Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and 'DeLonge' Road to AATIP
I am posting this here in John Lear's Area.
For some time I have been posting about Bigelow and the UFO connection with the involvement of George Knapp, Harry Reid, Jeremy Corbell and Tom DeLonge. There have been rumors floating around about Bigelow funding MUFON and others and his interest in acquiring Saucer Parts to study and build his own UFO
The following was linked to me from ATS so it is NOT my work, to be clear. I do NOT know at this time who Mirageman is but his posting style is familiar.
Perhaps ArMap you can help me out on this. I would like to contact him for more details if possible (PM me please)
Since these posts are from ATS there has never been an issue sharing them here so long as we include credits and links.
However this is news we need to be on top of.
Main Thread Here
Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and 'DeLonge' Road to AATIP (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10865.msg142551#msg142551)
QuoteSupposedly an exercise in studies of human consciousness and how we can communicate with a 'higher intelligences'. But it also seems to lead down a path of mental illness and psychosis for many on the receiving end. To dabble is to gamble with sanity.
I can't emphasize enough the truth of this statement.
QuoteWhom the gods would destroy they first make mad.
Longfellow was spot on.
I think the military reached this milestone decades ago. It explains the modus operandi of proclaiming witnesses to be mentally ill in some way.
This thread at ATS is currently 103 pages long. All I have transferred so far are the original posts and the last post by Mark Allin (SPRINGER) stating that he was at Skin Walker Ranch with Knapp and Corbell.
As is the case with most such long threads 90% (or higher :P ) of the posts are usually bullshit comments by village idiots, attempted debunkers, and assorted troll and empty platitudes like " Great info... I will have to read all this later! (they never do :P )
What I need is someone to skim through those pages and find any useful updates and extra information that is pertinent to add to the library thread.
Also need to keep an eye on that thread for Springer's coming 'revelation'
Personally i think this is all about MONEY and we will not learn anything real but just in case I am wrong :P we need to watch this unfold.
In effect, this is the culmination of all the years since Roswell and all the same names are still involved (Seem Hal Puthoff is immortal :P )
The interesting thing is I was just in the process of collecting all this material myself... Mirageman has done all the work for me, though no one had the Zeta Reticuli 2 papers other than John, who sent them to me to release
I do not "Do" ATS or other chat boards but can watch out on FB. I know...I know 🙄, but I get tons of info from there as I am interested in all sorts of things. Medicine, technology, science, old friends, my town happenings, etc. and I know how to vet the things that interest me so I can weed out the fake. With that being said, is Springer on FB?
Quote from: Smilingtree on April 07, 2018, 10:03:24 PM
With that being said, is Springer on FB?
Not that I know of. He is busy runninng ATS but I am sure ATS has Twitter and FB accounts. I never looked :P
He used to be a nice guy... still not really sure why he turned on us back then
Springer on the right, John Lear, Dave Rabbit (RIP) and Johnny Anonymous (he had that name LONG before the grroup used it) I was taking the photo :P
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Bay_Area_UFO_Expo/Bay-UFO-01-015.jpg)
Johnny Anonymous, my daughter and myself did a trip up to the Lick Observatory That was interesting , especially the Ravens
:o
ATS is not on FB nor did I find a Mark Allin.
Good picture!
Quote from: Smilingtree on April 07, 2018, 10:03:24 PM
With that being said, is Springer on FB?
Search for Springer Abovetopsecret.
Quote from: zorgon on April 07, 2018, 10:53:42 PM
Springer on the right, John Lear, Dave Rabbit (RIP) and Johnny Anonymous (he had that name LONG before the grroup used it) I was taking the photo :P
On the right from their point of view, seeing that he is the one to the left for us looking at the photo. :)
Quote from: Smilingtree on April 07, 2018, 10:58:41 PM
ATS is not on FB nor did I find a Mark Allin.
https://www.facebook.com/atsnews/
Quote from: ArMaP on April 08, 2018, 01:04:25 AM
https://www.facebook.com/atsnews/
Looks like a Tabloid :P Seems most of the posts on there are political... and look the same as all the other facebook posts Ah well... back to hunting Dragons
Oh wait... who is THIS on FB? :P
(https://scontent.flas1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-1/p160x160/1236555_626230754088903_97293948_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=72f20a3616374784f3d3d52472c58857&oe=5B2E7E14)
Armap Atshttps://www.facebook.com/armap.ats?ref=br_rs
So I scrolled looking for something worthwhile and found THIS
Mars rover discovered gravitational wave affecting Mars' clouds.https://www.facebook.com/atsnews/posts/1584539891586252
First of all just have a look at the replies to that post It is unbelieve the level of stupid on FB now even on an ATS page.
