions..

Nigel Farages..what I think he is  saying, is  he wants to ban being what I think maybe anything other than classed as  Normal, what ever that may be !

QuoteNigel Farage is campaigning in the US for a politician who has said that being gay should be banned.

The former Ukip leader hit out at 'violent left-wing protesters' while campaigning for controversial candidate Roy Moore, who once said 'homosexual conduct' should be illegal.

Mr Farage joined ousted White House strategist Steve Bannon to address crowds in Alabama on Monday night in support of Mr Moore, an outspoken opponent of gay marriage.
The controversial Roy Moore is running for Senate (Picture: Rex)
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The controversial Roy Moore is running for Senate (Picture: Rex)

The Brexit campaigner railed against the 'liberal media' as he criticised 'violent left-wing protesters' during his pledge of support for Mr Moore, who is running for a Republican nomination for the US Senate.

Mr Farage said: 'There are others on the left who are turning increasingly away from democratic process and towards violent, unpleasant, nasty protest.
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Mr Moore's track record includes comments in a debate on Thursday that the US's core has been shaken while 'abortion, sodomy, sexual perversion sweep our land'.

And in a speech claiming only God could unify public divisions, he used the historic slurs of 'reds and yellows', the former an outdated term for Native Americans and the latter a derogatory 19th-century term for Asian immigrants.
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Mr Moore also said during an interview in 2005 that 'homosexual conduct' should be illegal.

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The former judge was twice removed as Alabama's chief justice by an ethics panel – first for defying an order to remove a monument to the Ten Commandments from a judicial building and then for allegedly urging colleagues to not grant marriage licences to homosexual couples.

Mr Farage, a long-term ally of the US president, has broken with Mr Trump in backing Mr Moore. The president has campaigned for the incumbent Luther Strange, as has vice president Mike Pence.

(Main picture: Rex)

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/nigel-farage-campaigning-us-politician-said-gay-illegal-083613619.html

Quote from: astr0144 on September 26, 2017, 02:27:52 PM
Th way I initially view it is on the one side its being suggested that there are numerous other options of Gender other than say hetro and Homo sexual... where at one time the other alternative was somewhere in between..or some may say Bi sexual..

It's not like that, gender is used regarding the person's choice, so any person can say that they have a specific gender, and, at most, we will end up with as many genders as people.

Heterosexual, homosexual and bisexual are related to the person's choice of sex partners, and as that relates to the physical characteristics that define sex there can be no more than those 3 options, as someone can only be from the same or a different sex as someone else.

Piers Morgan appears to be just someone that likes to use his power to force his opinion on other people. In that particular case I don't see any problem in not identifying closes as being for boys or girls and let them choose what they like. In older times, the clothes for little children had no noticeable difference for boys or girls, only when they got older did they get different clothes.

Nigel Farage is just being himself, someone that always appears angry when people have a choice.
Again, I see no problem with having a choice. If someone feels like a man, a woman or something in between, who am I to tell them what they are?

I ref to Piers Morgon and him referring to the varying suggested new genders.

I think if the Schools started to more attempt to bring this in on a larger basis...that it will be a concern.

It maybe just be early stages of who ever created such ideas as testing how the public respond to it.

But what I will say is that on many TV programs now... there is being more and more ref to related types of things..

and on a TV program last night, on Horizon they showed how quite a few Young people are now having a complete surgery to change over including having operations to alter their voice...and not just their Genitals..

Ive seen some programs in the past deal with th change in genitals , but NEVER going as far as even having their vocals changed to become to sound more feminine..

In some instances..I even get the impression that some have been brainwashed into going so far...and just having no control over it...andI dont think theat they are always as the factthey were born the wrong sex or maybe thought that they had female brians in a male body..

I think there maybe more to it than that..ie some sort of aided  factors..that were not natural..

and again thats my concern..

Its said that Hitler had planned such things...so Im sure it is something the people in power could do if they wanted to some degree..

