Further concerns on free speech and media coverage on grooming case in the UK
Alex Jones disusses how you can now get arrested in the Uk for your free speech issues. and that the UK has now gone full 1984..
In this case a activist Tommy Robinson got arrested for his comments on how the Muslim grooming gang case in the Uk has been kept quite and on how the Police have been involved with it..
Today there has been numerous people campaigning for him to protest outside Downing Street London. and even climbing on its gates..
They say that Tommy Robinson has now disappeared and no one knows where he has been taken.
What I did not know is that Alex Jones had funded T.R with $20,000 or pounds for him to purchase photo equipment.
Make of it what you will !
https://metro.co.uk/2018/05/26/tommy-robinson-supporters-climb-gates-downing-street-arrest-7580655/
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Tommy Robinson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVaosvTeuw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBZclM-8bSc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkJ2g2S9-ag
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Tommy Robinson supporter empties can of Stella on top of Downing Street gates
The man empties his can of Stella on to Downing Street (Picture: REX)
Far-right protesters climbed the gates of Downing Street today to demonstrate against Tommy Robinson's arrest outside a grooming trial.
One man made it all the way to the top and was pictured emptying a can of Stella Artois right on to Theresa May's backyard.
Hundreds of the notorious figure's supporters chanted his name and shouted 'shame on you' as police were forced to close Whitehall.
The co-founder of EDL was led away by police outside Leeds Crown Court yesterday for allegedly breaching the peace.
His fans fear he may be jailed again as he's already under a suspended sentence over contempt of court at a gang rape trial in Canterbury last year.
Police wrestle supporters of Tommy Robinson outside Downing Street (Picture: Cover Images)
Officers stepped in yesterday to stop Robinson livestreaming so-called 'reports' outside the ongoing trial.
He showed men entering the court on Facebook until officers told him to stop.
The incident has spread fury among far-right activists, who turned up in force at Downing Street this afternoon to show Robinson their support.
Footage shows the large group waving St George flags as several men make their way to the top of the gates and pump their fists at onlookers.
Scotland Yard told Metro.co.uk the protest, which later moved to Parliament Square, was under control and no arrests were made.
However, photos show dozens of officers wrestling with supporters as they push towards the gates.
Nearly 90,000 people have now signed a petition to 'Free Tommy Robinson' in just 24 hours.
A video of yesterday's incident shows Robinson being led away by police.
He's heard asking one of his supporters: 'Can you get me a solicitor?
'This is ridiculous, I haven't said a word. I've done nothing.'
He's then filmed asking the police officers if he's being arrested on 'contempt of court'.
Supporters of Tommy Robinson protest his arrest outside Downing Street Featuring: Atmosphere Where: London, England, United Kingdom *
Tommy Robinson was arrested outside a grooming trial in Leeds yesterday (Picture: Cover Images)
Supporters of Tommy Robinson protest his arrest outside Downing Street Featuring: Atmosphere Where: London,
Before he's bundled into the van, he says: 'Someone laid their hand and assaulted me outside court.
'Other people have sworn at me and threatened me about my mother and here I am being arrested for saying nothing.'
People or newspapers can be in 'contempt of court' when they create a 'substantial risk' of prejudicing on ongoing court case.
It is a criminal offence that can land people in jail.
edit- https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/tommy-robinson-arrested-while-filming-outside-grooming-trial-in-leeds-a3848486.html
I have been following this on social media and it was shocking watching him get arrested, there is a video of one of the Asian groomers threatening to sexually assault one Tommys female relations' outside the court but the Police ignored that.
We wont be too far off a civil war in this country in my humble opinon - maybe that is what "they" want ?
#Angry
#Injustice
It is very hard to know what really maybe going on...
One the one side I am sure that the White races in the UK are overall highly concerned with the Muslim and race issues..
and what seems like bowing down to allow them more and more control over us..
Everywhere you look now... there are more and more various races on/in UK TV and media / adverts... and many blacks and Muslims getting into high positions..be it Mayor of London on in High positions on TV media Programmes. that the public have accepted more and more... we have been bombarded with it in the last few years..
Many of the older generations I think often have a real problem accepting it... as they they or their parents went thru WW2 ... and not to later have their future generation children replaced by other races on such a large scale that they would not had been easily accepted... but now they are told that they can no longer run the economy without the migrant or other races... (In ref to people like Doctors and Nurses and NHS staff that maybe true)
I have not been keeping up with certain things that I used to follow more.. often what A.J may have discussed..
so I was not greatly aware of what had happened to Tommy R.. but had been aware of the Grooming scandle...that had gone quiet.
