MUFON just added it to their database, what do you guys think it is?
I think it's pretty darn neat looking.
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My family and I were on a flight from SeaTac to Las Vegas on our way to Las Vegas we saw the bright lights through the clouds. When we got closer we could see an outline it look like it had a window in the front and two lights on either side
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It looks like a reflection to me.
Armap, do you think they are submitting a hoax photo?
or are they just fooling themselves?
When I looked at the smaller 1st photo....
I consider was it a reflection of the viewing lights that are above passengers head that are quite close to the window.. or could also be from the other passengers on the other side of the isle..
but when I look at the 2nd larger wider field photo...I am not so sure.. That image appears more UFO like..in one way... but you cannot see the detail like you can on the other image.. so you do need to also take the closer up image into consideration..
bit of a catch 22 maybe..
It could be seen as having a good UFO Like effect..
thanks astro.
the family all seen it and they say it changed distance (got closer) over time as the plane approached so I think it was something, not a reflection. Of course, I'm assuming they/the submitter aren't lying.
Do you think maybe it could be something on the surface? It'd have to be bright to be looking like this in daylight.
edit: it's a pity they didn't describe the motion of the object more. those details would be nice to have.
I may had initially overlooked the writing shown from the family or did not fully take in what they had descibed.
If they say that the image got larger as either the aircraft got close to the UFO...
or the UFO got closer to the aircraft... (Which I would think seems more likely)
So the UFO is approaching closer to the aircraft from the what seems the aircrafts left hand side..
Then that would seem to suggest that it is a UFO or some sort of Craft... I would think.
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the family all seen it and they say it changed distance (got closer) over time
When you say on the Surface..
Do you mean something on the surface of the aircraft window ?
I would rather doubt that.. as I have never noted such a thing on aircraft windows.
I am suspecting that you would have experienced flying in an aircraft....
(If you have not... then that would suggest you would think different probably)
When I say that... As far as I recall... People do have the above lights on during in day time flying as well as night time..
Because natural light within an aircraft is not always that good..
so they switch them on to read.. or to have their meals..
So it can be a reflection of a above light during in day time..
Some lights are quite bright and often do reflect on the aircrafts windows..
But that can be also from an opposite side of the aircraft...
Most aircraft have whats known as 2 or 3 ISLES...
2 isles..means you have seat rows either side of the aircraft.. with an inner space that passengers or airline staff like stewardesses walk thru.
3 isles are for larger wider aircraft and also have a middle isle in between the two outer window isles..
so it could even be a refection from a middle isle light..
also if I recall aircraft have some other lighting along parts of the top of the aircraft .. or maybe near to the above small luggage compartments that are above the passengers..
every few seat rows there is a luggage compartment..
an open luggage compartment could also shine a light from with inside it..if someone had opened it...but after opening them, they are supposed to close them soon after..
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Do you think maybe it could be something on the surface? It'd have to be bright to be looking like this in daylight.
QuoteDo you mean something on the surface of the aircraft window ?
I mean on the ground. Ground level. sorry about that.
Oh you mean could it be some light souce at ground level...
Yes, I think that could be possible..It would be good to know how high aircraft was at the time of the photo..
But my impression is its quite high up... and I am not really certain that it is some ground level light source, if the aircraft was very high up .. say at 30,000 feet for eg..
At that height in those conditions, that It appears to look like to me... I would rather doubt thats its a Ground light source....But thats only my opinion..
Obviously its blue clear sky above ... and we can see some cloud at lower level.
Just how clear it is below on average maybe hard to say..
It can be quite clear lower down... but you also get spells of cloud or misty haze..
It does appear a bit misty on the light source or UFO image on the closer up photo.
You tend to notice lights on the ground more so as the daylight fades..
during the day although there can be visible light sources still at ground level...I dont think they stand out too well..
and it does appear to me as if the photo was taken in quite good day light..
One other issue maybe.. that some on the forum may question images from Mufon...
I think they often do not trust them..
Quote from: Canine on August 12, 2018, 03:45:06 PM
I mean on the ground. Ground level. sorry about that.
Quote from: Canine on August 12, 2018, 02:40:14 PM
Armap, do you think they are submitting a hoax photo?
or are they just fooling themselves?
What I think, in descending order of probability:
1 - they may be fooling themselves;
2 - they are submitting what they know is not an UFO;
3 - I am wrong and it's a genuine UFO.
Edited because I missed what was said by the witness.
With what the witness says I think possibility 1 is less likely, or is what is happening but the witness is making it sound more believable by adding that other people saw it.
Having only one photo is also suspicious.