I accept that there are cases where this maybe relevant..

But it would really distrub me if somehow young people are being persuaded that they may be in such need when they may not .. or if somehow Hormones in the Food and water was somehow making them that way over time.

Having said all that... I am CONVINCED.. that it does not appear to effect quite a large % of people in such a way.

Maybe some people are somewhere in between and maybe such theories of hormone issues could make them more that way in need or for them to believe that they are going that way.

I also think peoples testorone levels vary and those with Higher levels in males for eg.. would unlikely get effected that way..

BUT even Alex Jones has suggested that some quite masculine males have at times been effected to some changes..

while other males have become totally feminised...and gone for complete change of sex.. where maybe a change in their hormone levels may have been enough to bring them back as to becoming their original sex..

In one way , it may seem like  normally one is a male...
then over some time maybe one starts having certain gender type feelings.... and then say in the next 6 months you have had a gender change and are now totally Feminised and appear very much female..

That how some of there situations may have occurred..

and if this was to start to become more and more the case..
and they say its happening more and more..

Then who knows how bad this may get for the next generation who again will have been more and more accepted to it..and may never know if it was done by design..

Such things may occur over some years graduallly..as often has been the case with other changes... ie they test the waters 1st.. then start phase 2 and so on..

I have seen Bullies (as I am sure we all have at sometime ) try to convince some kids are this or that and almost get them to admitt to something under pure peer pressure and fear... or the Big Boys do it to the smaller weaker persons...

So any of the Elite who are that way inclinded with sadistic tendencies... could easily try to convince a certain % that they will start to believe and accept it

so its still a bit uncertain.. maybe as yet to make definate sort of conclusions..and to what degree.


Horizon: Being Transgender

QuoteHorizon explores what it means to be transgender and what happens when a person transitions psychologically, physically and biologically. The programme follows a socially transitioning transwoman, two young transmen embarking on hormones, and a transwoman going through gender confirmation surgery. We also hear from experts in the field of gender and find out how modern medicine is helping people to transition their gender. And with more and more people around the world finding that they do not identify with the gender they were assigned to at birth, the programme asks where gender identity actually comes from.

QuoteIt's not like that, gender is used regarding the person's choice, so any person can say that they have a specific gender, and, at most, we will end up with as many genders as people.

Heterosexual, homosexual and bisexual are related to the person's choice of sex partners, and as that relates to the physical characteristics that define sex there can be no more than those 3 options, as someone can only be from the same or a different sex as someone else.

Piers Morgan appears to be just someone that likes to use his power to force his opinion on other people. In that particular case I don't see any problem in not identifying closes as being for boys or girls and let them choose what they like. In older times, the clothes for little children had no noticeable difference for boys or girls, only when they got older did they get different clothes.

Nigel Farage is just being himself, someone that always appears angry when people have a choice.
Again, I see no problem with having a choice. If someone feels like a man, a woman or something in between, who am I to tell them what they are?

Quote from: astr0144 on September 27, 2017, 06:05:02 PM
and on a TV program last night, on Horizon they showed how quite a few Young people are now having a complete surgery to change over including having operations to alter their voice...and not just their Genitals..

Ive seen some programs in the past deal with th change in genitals , but NEVER going as far as even having their vocals changed to become to sound more feminine..

In some instances..I even get the impression that some have been brainwashed into going so far...and just having no control over it...andI dont think theat they are always as the factthey were born the wrong sex or maybe thought that they had female brians in a male body..

GOBLINIZATION

On April 30, 2021, a totally inexplicable phenomena began.
All over the world, one out of every ten men and women suddenly
metamorphosed into hideous humanoid shapes. For some, the
process was short and mild. Others spent days or weeks in the
hospital. Some recovered, while others died screaming in agony.
In those horrible weeks, two new races of humans were emerging
like strange spring flowers under the Awakened sun.

