It does not appear to be hoaxed.
You'll have to check it out and make your own judgement call:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TRiIVTNxPI
(https://i.imgur.com/cQenjp0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bH8OglK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/95dGCRh.jpg)
Cracking post Canine - :o
I wonder if A51 can look at this, and see if the boyzz can come back with a definitive analysis & statement on that video? I would love to know !
The voices and commentary by the guys observing seem legit too..
:)
Fans' :)
It reminds me of aeroplanes flying towards the camera, but the bigger light appears too bright for that.
How big do you guys think the primary contact is?
Anyone want to give the Ballpark estimate on the Diameter?
Quote from: Canine on May 27, 2018, 11:50:10 AM
How big do you guys think the primary contact is?
It's impossible to know.
We only see a light, in what appears to be a low ambient light condition, making it look even brighter.
QuoteIt's impossible to know.
We would need radar data. To get that, you'd have to know the details and contact the handsome fellow who works in the airport nearest to the event. Maybe contact one of the pilots who was up nearby.
But we get some stuff from from the video data alone... How bright is it relative to the other more conventional looking objects?
Quote from: Canine on May 27, 2018, 12:34:26 PM
But we get some stuff from from the video data alone... How bright is it relative to the other more conventional looking objects?
I don't know if it's even possible to know that, as what we see in the video depends on how the camera was adjusted (probably automatically) for those light conditions.
Also, knowing the brightness of a light says nothing about the size of the object emitting the light.
armap, would you say that the larger object in the video is bigger than the smaller objects?
I can only say that I don't know, the only thing I know is that the apparent brightness of the main object is bigger than that of the other objects.
Is that because the whole object is emitting light and the object is bigger? Or is it because the other objects are farther away? Or are the other objects bigger but with smaller lights? Or is the light of the main object stronger but the object is the same size of the others?
Impossible to know.
Armap, I will make a full disclosure here. I know more than I am letting on about this case.
But that aside, I think that you might be needlessly sowing doubt. I think that the properties of the objects are clear to all; one is larger and brighter than the others.
Truth, like skepticism can be abused. Honestly, I feel like I am being gaslit for sharing this with you.
Quote from: Canine on May 27, 2018, 12:59:28 PM
But that aside, I think that you might be needlessly sowing doubt. I think that the properties of the objects are clear to all; one is larger and brighter than the others.
That's not my opinion.
All my life I have been like this: if I have clear data about something, I can have an opinion about it, but if I do not have clear data then I do not choose an option over others.
Does the main object appear bigger than the others? Yes. Is it really bigger? I cannot know.
Some people make conjectures based on assumptions, but I try to avoid them, unless the possibilities are just two or three and easy to verify, otherwise it's just a waste of my resources.
@Canine, for myself I think it is very difficult to tell the distance and elevation and relative velocity of the UAP to the truck/Van/Car, and its relative velocity to the ground and so this makes trying to determine the first objects size very difficult, this, and the apparent target(s) visual scintillation also add to the problem of guessing their sizes.
I think we can all agree that they are not conventional fixed or rotary winged aircraft, or balloons or hang gliders etc - maybe its some one who has cleverly disguised a drone but I doubt that too-
Observations, and interpretation of observation is also a tricky number, as most Police-persons will tell you, getting statements from more than one person who observed an incident will most often provide conflicting testimony on the event/facts -
It took me a while to get where ArMAP is coming from with his comments on threads, but I have become a better "poster" (I hope) due in fact to ArMap and others on here, who have a very critical thinking mode engaged when replying to posts -
(also I think ArMap 1st language isn't English but I could be wrong ??? )
I am a relative newcomer to this site and am very much driven by my emotions - and I do need to box them off sometimes, and become more analytical of posts and images -
Anyhoo, for what it is worth, I think the footage is genuine, but I am a hopeful sceptic on UAP/UFO's
I would dearly like to hear the background story on the footage / incident if you have some other information you are free to disclose bud?
Cheers!
Fansongecho :)
Quote from: fansongecho on May 27, 2018, 03:56:07 PM
I think we can all agree that they are not conventional fixed or rotary winged aircraft, or balloons or hang gliders etc - maybe its some one who has cleverly disguised a drone but I doubt that too-
Not all. :)
I don't see a thing that makes it impossible for those lights being from conventional aircraft.
Quote(also I think ArMap 1st language isn't English but I could be wrong ??? )
You're not wrong, English is my third language, I'm Portuguese and the only foreign language I learned at school was French.
QuoteI am a relative newcomer to this site and am very much driven by my emotions - and I do need to box them off sometimes, and become more analytical of posts and images -
Emotions are good, but they should be avoided when trying to be objective. At least that's what I think. :)
Some of the smaller objects in the video appear and disappear, how would one account for this?