I followed that link to ATS comment there are just as bad...
And its GRAVITY WAVES, a weather phenomena not GRAVITATIONAL WAVES :P
So great nothing has changed over there, not missing anything :D
Quote from: zorgon on April 08, 2018, 04:04:25 AM
So great nothing has changed over there, not missing anything :D
No, things changed, now it's hard to have a topic not influenced by politics. :(
WOAH!
I love coincidences. See my last post -which I made before I read before I read this quote.... http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10847.msg142660;topicseen#new
Quote from: zorgon on April 07, 2018, 10:21:31 AM
It seems one source of Robert Bigelow's claims in the quote above involve a French 'researcher' Antoine Gigal. Physicist Jack Sarfatti described her as "accompanied by a body guard carrying a mystery briefcase allegedly containing "some kind of 'psychotronic' weapon based on alien ET technology."
According to Sarfatti's account, Gigal claimed a gun battle took place at Skinwalker Ranch with paramilitary guards involved in a shootout against aliens emerging from a portal or wormhole type of phenomenon. He said he'd heard the rumour while visiting London in 2004, in the company of Nick Cook (a British Aerospace Journalist). Sarfatti said the woman claimed to be part of a semi-secret Paris UFO group, and the woman attributed the story to Jacques Vallee. Jack Sarfatti also stated:
"Allegedly Jacques Vallee denies the story, but now Bob Bigelow seems to have gone public with it -albeit without the details."
QuoteA few scientists have been open about the capabilities of controlling human consciousness and behavior with EM technology. One such researcher is Dr. Elizabeth Rauscher-Bise, who has worked at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and Stanford
Research Institute, and as a research consultant to NASA and the U.S. Navy. In 2003, Rauscher-Bise told private investigative and independent journalist Joe Vialls (now deceased) that she had long ago identified the specific frequency effects needed to induce nausea, happiness, and many other behavioral states decades ago. "Give me the money and three months," she boasted to Vialls, "and I'll be able to affect the behavior of 80 percent of the people in this town without their knowing it. Make them happy—or at least they'll think they're happy. Or aggressive."
http://www.doctorsaputo.com/a/the-covert-use-of-energy-weapons-for-political-control
The tech has been around since the 60s
Quote from: ArMaP on April 08, 2018, 11:38:17 AM
No, things changed, now it's hard to have a topic not influenced by politics. :(
Well if they would stop banning people that bring awesome and non political posts to ATS they wouldn't have that problem :P
Quote from: zorgon on April 10, 2018, 01:13:26 AM
Well if they would stop banning people that bring awesome and non political posts to ATS they wouldn't have that problem :P
Even people that brought awesome and non political posts before now act too political, and we can see it on this forum too.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 08, 2018, 11:38:17 AM
No, things changed, now it's hard to have a topic not influenced by politics. :(
Too much Russian influence on the site. I tried to say this some time ago but it was a waste of my time as what difference does knowing make?
(https://edreformnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/heads-in-sand.gif)
Quote from: Pimander on April 10, 2018, 01:54:31 AM
Too much Russian influence on the site.
Which one? :P
I guess I should come clean just so I can't be accused of not being straight with you all....
I have promised not to disclose something about a topic related to one of the projects discussed in this thread. Don't worry, I won't mislead anyone with my posts. I simply will not disclose the said information. It is information regarding some ongoing research that is not public yet.
I can still join in with the discussion providing Zorgon and the other admins are cool with that.
And stop calling it Spooksville! You're making me paranoid. ;D
Quote from: Pimander on April 10, 2018, 01:04:06 PM
I guess I should come clean just so I can't be accused of not being straight with you all....
I have promised not to disclose something about a topic related to one of the projects discussed in this thread. Don't worry, I won't mislead anyone with my posts. I simply will not disclose the said information. It is information regarding some ongoing research that is not public yet.
