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Time to Stir the Pot

It has been way to quiet on this forum for some time... and yet suddenly there is an influx of people wanting to rehash old topics.

In the interest of stimulating some activity here again, I am going to allow a little more leeway.  keep it civil, keep it to the point..  but be warned if it gets out of hand the Axemen are in need of exercise

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With all the recent bruhaha over the TTSA and Skin Walkr ranch stuff coming out... there is a thought that comes to mind...


Let's for the sake of discussion assume that the Alien thing is real and that the Cabal (the secret government behind the government) has managed to keep it secret all these years...

So  what do we have?

1) Thousands of official released UFO files from various government agencies around the world since 2000ish all freely available online

2) Not ONE flesh and blood alien or nuts and bolts flying saucer in ANY of those reports, just "UFO's" and "UAP's"

3) British MoD, Blue Book and now the pentagon UFO watch programs closed because they were too expensive and produced no results, found no threats

4) Skin Walker ranch story and connection to Robert Bigelow.  Now for decades we have all wanted to know what went on there... and finally we are seeing a 'release' of that information...  well are we?

5) Harry Reid, that POS ex Senator that caused John to lose his mining claim because he was involved in that attempted land grab that involved the Bundy Ranch incidence... (and lost 5 million when the Chinese pulled out of that deal he had) is now suddenly "Mr UFO expert" and gets 26 million or so to share with Bigelow to pursue UFO's. Harry says he doesn't want to talk about Roswell saucers or "little green men"... that what we have is Demons...

6) So we find a long list of names involved in this TTSA new program, Robert Bigelow (NIDS), Tom DeLonge, Harry Reid, Hal Puthoff (OWL in the old AVIARY UFO group), George Knapp, and now Bob Lazar, Springer (Mark Allin) from ATS and Robbie Williams.

7) George tried to sell the Skin Walker story to Netflix. They turned it down several times. So he ends up getting mixed up with 4 Names (I refuse to give that schmuck ANY press time :P ) and look at the result... pure bullshit and no real info...

8) Gene Huff is pissed at 4 Names... yet it was him that introduced Bob to him.  John Lear is pushed to the sidelines, despite all the material 4 Names got from him, there is no contract so John gets nothing. John has stated recently that "it doesn't matter who gets the credit, so long as the info get's out"  To me that doesn't sound like the john I know. I know he is in poor health but this sounds more like he was told to back off.  This is just my gut feeling..I will ask him when I see him this week

9) Then we get a new 'whistle blower" Luis Elizondo who we find out is already working for TTSA  Well there goes an unbiased information out the window...  I wonder how much his paycheck is?

There is more I am sure and I will add it if I think of it... Anyone else is free to add more points...

But here is the thought...

IF the Alien stuff IS real (as most here believe) I cannot thing of a better way for the cover up to get renewed than turning the whole thing into the media circus it has now become...

There is a lot of big money players involved... so you can bet your last dollar they all expect to reap BIG rewards on this... If they were in it to get the facts out, we would already have the answers instead of these stupid "documentaries' that provide nothing and just rehash the same old same old and add a ton of fresh manure to the pile.

So you may all be drooling over thsi new 'release'  I for one will just buy more popcorn and watch this circus unfold...  But really, it's all so old that it's not even entertaining anymore...

My 2 cents worth...

Back to the rocks... at least THOSE are real  :P

hey is stirring the pot  the same as circling the drain?  ?  ?  ::)

i am tossing either oil or water on this flame..depends on your point of view

you guys know i luv to search..it's my fun thing..
i have noticed that the pickins are getting slimmer and slimmer and more recent info and less diversity in the finds..
i have always held that you need three seperate and individual sources to make a good reference to anything
but   now
it's like having a library of only selected authors pretending to reference older more knowing folk

i truly believe we are being funneled down to where someone is in total control of what we find and by the next 10 / 20 or maybe even sooner.. real info into what actually has been seen and heard will not be available

just stories by the likes of four names and a few others like mufon guys...