Did a pilot decide to switch off his light? Was the law too much to obey that night?
Quote from: Canine on May 27, 2018, 07:12:10 PM
Some of the smaller objects in the video appear and disappear, how would one account for this?
They changed direction, I have seen that happen many times.
When an aeroplane is relatively close to the airport and turns on the landing lights. If the plane is going in the direction of the viewer then the landing lights are visible, but if it is going to a 90ยบ angle the lights are not visible.
Armap, since you watched the video, how many object sightings were there in it?
If I'm not mistaken, at most, 4. I don't think we see more than 2 at a time.
I got more questions. For anyone really, I'm just putting them out there:
do you believe that these objects appearing and disappearing around the larger object are conventional aircraft?
do you think the smaller conventional aircraft flying in the area of the larger brighter object might be related to that object? Or is this a coincidence? You know maybe we are witnessing an airborne coincidence thing. It could happen.
What of the larger/brighter object? Does it have a spotlight coincidentally following the camera? Or is it that bright all the way round? Is the camera in the beam the whole time?
And Why's it not moving that much? What gives? What is it? Any history of such things in the Manitoba area?
Who do I sue if my dog gets traumatized at the sight of the thing?
Quote from: Canine on May 27, 2018, 08:02:15 PM
do you believe that these objects appearing and disappearing around the larger object are conventional aircraft?
I think it's the most likely, as they look like lights from conventional aircraft
Quotedo you think the smaller conventional aircraft flying in the area of the larger brighter object might be related to that object? Or is this a coincidence? You know maybe we are witnessing an airborne coincidence thing. It could happen.
I think it's a coincidence.
QuoteWhat of the larger/brighter object? Does it have a spotlight coincidentally following the camera? Or is it that bright all the way round? Is the camera in the beam the whole time?
Some people on YouTube said it was the Moon. The location (Brandon, Manitoba), date (June 27th) and time (5:30 PM) appear to show the Moon relatively close to the ground on Stelarium, but I find the time a little strange, as the whole scene looks too dark. The man that posted the video on YouTube doesn't say it was not the Moon, although he says it was not the Sun, so I suppose it's possible it was the Moon.
QuoteAnd Why's it not moving that much? What gives? What is it? Any history of such things in the Manitoba area?
If it was the Moon that would explain the lack of motion.
QuoteWho do I sue if my dog gets traumatized at the sight of the thing?
Donald Trump or Vladimir Putin. ;D
@Canine, you mentioned that you have a more than you are letting on - can you share what you know about the incident?
Also, I dont have answers or solutions to our questions above.
I have to politly disagree with ArMap, I dont believe that these are conventional aircraft - I dont know what they are, but for me they are not conventional A/C -
and finally A51- can you get your guys to look at this video soon LOL :) :)
I look forward to your inputs Canine on what you know about the incident buddy.
Cheers, :) :)
Fans'
Quote from: fansongecho on May 27, 2018, 10:35:29 PM
I have to politly disagree with ArMap, I dont believe that these are conventional aircraft - I dont know what they are, but for me they are not conventional A/C -
If we all agreed this would be a very boring forum. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on May 28, 2018, 12:13:49 AM
If we all agreed this would be a very boring forum. :)
Yes, it would, ArMaP :P
The situation with the above video is that it can only be classed as a true unknown at this time;
All we can see are lights in the sky, filmed from a moving vehicle, with absolutely nothing to use as a frame of reference to judge altitude, distance, relative size, or speed
If one could get the exact time, date, and location of the event, it might be possible to contact any radar installations in the vicinity and ascertain whether they had a track on it and are willing to provide any data;
until then, it is an unknown...
seeker
Thanks for posting the Video Canine...
I found it thought provoking ! and quite like what the video shows... (even if it was hoaxed... I think it was well done and worth analysing how they have done it) butI dont think it is a hoax at this stage.
Not sure as yet what to make of it in great detail, but I accept many of the comments that have been made to possibly be valid but that would depend on other various facts if we were able to obtain them.
On one or two observations or comments.
Initially I thought that it seemed as if the bright object was moving gradually towards the moving vehicles on a triangular like trajection....
BUT then it seems as if maybe that the film is later zoomed in more... so that the object appears to be getting closer...or larger maybe that what it really was in relation to earlier parts of the film..
or it goes slightly out of focus and that makes it looks larger. then they refocus again and it goes smaller again at certain stages..
As always in a video... a light is often hard to determine in terms of distance and real size.and as the vehicle is also moving.... its hard to determine how the bright light object maybe really moving..