I can still join in with the discussion providing Zorgon and the other admins are cool with that.
And stop calling it Spooksville! You're making me paranoid. ;D
I personally have no issues with it,as long as you don't deliberately mislead or mis-direct the topic,and I am sure that you won't, Pi; if you do we'll just have to tar and feather you ;D
As for calling it spooksville, it is Alpha Tango Spookz in my book :P
Bob Powell referred to it as Alien Titty Suckers :P
Remain Calm and carry concealed...
Quote from: Pimander on April 10, 2018, 01:04:06 PM
I have promised not to disclose something about a topic related to one of the projects discussed in this thread.
Actually, strictly speaking, the information I can't disclose is linked to topics/people discussed in the library thread not this discussion thread.
Main Thread Here
Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and 'DeLonge' Road to AATIP (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10865.msg142551#msg142551)
Quote from: The Seeker on April 10, 2018, 02:18:27 PM
if you do we'll just have to tar and feather you ;D
:o
QuoteI have promised not to disclose something about a topic related to one of the projects discussed in this thread. Don't worry, I won't mislead anyone with my posts. I simply will not disclose the said information. It is information regarding some ongoing research that is not public yet.
Pimander.. is it the same info you can't disclose on dna?
and if not that's fine but can you give us a date to look forward to on either topic or both..
thanks much..
but you better not disappear after that kinda bait..
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cSTzSHFyIxg/Uae14w-N9UI/AAAAAAAAEGw/UQChdvp0VKM/s1600/this-smiley-is-watching-you.jpg)
My visit to The Skinwalker Ranch, 2018
by Springer from ATS
Post is here
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10865.msg142814#msg142814
Reminds me of one of those Bilderberg meetings :P
(http://thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Bigelow/Springer-001.jpg)
I'm actually kind of embarrassed for him. He's like a puppy on the heels.
Quote from: Pimander on April 10, 2018, 01:04:06 PM
And stop calling it Spooksville! You're making me paranoid. ;D
uh huh... well um... NO :P because ATS is literally Spook Central, "spook" meaning agent not ghostly things. If you still hang out there you SHOULD be paranoid, because they are watching you :P
Here re a few examples...
BAD SPOOK... Cool Hand was one that I tricked into revealing himself and got many alert ATSers to give me a thumbs up for the public outing :P After that he stopped pestering
GOOD SPOOK... mf_luder... He is Army Cointel Pro... says so openly... I asked him jokingly for ID :P Said he isn't allowed to post his ID card but will this do? Yup that will do :P He later vetted a couple of documents for me at work that I had acquired that didn't have the secrcey tags stamped declassified so I had him check if it was okay...
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/46ats_members/Assorted%20Hold/Spooks/mf_luder/2e4940154f45.jpg)
GOOD SPOOK... NJ Mooch.. On ATS he had posted in his bio "If people on ATS knew what I did for a living they would freak" and had a picture of a DIA patch as avatar... welll yup he was DIA :P I saw the parking stickers on his yellow SUV window when he cane to visit John and myself for three days. When he left, my internet access 'changed' Let's leave it at that
skeetontheconspiracy NSA Kentucky
Tom Bedlam... he was told he isn't allowed to come talk to us :D
There was one fellow... was AF Security from Kwajalien... forget his name but I will try to find it as it was posts regarding SiPRNET etc and he was triggered when I mentioned "The Global" which I had gotten from someone else :P
Another chap was US NAVY he let slip the real name of a NAVY spaceplane project because he was drinking a tad... it was corrected quickly but I was lucky enough to catch it
There were many others I have to look up the names again. bear in mind these are the good ones that took time to talk with me (except cool hand) There are probably a LOT more I never spotted :P
Then there are the real insiders like Intelgurl that works at Tonopah with her hubby Bios...
IgnoreTheFacts... uber skeptic and hounded John for years... turns out he works on non existing space planes :P The last note I got form him was "Zorgon... you are 95% right on your secret space program stuff... I was going to post something but if I do they would know who I was" Last I heard of him
So sorry
SPOOKSVILLE it remains :P
::)
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Quote from: Irene on April 13, 2018, 08:18:57 PM
I'm actually kind of embarrassed for him. He's like a puppy on the heels.
