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BREAKING NEWS

Zeta Reticuli 2  Robert Bigelow, Bob Lazar and Gene Huff

Last night I was over at John's house and one of the things we discussed was this Bigelow/Harry Reid/ Pentagon UFO release.

John showed me a paper on a company called Zeta Reticuli 2  a Nevada Company formed by Robert Bigelow of Bigelow Aerospace....

Now there has been a lot of talk about this company, whether it was real or not, and many have tried to find the papers to prove it.

But before we get into that... John told me what happened.

It appears that when Robert tried to set up Bob in the lab at that big house just south of me on Eastern Ave, Bob figured it was better if he took it home to work on it there... That didn't go over so well with robert and he closed the company before it really got off the ground..

Here is Bigelow's place on Eastern A gorgeous HUGE Tudor style mansion

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Bigelow/Bigelow-001.png)

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(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Bigelow/Bigelow-003.png)

So as to that company...  :D

Now I wasn't quite ready to make this post yet as I haven't done the original post on Pegasus Research Consortium yet buy Issac Isaac Koi, a good friend and fellow researcher from the good old days at ATS made a post yesterday that force my hand. Now imagine the coincidence that we are both working on this at the same time :D The post in question is this one https://www.facebook.com/isaac.koi/posts/10210647041441830

I will quote Issac for reference

Quote"Isaac Koi: Christopher O'Brien - Yeah, I've had the same problem so far. At the moment, I have a few brief references online and in print - including by Bill Moore in his "Focus" magazine in March 1991 - to a corporation named "Zeta-Reticuli 2" (or, depending on the source, some minor variation on that name) in which Bigelow was allegedly involved with Lazar. Gene Huff, Glenn Campbell and John Lear have written about it in the most detail. The Nevada online register of companies (which possibly doesn't go back far enough or cover all types of corporate entities...) doesn't seem to have documents on a company with that name"

Well without further ado.... John gave me a COPY of the paper that everyone is searching for... and you are getting it before I even post it on our own website :D (Though it will be there as soon as I finish this post :P )

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Bigelow/Zeta%20Reticuli%20Corp%20EIN%20App.jpg)

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Craig Brown: I find it particularly ironic that the form is entitled SS-4 😂
Its like the form knew Bob.

Isaac Koi

Thanks Ron. I can now cross one (of about 198...) item off my list of things to check about Bigelow.

Ron Schmidt

Hi Issac I thought you were wrapping up your UFO files :P I am surprised though you are just now looking at this :D Your welcome and you are saving me a lot of work too....

Isaac Koi

Cheers. I am wrapping up... :) This stuff relates to one of my loose ends. I had hoped to hear back from John Lear when I posted on his Facebook page a few days ago, but this document (and John's posts online over the years on this topic) will probably suffice in relation to this particular company.

Ron Schmidt

Issac John has been on pain medication for years that were killing him and he is finally off the prescription opioids so he is getting better He likely missed your post or forgot who you were I will fix that :D I copied these posts to John's page just now Perhaps continue this over there :D https://www.facebook.com/JohnOlsenLear/posts/597571810635376

Isaac Koi

I'm sorry to hear about John's health/medication problems. We interacted a little bit on ATS years ago, but haven't had any contact at all in ages.

Craig Brown
So the new company whose business is listed as 'research' was formed in 1990. That's right after he left S4 isn't it? Pretty sure his interview with George Knapp was 1989.

Ron Schmidt
Yup

Craig Brown
So did Bigelow watch all this unfold and then think - hey, I need to get that guy to come help me do research?

Ron Schmidt
I think Robert badly wants a Flying Saucer to reverse engineer... Seems like Bob 'had the goods' :P according to Knapp's story

Craig Brown
Did you guys know about all this, or are you just finding all this now?

Ron Schmidt
Well we knew a lot but John was holding those paper on me LOL. Gene Huff is a regular visitor at John's house. Don't forget that John was ill several years and his memory wasn't doing so well. Ever since the Kratom he is as sharp as ever.

We did a "Camelot for Kid's" Charity event... some of Robert's grand kids sitting in my Thrones :D

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Gene Huff, Kerry Cassidy, Kim Greenhouse, myself and daughter were at John's 75th Birthday last December.. Bob popped in via Skype... George Knapp stopped by with his puppy Jeremy (4 Names) Corbell :P Several others there but won't mention names :D John Lenard Walson will be here shortly, that will be interesting :D Said he will buy me and John diner at the Top of the Stratosphere :D

(I will mention those other names here at Pegasus shortly :P)

Robert Bigelow has been very serious about the whole UFO thing for years what with NIDS and the AVIARY birds like Hal Puthoff and Col.John Alexander... but we feel that he is being USED with this whole Pentagon UFO/ Harry Reid deal. So far Robert has had no comment on all this that I have seen.

I will update this as the other posts come in LOL I am expecting a flood :P

Coincidence?

What was really odd is that Issac just posted the Bigelow stuff yesterday... the very day I was talking with john about it 

Here are a few of Issac's recent related posts. I have copied only relevant posts removing the 'noise'

For those that don't know Issac Koi is a very serious and long time UFO researcher who posted a lot at ATS. Has his own website but I don't have that handy just this minute. i will add it later.

Issac has decided to wrap up his UFO work, sort of retire LOL, but as he said he hates loose ends.

Isaac Koi:

March 21 at 7:33pm ·
Bob Lazar and Gene Huff's video "The Lazar Tape and Excerpts from the Government Bible" (1991) : I came across a high quality copy of this video on Youtube while looking into links between Robert Bigelow and Robert Lazar. (I've previously only seen a rather poor quality copy of it).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UitiwiLpvKw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxaJq1428hM

Isaac Koi:

Yeah, I've just been looking at a list of those today. :) I've saved the link below as something I need to look into. https://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/huff-gene/6708

Extracts from Lazar's May 1989 interview by George Knapp are included in this follow-up (November 1989??) broadcast :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlpdRmaby_Y

Isaac Koi:

March 23 at 11:37am ·
Bigelow pre-1989? : Can anyone point to any involvement of Robert Bigelow in ufology prior to November 1989 (apart from in relation to the sightings by his grandparents)? November 1989 is currently the approximate earliest date I have in relation to Bigelow's involvement in ufology and his funding of various individuals/groups.