i am glad i have my little library that doesn't depend on google, etc.
not that every written older word is true...but the range is wider for me to base my opinion on

so opposing opinions  imo are a good thing.. as long as they are civil
if you have to throw stones or call names  to make your point then you don't have good info

on the ufo stuff...i believe what i have seen  and what i have experienced can not be explained by anything i have read here or elsewhere at this time and that the most you guys can do is share stories
while bob might be a smart man i think he was selected to share info..wheather it was misleading or true.. hummmmmmmmmm maybe both..
john on the other hand makes me think of my dad.. who luved to let you think something after tons of pointing out all the 'facts' only to laugh loudly and point at the smoke and mirrors..never letting on what part of the ruse was fact.. you're on your own


i also think that the ufo thing is the santa claus story of someone (thing) enjoying our lack of progress in figuring it out
but hey..wtf do i know

play on ...  i'm going back to my jig saw puzzle   i can solve that  ;D

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Let's for the sake of discussion assume that the Alien thing is real and that the Cabal (the secret government behind the government) has managed to keep it secret all these years...

So  what do we have?

1) Thousands of official released UFO files from various government agencies around the world since 2000ish all freely available online

2) Not ONE flesh and blood alien or nuts and bolts flying saucer in ANY of those reports, just "UFO's" and "UAP's"

3) British MoD, Blue Book and now the pentagon UFO watch programs closed because they were too expensive and produced no results, found no threats

4) Skin Walker ranch story and connection to Robert Bigelow.  Now for decades we have all wanted to know what went on there... and finally we are seeing a 'release' of that information...  well are we?

5) Harry Reid, that POS ex Senator that caused John to lose his mining claim because he was involved in that attempted land grab that involved the Bundy Ranch incidence... (and lost 5 million when the Chinese pulled out of that deal he had) is now suddenly "Mr UFO expert" and gets 26 million or so to share with Bigelow to pursue UFO's. Harry says he doesn't want to talk about Roswell saucers or "little green men"... that what we have is Demons...

6) So we find a long list of names involved in this TTSA new program, Robert Bigelow (NIDS), Tom DeLonge, Harry Reid, Hal Puthoff (OWL in the old AVIARY UFO group), George Knapp, and now Bob Lazar, Springer (Mark Allin) from ATS and Robbie Williams.

7) George tried to sell the Skin Walker story to Netflix. They turned it down several times. So he ends up getting mixed up with 4 Names (I refuse to give that schmuck ANY press time  ) and look at the result... pure bullshit and no real info...

Gene Huff is pissed at 4 Names... yet it was him that introduced Bob to him.  John Lear is pushed to the sidelines, despite all the material 4 Names got from him, there is no contract so John gets nothing. John has stated recently that "it doesn't matter who gets the credit, so long as the info get's out"  To me that doesn't sound like the john I know. I know he is in poor health but this sounds more like he was told to back off.  This is just my gut feeling..I will ask him when I see him this week

9) Then we get a new 'whistle blower" Luis Elizondo who we find out is already working for TTSA  Well there goes an unbiased information out the window...  I wonder how much his paycheck is?

There is more I am sure and I will add it if I think of it... Anyone else is free to add more points...

I got a 1/2 cent to chip in.

1) I don't believe John would continue to associate with anyone that would fabricate a story based on his material. I think he would strongly condemn those that would do that. So watching the Lazar-Meiers debate unfold seems a bit strange as Lear is a highly repected member that is quite meticolous in his research.

2) I also don't think Gene Huff would sit idly by.

3) Is it remotely possible that if Lazar DID work on a craft's propulsion system that it could possibly been a craft of the same type, thus the similarities? 

4) What the heck happened with the Disclosure Project? Did that favor the money train vs. facts? How many careers would have sank over that? Why does there seem to be different camps of UFOlogists all proclaiming each other as frauds? It would make more sense to unite and get to the truth once and for all. I think too much butt-hurt for that to happen.  :-\

Quote from: zorgon on January 03, 2019, 12:04:24 AM
6) So we find a long list of names involved in this TTSA new program, Robert Bigelow (NIDS), Tom DeLonge, Harry Reid, Hal Puthoff (OWL in the old AVIARY UFO group), George Knapp, and now Bob Lazar, Springer (Mark Allin) from ATS and Robbie Williams.