"Goblinization" was the name the media gave to this seemingly
catastrophic process, which was but another threshold point
in the reemergence of magic. Researchers had their own names for
it, mostly polysyllable mouthfuls or strings of consonants standing
in for strings of seemingly unconnected words. Whatever the name,
the result was the same. No race or ethnic group was spared as 10
percent of the world's population became what were soon dubbed "orks" and "trolls," projecting dark dreams of goblins onto the
physical changes the victims suffered.

Most of these unfortunates were traumatized by the experience.
And if they were not, their loved ones were. Some accepted
the media's name for them as license to act like the ghouls and
goblins of legend, with many incidents of violence.
Had it ended there, surely the psychological wounds would
have healed in time. But some "normal" children also began to
change as they grew older, joining the ranks of the so-called arks
and trolls. These either grouped with their own kind or mated with
great-hearted souls who could see past the physical shells . The
offspring of such unions were sometimes normal and sometimes
produced the new racial types. Not all the "normal" children
remained that way, however. Many suddenly underwent
goblinization at puberty, and the awful trauma and its associated
maladjustments cycled agaln through the community.

-- Captain Chaos, Shadowrun: Second Edition.

Shadowrun was a fictional roleplaying game, first developed in the late 80s, which predicted a scenario in the early 21st century that was essentially a mixture of Tolkien's Middle Earth and William Gibson's cyberpunk stuff.  Whenever I think of transgendered people though, I always remember the above account of Goblinization; the initial stage of previously normal humans spontaneously turning into Orcs and Trolls.

A large part of the point with Shadowrun was the idea that magic came and went from Earth in cycles lasting tens of thousands of years.  When magic came back, it invariably meant that connections or portals were opened up between Earth and the extradimensional homes of various kinds of eldritch horrors.  As a planet, Uranus corresponds with interdimensional travel, and given that it is one of the co-rulers of Aquarius, I've truthfully been expecting to see strange things incarnating on Earth for a while now.  Saturn is about the maintenance of barriers between normal reality and that which is outside, while Uranus is about the breaking of those barriers.

Transgenderism seems like a relatively tame form of aberration in comparison with the above, but it is eerie how much the same principle applies, when you think about it.  We're talking about the large scale emergence of a group of beings whose very nature breaks down the boundaries (Uranus) between genders, that humanity requires in order to sexually reproduce.

Quote from: astr0144 on September 27, 2017, 06:05:02 PM
I think if the Schools started to more attempt to bring this in on a larger basis...that it will be a concern.

If. :)

Quoteand on a TV program last night, on Horizon they showed how quite a few Young people are now having a complete surgery to change over including having operations to alter their voice...and not just their Genitals..

That's the problem of gender identification, gender is a much more complex thing than sex, gender even includes social characteristics.

QuoteIn some instances..I even get the impression that some have been brainwashed into going so far...and just having no control over it...andI dont think theat they are always as the factthey were born the wrong sex or maybe thought that they had female brians in a male body..

It's likely that some were brainwashed, but I think they are mostly trying what appears to be the easier escape from a bad situation. Imagine feeling bad as yourself (besides the probable harassment from other people) and knowing that surgery would solve that? Wouldn't you try it?

I also think that we are now seeing a little too much pressure from the doctors that perform those treatments, as they are seeing a new "market".

QuoteIts said that Hitler had planned such things...so Im sure it is something the people in power could do if they wanted to some degree..

Hitler sent transgender people to concentration camps to be killed.

QuoteBUT even Alex Jones has suggested that some quite masculine males have at times been effected to some changes..

while other males have become totally feminised...and gone for complete change of sex.. where maybe a change in their hormone levels may have been enough to bring them back as to becoming their original sex..

Once more, the problem is not how they look to other people, it's how they feel, and if they do not want to be what they were born as, nothing will make them happy except the change for their wanted gender.

So Astro, here in the states we only get murmurings of the immigrant crisis in Europe.

I decided to have a look at a few YT video on the subject, and the results are quite remarkable.