Taff Derek Baker:

Recent DarkJournalist uploads. I can't remember which one has the most details about Bigelow but Grant Cameron said a fair amount

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqOdHprLVQnHhE8FmIY3Yzg

Isaac Koi:

Cheers Taff Derek Baker. I do follow Grant Cameron's work. Although I disagree with some of his conclusions, we have been done many of the same roads. :)

Marilyn Carlson:

Lets check the Elainedouglassfiles.com. She had quite A bit on the early years of Mufon and Bigelow. She even had a list of companies started by Bigelow

Isaac Koi:

Thanks for the tip Marilyn Carlson. I've found some of Elaine's files on Bigelow at the links below : (1) Elaine Douglas file "Bigelow Business" http://elainedouglassfiles.com/Bigelow%20Business%20(1).html

Marilyn Carlson:

Yes we are the ones who started that website. 😊

Isaac Koi:

(2) Elaine Douglas file "Bigelow" http://elainedouglassfiles.com/Bigelow%20(2).html

Sample pages from Elaine's files :

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(3) Elaine Douglas file "NIDS" http://elainedouglassfiles.com/NIDS.html

Patrick Allen:

Hi Isaac there is info here about Bigelow ...

http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/03/harry-reid-on-what-the-government-knows-about-ufos.html

Isaac Koi

March 24 at 6:48pm ·
AATIP : Which DIA office was it under? Was is the Defense Warning Office (DWO)? (My item which covers some issues on metamaterials / Bigelow has to at least touch on AATIP, but I don't have very much time to dig into AATIP at present so I just want some basic facts and documentation...).

Michael Jeppesen:

According to Wikipedia, the program began in DIA in 2007 and ended there in 2012. Don't know if thats true or not...

"It was run by a military intelligence official, Luis Elizondo, on the fifth floor of the Pentagon's C Ring, deep within the building's maze. "

Very X-Files like! :-D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Aviation_Threat_Identification_Program

Isaac Koi

March 24 at 12:05pm ·
AATIP/Bigelow - Have any of you interacted with any of the following 15 people (particularly in the mid-2009 to mid-2010 period)? (1) Robert Bush, (2) Guy Carroll, (3) Jennifer Drucker, (4) Paul Jantzen, (5) Colm Kelleher (yes, co-author of "Hunt for the Skinwalker"), (6) Timothy Koonce, (7) Douglas Kurth, (8) Tess Lee, (9) Pamela Loftis, (10) Joel Logan, (11) Scott Lohrke, (12) Miguel Rodriguez, (13) Francis Rupp, (14) Pamela Sprague, (15) Jason Viggato.

Apart from Colm Kelleher, I haven't seen much on the others in UFO literature to date. Michael Lee Hill and a few others have mentioned Gary Hernandez, e.g. at: http://www.michaelleehill.net/update-more-confirmation-of-.../ http://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/.../baass-lending-insight-...

I'll probably need to add most of the above names to the item I'm drafting.

The section giving a brief overview of Bigelow's involvement in UFO research (Section G3) currently includes the following sub-sections (which needs to be updated in the light of, among other things, some documents in the Elaine Douglass files helpfully mentioned by Marilyn Carlson yesterday) :

i. Section G3a : Introduction

ii. Section G3b : Sighting by Bigelow's grandparents

iii. Section G3c : Pre-1992 involvement in UFO research
1. Section G3c(i) : Bob Lazar (circa 1990)
2. Section G3c(ii) : Len Stringfield's Roswell retrieval research (circa 1990)
3. Section G3c(iii) : Roper Poll (1991-1992)
4. Section G3c(iv) : Other UFO research pre-1992

iv. Section G3d : Involvement in 1992 onwards
1. Section G3d(i) : MIT alien abduction conference (1992)
2. Section G3d(ii) : Mental health professionals training (circa 1992)
3. Section G3d (iii) : Bigelow Foundation (1992 to circa 1995)
4. Section G3d (iv) : Triad Research Conference Foundation (1993)
5. Section G3d (v) : UFORC (CUFOS, FUFOR and MUFON) (1994-1995)
6. Section G3d (vi) : NIDS (1995 to 2004)
7. Section G3d (vii) : Skinwalker Ranch (1996 onwards)
8. Section G3d (viii) : Science Fiction Channel initiative
9. Section G3d (ix) : John Carpenter files
10. Section G3d (x) : MUFON contract
11. Section G3d (xi) : AATIP
12. Section G3d (xii) : Connections with various individuals/groups
a. Jan Aldrich
b. John B. Alexander, Ph.D.,
c. Victoria Alexander
d. Mary Allman
e. Susan Bedell
f. Art Bell
g. Don Berliner
h. Bigelow Aerospace
i. Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies, LLC, ("BAASS")
j. Bigelow Foundation
k. Warren Burggren, Ph.D.
l. Denise Carpenter
m. John Carpenter
n. James Carrion
o. Bill Chalker
p. Michael Chorost
q. Bruce Cornet
r. Phil Corso
s. CUFOS
t. Eric W. Davis, Ph.D.
u. Chad Deetken
v. John Edmonds
w. Federal Aviation Authority ("FAA")
x. Douglas P. Ferraro, Ph.D.
y. Mindy Floyd
z. Connie Fox-VanHorne
aa. Stanton Friedman
bb. FUFOR
cc. Christopher ("Kit") Green
dd. Richard Hall
ee. Albert A. Harrison, Ph.D.
ff. Gary Hernandez
gg. Budd Hopkins
hh. Linda Moulton Howe
ii. David Jacobs
jj. Colm A. Kelleher, Ph.D.,
kk. George Knapp
ll. Marcel Kuijsten
mm. Bob Lazar
nn. Roger Leir
oo. John Mack
pp. Edgar Mitchell, Ph.D.
qq. Melvin Morse, M.D.
rr. MUFON
ss. NIDS
tt. James Oberg
uu. George E. Onet, DVM, Ph.D
vv. Martin Piltch, Ph.D.
ww. Roger Pinson
xx. Dave E. Pritchard
yy. Harold E. Puthoff, Ph.D.
zz. Dean Radin
aaa. Theodore (Ted) Rockwell, D.Sc.
bbb. Chris Rutkowski
ccc. John F. Schuessler, M.S.
ddd. Science Fiction Channel's physical evidence initiative
eee. Terry Sherman
fff. Derrel Sims
ggg. Angela Thompson Smith
hhh. Yvonne Smith
iii. Leonard H. Stringfield
jjj. Michael Swords
kkk. Triad Research Conference Foundation
lll. UFORC
mmm. Bill Uhouse
nnn. Jessica Utts, Ph.D.
ooo. Gabe Valdez
ppp. Jacques Vallee, Ph.D.
qqq. Brian Vike
rrr. Walter Webb
sss. Ron Westrum
ttt. Jim Whinnery, M.D., Ph.D.
uuu. Zeta-Reticuli 2 Inc


Update! – More Confirmation of Bigelow Aerospace Involvement In The Lake Erie Mass UFO Sightings!   