Springer and Robbie Williams connected to TTSA? I only saw a thin connection to the Skinwalker Ranch.

i havent given up.i got 26 thousand views on my ufo motor thread.

im cautious of what i say these days because too many folks have ban buttons and each has their own agenda.

theres so many bots on the forums these days and im not gonna waste a bunch of time chatting with bots.
or be banned for suggesting someone may be a bot.
so in my paranoia of bots everywhere,i just chill out and not share my secrets anymore.

also tired of ancient aliens stealin my stuff.lol.

A few more items to add to the list of characters and happenings of the new disclosure side show  ::)

10). We have Gary McKinnon, a small time amateur hacker who claims to have stumbled upon a folder containing a list of 700 "non-terrestrial" billets after tapping into a non-protected computer, and it's amazing how he was fighting extradition to the states and now suddenly he is here in the states and appearing on the bill for the ufologist circus...

11). John Podesta, former chief of staff for Slick Willie and deeply involved in Hillary's 2016 campaign, pushing that she would make full disclosure a top priority whilst patronizing Tom DeLonghe as the millenials were spoon fed their agenda...

then add in George Knapp and 4 names to Tom Delonghe's buddy list...

Moe, Larry, and Curly...

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::) ::) ::)

12). Micheal Salla's "whistle blowers", i.e. Corey Goode and all the alleged "secret space program" cast of characters spinning the tales of clandestine corporate colonies on Mars, extraordinary fleets of space vehicles, and not to mention the ability to take Goode 20 years in the past to re-insert him into his teenage body at the exact time he left for his 20 year tour of duty, along with the discovery of million year old Martian colony ships buried under the Antarctic ice sheet

Pass the popcorn, Z...

Interesting...just caught this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTiVDJOLuHg

Quote from: ArMaP on January 03, 2019, 01:28:41 AM
Springer and Robbie Williams connected to TTSA? I only saw a thin connection to the Skinwalker Ranch.

Thin?  when your boss Springer came out and publicly stated they were in on the Skin Walker deal?  LOL

Internet Movie Data Base has this list of interesting names involved

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Eric Davis works with/for Hal puthoff at EarthTech and his name has come up several times on our radar especially in regards to the Air Force Stargate papers and others

John Alexander is Col John Alexander former head of the Aviary UFO group and he has been involved in EVERY aspect of the UFO story. Hal Puthoff was also Aviary group as was Bigelow, but I don't know his bird name (He was head of NIDS thought)

George Knapp and Robert Bigelow are on that list and so are ROBBIE WILLIAMS and MARK ALLIN

So i would say the connection is not that thin :P

ETA
This is interesting  Posted by the owner of the Black vault:

Dr. Eric Davis, TTSA and the BLATANTLY FALSE Information Being Touted - Along With Out of Line Insults Towards Various Researchers

QuoteI wanted to post this here, because my response has source links to completely disprove what Dr. Davis is claiming. This is key here, because Dr. Davis, although not a spokesperson, is heavily connected to this story, and has been acting as the "bulldog" defending the TTSA mission, Mr. Luis Elizondo, etc.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/8i04ky/dr_eric_davis_ttsa_and_the_blatantly_false/

OOPS... I ran out of Popcorn...  be back later

Quote from: Ellirium113 on January 03, 2019, 04:35:59 AM
Interesting...just caught this:

HOLY CRAP!!!!! This is AWESOME!!!!

So it's MAGIC they discovered  and the CIA is channeling Aliens?

WOW what a find  I can deal with this  :D  It fits more into my Reality

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Hey All. New here. Used to converse with John on GLP, and really miss the open contact and amazing advice, info and stories.

Super interesting vid above.

I personally also believe pretty much anything we are 'discovering' is either funneled or pushed to enact some end result. Even counter arguments, which create a healthy discussion and perpetuation of certain themes.

Intel dumps and 'testing of the waters' via limited releases of intel to me, are pretty much the only way to peek into the world behind that veil. But they're still a controlled release, seeking a deliberate end, if only to understand that this particular pathway doesn't work, or cant easily be controlled.