Is Alex Jones legit in his views or Involved in stirring this up more and more ? on behalf of who ever is behind the scenes.
There seems a LOT of things starting to occur and other things that I am aware that are also due to occur..
that could cause chaos in the coming few months.
There has been some rather strange things that have been happening..
although that probably is always the case ... or seeming that way..
But is this another part to a NWO or EU realted plan to cause chaos in the UK..and onto other Countries..
Quote from: fansongecho on May 27, 2018, 10:43:55 AM
edit- https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/tommy-robinson-arrested-while-filming-outside-grooming-trial-in-leeds-a3848486.html
I have been following this on social media and it was shocking watching him get arrested, there is a video of one of the Asian groomers threatening to sexually assault one Tommys female relations' outside the court but the Police ignored that.
We wont be too far off a civil war in this country in my humble opinon - maybe that is what "they" want ?
#Angry
#Injustice
Quote from: astr0144 on May 27, 2018, 11:18:08 AM
It is very hard to know what really maybe going on...
One the one side I am sure that the White races in the UK are overall highly concerned with the Muslim and race issues..
and what seems like bowing down to allow them more and more control over us..
Frankly, I see no reason why only white Christians can have control over other people. :)
QuoteEverywhere you look now... there are more and more various races on/in UK TV and media / adverts... and many blacks and Muslims getting into high positions..be it Mayor of London on in High positions on TV media Programmes. that the public have accepted more and more... we have been bombarded with it in the last few years..
If they are part of the population why wouldn't they appear in the media? One thing I have noticed for a long time is that TV shows from the UK always showed a more diverse mix of ethnicities than those from US. For example, if I turn on the TV and see some movie in which there is mixed race couple, the odds of it being an UK movie are much higher than it being an US movie, and things have been like that for many years.
QuoteMany of the older generations I think often have a real problem accepting it... as they they or their parents went thru WW2 ... and not to later have their future generation children replaced by other races on such a large scale that they would not had been easily accepted... but now they are told that they can no longer run the economy without the migrant or other races... (In ref to people like Doctors and Nurses and NHS staff that maybe true)
Maybe if the UK hadn't had their hands on other countries things would be different. The UK was one of the last colonies powers, and the one that had some of the worse decolonisation programs, in many cases they almost abandoned the lands they were controlling without creating the conditions for those lands to keep on working. The fact that in most cases the ruling classes were from the UK and did not include local people made things worse, as local people looked at the UK as only a colonial power and not as a kind of partner.
(things were not perfect with the Portuguese decolonisation either, but they were better)
QuoteIs Alex Jones legit in his views or Involved in stirring this up more and more ? on behalf of who ever is behind the scenes.
You know what I think about Alex Jones, I think he is only interested in getting more money.
QuoteBut is this another part to a NWO or EU realted plan to cause chaos in the UK..and onto other Countries..
Or it's just a way of shifting the attentions from the other sex scandals the UK has always had...
If we or the races are all equal then that maybe so ArMap.
How history has evolved and why things have ended up as the way that they seem to be at varying times thru out history.. for what ever reason seems to have put the white race in a more powerful position in certain ways maybe.
Maybe it seems that they had gained more and have taken the decisions that changed the world more as it is now in terms of Power and control. ..However do they have a larger % of the Population ?
In terms of more recent periods...to now..certainly in the last 100 years.. or last 2 or 3 generations..
It seems a big change to what we see today... in terms of mixing the races within the European Countries.
But in an ideal world we could be seen as all equal... and if that was the case... it then seems to come down to fate and what actions people have taken to get in the positions that they are now...or it could be like that if there were not other forces that may have other effects to alter things.
In terms of what was seen as White race Countries... and with religions having been involved...
(Not that religion should really have had anything to do with certain things)
Then certainly the older generations have a problem with the changes we see now.
where as the younger ones dont really know greatly different in the growing up experiences , other than what older generations have told them.
but gradually more and more its being brought in and accepted that we have to intergrate more and more with other races like or not if those in power have made the decisions to do that.
When we had whatwhat seemed like the good times... and they disappeared or appeared to do..
then we see many of of our own races being replaced by other races on a quite a large scale..
or having to compete more and more for trying to gain what was seen as normal average lifes standard living conditions.
in terms of what they may be able to earn in employment.
They then see other racing taking many of the jobs or houses where they struggle to get housing... they see it as a big threat ! and thats part of the problem.
QuoteFrankly, I see no reason why only white Christians can have control over other people. :)
No doubt in the USA... its seems just the norm to see a mixture of races as we always see on TV programs..
so in that respect... for the Eurpopean races... it already seen as acceptable..