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http://www.michaelleehill.net/update-more-confirmation-of-bigelow-aerospace-involvement-in-the-lake-erie-mass-ufo-sightings/

Robert Sheaffer:

" "...Mr. Bigelow hired Mufon to try and capture a UFO on the ground so he can back engineering it to transport people in space...This is the truth and no exaggeration!" Denise M. Stoner, Chief Investigator Florida – Mufon State Section Director"

If true, this explains Bigelow's obsession with gathering UFO reports. He thinks he will eventually be able to capture one!!

Christopher O'Brien:

I seem to remember hearing that Biggy and Lazar had created some kind of NV -based company back in the early '90s (?) I forget why, or what it was, but maybe someone can help out and confirm this recollection...
Manage

Isaac Koi

Lazar and Zeta Reticuli 2 Inc are both on the list already (for the November 1989 to 1990 period). But I'd still like some documents in relation to that company. Gene Huff, Glenn Campbell and a few others have written about the company.

Christopher O'Brien:

Isaac Koi I looked for NV incorporation filings but never confirmed anything...

Isaac Koi:

Christopher O'Brien - Yeah, I've had the same problem so far. At the moment, I have a few brief references online and in print - including by Bill Moore in his "Focus" magazine in March 1991 - to a corporation named "Zeta-Reticuli 2" (or, depending on the source, some minor variation on that name) in which Bigelow was allegedly involved with Lazar. Gene Huff, Glenn Campbell and John Lear have written about it in the most detail. The Nevada online register of companies (which possibly doesn't go back far enough or cover all types of corporate entities...) doesn't seem to have documents on a company with that name:

https://nvsos.gov/sosentitysearch/

Susan Bedell:

Are any of these available to read now? If so, I would like to see the John Carpenter files.

Isaac Koi:

Isaac Koi Hi Susan - The item I'm writing will cover some of the story relating to Bigelow's purchase of copies of John Carpenter's files about UFO abductees. I do not have those files themselves.

Gimbal: The First Official UAP Footage from the USG for Public Release
To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science
Published on Dec 16, 2017

Exclusive analysis brought to you by To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science. Gimbal is the first of three US military videos of unidentified aerial phenomenon (UAP) that has been through the official declassification review process of the United States government and has been approved for public release. This footage, and all official USG footage you will see on TTS Academy's community of interest (COI), comes with essential chain-of-custody documentation validating that it is received in its original and unaltered form and is authentic. The US Department of Defense uses this process in order to meticulously ensure that information and material retain their integrity without revealing sources and methods. This documentation is what sets this footage apart from anything else that has made its way to the public domain, by establishing its authenticity and thereby giving it enormous historical significance.

Read the full analysis of what you are observing in the video on our community of interest:

https://coi.tothestarsacademy.com/gimbal/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf1uLwUTDA0

FLIR1: Official UAP Footage from the USG for Public Release
To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science
Published on Dec 16, 2017

Exclusive analysis brought to you by To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science: FLIR1 is the second of three US military videos of unidentified aerial phenomenon (UAP) that has been through the official declassification review process of the United States government and approved for public release. It is the only official footage captured by a US navy F/A-18 Super Hornet present at the 2004 Nimitz incident off the coast of San Diego. Like Gimbal, this footage comes with crucial chain-of-custody (CoC) documentation because it is a product of US military sensors, which confirms it is original, unaltered, and not computer generated or artificially fabricated. While there have been leaked versions on the internet, the CoC establishes the authenticity and credibility that this version is the original footage taken from one of the most advanced sensor tracking devices in use.

Read further analysis of what is being observed in the video on our community of interest: coi.tothestarsacademy.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rWOtrke0HY

Go Fast: Official USG Footage of UAP for Public Release
To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science
Published on Mar 9, 2018

GO FAST is the third of three official USG videos selected for release after official review by multiple government organizations. While To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science was the first to obtain a copy, it should be available to any member of the press or public via the Freedom of Information Act.  This footage was captured by a U.S. Navy F/A-18 Super Hornet using the Raytheon ATFLIR Pod that was being operated by a highly trained aerial observer and weapons system operator whom the government has spent millions of dollars to train.  Go Fast reveals a Navy encounter that occurred off the East Coast of the United States in 2015 and the object in view remains unidentified.

Read further analysis of what is being observed in Go Fast by our team of experts including additional videos and reports on our community of interest: coi.tothestarsacademy.com.

It is the mission of To The Stars Academy to support underfunded areas of research that could lead to a better understanding of scientific anomalies and breakthrough discoveries in technology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxVRg7LLaQA

Harry Reid on What the Government Knows About UFOs
By Eric Benson

QuoteYesterday, we outlined thirteen reasons to take recent reports of UFOs and extraterrestrial life seriously, including a chat with former Senate majority leader Harry Reid about the government's research into the topic. Here, an extended version of that conversation.

Hi, this is Eric Benson from New York Magazine.
Hi, Eric. Why do you want to talk to me?

Well, because of the New York Times article and the program that you helped bring about.
Well, I'm happy to talk to you. Just let me preface this by saying this, if we're here to talk about little green men or stuff that you want to look at that was found in New Mexico or something, I'm not interested. If you're here to talk about science, I'm happy to do that. I'm really glad to do that. I'm glad somebody is interested, because it's a subject that is being terribly neglected, so I'm happy to talk to you.

Reasons to Believe
13 Reasons to Believe Aliens Are Real
Great. Well, I don't want to talk to you about little green men.
Okay.

One thing I am curious about, though, is just where your interest in this subject comes from.
That's pretty easy. When I first got out of law school many, many years ago, in the mid-'60s, I worked with three other lawyers. A big case we had was a case involving a bunch of rich Las Vegas businessmen. They went into L.A. International Airport, tried to take off, and the plane crashed and killed them all. It was a very interesting case. It went to Supreme Court, a mistrial declared, hung jury, went on for years.

One of the people who was killed in that plane crash was a guy by the name of Bigelow. He was not as wealthy, but he was a wealthy man in Las Vegas who ran a carpet company, Bigelow Carpet. His son was 18 years old when that crash occurred. He's a central figure in all this. I didn't know him, but when he was a young man, he heard a story from his grandparents about driving down from Mt. Charleston — that's a 12,000-foot mountain just ten miles out of Las Vegas — where they saw something in the air. This so-called flying saucer, for lack of a better description. It piqued his curiosity.