Of course they could be just propaganda, so I was hoping to get some comment from UK members if they indeed appear a realistic portrayal of the problem.

There's no England now

Paris Isn't Paris Anymore | A Story About The Last Time I Visited Paris

Europe is finished. Nothing can save it now.

Europe is Doomed. Don't believe it? Look at Germany


...are but a few I watched and think worthy of comment.


And then there was this -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sbT3_9dJY4


...contending that this crisis was engineered.

As far as I know, wikileaks has never been found to have released bogus documents.

I agree that this crisis was engineered, with the purpose of giving the far right a stronger position in Europe. Just look at the results of the German elections.

@AR51 - top post, that is the first time I have seen the Assange interview and at 12mins the discussion about why Trump would NOT being elected as President, with all the powerful elements against him..  and he still got IN.. 

When I was watching the process from over on this little Ol Island, I thought of the two - HC would have been the choice that the "establishment" would have wanted and done enough to ensure that Trump didn't get in - s

It looks like the US Democratic system did work correctly, and the votes were cast and counted correctly - or ..  there were darker forces at play that got Pres Trump the White House, although not everything can be a conspiracy .. can it ??

(and I don't understand how Bernie S never got the nomination for the Democrats but then I don't really understand the US Political Parties and how they work - if some kind person has the inclination and can be bothered to explain what happened to Bernie in the race for the nomination I would be genuinely super-grateful)

Going back to the influx of refugees fleeing the ME Wars..  I have no doubts that there will be a very large portion who needed to escape the horrors of war, but there will be elements of those fleeing that will want to see Sharia Law and the Black Flag hoisted on many a capital city.

I hear from that Swedish have put a black out on racially sensitive crimes -

And we have a virtual blackout on the child grooming and rape of young white girls by Asian men in towns with high proportions of Asian communities .. in fact a prominent Labour MP lost her job when she opened up about it and tried to make it a wider public issue.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/08/12/britains-towns-girls-systematically-raped-muslim-grooming-gangs/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/10/calls-asian-grooming-gangs-treated-racially-aggravated-criminals/

http://www.standpointmag.co.uk/node/3576/full

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerscruton/2014/08/30/why-did-british-police-ignore-pakistani-gangs-raping-rotherham-children-political-correctness/#ac04175754ab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqOydLrpqGE

Fansongecho

I still hope to reply to some of your other posts when I am in a position to take more time to search and reread thru them Petrus... Appologies for the delay in reply.

I had not managed to think in ref to making any comparisions with the likes of  Tolkens Hobbits and Lord of The Rings type of characters, as I hae never really watched those films in any real detail (as the series of films seemed so long, I could / or have  not watch'd them in such detail) or thought about it in such a way..but you may see something that I am not aware about as yet..

Petrus4

Quote
Shadowrun was a fictional roleplaying game, first developed in the late 80s, which predicted a scenario in the early 21st century that was essentially a mixture of Tolkien's Middle Earth and William Gibson's cyberpunk stuff.  Whenever I think of transgendered people though, I always remember the above account of Goblinization; the initial stage of previously normal humans spontaneously turning into Orcs and Trolls.

Interesting to see an astrology ref to the topic !

Quote

Transgenderism seems like a relatively tame form of aberration in comparison with the above, but it is eerie how much the same principle applies, when you think about it.  We're talking about the large scale emergence of a group of beings whose very nature breaks down the boundaries (Uranus) between genders, that humanity requires in order to sexually reproduce.

Yes, I am sure it can be extermely complex...and it maybe a case of it maybe only in reality effecting relatively few...BUT IMO... there seems to be much more than ever about Gender in the media or on TV programs than ever.

That could have some valid positives, but I could also see  maybe more negative concerns.

I think chances are maybe the public know little of what may really be...

The negative concern would be to me ...if say who ever was in Power wanted to use it to create more and more confusion to all, both adults and Children.