But I myself have only really noticed things seeming to be more of a mix on UK TV / or media TV adverts as becoming a more and more equal mixture of the races on certain well known programmes.
There is always another side to or for the mix of races...Multiculteral experiences for eg...and the mixing of their talents , personalities...and as David Ikce has said...he says the more diverse sort of make life more interesting..
and think in general it is accepted... but it when it seems to become over a certain limit then it becomes a concern...
no doubt older generations will be more prone to it...and within another generation if things stay as they are.. it will become more and more accepted.
I suppose the USA is a Guideline to what will likely happen..
I dont know if I agree with you, that you tend to see more mix race couples for many years (over 10 yrs) in UK movies ..
But maybe so within the last 5 to 10 years..
But if so ,I wonder why ?
QuoteIf they are part of the population why wouldn't they appear in the media? One thing I have noticed for a long time is that TV shows from the UK always showed a more diverse mix of ethnicities than those from US. For example, if I turn on the TV and see some movie in which there is mixed race couple, the odds of it being an UK movie are much higher than it being an US movie, and things have been like that for many years.
Yes as mentioned above... History has maybe all to be responsible for what has happened.
there are probably now better ways as we have eveloved and changes can be made for the better even now..but other things from the past cannot..
But even white races had problems with other white races... Romans as an eg
and many European countries were taken over by them.. or thru out history other white races have ruled at varying times...but in Europe as far as I am aware they have never been taken over by other Coloured races..such as Muslim type coloured or black or Chinese races..
QuoteMaybe if the UK hadn't had their hands on other countries things would be different. The UK was one of the last colonies powers, and the one that had some of the worse decolonisation programs, in many cases they almost abandoned the lands they were controlling without creating the conditions for those lands to keep on working. The fact that in most cases the ruling classes were from the UK and did not include local people made things worse, as local people looked at the UK as only a colonial power and not as a kind of partner.
(things were not perfect with the Portuguese decolonisation either, but they were better)
Yes I think I think now I do ! :) but maybe some other members may also have other opinions about him or his opinions also .. :)
I personally often think that I agree with some of the things he talks about.. or at least he makes me question things more or become aware of things that I was never aware about... he has opened my mind to various things..that I was never educated about.. similar to what this forum has educated me about numerous things that I never was aware about.
QuoteYou know what I think about Alex Jones, I think he is only interested in getting more money.
It certainly could be.... and its very hard to tell what really goes on , what maybe being made up or cover up or distracted...but the child abuse issues... have been quite a shock to most average decent people..
Quoter it's just a way of shifting the attentions from the other sex scandals the UK has always had.
Quote from: astr0144 on May 28, 2018, 10:02:05 AM
If we or the races are all equal then that maybe so ArMap.
People's hopes needs are the same, regardless of race.
QuoteIn terms of more recent periods...to now..certainly in the last 100 years.. or last 2 or 3 generations..
It seems a big change to what we see today... in terms of mixing the races within the European Countries.
Mixing races have always happened, mostly in the south of Europe. Look at Portugal, the example I know better.
Before the Roman invasion we had mostly Celt people, but then we got Romans and after them we were invaded by the Suebi and the Vandals, and finally the Visigoths. Then we had the Moors' invasion and even some Viking attacks. During all these centuries the different races (from the north of Europe (Celts, Suebi, Vandals and Visigoths, the Romans from what is now Italy and the Moors, mostly from today's Morocco and Algeria) mixed with the original inhabitants.
In the XV century Portugal started expanding to the North of Africa and, with the help of the newly invented caravels, went along the whole coast of Africa. In these new lands they also mixed with the locals, and the same thing happened when they reached what is now South America or when they reached India, China and Japan.
Mixing races is a natural thing, unless people live in an isolated place.
QuoteThen certainly the older generations have a problem with the changes we see now.
The funny thing is that we don't see that in Portugal. When my father was a boy, before WWII, a black person was a rare appearance on the streets, but even in small towns, the ones that lived there were treated the same way as anyone else by the majority of the population. The fact they were from the colonies and, because of that, also Portuguese, was important, as there was a common ground to help unite the different races. After the Carnation Revolution we had a large influx of people from the ex-colonies, from all races. Some years ago, when the Portuguese economy started to get better we got another influx of Brazilian immigrants, and also many people from China (starting with people from Macao, after we gave it back to China at the end of 1999. As an example, in the company where I work we have 5 Portuguese, 2 Brazilians, 1 Mozambican and 1 Cape Verdean. Racially, the 5 Portuguese are a mix of types for the north of Portugal (descending from the above-mentioned Visigoths), from the centre (more Roman influence) and from the south (Moor influence). The Brazilians have the usual mix of white, black and indian, while the Cape Verdean is the usual mix of black and white and the Mozambican is black.