He became a very wealthy man. I mean extremely wealthy. During the time that he had some money, he said, "I would like to know more about this." He would have, several times a year, at his big office here in Las Vegas — knew how to make money buying and selling real estate. He would pay for these seminars, these conferences, and he would bring in scientists, academics, and a few nut cases. That's a bad way of talking about some people, but, you know — people who were really, in my opinion, kind of on the fringes.

Probably the No. 1 TV journalist in Nevada was a guy by the name of George Knapp. He and I were friends. He had known me for years. He said to me one day, "Hey, I know this guy Bigelow, he's interested in a subject, I don't know if you have any interest in it all, but you should get to know him. He's got a lot of money. He's kind of an interesting guy. I'll introduce you. You'll go to one of those little deals and spend a few hours with him."

MORE HERE

http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/03/harry-reid-on-what-the-government-knows-about-ufos.html

Posted by John Lear:

Harry Reid (former Senator from Nevada) prefaced his comment to Eric Benson of New York Magazine with this comment:

"Just let me preface this by saying this, if we're here to talk about little green men or stuff that you want to look at that was found in New Mexico or something, I'm not interested."

I'm just wondering here does this mean that Harry is so ignorant about little green men that he dismisses the 51 page regression of Myrna Hanson by Dr. Leo Sprinkle as nonsense? Because thats what I get.

So the Pentagon is going to give $22 million dollars of our hard earned taxpayers dollars to someone who doesn't want to address one of the most important issues of our time?

And what would Harry Reid call unscientific about the regression?
Maybe Reid prefers to call his flying 'tic tacs' and radar 'blobs' scientific? A flying tic tac?

Just a suggestion Harry: before you go flying off the handle labeling 'little green men' unscientific you might want to read the Myrna Hanson regression about little green men and consider making a full apology to them particularly in view of the fact that these 'little green men' are light years ahead of us in technology.

You f***ing moron.

For those who don't know, Harry Reid was directly responsible for John losing the mine to the BLM bulldozers because the papers John filed to renew the claim got 'lost' on Harry's desk until it was past the filing deadline.

This was a few years BEFORE Harry's involvement with the Bundy Ranch land grab.. which I am happy to say FAILED  The judge dropped all charges against the Bundy's

I will post all that in another thread, probably add to the one we started when that poop was hitting the oscillating blades :P

This position as the government's UFO disclosure guy is a joke, it's busy work to keep him out of their hair... and to cover up cash flowing to Bigelow Aerospace.

It is rumored that Bigelow has parts of crashed saucers hidden away at that house on Eastern

So far Robert has not been available for comment

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This is after the BLM Bulldozers came to John's mine... The Mine was just up the road that that the Bundy ranch is on.

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Good times up there, nice and cool in the summer heat at that altitude

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Rusty Hill, a BLM accountant, became a whistle blower on this whole mess.  I have been told that Rusty has passed away suddenly since this. Both John and I have tried to verify if he is dead... as it happened shortly after this was released. I think John said he saw an obituary so I will look for that. We had hoped to talk with Rusty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNGJXDuLkdI

Bigelow's Aerospace and Saucer Emporium

Quote But there is one space-related issue troubling Mr. Bigelow, one on which he feels the need to obtain, even at potentially great cost, the best counsel available: UFOs. It is not clear whether he fears that UFOs will interfere with his future orbiting hotel chain or if he believes that UFOs harbor some secrets of propulsion or anti-gravity that his engineers might someday be able to put to good use. Whichever it is, Bigelow has contracted MUFON, the largest UFO group in the U.S., with potentially very large sums of money for the pursuit of first-hand UFO information. Indeed, longtime UFO activist Ed Komarek is suggesting that Bigelow's goal is nothing less than an "alien reengineering project."

Bigelow has a long history in the matter of UFOs and "paranormal" subjects. He was the principal sponsor of the Las Vegas-based National Institute for Discovery Sciences (NIDS) from its founding in 1995 until it was placed on "inactive status" in 2004. The NIDS Web site is still up (http://www.nidsci.org) but apparently has not been updated since 2004. It reports on a number of UFO investigations, alleged cattle mutilations, and other far-out stuff. The best-known and most controversial project undertaken by NIDS was its purchase of a supposedly "haunted" ranch in Utah (reported in this column back in May/June 1998), which some describe as a "Hyperdimensional Portal Area" or "Stargate." The ranch is said to be infested by an alien or paranormal shape-shifting creature known as "Skinwalker," taking its name from Native American legends similar to European legends about werewolves. NIDS researchers investigated the ranch starting in 1996. They compiled an impressive collection of what might be termed "ghost stories" but, in spite of having access to sophisticated electronic equipment, failed to obtain any actual proof that anything unexplainable was going on. For a collection of wild claims and stories about this ranch, check out http://www.aliendave.com/UUFOH_TheRanch.html. Rumor has it that MUFON will now take over the investigation of this "haunted" place.

https://www.csicop.org/si/show/bigelows_aerospace_and_saucer_emporium

WHAT IS UP WITH THOSE PENTAGON UFO VIDEOS?

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According to a New York Times story, a secretive Pentagon program analyzed reports of UFOs. But the associated videos raise some questions.BILL CLARK/CQ ROLL CALL/GETTY IMAGES

ON DECEMBER 17, 2017, a newspaper printed a story titled "Real U.F.O.'s? Pentagon Unit Tried to Know." No, the headline wasn't surrounded by text about post-baby bods and B-listers' secret sorrows. Because it was on the front page of The New York Times.

The article describes a federally funded program that investigated reports of unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs, the take-me-seriously acronym that includes UFOs). And within the story, the Times embedded videos of two such UAPs.

Although the article was careful not to say that unidentified meant extraterrestrial, the Department of Defense acknowledged the program, and it was easy enough for readers to draw the conclusion that these videos could show alien aircraft. The Times supplemented one of the clips with a first-hand account of a Navy pilot who was sent to investigate "mysterious aircraft" that appeared—poof!—at 80,000 feet, dropped down to 20,000, and then seemed to hover before either leaving radar range or launching straight up. Weird, right?

The discovery, and federal acknowledgement, of a UFO of non-earthly origin would be revelatory—and the Times' scoop seemed to suggest that such a worldview-shifting scenario is at least not not-true. That the videos came courtesy of the Defense Department made it easier for readers to put faith in their validity.

"The video footage, in this case, is what captures people's imagination and is part of what made this case more compelling," says historian Greg Eghigian, a recent NASA and American Historical Association Fellow in Aerospace History.

But there are a few missing links in this narrative chain, links that need to be forged before anyone has enough information to accurately interpret these videos, let alone conclude they even remotely suggest anything extraterrestrial.

But wait, this story broke the news that the DOD had a secret UFO program and had released secret video! That's huge!