I always liked Springer... He did fight to keep us around but that Overlord :P can't beat that :D
But you spend 6 years providing top content and research then suddenly get the boot and never even a hat or a t-shirt as thank you... :P Though he did spring for those John Lear Tin Foil hats at the time
This part:
QuoteAnyone who has been around ATS long enough knows I am an eternally open minded skeptic; if I don't see it with my own eyes, if I can replicate the results, or find more than one (reputable and credible) person who saw it then well, I'm not impressed, to put it politely. - Springer
I think that is the biggest reason that ATS is not doing so well :P Everyone running the place is a skeptic...
Makes it harder to take things seriously
But one of my big beefs is that even when I took the time to post 6 Pegasus FOIA ducuments with the OFFICISL source and link to the paper... these stuck those posts into their Skunk Works section, effectively burying them...
Now normally Skunkworks (ie Lockheed martin) would be for top secret stuff... but at ATS Skunk Works is lower than Mulder's basement office and stuff there is very quickly forgotten. I posted those 6 pages at the same time that Clifford Stone was their 'poster boy' with FOIA documents... It was so bad that if you put FOIA in your post it triggered the bots to put a post from Clifford below yours
I still don't know what happened to Clifford... why he was banned... I keep forgetting to ask him on Facebook dang it
Those six documents are on Jack's section on the website.
Being a skeptic is all well and good... but it does tend to make you look at things with a preconceived bias :P
Quote from: space otter on April 10, 2018, 06:12:31 PM
Pimander.. is it the same info you can't disclose on dna?
and if not that's fine but can you give us a date to look forward to on either topic or both..
thanks much..
I can't elaborate really. It isn't my decision when to be honest.
Quotebut you better not disappear after that kinda bait..
I thought it was the most honest I could be to admit I know something that you guys don't and I can't share it. (And no, I don't have proof the greys are physical beings and zoom about in nuts and bolts UFOs just to stick probes up our anuses (is it ani?)....)
When I disappear it is when I am very busy or very bored. It isn't as busy as it used to be here and it is so irritatingly boring and stifling on ATS that I just don't have the motivation to make the time... I love what Zorgon and the rest of us have tried to achieve here but I am not retired and have a business to run.
ETA: I'll check what old Springer is up to later and follow up on your new tid-bits Z. Gotta go and make a lady happy then possibly work Sunday night. I should have stuck to my easy job LOL.
Quote from: Pimander on April 14, 2018, 06:01:16 PM
I know something that you guys don't and I can't share it. (And no, I don't have proof....)
This is actually funny in a way...
All throughout UFOlogy and other conspiracies people say "The Government is covering up Aliens!" or "The Government is suppressing Free Energy!" (what ever that is :P )
Then they make statements like "Need to wake up, Sheeple" and usually the wake up messages is total BS
Then come the researches and the whistle blowers
Take Brian Forester for example basic story... "We have DNA proof that the elongated skulls are not from Earth"
Okay GREAT lets see those results and get an independent lab to check it..
"We can't release this paper just yet!"
Oh REALLY? Hmmm why not?
"Well turns out this DBA appears to come from a certain region on earth!"
I find that whistle blowers and UFOlogists are harder to get any info out of than the Government :P Its always
"I know something YOU don't know!" But I can't tell you!"
Well while I DO undersatnd those that are working on current jobs that require NDA's and Oaths... the rest of them saying this is worse than the government
I EXPECT the government to cover it up and keep secrets... but when [people claiming to be seeking the TRUTH do the exact same cover up it is worse... why? because THEIR motive is usually to keep the story going for their spot in the hall of UFOlogy fame that is the show circuit...
In the end we end up like this fellow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmzsWxPLIOo
Quote from: zorgon on April 14, 2018, 10:35:27 PM
This is actually funny in a way...
All throughout UFOlogy and other conspiracies people say "The Government is covering up Aliens!" or "The Government is suppressing Free Energy!" (what ever that is :P )
Then they make statements like "Need to wake up, Sheeple" and usually the wake up messages is total BS
Then come the researches and the whistle blowers
Take Brian Forester for example basic story... "We have DNA proof that the elongated skulls are not from Earth"
Okay GREAT lets see those results and get an independent lab to check it..