QuoteWhen we had whatwhat seemed like the good times... and they disappeared or appeared to do..
then we see many of of our own races being replaced by other races on a quite a large scale..
or having to compete more and more for trying to gain what was seen as normal average lifes standard living conditions.
in terms of what they may be able to earn in employment.
In situations like this I always point that we didn't have any problems invading those people's lands and putting in power people that knew nothing (and cared even less) about the countries and only wanted to take as much as they could. Now that the things are different we are getting to see the other side of the coin.
QuoteThey then see other racing taking many of the jobs or houses where they struggle to get housing... they see it as a big threat ! and thats part of the problem.
Would they feel the same if the people taking their jobs were from the same race as them? Or would they also feel threatened?
QuoteNo doubt in the USA... its seems just the norm to see a mixture of races as we always see on TV programs..
so in that respect... for the Eurpopean races... it already seen as acceptable..
As I said before, I have always seen more racial mix from UK TV shows that from US shows.
QuoteThere is always another side to or for the mix of races...Multiculteral experiences for eg...and the mixing of their talents , personalities...and as David Ikce has said...he says the more diverse sort of make life more interesting..
It does, but it's more a cultural than a racial thing.
QuoteI suppose the USA is a Guideline to what will likely happen..
Seeing the racial problems they have, I hope not.
QuoteI dont know if I agree with you, that you tend to see more mix race couples for many years (over 10 yrs) in UK movies ..
But maybe so within the last 5 to 10 years..
I noticed some 30 years ago, so it's not a new thing.
QuoteBut even white races had problems with other white races... Romans as an eg
and many European countries were taken over by them.. or thru out history other white races have ruled at varying times...but in Europe as far as I am aware they have never been taken over by other Coloured races..such as Muslim type coloured or black or Chinese races..
The whole Iberian Peninsula was under Muslim rule for centuries, it started on the 700s and only ended by 1492.
I am no longer Islamophobic to the same degree that I was previously. I will still freely admit that Islam is a long way from being one of my favourite things; but at this point I don't believe that anywhere near as large a percentage of the Islamic population are a real problem, as is usually claimed by the hard Right.
To the extent that a majority of Muslims are a problem, they only are in the sense that they usually are not critical of the truly problematic minority, because they fear retaliation from said minority if they are. There is still a difference, however, between passively looking the other way, and engaging in active terrorism.
As someone who grew up with direct experience of the white patriarchy and its' drawbacks, I do not condone white supremacy. I don't generally like the social justice hypcrisy either; but I have never seen anyone who was worried about a supposed Islamic takeover of the planet, who was not also an adamant white supremacist.
Neither the Klan nor Black Lives Matter are the answer. I don't want white rednecks or fascist football hooligans ruling the planet, but I also certainly don't want ISIS.
As for the fascist decline of the UK, numerous people have predicted it for a long time. England has always been one of the most regimented and emotionally repressive cultures in existence that I know of, so it is completely predictable that there will at least be phases within the country's history, where it stops making even the pretense of being a free society.
I don't view the Muslims as being the cause of Western society's current problems. The real causes of that are automation, technological change, and environmental instability. Islam's inherent ugliness, and the genuine desire of some Muslims to dominate others, tragically make the religion an ideal scapegoat; but the real purpose of Islamophobia is political. If governments can keep the attention of their people focused on a supposed Islamic threat, then it can deflect civil unrest which might otherwise be directed towards them instead.
I just picked up this article in the UK - not all hero's wear capes
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ashton-kutchers-non-profit-organisation-thorn-saves-6000-child-victims-of-human-sex-trafficking/ar-AAy2kTv?ocid=spartanntp
I cant remain objective, or dispassionate, if I try to comment on this thread so I wont be doing. There are some great input posts though folks.
Cheers,
Fans'
It seems all thru out history , maybe all races have been invaded at some time or many ruled for so long and were later taken over.. seems at times its been an ongoing thing and part of humans evolvement..
But did it have to always be done the way it was and what maybe have now been an ideal soluton based upon what we may have learned from it all. ? I wonder ! or is there an ideal solution.
Racism is one thing....in terms of color... but some may also relate to intellect or mental or personailty , culture differences that could be seen equally as concerns to those who have concerns.
Or no doubt numerous things in ref to differences raise issues to those who believe that they differ or see problems in those differences.
Yes with Portugal... it is closer to Africa and it was known for its exploration and invasion of other countries of other races ... but im not quite sure how it compared to other main European countries without taking time to do further research.