Here's what happened. About a decade ago, the Department of Defense inaugurated a UFO program, budgeted at $22 million according to the Times. It went by AATIP, for Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program, though the Times story refers to it as the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. Its purpose was to investigate flying foreign weapon threats—ones that exist now or could be developed in the next 40 years. The product of legislation cosponsored by senators Harry Reid of Nevada and Daniel Inouye of Hawaii, the program, according to Pentagon spokesperson Audricia Harris, was primarily executed through a contract with Bigelow Aerospace—a company owned by Reid's constituent and donor Robert Bigelow. (The wealthy businessman, who is best known for his inflatable space habitats, still owns a company called Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies, which has also researched UFO reports.)

The Pentagon program was run by Luis Elizondo, who told WIRED he took the lead position in 2010. (WIRED was unable to verify that Elizondo worked on AATIP, but Harris does confirm that he worked for the Defense Department.) The AATIP team, Elizondo says, took strange-sighting reports from pilots, as well as associated data like camera footage and radar returns, and tried to match them with known international aircraft signatures. "What we found many times was the fact that the aircraft did not belong to anybody," Elizondo says. Sometimes, he says, the craft displayed behavior the AATIP team couldn't explain.

Elizondo has become a kind of celebrity—in the wider world, arguably, but definitely in the UFO community. This week, those UFO researchers and enthusiasts and skeptics gathered in Fort McDowell, Arizona, for their annual International UFO Congress. And Elizondo, who had brought them closer to the capital-D Disclosure they've long sought, was supposed to be there. Instead, this evening at 6 pm Eastern, the Congress will show a prerecorded interview in which Elizondo will answer submitted questions from the community— "many of the questions that have gone unanswered," according to a press release.

People have been clamoring for those answers—and Elizondo characterizes himself as being all about the answers. He says he wanted, for instance, to speak more publicly about the crafts' non-nationality. "That fact is not something any government or institution should classify in order to keep secret from the people," Elizondo told the Times, and the website linked to his new venture makes reference to the declassification processes the films had to undergo. The Times portrays the program as "shadowy" and possessing "excessive secrecy."

But those are all funny things to say, because it doesn't seem like the Pentagon ever held the program's data or documents that close, and it doesn't seem like the videos in that story ever were classified.

"If they were officially declassified, they would have to have been officially classified," says Nate Jones, director of the Freedom of Information Act Project at the National Security Archive. And a classified video would likely have a marking at least at the beginning and end, even after it was okayed for public consumption. Someone—at the Times, at To The Stars—could have cut those introductory and closing seconds from the video, but why would they do that, when both groups were emphasizing the direct-from-DOD legitimacy of the videos? "It looks very strongly like these weren't released through any proper DOD declassification channels that I've ever seen," says Jones. "I've seen a lot of DOD declassification in response to FOIA, in response to mandatory declassification review, in response to proactive disclosure. And it doesn't look like this."

Here is, perhaps, why: While the details of the program weren't widely known, Harris says that the program files the Pentagon has pored over so far—Pentagon staffers have been reviewing AATIP documentation since around the time the Times story broke—were unclassified.

Of course, there are endless quibbles to be had over classification. Elizondo, for his part, clarified to WIRED that he didn't believe the videos themselves were ever classified: They were just stored on a classified system. Either way, though, it seems that they made their way into the world without the typical release process, which the Department of Defense requires of "all documents that are submitted for official public release."

Information is classified, according to the National Archives, if its improper release would present a national security problem. So why would a secret program looking at aerial anomalies—"aerodynamic vehicles engaged in extreme maneuvers, with unique phenomenology," says Harris—remain unclassified? Sounds like those UAPs weren't so threatening after all.

Well, fine. But the videos were still part of the program, even if they weren't classified. It even says right there: "Courtesy of US Department of Defense."

It's true, that's what the December Times story says about the videos. But there are two important things to know about that credit.

First of all, Harris maintains the Pentagon isn't the source of the videos. "The official who is authorized to release this video on behalf of DOD did not approve the release of this video," she says. She's adamant: "I stand firm that we did not release those videos."

Which means that although the videos may have originated within the DOD, which Harris acknowledges they may have, there's no public proof or Pentagon acknowledgement of their association with AATIP. Of course, perhaps the Pentagon wants it that way. In the 1950s, according to a book by investigative journalist Annie Jacobsen, the CIA's Psychological Strategy Board concluded that the public's potential reaction to UFOs (belief, followed by hysteria) constituted a national security threat. The '50s were a long time ago, but we still enjoy Jell-O salad every so often, so maybe we would still be susceptible to social chaos if we were to learn about flying objects of questionable origin.

And in any case, one of the Times' video credits has since changed. WIRED contacted the Times reporters in late December, asking them to comment on how the paper obtained the videos, and on the Defense Department's denial that it had released them. Reporter Ralph Blumenthal replied on behalf of the three coauthors in early January, "We don't discuss the processes by which we obtain information." But he added, "We have official documents showing the origin of the videos and the process of review provided within the DOD before they were released."

In mid-January, though, the Times changed the caption of the lead video in its story. Both videos still have captions stating they were "released by the Defense Department's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program." But the page now simply says the first video is "by," not "courtesy of," the Department of Defense.

Journalists gonna journalism, though. Of course they're protecting their sources. But I just so happen to know that there's another place that has original video straight from the DOD, and they're up-front about everything.

Ah, you must be talking about To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science.

In case other readers are not already caught up, To the Stars is a company cofounded by former Blink-182 member and longtime paranormal enthusiast Tom DeLonge. The company wants to collect data on unexplained phenomena, maybe even building out tech based on what they observe. Oh, and sell books, movies, music, and merchandise related to To the Stars' efforts.

It also, coincidentally, now employs Luis Elizondo. Elizondo says he wanted to speak about what he says the AATIP team had seen, but he didn't think that was possible from within the Pentagon. So he resigned in October 2017, he says, signing on with To The Stars soon thereafter (although WIRED's FOIA request for Elizondo's resignation letter, which was quoted in the Times, turned up no records, according to the Office of the Secretary of Defense/Joint Staff).

Also coincidentally, To the Stars launched a video-centric site on the same day the Times story came out—carrying the same two fighter-jet clips that appeared with the article. The so-called Community of Interest currently hosts one pilot report and one video interview along with the gun-camera videos—"the first official UAP footage," the page says, "ever released by the USG." (That's the US government, for all you sheeple.)

While the academy's site may make bolder claims than the Times did, that doesn't make those claims more true. The Community of Interest page says the videos come from the Defense Department, have gone through the official declassification review process, and have been approved for public release. Further, it boasts that the academy can prove it with chain-of-custody paperwork. Its two UAP videos, together, have garnered nearly 3 million views on To The Stars' YouTube channel, where the footage begins with on-screen text characterizing the videos as official and released.

