Pablo Tisch
March 9 · 2018
Old corroded metal plate on Mars!
Lots of stuff laying around as CURIOSITY tantalizes your curiosity!
(https://scontent.flas1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28958541_1633873800032781_7485986911547293696_n.jpg?oh=9a3d3fcbb700806a2001f4fe21a1e8c0&oe=5B49843D)
(https://scontent.flas1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29103343_1635126336574194_1367777509877219328_n.jpg?oh=77fd6fc291eef7b078e35146d567a162&oe=5AFFD930)
(https://scontent.flas1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28959151_1635011256585702_891943172689625088_n.jpg?oh=2fe56918497fcbfa212324eb7db33fc1&oe=5B47DD94)
http://www.gigapan.com/gigapans/153866
Sol 601 Curiosity was taking pictures of salt crusts
(https://mars.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/proj/msl/redops/ods/surface/sol/00601/opgs/edr/ncam/NLB_450846298EDR_S0310724NCAM00552M_-br2.jpg)
Sol 603 Salt crusts Tire for scale This image was taken by Navcam: Left B (NAV_LEFT_B) onboard NASA's Mars rover Curiosity on Sol 603 (2014-04-17 17:28:39 UTC).
(https://mars.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/proj/msl/redops/ods/surface/sol/00603/opgs/edr/ncam/NLB_451027086EDR_F0311094NCAM00354M_-br2.jpg)
This looks like molten slag to me.
This indicates that some of the rust on Mars was exposed to heat high enough to melt it at some point. I didn't know this previously, but according to Ask an Atheist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanology_of_Mars), Mars apparently does have the largest volcanoes in the solar system.
I thought the Cydonian Face was interesting; but I think the only way this supports the idea of ancient Martians, is by implying that if they did exist, some of them might have been blacksmiths. ;)
Quote from: zorgon on March 11, 2018, 08:58:21 AM
Sol 601 Curiosity was taking pictures of salt crusts
They look almost exactly like the sand plates I used to do on the beach when I was a kid. :)
I would make a flat spot on the sand, spread a little of water over it and waited until it dried. Then I would pick up those thing plates very carefully, trying not to break them.
Kids spend time doing strange things. :)
Hnnn okay so those do look like salt slabs :P
But THIS ONE doesn't
COSMIC SECRETS
The Enigmas on Mars 83
A Piece of Tangled Sheet metal Debris Found on Mars?
Odd Anomaly on Mars
PIA 20333 Curiosity Mast Cam SOL 1284
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars6/Curiosity/PIA20333/PIA20333-001.jpg)
CLIP - Mars: How about a piece of sheet metal debris from an explosion laying on the surface?
Certainly a funny looking rock... ~ Pablo Tisch
PIA20333: Northern Portion of Gale Crater Rim
Viewed from 'Naukluft Plateau'
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars6/Curiosity/PIA20333/PIA20333-Small.jpg)
Mars Science Laboratory (MSL) Curiosity Mastcam
PProduced By: Malin Space Science Systems
Full-Res TIFF: PIA20333.tif (29.32 MB) ~ Full-Res JPEG: PIA20333.jpg (1.072 MB)
This early-morning view from the Mast Camera (Mastcam) on NASA's Curiosity Mars rover covers a field of view of about 130 degrees of the inner wall of Gale Crater. It was acquired during a period when there was very little dust or haze in the atmosphere, so conditions were optimal for long-distance imaging. The right side of the image fades into the glare of the rising sun.
Mastcam's right-eye camera, which has a telephoto lens, took the component images on March 16, 2016, during the 1,284th sol, or Martian day, of Curiosity's work on Mars. The rover's location was on the "Naukluft Plateau" of lower Mount Sharp, inside Gale Crater. The view spans from west-northwest on the left to northeast on the right. Details of the morphology (shape and pattern of features) on the wall, which include gullies, channels and debris fans help geologists understand the processes that have shaped the crater and transported sediments -- sand, pebbles and larger rocks -- down to the floor of the crater. Some of the foothills show layers morphologically not unlike the layers Curiosity is exploring near the base of Mount Sharp, suggesting that the crater was filled along the north wall with sediments that have in large part now been eroded away, much as happened closer to Mount Sharp.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars6/Curiosity/PIA20333/PIA2033-Closeup.png)
The scene is presented with a color adjustment that approximates white balancing, to resemble how the terrain would appear under daytime lighting conditions on Earth.