I just recall certain things..mainly in the Uk s history in ref to the main countries that invaded it or has now mixed with it.
but maybe Portuagal did mix more with the Colored races earlier than most other European ones.
(Quotes from ArMaP from reply 5)
QuoteMixing races have always happened, mostly in the south of Europe. Look at Portugal, the example I know better.
Before the Roman invasion we had mostly Celt people, but then we got Romans and after them we were invaded by the Suebi and the Vandals, and finally the Visigoths. Then we had the Moors' invasion and even some Viking attacks. During all these centuries the different races (from the north of Europe (Celts, Suebi, Vandals and Visigoths, the Romans from what is now Italy and the Moors, mostly from today's Morocco and Algeria) mixed with the original inhabitants.
In the XV century Portugal started expanding to the North of Africa and, with the help of the newly invented caravels, went along the whole coast of Africa. In these new lands they also mixed with the locals, and the same thing happened when they reached what is now South America or when they reached India, China and Japan.
Mixing races is a natural thing, unless people live in an isolated place.
In your / our fathers (or grandfathers )generation as of most of us... back then there was relatively few coloured people that came into Europe. (other than maybe from the Slave rade days or since connections with the likes of countries like India)
BUT in this last 20 years... there has been much more mass migration..
and as I say.. from my own fathers generation.... just one generation later... I have seen what to me has now become a threat to not only my own but also the next generation in terms of opportunity or changes that have been made that at harder economic times now make competition for numerous thing now much harder.. when it should have been easier in many a older persons views..
yes ... automation is another major issue or cause of it to some extent... but I think part of the question is what are the REAL figures and statistics of %s we now have in our country ?
I dont think we will ever get the true figures as I believe that they will be hidden by Govts..
but all I do know is that where I live... numerous properties now house many a non british person..
Admittedly not all Colored races... as many are eastern europeans also..
and I do find that very disturbing..
QuoteThe funny thing is that we don't see that in Portugal. When my father was a boy, before WWII, a black person was a rare appearance on the streets, but even in small towns, the ones that lived there were treated the same way as anyone else by the majority of the population. The fact they were from the colonies and, because of that, also Portuguese, was important, as there was a common ground to help unite the different races. After the Carnation Revolution we had a large influx of people from the ex-colonies, from all races. Some years ago, when the Portuguese economy started to get better we got another influx of Brazilian immigrants, and also many people from China (starting with people from Macao, after we gave it back to China at the end of 1999. As an example, in the company where I work we have 5 Portuguese, 2 Brazilians, 1 Mozambican and 1 Cape Verdean. Racially, the 5 Portuguese are a mix of types for the north of Portugal (descending from the above-mentioned Visigoths), from the centre (more Roman influence) and from the south (Moor influence). The Brazilians have the usual mix of white, black and indian, while the Cape Verdean is the usual mix of black and white and the Mozambican is black.
That maybe so, but its the history that occurred... I suppose it could have been the other way around.
The question to me is why is it now like its become if we had taken power over many of the other Countries.
so why would Europe and the UK now want to bring in some many other nations..
I can only imagine to replace the past Europeans population that must have dropped..
Although maybe you do not believe the likes of what Alex jones suggests.. what he says maybe true..
that theres is some plan going on to alter the populations some how..be it to decline certain races and alter some.
or maybe they want more mixed raceed populace..
QuoteIn situations like this I always point that we didn't have any problems invading those people's lands and putting in power people that knew nothing (and cared even less) about the countries and only wanted to take as much as they could. Now that the things are different we are getting to see the other side of the coin.
The thing is most Eurpeans generations were held down due to WW2..
and once they built their countries back up and had children who they had hoped to prosper..
many of those Children have ened up in poverty since Thactchers 1980s unemployment issues where those Children from parent of WW2 have now had lees children than the parents generation..
Many have not had a full generation to reprosper..
and now many are replaced by other nations populace...
so that for many Brits... is highly frustrating ESPECIALLY if what was done both on WW2 and the 1980s was done by design as Alex Jones claims.. where he is suggesting that those in power created all that for themseleves to prosper from it all.. and to keep the populations down by taking employment away in that time period..
I personaly think there was a plan to destroy a certain % of the past white british families population.
and seeing what we see now realy rubs it into them..once he become aware of what may have been planned.
I agree in maybe most case other nations who have come to other countries are not seen as a terrorist type of threat when they migrate to other countries. (Only a relatively small % are terrorist types)
maybe part of the problem is why do they not want to stay in their own Countries...
Can they be fixed if they have been destroyed...I am sure that they could and the only thing stopping it is Govts... or those in Control !