IF they would have stopped and filmed for 30 secs to a minute and fillmed in open areas... we could have maybe determined if it was the moon for eg... as you would not see anything moving..
but whether the object if it was moving may have moved so quick and further away to easily catch up again later...
to be able to view it similar again later... its hard to know for sure.
Theres a few things that maybe can be noted thru out the video... where various things happen...
like when we see two lights... or when we see zoom in..or zoom back out..
If A 51 or his team was impressed enough with it... it would be interesting if he was able to try to analyse it futher .
Canada has such open flat areas and long roads around that part of the Country..
No doubt if it was an aircraft that was slowly turning towards the car more... the light may start to seem brighter and larger.. and dependent upon the type light used... that may vary what we appear to see.
I think a program like UFO Hunters when they try to analyse things... sometimes can be good as they do at least attempt to use some Science behind their analysis..
and I think one of the Scientists that they use ... often analyses various things many of us would not be as knowledgable about.. like for eg types of aircraftlights and how they may appear..
because when you get a aircraft come towards you after it has turned towards you... it really can be quite a unusual experience..and at times almost blinding depending how far away it is... and the lights may look larger than they really are..
But when the object has been moving there appears no other flashing lights...
There at times periods in the video when you may think its the moon... but it does appear to be a moving abject even though the car is moving..
Hi Canine, I would love to hear / see what else you have that you hinted at buddy, as indicated previously on this topic :) :)
I have driven on that highway. If the video is being shot travelling east, the light is in perfect location to be the moon. However if he is travelling west, could be anything. That highway is straight, east- west between Brandon and Winnipeg.
Too bad that they didn't stop and take video. Would have shown whether it was moving or stationary.
Quote from: fansongecho on May 27, 2018, 10:35:29 PM
@Canine, you mentioned that you have a more than you are letting on - can you share what you know about the incident?
Also, I dont have answers or solutions to our questions above.
I have to politly disagree with ArMap, I dont believe that these are conventional aircraft - I dont know what they are, but for me they are not conventional A/C -
and finally A51- can you get your guys to look at this video soon LOL :) :)
I look forward to your inputs Canine on what you know about the incident buddy.
Cheers, :) :)
Fans'
Hey fans, sure.
If you would submit a request via the website contact page giving the url of the evidence, that would be most helpful right now.
The team is willing to examine evidence presented by the public and welcomes submissions.
Thanks A51, I will ask Canine's permission on here, and in a PM to see if that is ok to do as it is not my image and am not sure about copyright and other legal stuff as well as it maybe Canine would like to take you up on your kind offer off support 8) :)
Cheers,
Fans'
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Hi Canine, how would you like to play this please ?? cheers Fans' :)
Quote from: fansongecho on May 30, 2018, 04:33:42 AM
Hi Canine, how would you like to play this please ?? cheers Fans' :)
Just pretend like I'm not here and that one of you stumbled across the video on a youtube link-clicking spree.
Do what you would do under such circumstances.
Here are the original links from the OP :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TRiIVTNxPI
youtube.com/watch?v=4TRiIVTNxPI
https://i.imgur.com/cQenjp0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bH8OglK.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/95dGCRh.jpg
the vidoe is on Youtube, so sending the link to A51 won't be an issue, Fans, it is in the public domain...
Thanks for the clarification Seeker and Canine :) :)
Quote from: micjer on May 29, 2018, 01:05:31 PM
I have driven on that highway. If the video is being shot travelling east, the light is in perfect location to be the moon. However if he is travelling west, could be anything. That highway is straight, east- west between Brandon and Winnipeg.
Too bad that they didn't stop and take video. Would have shown whether it was moving or stationary.
Hi Mic 8) is that highway very far from you? Some more video of that area, both traveling east and west, might help clarify the issue a bit more...
Just curious
8)
seeker
No it is not real close.
I noticed that it was taken at 5 30 pm.
Quote
.Published on 19 Nov 2017
May of 2017 trans canada hwy 530 pm
That means that they are travelling east, because at the very beginning of the video you can see that the sun is just setting in the side mirror of the truck. That means the sun is behind them or to the west. That would put the moon in that exact location on the horizon as it rises.
wow Mic great report
now that is how you prove or disprove a sighting
common sense and factual observation
8)
What if it's not the moon?
Also, which one is the moon?
(https://i.imgur.com/b9qm1A4.png)
Quote from: Canine on June 26, 2018, 09:26:33 AM
What if it's not the moon?
Also, which one is the moon?
(https://i.imgur.com/b9qm1A4.png)
Take your pick 8) that appears to be lens flare...
ArMaP?
Quote from: Canine on June 26, 2018, 09:26:33 AM
What if it's not the moon?