Those chain-of-custody files aren't public, but To The Stars did show WIRED some paperwork suggesting that the videos had gone through the Defense Office of Prepublication and Security Review (DOPSR), which is one part of the DOD's document release procedure. DOPSR, says this guide, conducts "security and policy reviews on all documents that are submitted for official public release." "It means that one of the steps for the review of a product has been completed," says the Pentagon's Harris.

But that documentation doesn't actually clear material for release. "An approval from DOPSR does not equate to public release approval," says Harris. To release AATIP videos by the book, someone would have had to coordinate with the Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs. So the videos on the To the Stars don't carry any more weight than the same videos published by the Times.

OK, fine. But those videos are still spooky. If we can't trust the feds or the paperwork, we can trust our own eyes, right?

True, the videos show some weird stuff. But without a clear chain of custody, we can't even know whether they were part of AATIP at all, or trust that they haven't been tampered with.

And a copy of one of the much-touted videos has been online since at least 2007. UFO researcher Isaac Koi (a pseudonym under which he writes about the topic) established that the second video in the Times story, of an event in 2004, appeared online in 2007. Someone posted it on the conspiracy website Above Top Secret, and Koi delved into its origins. The first appearance he could find was on a website for a company called Vision Unlimited—a film production company. An archived 2007 version of vision-unlimited.de confirms that the footage was hosted there back then.

That archival film matches the Times video.1

After all the unclassifications and release-denials, this information shouldn't surprise you. We've pretty clearly established that whatever these videos show, they don't seem important enough for the Pentagon to get in a tizzy over. And while the fact that one of them has shown up online before doesn't prove that they didn't originate with the military, it does call that chain of custody into question. Without official confirmation or available documentation (and more documentation than WIRED saw), you can't be sure what you're viewing is unadulterated footage, and you can't be sure who recorded it first.

To The Stars Academy acknowledges that the 2004 video has existed elsewhere; its explanation is that those incarnations were leaked versions and that theirs is original. But there's no public proof for that statement.

It's true, a Navy pilot named David Fravor did give an account to the Times of his 2004 experience with a UFO, and an unnamed source provided a report in September 2017 of the same events to To The Stars Academy. But squint just a little to see that there's no definitive link between these accounts and that video. The witnesses give a description of an alleged strange event, and the video shows an encounter with a strange object. But without a time and location stamp of some sort, viewers can't know whether the witnesses are actually describing what's in the video. And, beyond that, there's no definitive link between this video and AATIP.

In the end, also, there's no way for the public to know whether, five seconds after the other film ends, the pilots don't discover the "fleet" of crazy flyers wasn't from Finland. Or the Air Force.

Fine, hater. What would it take to make you believe?

In lieu of federal nondenial, or more public paperwork, there should exist hard data—like air traffic control reports, or the radar returns Elizondo mentioned—that could help establish the videos' actualness and officialness, as well as the UAPs' strangeness. If someone—in an aircraft, on the ground, on a ship—sent radio waves up, and they bounced off a flying object, the timing of their return and the way those waves had changed could reveal the object's speed, its distance, and sometimes its shape.

Will To The Stars Academy be releasing those?

Yes, Elizondo says. But how and when and where, he doesn't know.

1 UPDATE 9:45 AM ET, 2/17/2018: This article previously included an interpretation of the text on the Nimitz video display.

https://www.wired.com/story/what-is-up-with-those-pentagon-ufo-videos/

Quote from: zorgon on March 26, 2018, 10:59:36 AM
Go Fast: Official USG Footage of UAP for Public Release
To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science
Published on Mar 9, 2018

GO FAST is the third of three official USG videos selected for release after official review by multiple government organizations. While To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science was the first to obtain a copy, it should be available to any member of the press or public via the Freedom of Information Act.  This footage was captured by a U.S. Navy F/A-18 Super Hornet using the Raytheon ATFLIR Pod that was being operated by a highly trained aerial observer and weapons system operator whom the government has spent millions of dollars to train.  Go Fast reveals a Navy encounter that occurred off the East Coast of the United States in 2015 and the object in view remains unidentified.

Read further analysis of what is being observed in Go Fast by our team of experts including additional videos and reports on our community of interest: coi.tothestarsacademy.com.

It is the mission of To The Stars Academy to support underfunded areas of research that could lead to a better understanding of scientific anomalies and breakthrough discoveries in technology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxVRg7LLaQA

Certainly an interesting thread I would like to see the HD video Commander David fravor says we will never be allowed to ee. Also I want to see the video of the what 20 other so called Tic Tac shaped craft coming from out of the water..

Until then I'm not sure hat to believe what I see on this video looks exactly like an anti ship missile flying below radar which I have seen before let me post an example in video a video below:

https://youtu.be/AMowaZ3I90o (https://youtu.be/AMowaZ3I90o)

Remember there was a major controversy Corbell had this video on vimeo in 2015 and it was allegedly released in 2018

This is an interesting interview Senior Chief Kevin Day describes what happened that day on the Infamous Nimitz Footage "There were 10 UFO raining UFOs from 28,000 Feet to Seal level this had been happening in groups of 5 to 10 for days before that"

Video Description

"Retired Senior Chief Petty Officer Kevin Day was a principal operational witness to the now famous 'Tic Tac' UFO incident over the USS Nimitz Strike Force off San Clemente Island in November 2004. In this interview, Chief Day provides fascinating personal details about this extraordinary event."

https://youtu.be/w-hkQAG9tHE (https://youtu.be/w-hkQAG9tHE)


BigPappy51

Quote from: bigpappy51 on March 07, 2019, 07:38:23 AM
This is an interesting interview Senior Chief Kevin Day describes what happened that day on the Infamous Nimitz Footage "There were 10 UFO raining UFOs from 28,000 Feet to Seal level this had been happening in groups of 5 to 10 for days before that"

Video Description

"Retired Senior Chief Petty Officer Kevin Day was a principal operational witness to the now famous 'Tic Tac' UFO incident over the USS Nimitz Strike Force off San Clemente Island in November 2004. In this interview, Chief Day provides fascinating personal details about this extraordinary event."

https://youtu.be/w-hkQAG9tHE (https://youtu.be/w-hkQAG9tHE)


BigPappy51

Interesting Pappy.  I sent the videos via private message to my grandson who currently has a masters in physics.  I want to see what he says regarding the physics of such moves.