Even the EU...issues with Brexit etc....
It maybe wanting to leave it...is not the best solution... BUT to fix why anyone wants to leave the EU ...
I peronsonally think that maybe a better solution..than leaving it to go alone..if was possible...
I think its beuroucrats that cause the problems with it..
I agree we do not want hooligan type characters in power..
but I also dont really want to be be flooded with too many other races...I am OK with a set %.
I mean if they want to replace us all..or a large % of us...
Bring in the top one % of China... it would flood us all out of Europe..
where do they draw the line !
and no doubt techology and automation do play their part..
but maybe also they could also be improved further still creating other emloyment to offer further employment in other areas or improvements... does the technology have to lower our employability in other areas or ways..
maybe it can also offer orr add other new types of work..adding to more advancements..but still offering employment..
where many of s may envision this where we may work less hrs and still have a decent living standard.
Quote from: petrus4 on May 30, 2018, 09:35:27 AM
I am no longer Islamophobic to the same degree that I was previously. I will still freely admit that Islam is a long way from being one of my favourite things; but at this point I don't believe that anywhere near as large a percentage of the Islamic population are a real problem, as is usually claimed by the hard Right.
To the extent that a majority of Muslims are a problem, they only are in the sense that they usually are not critical of the truly problematic minority, because they fear retaliation from said minority if they are. There is still a difference, however, between passively looking the other way, and engaging in active terrorism.
As someone who grew up with direct experience of the white patriarchy and its' drawbacks, I do not condone white supremacy. I don't generally like the social justice hypcrisy either; but I have never seen anyone who was worried about a supposed Islamic takeover of the planet, who was not also an adamant white supremacist.
Neither the Klan nor Black Lives Matter are the answer. I don't want white rednecks or fascist football hooligans ruling the planet, but I also certainly don't want ISIS.
As for the fascist decline of the UK, numerous people have predicted it for a long time. England has always been one of the most regimented and emotionally repressive cultures in existence that I know of, so it is completely predictable that there will at least be phases within the country's history, where it stops making even the pretense of being a free society.
I don't view the Muslims as being the cause of Western society's current problems. The real causes of that are automation, technological change, and environmental instability. Islam's inherent ugliness, and the genuine desire of some Muslims to dominate others, tragically make the religion an ideal scapegoat; but the real purpose of Islamophobia is political. If governments can keep the attention of their people focused on a supposed Islamic threat, then it can deflect civil unrest which might otherwise be directed towards them instead.
Quote from: astr0144 on May 31, 2018, 06:59:06 PM
Racism is one thing....in terms of color... but some may also relate to intellect or mental or personailty , culture differences that could be seen equally as concerns to those who have concerns.
The biggest difference is in culture, but skin colour is easier to point. In fact, all people want the same thing: to live and be happy.
QuoteOr no doubt numerous things in ref to differences raise issues to those who believe that they differ or see problems in those differences.
When someone wants to show someone else in a bad light to other people, the easiest way is to point that person as being "different". It could be any thing: politics, religion, race, soccer club, whatever, they just need to be different, as when we see a difference we start classifying people as "us" and "them", and we are easier to manipulate that way.
QuoteBUT in this last 20 years... there has been much more mass migration..
and as I say.. from my own fathers generation.... just one generation later... I have seen what to me has now become a threat to not only my own but also the next generation in terms of opportunity or changes that have been made that at harder economic times now make competition for numerous thing now much harder.. when it should have been easier in many a older persons views..
I see two main reasons for mass emigration: it's easier to travel and it's easier to know what is happening in other countries, so people in poor countries know that there are richer countries and that it's not that hard to reach them.
About things being worse now, is the UK's economy worse than it was during the 1980s?
QuoteThe question to me is why is it now like its become if we had taken power over many of the other Countries.
so why would Europe and the UK now want to bring in some many other nations..
They are cheaper.
QuoteAlthough maybe you do not believe the likes of what Alex jones suggests.. what he says maybe true..
that theres is some plan going on to alter the populations some how..be it to decline certain races and alter some.
or maybe they want more mixed raceed populace..
No, I don't believe Alex Jones. :)
What reason would they have to decline some races or have a more mixed race population?
Quote from: astr0144 on May 31, 2018, 07:08:43 PM
I agree we do not want holigan type characters in power..
but I also dont really want to be be flooded with too many other races...I am OK with a set %.
What if all those people came from, for example, the US or Germany? Would you have the same problem if they were of the same race as you?
Fair points... They are some reasons.. but I wonder are they the real reasons.
when times are appeared as harder they can lower wages...
if there is a benefits system.. many may opt for that than to take low paid hard jobs..