Then I don't know what it may have been.
QuoteAlso, which one is the moon?
(https://i.imgur.com/b9qm1A4.png)
If it's the Moon then it's the one on the right on that image, the one that is always visible.
update
I found another UFO video from manitoba that looks like this one - check it out:
(https://i.imgur.com/tHJXTos.jpg)
it just blinks out of existence
(https://i.imgur.com/9meCKzT.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba-bQxVQrNY
That looks like an aeroplane with their lights pointing in the camera's direction, I have seen dozens like that.
QuoteThat looks like an aeroplane with their lights pointing in the camera's direction, I have seen dozens like that.
So you're sure it's not the moon
Quote from: Canine on July 19, 2018, 09:51:15 AM
So you're sure it's not the moon
Hmmm, you did mention in your post that the light source blinks out 8)
The last time I looked, the moon doesn't have an on/off switch; aircraft landing lights do, so...
::)
There is no plane in the second image. nothing there:
(https://i.imgur.com/9meCKzT.jpg)
maybe it's ball lightning
edit: i just made a gif of the part were it blinks out. it's my first gif, let me see if it loads up here
(https://j.gifs.com/l542Bg.gif)
Quote from: Canine on July 19, 2018, 09:51:15 AM
So you're sure it's not the moon
As sure as I can be about something in a video I didn't make. :)
Quote from: Canine on July 19, 2018, 01:25:01 PM
There is no plane in the second image. nothing there:
(https://i.imgur.com/9meCKzT.jpg)
There is no
visible plane.
Landing lights (the lights I think we are seeing in the video, like the ones in the dozens of cases I have seen personally) can be seen from a long distance, and at that distance the plane itself is not visible, either for being too small or because the colour doesn't stand out from the background.
Also, landing lights on a plane can disappear if the plane changes direction, as those lights point in one direction only, unlike navigation lights, that are made to be visible from all around.
I think our videographer noted characteristics that were not plane-like and so he filmed it and uploaded it making no claims about it beyond his inability to IDEN it.
I believe that the object didn't match the criteria for an conventional aircraft and that is why he filmed it, it is what served as the trigger. The same applies for the object in the video in the OP, which you say is the moon.
first question for me is
were these taken within sight of an airport?
not just near it
second question
this is stated as being Filmed on June2nd 2017 0500hrs
get a schedule for the arrivals and departures from the airport for comparison
and state your location at filming and the direction you are facing
and the location of the airport with regard of your direction
before you believe you are seeing a ufo you need to illiminate all other possibilities in my opinion
and for these you tubes i do not believe you have done that
are you the person filming or are you just posting things seen on you tube?
Quote from: Canine on July 19, 2018, 02:32:17 PM
I think our videographer noted characteristics that were not plane-like and so he filmed it and uploaded it making no claims about it beyond his inability to IDEN it.
I believe that the object didn't match the criteria for an conventional aircraft .
Please provide a list of your criteria for a conventional aircraft so we all are using the same data
8)
don't butcher my quotes seeker. when you dont leave portions of my sentences out it's obvious what i was saying and that the statement on criteria pertained to the criteria held by the man filming it.
QuoteI believe that the object didn't match the criteria for an conventional aircraft and that is why he filmed it, it is what served as the trigger.
Quote from: Canine on July 19, 2018, 03:14:38 PM
don't butcher my quotes seeker. when you dont leave portions of my sentences out it's obvious what i was saying and that the statement on criteria pertained to the criteria held by the man filming it.
I am going to say this once:
I quoted the relevant part of your post concerning my question, being what is
your criteria for considering this to be anything other than a normal aircraft, no more, no less...
the criteria pertaining to the person filming it is irrelevant and speculation on your part and has nothing to do with my question
::)
seeker, are you serious? get over yourself.
Quote from: Canine on July 19, 2018, 02:32:17 PM
The same applies for the object in the video in the OP, which you say is the moon.
I didn't say that, I said "it's possible it was the Moon". :)
Quote from: Canine on July 19, 2018, 04:32:13 PM
seeker, are you serious? get over yourself.
I suggest that you need to take your own advice and get over yourself; I asked you a simple question in a nice way and you choose to act like you are at the top of the heap kicking dirt downhill
That isn't the way it works around here
Quote from: The Seeker on July 19, 2018, 01:05:37 PM
Hmmm, you did mention in your post that the light source blinks out 8)
The last time I looked, the moon doesn't have an on/off switch; aircraft landing lights do, so...
::)
I have to agree. I think it's an aircraft which has turned off that big headlight on the front of the aircraft. They turn it on for takeoffs and landings. Once they're up or down they turn it off.