I would like to see the actual video of the multiple craft coming out of the sea. And the "UFOS Raining out of The Sky".  Something tells me we will never see the good videos if they exist I have a theory on whats going on here and it has to do with the L shaped legs at the bottom of each TicTac. Just a theory opinion we have not seen any of the maneuvers described by individuals aboard the ship or in the F-18s that doesn't mean this never took place. Im sure they have these locations mapped out if these were ET what were they doing in these parts of the ocean?

Fravor had stated it was if the one craft was looking frantically for something as if a craft was in distress. Why did these UFOs not defend themselves against the F-18s ?? I have a lot of questions. Why does Fravor say we will NEVER see the HD videos of the craft ? Is there something there that gives these away as our own ?
This would not be the first time members of our armed services have been used as guinea pigs and what better guys to use then Navy Pilots the best of the best ?? Just some food for thought

BigPappy51

Exclusive - Documents From FBI Raid of Bob Lazar!
by Tim McMillan

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QuoteUp to this point, the extent of my involvement in exploring anomalous aerial phenomena (for the sake of common colloquial familiarity – UFOs) was solely limited to my academic and avocationist experience in research cognitive psychology. However, inspired by a recent conversation with the creator and curator of The Black Vault website and author of the recently published book Inside the Black Vault: The Government's UFO Secrets Revealed - John Greenewald, I found myself deciding to proverbially throw my hat down a different avenue and employ my professional experience as a criminal investigator to examine the UFO phenomena.

Now, as sluggishly frustrating as the federal Freedom of Information Act process can be, as a career law enforcement and criminal investigator, I'm keenly aware that open records requests at the state and local level are far more responsive. In fact, it's been my experience that local FOIA requests are typically returned in minutes or hours, as opposed to months or years at the federal level. Equally, until taking early retirement in the summer of 2018, having spent the first half of my professional life in law enforcement, I'm also well aware that, anomalous, paranormal events, albeit infrequently, ARE indeed reported to local authorities.

To test my hypothesis that nuggets of information-gold are out there just waiting to be mined from local governments, I decided to go after any information I could find on the FBI "raid" of Bob Lazar's business United Nuclear Scientific. An event that was depicted in Jeremy Corbell's 2018 documentary – Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers. As I had predicted, less than 48 hours later, the Laingsburg Michigan Police Department responded to my request.

What I found in the Laingsburg Police's 2-page report on the search of United Nuclear, was more than I ever could've hoped for.

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QuoteFor clarity's sake; police reports documenting a local agency's involvement or assistance with an outside agency is extremely common. Generally, these are referred to as "Agency Assist" reports. However, I'll admit, when it comes to the Laingsburg police department's report describing the search of United Nuclear, it's definitely unique from the countless similar reports I've seen in my career. The primary distinguishing factor being significant amount of details contained in the report. Typically, these types of reports are little more than two or three sentences. Essentially, "We came, we assisted, we left."

Now, potentially, in a town with a population of only 1,200, in Laingsburg, Michigan time lends itself to being wordy in a fairly mundane report. Equally, the reporting officer may have been aware of Bob Lazar's controversial past, and as such, the atypical addition of minutiae could've been inspired by the reporting officer's (correct) consideration that a search of Lazar's business could generate wide interest. Either reason would be speculation on my part; however, what's less speculative is the fact that, thanks to this well documented report, some very interesting details are revealed. 

The Laingsburg Police's report is indeed an "Agency Assist" report, which details the July 19, 2017, search of United Nuclear Scientific- the business owned and operated by alleged "former Area-51 employee and UFO whistleblower," Bob Lazar.

Though not directly stated in the report, it can be inferred the stated purpose for the search of Lazar's business stems from the 2015 murder of 31-year-old Janel Sturzl in Houghton, Michigan. The quick back story on this:

After the sudden onset of an unknown, debilitating illness, Janel Sturzl was hospitalized in the fall of 2015. After being transferred to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, it was discovered that Janel had been poison by lethal levels of thallium. Sadly, on December 22, 2015, Janel Sturzl passed away from the effects of the poisoning. Houghton Police classified her death as a homicide, and the Western Upper Peninsula Health Department, Michigan State Police and FBI agreed to assist in finding this young woman's killer. 

Back to the Lazar search; for me, one of the most intriguing details of the report comes from the inference that, at least initially, Bob Lazar was being viewed as a suspect by the FBI.  To be clear, nothing from the report makes me think law enforcement thought Lazar was directly involved in the murder of Janel Sturzl. Instead, there's the suggestion the FBI thought Lazar was potentially involved in the unlawful possession or distribution of toxic chemicals. The basis for my saying this comes from several items listed in the Laingsburg Police report.

For starters, the reporting officer - referred in the report's narrative by the acronym for "reporting officer": R/O - details he was briefed by the FBI of their intention to conduct a search warrant on United Nuclear Scientific, two days before the search was to take place. Clearly, the extent of the officer's initial conversation with the FBI is unknown. However, whatever was discussed was significant enough to inspire the officer to check the department's records to see if the agency had any prior contact with Lazar. Typically, the only reason for this would be to determine if any relevant past police contact might indicate a person poses a threat.

In an effort to be objectively fair, I want to caveat my last statements by reminding a reader the Laingsburg Police Department is a very small agency. Likely, the FBI coming to town is not a common event, and the mere fact the feds were preparing to conduct a search in Laingsburg may have been enough to excite the local police officials. The fact the reporting officer did an intelligence analysis of Bob Lazar or United Nuclear Scientific is intriguing to me could be a result of bias having worked considerably alongside all of the federal law enforcement agencies over the years. In essence, what may have been exciting to Laingsburg Police, would have been viewed as – "Oh great, this is going to be a pain in the ass," to me. Especially, in my last position as Assistant Patrol Commander; having to consider allocation of resources and man power, etc. But I digress...

Another detail that makes me think the FBI didn't view Lazar as merely a witness, relates to aspects of the report describing the FBI's search warrant of United Nuclear Scientific.

According to the report, the purpose of the search was relating to a "homicide investigation out of Houghton, MI involving poison" The scope of the search warrant pertained to "records and poisons that Lazar does sell."

The report's author suggests the FBI's goal was not to simply obtain copies of sales records for past client purchases; as it's been implied. Instead, the FBI's intent was to physically search the property of United Nuclear Scientific for contraband – namely toxic poisons. Confirmation this isn't simply a "records check" is further supported by the fact the report describes the pre-op briefing and actual execution of the search, with a HAZMAT team going in to clear the building before other investigators conducted the search.