At one stage families would get their rent or morgage paid so it may have been seen as an easier option for them.
but in some cases that may have reduced the time frame that they will pay a morgage or rent for !
and single people only get paid a small ammount...of which there maybe more of the populace that are generlly unemployed so.. how long long are they really wanting to survive just on low benefits ? so they may be forced to seek work and benefits sytem has now been going more that way.. to try to encourage working more.
but even if migrants do arrive and take lower paid jobs.. in many cases its hard for them to survive on low money as many things they need to purchase are also expensive... although a lot of them are large families/ friends and club together to rent or buy property.
Are things now worse than they were in the 1980s..
I think we are led to believe that they have improved..
BUT when one looks into things in more detail.. with all the things we discussed or take into consideration..
it maybe hard to really know for sure..
as at one stage they brought in other types of work (that were limited hrs that they may make out as being a employed person on their statistics) and many things have changed in the benefits system..
but in terms of what maybe seen as good job opportunities..in comparision...I am not so sure that overall its improved that much or if wages have really improved % wise in terms of the time differences and how expensive things are today.
Id say expences seem quite alot higher but wages have not improved that much in comparision.
In terms of the actual employment figures (for avergage std jobs)... Id like to know the real figures and how they compare and also take into consideration what % of those are the original British people who may have those jobs ?
Other problems that I have observed... is how they seem to want to push the standards more and more.. to make us all compete more and more or harder and harder agaisnt each other and blame on for us to work hard to achive opportunity.. be it a better job or promotion or harder exams etc...
To many Life is is no longer averge life its more and more stress to compete...
when really it should not need to be like that !
Many Kids at school now are being tested more and more and have to commit to more and more authority and regulations...
QuoteI see two main reasons for mass emigration: it's easier to travel and it's easier to know what is happening in other countries, so people in poor countries know that there are richer countries and that it's not that hard to reach them.
About things being worse now, is the UK's economy worse than it was during the 1980s?
Some of my comments above relate to this..
QuoteThey are cheaper.
Maybe they want to encourage more mixed races and so away more with the white races..
WHY ? maybe they have reason overall that most may not understand ?
for eg.. many footballers or sports people in the UK and worldwide are other non white races..
so maybe geneticaly they have many aspects that whites do not have...
but also some things about the white races say intellectually maybe more over all superior..
so maybe they want to create more of mix of both..
thats only one eg that may come to mind.
QuoteNo, I don't believe Alex Jones. :)
What reason would they have to decline some races or have a more mixed race population?
I suppose ArMaP... this type of situation has already ocurred thru out history.
and effects us all at some stage...
in terms of the UK.. it was a mixture already of many different other countries white races.
be it Italian Roman, French Norman, German or Dutch Saxons, .. Irish Celts ...Danish or Swedish Vikings etc etc
but I suppose Life is short and for the time many of us had been alive if say over 30 yrs.. the white race in the uk for eg.. it was just what it was and what you were used to..
but when the colored races appeared more and more..along with more media and TV coverge as well as seeing those races on the street more or living in ones street now..
Its become more of a concern..
but the other issues is that we are being in my opinion more mind controlled to accept it..
as everyday now .. they come up with some new concerns about mixed race or racism..
and our children are now having to integrate more and learn about other races more and more.
I dont believe many of the original white Briish or Europeans want that for their children.
I think its all part of an EU thing.. to convert us to acccept it..
and at this rate the next generation certainly will be converted to accept it.. unless something is done to alter it going further and further..
although some conspiacists say it wont matter as we will all be cyborgs anyway in 30 yrs..
QuoteWhat if all those people came from, for example, the US or Germany? Would you have the same problem if they were of the same race as you?
Quote from: astr0144 on May 31, 2018, 08:06:27 PM
Maybe they want to encourage more mixed races and so away more with the white races..
WHY ? maybe they have reason overall that most may not understand ?
That's not really an answer, is it? :)
Quotefor eg.. many footballers or sports people in the UK and worldwide are other non white races..
so maybe geneticaly they have many aspects that whites do not have...
but also some things about the white races say intellectually maybe more over all superior..
so maybe they want to create more of mix of both..
If it worked like that then mixed races people would be "superior", and doesn't happen.
Quotebut when the colored races appeared more and more..along with more media and TV coverge as well as seeing those races on the street more or living in ones street now..
Its become more of a concern..
Once more, why don't you get concerned about people from other countries but from the same race? They are as foreigner as people from other races.
QuoteI think its all part of an EU thing.. to convert us to acccept it..