Figure 1 includes labels on three peaks of the crater wall, for scale and position reference. The peak labeled "A," near the left end of the panorama, is at azimuth 291.8 degrees east of north and 18.1 miles (29.1 kilometers) away from the rover's position. It rises about 6,200 feet (1,900 meters) above the closest point on the floor of the crater. Peak "B," at azimuth 357.2 degrees east of north (or 2.8 degrees from north), is about 17.6 miles (28.4 kilometers) away and rises about 3,900 feet (1,200 meters) above the base of its foothills. Peak "C," at azimuth 33.6 degrees east of north, is about 27.3 miles (45.5 kilometers) distant and rises about 6,200 feet (1,900 meters) above the base of its foothills.
NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, manages the Mars Science Laboratory Project for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. JPL designed and built the project's Curiosity rover and its Navcam. For more information about Curiosity, visit http://www.nasa.gov/msl and http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl.
Photojournal Note: The main image is also available in full resolution TIFF file PIA20333_full.tif. This file may be too large to view from a browser; it can be downloaded onto your desktop by right-clicking on the previous link and viewed with image viewing software.
Image Credit:
NASA/JPL-Caltech/MSSS
Image Addition Date:
2016-04-27
SOURCE: NASA
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Mars_Images_83_Sheet_Metal.html
Looks slightly less like a sheet in the original photo.
(colours "stretched")
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1284MR0060380640304413C00_DRCX_0PCT.jpg)
As I've been told many, many times...'It's just a rock'.... ::) ;D
In this case I think it's two rocks.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 06, 2018, 10:19:43 PM
In this case I think it's two rocks.
How does even remotely look like a rock :P
The next person that says "It's a rock" will be required to provide documentation proving they are an expert on identifying rocks :P
Well you're the rock hound, what kind of rock is it? Bwbwbabahahahah 8)
Quote from: zorgon on April 07, 2018, 02:38:07 AM
How does even remotely look like a rock :P
I said
two rocks. In fact, two rocks and a background rock.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1284MR0060380640304413C00_DRCX_0PCT.gif)
QuoteThe next person that says "It's a rock" will be required to provide documentation proving they are an expert on identifying rocks :P
I hope you apply that to every topic on the forum, so people talking about timeline shifts will be required to provide documentation proving they are experts in that field. :P
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 07, 2018, 03:00:30 AM
Well you're the rock hound, what kind of rock is it? Bwbwbabahahahah 8)
The rock in that region is sedimentary rock, similar to the red sandstones out here in the Nevada Desert. In fact it is so similar that it could have been taken out here :P
:o
The object in question is TOO SMOOTH to be sandstone and too bright. It is at least an OOART :P
The Martian "Blue Berries" are Hematite Concretions almost exactly like the Moqui Marbles found in Utah by the thousands same as the Blue berries. Hematite is a bluish/shiny black iron mineral that forms spheres. However the marble concretions are a mix of iron and sand stone. They are larger on earth because we have more water... but they are (were) formed by water
The earlier picture I posted are salt crusts I have similar ones in my collection. You should chech livingmoon pages for "Rock Hunting with Spirit and opportunity Rover"
Here are the Moqui marbles in Utah They are more brown because Utah still gets rain..
(http://blog.catherinemerle.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/moqui3.jpg)
Here is one of the Blue berries... Same exact sandstone terrain same hematite concretions only these are more blue because there is little to no water on Mars now
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars4/Opportunity_Sol_037/Sol_035_1P131296782ESF0500P2142L234567M1.JPG)
Here is another one onEasrth... they are more blueish as they were not exposed to weather
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars/Mars_Blueberries.jpg)
The reason NASA calls them Blue Berries is because some stupid scientist was eating a Blue Berry muffin at the time they first saw the images and he said it looked similar :P
As for pieces of metal and other debris on Mars, NASA has literred it and the moon with so much debris, why is it so hard to believe we might actually see some of it in photos near where the spacecraft landed?
