In the respect of taking the Red Pill: Opening your mind to every Truth regardless of prior knowledge/filters.
I believe that nobody has taken the Red Pill, because:
1. The removal of the Filters of the brain would totally incapacitate your ability to think correctly because of prior programming.
2. Doing so would make you a "Complete" anathema from Society.
So most people have taken the Purple Pill i.e. Opened their minds to "Some" truths, but refused to believe the "Whole" truth.
This leads to a few problems:
1. Contradictory Evidence in your mind leading to shutdown of the capacity for the discernment of Truth.
2. Not examining any claim in the light of evidence.
3. Going with Societal Norms i.e. Group Think
Do you think anybody could completely remove "Truths Protective Layers" (Thanks Neil Armstrong) and still exist in this Society?
Quote from: starwarp2000 on March 10, 2018, 06:01:03 AM
In the respect of taking the Red Pill: Opening your mind to every Truth regardless of prior knowledge/filters.
How can anyone open their mind to every truth without a way of know what is and what is not the truth? Just because someone says it id doesn't make it so.
Quote from: ArMaP on March 10, 2018, 01:08:59 PM
How can anyone open their mind to every truth without a way of know what is and what is not the truth? Just because someone says it id doesn't make it so.
Hmmmm....... Truth comes from Discernment.
It's you saying it, not someone else.
It's what is wrong with modern society....... They know something to be true (Discernment) and are told that "Learned" people know better than them.
Examples?
Climate Change, Abortion, It's raining outside but the "Weather Channel" says it isn't, so it's not raining.
You get the picture........ which is what the topic was about to begin with.
Let us not forget the forbidden archeology and all the mysteries such as Easter Island and Puma Punku that baffle the main stream, yet when taken in the context that our current stab at civilization is not the first run here, but at least the 5 if not more times around, opens up many new trains of research and thought...
My line has been "Look closely, see clearly, think deeply, and choose wisely" for many years, which does require critical thinking and the ability to reason; one is lead to the thought that the majority either do not use either or else have been mind-numbed to the point of being oblivious to anything outside their small slice of here and now...
::) 8)
Personally I prefer the Green PILL
Seems few have considered that there is a THIRD option :P
(there was even a Green party last election :P )
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Quote from: ArMaP on March 10, 2018, 01:08:59 PM
How can anyone open their mind to every truth without a way of know what is and what is not the truth?
Expanding ones mind to perceive the entire Universe at once is a goal of every mystic and secret society. Once you reach that level of consciousness you will KNOW the truth... (and effectively be godlike)
It was also the goal of the 70's drug culture and the shamans taking their schrooms to release the mind with drugs..
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Quote from: starwarp2000 on March 11, 2018, 02:54:28 AM
Hmmmm....... Truth comes from Discernment.
OK, I interpret it as "truth" meaning how things really are, not how we may perceive them. My bad.
QuoteYou get the picture........ which is what the topic was about to begin with.
I get it now, thanks. :)
As an expression, the red pill needs to be retired from use. It has been hijacked by the Right, and usually refers to ideas which are among the most delusional in existence. There is actually a movement named after the expression now; they are a group of male chauvinists who exploit pathological weaknesses in female psychology in order to obtain sex.
Before you ask, no, I'm not an SJW. I just think there are horrible ideas on both sides.
The decongestant I sometimes take is red, so yes, I've taken the red pill. I take orange pills too.
I think more than five civilisations have come and gone, but I don't currently have proof.
Shasta
Egypt, Rome, the Inca, the Mayans. We know about them, but they're extinct. Though I assume you mean global civilisations, yes?
Quote from: The Seeker on March 11, 2018, 03:53:55 AM
Let us not forget the forbidden archeology and all the mysteries such as Easter Island and Puma Punku that baffle the main stream, yet when taken in the context that our current stab at civilization is not the first run here, but at least the 5 if not more times around, opens up many new trains of research and thought...
My line has been "Look closely, see clearly, think deeply, and choose wisely" for many years, which does require critical thinking and the ability to reason; one is lead to the thought that the majority either do not use either or else have been mind-numbed to the point of being oblivious to anything outside their small slice of here and now...
::) 8)
You are wise man Seeker.
Modern Archaeologists say that empires like the Mayans (As an Example) built all the huge structures like Cuzco and Macchu Pichu, but the Mayans themselves said that they were there when they arrived in the Americas.
Same with the Pyramids, Khufu supposedly built them, although no evidence exists that he did.
More likely when the Egyptians came to that region the Pyramids where already standing.
Previous versions of man?
Who knows how many failed attempts to make it work?
Quote from: zorgon on March 11, 2018, 07:07:44 AM
Personally I prefer the Green PILL
Seems few have considered that there is a THIRD option :P
(there was even a Green party last election :P )
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The Green Pill, that's a new one Zorgs.
Does it dye your pee green?