Anyone who then becomes a target but may not be really aware... their life could become hell..

ArMaP

QuoteThat's the problem of gender identification, gender is a much more complex thing than sex, gender even includes social characteristics.

Yes I believe he did....BUT what I meant was he aimed to try to change the enermies gender to some degree by aiming to put hormones in the enermies water supply..to dumb the male populaton down.

Alex Jones claims thats happening now !

and seeing how many people may seem to be responding and accepting it more and more in the media .. I have to wonder !

QuoteHitler sent transgender people to concentration camps to be killed.

There was another TV program on last night that I caught the last 5 mins off..so I dont know the full details..

BUT  he was asking what I think was a young Boy / child of about 5 yrs old... When he thought that he was the wrong gender ?

and the kid was dressed in gils clothes and surrounded by Dolls...

and his parents were also listening and responding.. as to how they thought that the child was more female than male.
and the Mother was plugging it more and more..and the father going along with what she said.

But to me on the initial view... the youngster looked like many other Children that age..where often they have not really developed that much..

and thinking back to when I was young.. I just could not imagine any child that age having any sort of such awareness, to consder being able to make a decision or have any idea or understanding about possible change of ones identity in anywhere near what this Cjild seemed to be sugesting or agreeing with what his Mother was suggesting..

I wonder if maybe it was also part is that his Mother wanted a Daughter..rather than a son...

To me what ever they had done...or beeen saying to the child.. they certainly had convinced him that he needed to become a girl.

I think maybe depending if one has a brother or sister of the opposite sex.. or mix with young children of the opposite sex at that age.... may also have some effect on a childs view on such a thing..

but say if your a young boy with Brothers.. and not greatly aware of girls at that age other than your mother...

Im not sure that I could imagine any kid having much idea at age as to if they think they should change their gender..

Im not sure that Louis Theroux the interviewer agreed with the parents decisions either..

I also think I agree that some Doctors or maybe the Syetem is also convincing them.. that this is yet another market for them to profit..

If so ...This must be stopped...It would be total evil !

                     -------------------------------

Louis Theroux: Transgender Kids

QuoteIn San Francisco, Louis Theroux meets a group of pioneering medical professionals who help children who believe that they were born in the wrong body. At the Child and Adolescent Gender Center at UCSF Hospital, Louis meets children who have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria. He learns that children as young as three can show signs of rejecting the gender they were assigned at birth, leaving parents with a difficult dilemma. If they decide to go ahead with a transition, the process can involve a complex series of medical interventions, from puberty blockers to hormone replacement therapy and eventually gender reassignment surgery.

QuoteIt's likely that some were brainwashed, but I think they are mostly trying what appears to be the easier escape from a bad situation. Imagine feeling bad as yourself (besides the probable harassment from other people) and knowing that surgery would solve that? Wouldn't you try it?

I also think that we are now seeing a little too much pressure from the doctors that perform those treatments, as they are seeing a new "market".

I have posted a few other posts in ref to my thoughts on Immigration A51...if you did not see them..

IN short... in many ways ..at least in areas where I am and when I have been to central London...

It seems a take over in parts..

So far I have not encountered some of the things in such videos that no doubt are or have happened in certain areas.

But I will say many people who I used to know who lived in houses in or near my area are  now taken over by other nationalities...and Id day many are muslim..

and some Schools and work places are either flooded with them or have a fair share.

I realy would like to know the Truth of How the Population is now in ref to the original White race in the UK to what it is today.  But I am sure that the Govt hides the true figures. or misleads the public..

A51 Watcher

QuoteSo Astro, here in the states we only get murmurings of the immigrant crisis in Europe.

I decided to have a look at a few YT video on the subject, and the results are quite remarkable.

Of course they could be just propaganda, so I was hoping to get some comment from UK members if they indeed appear a realistic portrayal of the problem.

There's no England now

Paris Isn't Paris Anymore | A Story About The Last Time I Visited Paris

Europe is finished. Nothing can save it now.