:P
::)
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 07, 2018, 03:00:30 AM
Bwbwbabahahahah 8)
Ah I see using TROLL tactics now eh? Who are you and what have you done with the REAL Sgt? :P
I have MANY photos of the SALT BEDS on mars dug up by the rovers. There is literally tons of salt which means at one time there was a lot of water up there
All the dry lake beds out here are mostly salt flats... here is one image that has some water left but you can see the salts concentrating as it drys up
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/756/20641394618_e4e2e7bd6a_b.jpg)
This is actually a PERFECT picture to show how those thin salt crusts form. Just add a littlre NASA RED TINT and Voila... you have mars :P (actually this image is too blue anyway, it doesn't look that blue out here :P
This is a little closer Looks a lot more Mard Like :P That is all salt in the foreground... I DO notice though that NASA has given up over tinting their photos with that red dye :P and the sky is more blue/grey now as it should be
(http://www.sangres.com/dimages/utah/blm01/bonneville_salt_flats01.jpg)
(https://mars.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/proj/msl/redops/ods/surface/sol/00601/opgs/edr/ncam/NLB_450846298EDR_S0310724NCAM00552M_-br2.jpg)
Closer images of the sandstone layers on Mars
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars/Sol749B_P2545_1_True_RAD-B787R1.jpg)
Same sandstone layers on Earth Vermillion Cliff Arizona.
(http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/255b19fa38a7485c9a2b825c56b41056/layered-sandstone-outcrops-south-coyote-buttes-vermillion-cliff-arizona-fya5bw.jpg)
had to use this one with the logo as most photographers only catch the pretty stuff, but this one matched the terrain better.
But out here the sandstone really IS red LOL That is why names like vermillion Cliffs and Red Rock Canyon
basically the red is RUST iron oxide
hematite is Blue/Black in formation, but if you cut it on a saw it 'bleeds' bright red
Also it is amazing what WIND can do to sand stone
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e8/79/94/e87994c07c0b0a748735a7d789becf56.jpg)
Quote from: zorgon on April 07, 2018, 09:31:52 PM
I DO notice though that NASA has given up over tinting their photos with that red dye :P and the sky is more blue/grey now as it should be
Not really, this is the original photo.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1284MR0060380640304413C00_DRCX_0PCT_2.jpg)
Quote from: ArMaP on April 07, 2018, 10:00:10 PM
Not really, this is the original photo.
Well I just pulled THIS photo off the NASA website AS IS
10.02.2015
Mount Sharp Comes In Sharply
This composite image looking toward the higher regions of Mount Sharp was taken on September 9, 2015, by NASA's Curiosity rover. In the foreground -- about 2 miles (3 kilometers) from the rover -- is a long ridge teeming with hematite, an iron oxide. Just beyond is an undulating plain rich in clay minerals. And just beyond that are a multitude of rounded buttes, all high in sulfate minerals. The changing mineralogy in these layers of Mount Sharp suggests a changing environment in early Mars, though all involve exposure to water billions of years ago. The Curiosity team hopes to be able to explore these diverse areas in the months and years ahead. Further back in the image are striking, light-toned cliffs in rock that may have formed in drier times and now is heavily eroded by winds.
They use the term 'White balanced" but we do that on all our photos too to get them to look right for posting on Ebay. Point is they do show them with blue sky now :P
(https://mars.nasa.gov/imgs/2015/10/mars-msl-gale-crater-mt-sharp-soil-layers-pia19912-br2.jpg)
https://mars.nasa.gov/msl//multimedia/images/?ImageID=7496
"White balance" is the right term, as it means to change the colours to make white appear as white. And yes, they now do it more frequently then they did before, I suppose because many people post white balance images in many sites, me included. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on April 07, 2018, 10:32:10 PM
"White balance" is the right term, as it means to change the colours to make white appear as white.
Well shouldn't white appear as white? LOL Isn't that why they put a color chart on the Rovers?
Why would you want to make white look red and then try to convince people that is right :P
Silly NASA I still remeber the LAVA ORANGE they used for radar images of Venus :P And themn they wounder why no one takes NASA seriously?
Blue berries indeed... how very 'scientific' :P