The most compelling evidence of the FBI's discerning view of Bob Lazar comes from statements of Lazar being observed by "the surveillance team" leave his home and arrive at United Nuclear Scientific on the day of the search. To be clear, this means the FBI either had one surveillance team monitoring and following Lazar from his home to work; or they had two separate surveillance teams stationed near his home and business. Regardless of which is correct, coordinated surveillance is NOT common practice for how law enforcement attempts to collect evidence from witnesses not, at least peripherally, suspected of involvement in criminal acts.

The police report further documents a "small group" speaking with Lazar; who evidently waived his Fourth Amendment Rights and gave law enforcement permission to search the premise. Giving credit to Lazar here, unlike the inferences made by law enforcement, giving voluntary consent to search, is not typically something observed by person's guilty of illegal activity.

Going back to the remarkable number of details provided in the police report, the reporting officer tips off an intriguing aspect of this search, when he states, "The FBI also had a search warrant in case consent was not given."

Basically, it's already been established early on in the report that the search of United Nuclear Scientific was a fairly involved production. However, in reaffirming the existence of a search warrant, confirms there was never really an option of saying "no." Instead, the FBI had seemingly established enough probable cause to convince a judge a search warrant was justified.

Curious minds would love to know what facts were provided to a judge in the affidavit for the search warrant. However, since the basis for the search - the murder of Janel Sturzl - is still an on-going investigation, all records, including the affidavit for the search warrant of United Nuclear are sealed. Of course, the civil rights investigator and curious bystander in me, wishes Bob Lazar had denied consent to search and forced the FBI to produce the search warrant. At least this way they would have had to provide Lazar with a copy of the affidavit, and the return of the search warrant would have filed in federal court – de facto subject to open records at the present.

Relating to how the search of Lazar's business was depicted in Jeremy Corbell's documentary; considering the report mentions the FBI, a HAZMAT team, at least two Laingsburg Police Officers, and "different groups" (likely state police and forensic technicians) being involved – I'm inclined to say the descriptions used in Corbell's film of a large scale police operation, are likely very accurate. As far as the implication the FBI decided to search United Nuclear in hopes of finding some extraterrestrial artifact Bob Lazar, may or may not have stolen, from a top-secret government facility, he may or may not have worked at, or as a bully tactic because of Corbell's filming, is something that's up for interpretation at this point.

https://youtu.be/EUMwoNRyiqc

QuoteA quick check of the United Nuclear Scientific website shows the business indeed sells Thallium. However, unlike the Thallium that would have been used to kill Janel Sturzl, United Nuclear only sells harmless radioactive Thallium isotopes that are fused and a part of epoxy disks. The substance referred to as "the poisoner's poison," which would've been used to kill Mrs. Sturzl would have been Thallium sulfate – an odorless, tasteless, fine powder form of the toxic post-transition metal. Could one speculate that Bob Lazar secretly sells banned poisonous chemicals on the black market? Sure. However, it's important to note, the FBI clearly didn't find anything of that nature during their search – as Bob Lazar is still a free man.

Objectively, as a career law enforcement officer, instructor, and internationally qualified police expert, are there details in the police report I find odd or inconsistent with a benign inquiry for material evidence? Yes...

Equally, from the events described in the report, would I say the search of United Nuclear Scientific was a fairly involved and highly coordinated operation? Indeed, I would...

Finally, in light of the apparent oddities involved in the search, is there enough aspects that suggests this entire event could have a prosaic explanation related to the investigative efforts at solving a tragic murder? Also yes...

In the end, just as all legitimate research in the topic of UFOs, when it comes to the "Bob Lazar FBI raid," there's enough verifiable facts to support either side of the fence one is inclined to lean on. Objectively, the only real conclusions that can be drawn from these documents is the realization, "The Truth is Out There" – somewhere.

For me, the "Bob Lazar Raid" is the epitome of the entire UFO enigma.
At the core, the only true consistency with the UFO phenomena is "its" steadfast commitment towards enigmatic and elusive displays of an intelligence that disobeys and rejects conventional norms and pragmatic understandings. As a good friend recently said to me, "It is as if the phenomenon uses our love of the chase as the main motivator to entice us."

Ultimately, I set out to examine the Bob Lazar raid from the vantage of a criminal investigator. However, while forcefully disallowing myself from forming any conclusions that weren't rooted in established fact, yet again, I was left holding a strange tapestry with threads of my research in consciousness and perception intricately woven within.

The Bob Lazar raid isn't just situational symbolism for the UFO phenomena because it leaves those who seek the truth left holding nothing more concrete than shreds of subjective ideological beliefs. Instead, it is embodiment of the only uniformity I've come to find during my examination of anomalous phenomena. Whatever, "it" is, seems to function like a technological reality generator. In the case of the Bob Lazar raid, two different persons will look at the Laingsburg Police report and end up walking away with two completely different perspectives.

One will sit back and see the atypical nature of the FBI's search of United Nuclear Scientific as vindication of Bob Lazar's claims of having worked on secret UFO technology, and the government's commitment to keep this extraterrestrial Pandora's Box closed.

Conversely, another will say how the report confirms Bob Lazar as a ne'er-do-well, seemingly surrounded by nefarious happenstances, and exactly the type of person who would create the whole Area-15/alien technology hoax.

Into the ether of collective consciousness, these different perceptions of the same exact event, will give birth to two contrasting realities. It is as if whether physical, immaterial, spiritual, extraterrestrial, or whatever one believes, the non-localistic and dualistic lack of definition seems to be the phenomena's most distinguishing purpose.

From an existential perspective, indeed, these contrasting realities serve a greater purposes. For one tells us to seek realities which we have not yet come to know. The other, reminds us never to become so lost in the pursuit, that we forgot the existing reality around us.
Alas...  the coyote – the archetype trickster god – cackles, as once again his tail escapes just beyond our grasp.
* Authors Note: In the PDF version provided in this article of the Laingsburg Police Report, the author has redacted some details that were not originally redacted in the documents provided. Chiefly, the names of the FBI Agents, and Police Officers have been redacted from the original materials provided to the author. The author did validated that all names in the report are of real law enforcement officials, and there was nothing about their positions or experience that caused me any suspicion of their credentials. Given the subject matter and propensity for conspiracy theories to run wild, the author took the liberty of redacting those law enforcement official's names in effort to try and prevent them from any potential undue harassment.

Lastly, the author encourages anyone, regardless of their opinions or thoughts on Bob Lazar, Area-51, or UFOs, to please consider intertwined in this entire event surrounding the search of United Nuclear Scientific, is the very real, untimely, and tragic death of a young woman - Janel Sturzl. Consider Ms. Sturzl has friends, families, and loved ones who've undoubtably been affected by her death. Regardless, of personal views, please be respectful to those who've endured Ms. Sturzl's loss of life.

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