Yes, I think I will agree with much of what you say Fans..

It is hard to say what % maybe refugees and how many are general immigrants...

But there are also many numerous other nationalities as well all mixed in.

Far far too many for my liking,,

I really fear for the Future ! 

QuoteGoing back to the influx of refugees fleeing the ME Wars..  I have no doubts that there will be a very large portion who needed to escape the horrors of war, but there will be elements of those fleeing that will want to see Sharia Law and the Black Flag hoisted on many a capital city.

I hear from that Swedish have put a black out on racially sensitive crimes -

And we have a virtual blackout on the child grooming and rape of young white girls by Asian men in towns with high proportions of Asian communities .. in fact a prominent Labour MP lost her job when she opened up about it and tried to make it a wider public issue.

Quote from: astr0144 on September 28, 2017, 08:04:28 PM
Yes I believe he did....BUT what I meant was he aimed to try to change the enermies gender to some degree by aiming to put hormones in the enermies water supply..to dumb the male populaton down.

Alex Jones claims thats happening now !

and seeing how many people may seem to be responding and accepting it more and more in the media .. I have to wonder !

Hormones make some changes in people, but they do not change that much. Also, if they were putting female hormones in the water we would get the other effects, like breast development and the thinning of body hair.

QuoteBut to me on the initial view... the youngster looked like many other Children that age..where often they have not really developed that much..

and thinking back to when I was young.. I just could not imagine any child that age having any sort of such awareness, to consder being able to make a decision or have any idea or understanding about possible change of ones identity in anywhere near what this Cjild seemed to be sugesting or agreeing with what his Mother was suggesting..

I agree, if young children are not considered mature enough for other things, why should they be considered mature enough dubious thing like gender identity?

QuoteI wonder if maybe it was also part is that his Mother wanted a Daughter..rather than a son...

Unfortunately, that's not only possible, it's likely.

QuoteI think maybe depending if one has a brother or sister of the opposite sex.. or mix with young children of the opposite sex at that age.... may also have some effect on a childs view on such a thing..

I have a sister that is one year older than me, so when I was a small child most of my playing was influenced by my sister's ideas, but that never made me think that I was or should be a girl.

an old piece of  60's / 70's graffiti pops into my head reading that
it went like this


my mother made me a homosexual !

if i gave her the material would she make me one too ?


what's old is new again  :P   ::)

Quote from: fansongecho on September 28, 2017, 05:31:42 PM

(and I don't understand how Bernie S never got the nomination for the Democrats but then I don't really understand the US Political Parties and how they work - if some kind person has the inclination and can be bothered to explain what happened to Bernie in the race for the nomination I would be genuinely super-grateful)

Well fans, the Bernie affair was quite an eye opener for many people.

The wikileaks documents showed that the DNC (Democratic National Committee) management conspired behind closed doors to deny Bernie any chance of winning the nomination of the Democratic party to run as it's candidate.

Many people asked shouldn't there be a congressional investigation and charges brought against them?

The surprise answer is no, because they are a private organization, and not a government organization.

And as such can do whatever they like, including putting on a sham for the American people such as having candidates "run" for the nomination of it's party, even when the outcome is already pre- determined. Such behavior should be criminal in most people's minds, but by law it is not.

The RNC (Republican National Committee) is also a private not governmental agency, and the same rules apply to them.

So the obvious lesson here is neither one are to be trusted.

Only independents and grass roots candidates should be considered from here on out.

:o

Wow! thanks for the response A51 - that makes it very clear to me know.

Laterzzz...

Fansongecho  8) 8)

PS - Almost the weekend in the UK - whatcha all up to ???

Quote from: A51Watcher on September 29, 2017, 06:23:49 AM
Well fans, the Bernie affair was quite an eye opener for many people.

That's what I find most disturbing of the whole 2016 election story, how so few people knew and understood what happened to Bernie.