What's the problem with accepting people from other races? They are as human as yourself.
Not always an easy answer trying to figure out those in powers reasoning..
In ref to mixed races maybe becoming superior ... Its not been done on as large a scale that I am aware to really have the statistics on it...in relation to the scale that it maybe that it maybe become now (at least in Europe in terms of all the racial mix that we have today presently) Has it ever been on the same scale in past history in general Europe ?
Maybe more so in the mediterainian countries closer to Africa and Middle East / or Afganistan and surrounding borders towards India.
I was watching a clip of a Higher league U.K football team the other day and it seemed almost all the players were mixed race...there was not even many if an Black or White players amongst them.
so if that was one sort of eg.. that the sort of thing that I am referring to..
QuoteThat's not really an answer, is it, If it worked like that then mixed races people would be "superior", and doesn't happen.
Why would any set coloured race feel its Ok to be taken over by another Coloured race or any other white race for that matter... its the same principle....But I believe that we are being brain washed more to accept it..
just my opinion..
Ive only a problem when it gets to a certain % ....when they come into ones country that had been used to its own race for some generations..
Again why do they have to come to other Countries.. they come because they believe that can have a better live maybe in many cases..
but thats because their own govts or who ever has made their own Countries bad..
otherwise they would not need to come to Europe like that are doing now..
Does it need to be all about economics or money related that we accept them or not ? or what they maybe able to offer..
if we have our own alternatives... NO in that sense...
but we will accpt them if we are short of say Doctors and many other nationalies come to our countries as they have those skills or abilities knowlege etc.
on the other side of the arguement....
if we see the world as one country.... then our racial mix worldwide is how the World Populace maybe become..
maybe thats the way things are now going and its unlikely to refer back the way things seem to be heading..
unless somethig happens to put us back or past like history...
IS The Population situation a major concern in reality or can we keep expanding at the same scale and if so for how much further ? and is it a wise thing to do..
or maybe those in Power have other plans..that many conspirists believe is likely to happen.
QuoteOnce more, why don't you get concerned about people from other countries but from the same race? They are as foreigner as people from other races. What's the problem with accepting people from other races? They are as human as yourself.
Quote from: astr0144 on June 02, 2018, 05:41:25 PM
I was watching a clip of a Higher league U.K football team the other day and it seemed almost all the players were mixed race...there was not even many if an Black or White players amongst them.
OK, lets talk about football players. Who are the top two football players today? According to most people, Leonel Messi, from Argentina, and Cristiano Ronaldo, from Portugal. Neither of them is mixed-race.
Same racial characteristics are better for some things than others, but mixing them doesn't create a super man. For example, most marathon champions are from a specific area in Africa, either from Kenya or Ethiopia. But you won't find a black swimming champion, a sport dominated by whites because (apparently) of physical racial characteristics, with black people being less buoyant. This doesn't mean that a mixing a Kenyan and an Australian would give a marathon and swimming champion, as both characteristics would be "diluted" by the mixing.
Quotebut thats because their own govts or who ever has made their own Countries bad..
In most cases, it was European and other western countries that made their countries bad, by using them just as a source for cheap natural resources and cheap labour.
One example I read several years ago: in an African country they thought there was oil, so all the big companies went there and made tests. They found oil, so what they do? They move their specialised technicians from their country of origin (in Europe, in that case) and hire local manual workers. After several years the oil runs out and the company leaves the country, moving all the high-paying jobs back to Europe. In Africa they leave manual workers unemployed and depleted natural resources, so that African country gained nothing (maybe except for some high-ranking politicians that got some money from the oil company "under the table" to accept them instead of the competition). What would have been the best way of doing things? At least create schools so local people could learn those highly specialised jobs. While there wasn't enough specialised workers they could use those from Europe, but reducing the numbers as long as the local schools started sending out local specialised workers. Those schools could even teach how to look for more oil and how to care of the land after the oil company finished its work there, so they could help the country recover a little.
Why nobody does this? Because it costs money that is left in (in this case) Africa, so the European company gains nothing from doing it. Why doesn't the African country does that? Because they do not have the money for specialised schools, as they do not have to teachers and have to "import" them from the same countries from where the oil companies come.
20 years after, what the sons and daughters of those African manual workers can do? They know life is better in that European country and that it's easy to travel in Europe, so they can try their luck on that country or some other, so they try it, as life in their own country is as it was 30 or 40 years before and they see no way of things getting better.
Quoteif we see the world as one country.... then our racial mix worldwide is how the World Populace maybe become..
I don't see the world as one country, but I see humans as just one species, so I see no reasons to make things more difficult to some just because of something they cannot control.