"We can't release this paper just yet!"
Oh REALLY? Hmmm why not?
"Well turns out this DBA appears to come from a certain region on earth!"
I find that whistle blowers and UFOlogists are harder to get any info out of than the Government :P Its always
"I know something YOU don't know!" But I can't tell you!"
Well while I DO undersatnd those that are working on current jobs that require NDA's and Oaths... the rest of them saying this is worse than the government
I EXPECT the government to cover it up and keep secrets... but when [people claiming to be seeking the TRUTH do the exact same cover up it is worse... why? because THEIR motive is usually to keep the story going for their spot in the hall of UFOlogy fame that is the show circuit...
In the end we end up like this fellow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmzsWxPLIOo
It's mostly about the MONEY!....basic stuff....
Quote from: zorgon on April 14, 2018, 10:35:27 PM
Well while I DO undersatnd those that are working on current jobs that require NDA's and Oaths... the rest of them saying this is worse than the government
You don't know why though.
QuoteI EXPECT the government to cover it up and keep secrets... but when [people claiming to be seeking the TRUTH do the exact same cover up it is worse... why? because THEIR motive is usually to keep the story going for their spot in the hall of UFOlogy fame that is the show circuit...
Except it is nothing to do with that as I am not seeking recognition or fame. In fact I've deliberately obscured who I am. ::)
Surely you know that on many projects and with many companies (including research and engineering) that everyone on the team has to keep information inside. There are several obvious reasons for that and you are smart enough to understand what they are. You are also smart enough to know that not all of those reasons are sinister.
Research: To get there first you don't share data with non-collaborators.
Research: Until you have sufficient data to publish and draw firm conclusions you keep quiet. If you speculate or jump the gun you look like idiots. Credibility goes.
Engineering: Competitors steal your inventions.
None of those are
necessarily Black Projects or Government oaths etc,
Another reason is that if it is information that can be used nefariously like nuclear secrets, biological stuff, so called free energy (which could destroy the whole planet potentially)....
I'm not going to publicly share my reason. I'll PM you perhaps. Providing you don't accuse me of being some fame seeking UFOlogy idiot again because I'm clearly not if you think about it. :P ::)
QuoteI'm not going to publicly share my reason. I'll PM you perhaps. Providing you don't accuse me of being some fame seeking UFOlogy idiot again because I'm clearly not if you think about it. :P ::)
Pi, I believe if you re-read what Z posted, that was aimed at Ufologists and 'researchers' in general(wankers that they are), not at you in particular...
8)
C'est la vie
English is my third language n'est-ce pas?
And I know Americaneese is hard for Brits to understand
::)
:P
8)
Quote from: Pimander on April 15, 2018, 12:33:25 AM
I'm not going to publicly share my reason. I'll PM you perhaps. Providing you don't accuse me of being some fame seeking UFOlogy idiot again because I'm clearly not if you think about it. :P ::)
Ich habe dich nicht persönlich angesprochen.
Ich habe allgemein über UFOlogisten gesprochen. Diejenigen im Kongressgeschäft
Da Sie Schwierigkeiten haben, mein Englisch zu verstehen, dachte ich, dass Deutsch vielleicht besser funktionieren würde
Quote from: zorgon on April 18, 2018, 08:50:01 AM
Ich habe dich nicht persönlich angesprochen.
Ich habe allgemein über UFOlogisten gesprochen. Diejenigen im Kongressgeschäft
Da Sie Schwierigkeiten haben, mein Englisch zu verstehen, dachte ich, dass Deutsch vielleicht besser funktionieren würde
Concordo plenamente. ;D
;D You know Skinwalker Ranch sounds like it has to be a nudist colony..................
The naked truth! ;D
Regarding sharing information and why people do and don't do so, in my case, I am very much afraid others will assume I am batshit crazy. That's why the mental illness angle is the one TPTB use.
It's a guaranteed ticket to being negatively labeled for life in law enforcement databases, ensuring that you will never be taken seriously again by anyone, including your own family.
Mulder was right. Trust no one. Not even your own family. My mother stabbed me in the back, numerous times.
I've never recovered from that betrayal. I am always reminded of a discussion that took place in the movie, "The General's Daughter". One character asked another what was worse than rape.
Her reply? Betrayal.