So the Red Pill removes all constraints on perception, the Blue Pill increases the constraints so you go even deeper into slavery, what does the green pill do?
Quote from: petrus4 on March 11, 2018, 04:06:40 PM
Egypt, Rome, the Inca, the Mayans. We know about them, but they're extinct. Though I assume you mean global civilisations, yes?
Yes Petrus, like the ones that built Balbek and left those huge Foundation stones that subsequent civs built on top of.
It was a World Wide communicating empire with the same religion.
Who knows how many restarts we have had?
Some may have even colonised the Moon and Mars.
Quote from: starwarp2000 on March 12, 2018, 01:37:29 AM
You are wise man Seeker.
Starwarp, I daresay there are many among us that would disagree with you 8)
QuoteModern Archaeologists say that empires like the Mayans (As an Example) built all the huge structures like Cuzco and Macchu Pichu, but the Mayans themselves said that they were there when they arrived in the Americas.
That is one of the major failings of modern archeology; everything to them, no matter how many years or generations info has been recorded or passed down thru each generation, is myth and fable according to them...
QuoteSame with the Pyramids, Khufu supposedly built them, although no evidence exists that he did.
According to the Kings' stele, located between the forepaws of the Sphinx, Khufu
found them buried in the sand and uncovered them...
QuoteMore likely when the Egyptians came to that region the Pyramids where already standing.
Yep 8) carved in stone for all to see, but that doesn't fit their narrow view of things ::)
QuotePrevious versions of man?
Who knows how many failed attempts to make it work?
According to the Tibetan monks, this is the fifth incarnation of civilization that they know of; the Indian Vedas go back between 25,000-50,000 years; the "myths" of Atlantis, Lemuria, and Mu are deemed bull poop by the main stream Archeologists; I believe they need to eat more fiber and get their head out of their collective ass 8)
but just my opinion 8)
The green pills look a lot like Keflex.
Seeker is wise, in that he is still seeking.
Quote from: starwarp2000 on March 12, 2018, 01:44:07 AM
Yes Petrus, like the ones that built Balbek and left those huge Foundation stones that subsequent civs built on top of.
Ah yes. The good old Quaritch Doctrine.
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One of the major lessons of my own current lifetime, is learning to remember that the value of life is not necessarily supposed to be quantified purely by physical achievements, but is instead meant to be lived for its' own sake, regardless of whether you end up becoming a billionaire or building giant stone monuments or not. The Left have their own destructive distortions, to be sure; but this is one of the Right's.
I love Egypt. Yet that doesn't prevent me from also being objective about it. The very word "hierarchy," is derived from "hierophant," which was the Greek word for the Egpytian priests.
That sandstone didn't get there by itself. Modern forensic science has been able to identify the injuries of the skeletons of the workers who put it there. Likewise, the first Emperor of China eventually experienced revolution, due to the number of his people who were dying in the construction of his tomb complex. Every great antique stone monument that exists, also serves as a monument to the misery of those who constructed it. We generally don't focus on that part.
I think monuments can often still be good things; and I think we should build more of them. Yet one of the greatest blessings of machine automation, will be that no one will need to suffer or die in the construction of them.
I'm obviously nonworld traveller, but I wasn't aware of things like puma puku or anything like that until I I was 14 or 15 and my uncle let me read his national geography mags. Nothing like that was ever taught in school, other than the occasional "well the Egyptians built the pyramids and the Aztecs built this". No one ever attempted to explain how people who hunted with sticks and rocks etched complex designs deep into rocks. I guess I just assumed that's how it was and was too young to question it. Now as an adult, and see all the facts, I'm embarrassed for our education system. Excuse me if I over generalized the subject.
Quote from: No_Signal on March 13, 2018, 06:09:26 AM
I'm obviously nonworld traveller, but I wasn't aware of things like puma puku or anything like that until I I was 14 or 15 and my uncle let me read his national geography mags. Nothing like that was ever taught in school, other than the occasional "well the Egyptians built the pyramids and the Aztecs built this". No one ever attempted to explain how people who hunted with sticks and rocks etched complex designs deep into rocks. I guess I just assumed that's how it was and was too young to question it. Now as an adult, and see all the facts, I'm embarrassed for our education system. Excuse me if I over generalized the subject.
I agree, the general education curriculum available in the US really blows,and I am sure it has went downhill since I was in school (I am a boomer) I didn't encounter any of the really intriguing aspects of history until I started college,then was amazed at the lack of information given at the high school level versus the overload of info I had to wade thru during my first semester, being more in the first three months than in grades 6 thru 12(and that was just in history)...and this was long before the advent of readily available computers, we read books,lots and lots of them
You must also consider that the average person is so focused on normal everyday life that involves or utilizes very little of anything they were taught in school beyond the fourth grade, that one year after high school the majority of what they "learned" has slipped into their past to gather dust...
seeker