Quote from: ArMaP on August 12, 2018, 04:10:54 PM
Having only one photo is also suspicious.
Here is the crux of the matter. If a number of people saw this on the plane then there would be multiple photographs and from multiple sources. If you saw that you would say something to the other passengers surely?
Quote from: Canine on August 12, 2018, 03:13:32 PM
the family all seen it and they say it changed distance (got closer) over time as the plane approached so I think it was something, not a reflection. Of course, I'm assuming they/the submitter aren't lying.
WHY would you assume that? :P Since it was only the submitters 'family' that saw it and no other passenger... and no other passenger was alerted to look at it.. and there is ONLY ONE PICTURE... I would assume hoax first.
If I saw a real UFO out the window I would snap a series of photos, until it was gone, not just ONE picture.
In my Nissan I have a passenger light just like the ones above airplane seats. It has a lit button in center and a bright light either side pointing to each front seat
This looks like a reflection of one of those lights in the window
(http://www.ijdmtoy.com/BLOG/Showcase/Car-LED-Blog/galleries/2011-12-19/Nissan-Versa-LED-interior-lights-2.jpg)
QuoteDo you think maybe it could be something on the surface? It'd have to be bright to be looking like this in daylight.
No Its a reflection
Quoteedit: it's a pity they didn't describe the motion of the object more. those details would be nice to have.
Hard to describe the motion of a reflection :P
Now them what do yo see here?
(https://www.metabunk.org/sk/20151124-113032-vf8f3.jpg)
Zorgon, we don't know how many photos they took or how many other passengers seen it. It is so recent we have to wait and see if anything trickles out. All we know is they submitted one photo.
I wouldn't even bother to photograph a flying saucer if I saw one out back. I don't even know why anyone would bother. Best case scenario is you end up looking like nutcase.
Quote from: Canine on August 14, 2018, 10:47:58 AM
I wouldn't even bother to photograph a flying saucer if I saw one out back.
I would take as many photos as possible, showing them to other people is a different thing. :)
But if I showed one I would show them all.
Quote from: Canine on August 14, 2018, 10:47:58 AM
Best case scenario is you end up looking like nutcase.
You would if you though a reflection was a UAP and didn't alert anyone else present to take a photograph.
If you are on a plane full of people and you see a craft then tell everyone on board folks. Take as many pics as you can. Get as many witnesses as you can.
When we saw a novel craft we immediately talked about it with each other. It was amazing so you'd hardly glance at it and just forget. If it had been modern times we would have photographed it repeatedly. It stands to reason.
Quote from: ArMaP on August 14, 2018, 01:55:45 PM
I would take as many photos as possible, showing them to other people is a different thing. :)
But if I showed one I would show them all.
Armap, On second thought I'd probably do this too. But I'd skip the showing people part. Of course, if I could find a buyer I'd sell 'em in private.
But I wouldn't want to look away if i saw one, I'd just try to take in the experience so I probably wouldn't even be thinking about the camera. Plus I don't carry a smartphone, I'm old fashioned so i dont have one on me.
Imagine going for your camera and missing something. Or if you were on a plane and you point out the UFO outside of the plane and all of a sudden it is gone, now you look like a madman on a plane in post 9/11 america. I think the family was wise if they kept it to themselves. But there could be more witnesses and photos as the report shows this is recent and we only know what mufon has been told thus far. There could be a video of this thing on some fella's facebook, we'd never know until someone connects the dots.
Quote from: Canine on August 14, 2018, 03:47:49 PM
But I wouldn't want to look away if i saw one, I'd just try to take in the experience so I probably wouldn't even be thinking about the camera.
I would. :)
QuotePlus I don't carry a smartphone, I'm old fashioned so i dont have one on me.
I don't have one either, or even an old style cell phone, I don't like telephones.
QuoteImagine going for your camera and missing something.
There's always that possibility, but the opposite also happens, if you don't try to take a photo you will not get more than your memory of the event. That's one of those occasions in which people have to judge how much of each they want, risk missing something to get the camera or not getting a camera for fear of missing something.
QuoteOr if you were on a plane and you point out the UFO outside of the plane and all of a sudden it is gone, now you look like a madman on a plane in post 9/11 america.
I would't say "look, an UFO", I would ask other people "what is that?", that way other people would run the risk of looking mad. :)
QuoteI think the family was wise if they kept it to themselves. But there could be more witnesses and photos as the report shows this is recent and we only know what mufon has been told thus far. There could be a video of this thing on some fella's facebook, we'd never know until someone connects the dots.
If they wanted people to know they should provide the dots and the line to connect them, I never understood that "I want people to know but I will not show it" idea.