There was some mention of Hollowman AFB, and the 1971 (alleged) landing. The shut down and rapid development of a plausible deniability (child porn janitor...???!!! seriously...) of the that New Mexico observatory late last year I think has more to do with the 1971 landing. Either a departure or a new landing, which could very easily have been seen from the observatory. (which indeed was used to film many test flights and other  launches from that base)

Anyway, looking forward to learning from you all, and hopefully contributing some info where I can. I'm an Aussie, I was dragged into this CT world via the infamous BEZERK thread on GLP, and have pretty much remained there since, despite the death of the OP. I like thinking about stuff, and working stuff out, especially starting with what if...



PS - water isnt blue...

Quote from: BadHairDay on January 03, 2019, 06:44:30 AM
PS - water isnt blue...

Oh but it IS  :P

"While relatively small quantities of water appear to be colorless, pure water has a slight blue color that becomes a deeper blue as the thickness of the observed sample increases. The blue hue of water is an intrinsic property and is caused by selective absorption and scattering of white light."

You can test this yourself... Get a clean white bucket and fill it with pure distilled water....

COLOR of any object does not exist technically as all we see is reflected frequency of light...


The real color of water is blue — here's why

https://www.zmescience.com/other/science-abc/the-real-color-of-water-blue/


Welcome... 

John has not posted here in some time... but you can find him on facebook these days.

I have mentined that 4 Names will do more harm than good with his 'documentaries'

Well it's already strating to happen.  Here are just a few comments from Reddit

ZzZzish
29 days ago
Jeremy Corbell makes Bob Lazar's story sound fabricated. 3:
He's a "meh" filmmaker who hypes up everything to an unnecessary, surreal degree. Hunt for the Skinwalker was extremely disappointing. After hearing a super enthusiastic interview, i thought it would be (at least) entertaining... i have never been so effing bored and turned off from paranormal mumbo. Jeremy is a douche ruining, hollywood ass.

WolfgangJones
28 days ago
Harsh, and maybe even warranted criticism of Corbell, although I don't have my own opinion because I've never given much time or credence to UFOlogy or Corbell, even though I believe in aliens. I tripped over to his website (www.extraordinarybeliefs.com), however, and watched one other film, Immaculate Deception, about John Lear. Not a good film if his intent was to provide any proof of anything. On the other hand, it was good look at what the life of a committed (and paranoid) UFOlogist might look like.

Disclaimer: only saw part 1

from here:

Why Did the FBI Raid the Home of the Biggest Alien Truther?

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/a31m2b/why_did_the_fbi_raid_the_home_of_the_biggest/

If nothing else, my experience with psychedelics gave me the impression that we live in a much larger, and more highly populated universe than the majority might think.  I will also say that I've seen several theoretical explanations for the propulsion systems of ET craft which make sense to me, to the point where I think they might be possible.

For me, the one big hurdle to physical ETs is the sheer amount of physical distance between Earth and other solar systems/galaxies where they might live.  Stargates and FTL drives can potentially get around that problem though.

I am more or less certain that other life exists; I'm just not sure I think it is corporeal or physical in exactly the same way we are.  At this point I'm probably more leaning in the direction of a radio-like, frequency based extradimensional model for aliens, rather than a strictly physical one.  I think an ERP bridge or TARDIS will look more like the real spacecraft of the future, than the space shuttle.

Quote from: BadHairDay on January 03, 2019, 06:44:30 AM
Hey All. New here. Used to converse with John on GLP, and really miss the open contact and amazing advice, info and stories.

Anyway, looking forward to learning from you all, and hopefully contributing some info where I can. I'm an Aussie, I was dragged into this CT world via the infamous BEZERK thread on GLP, and have pretty much remained there since, despite the death of the OP. I like thinking about stuff, and working stuff out, especially starting with what if...

Welcome aboard Badhairday  8) Please jump on the New Member intro thread and tell us about yourself if so inclined  8)

Hi everyone, 

I don't think that I will ever not be pleasantly surprised by the coalition of truth seekers that we have on Pegasus.  :)

Although in general I have a strong opinion about how feckless and dangerous & selfish we are as a species, I do get a lot of enjoyment engaging with, or sometimes just sitting back and observing the threads and posts from the many contributors on here. 

People from all over the Globe / Flat Earth / Hollow Earth / Hologram continue to contribute,  ;D ;D and often-times open my eyes to another angle on topics or arguments, and I know I can honestly say hand on heart that my critical thinking has been improved by being part of this most excellent forum.

I asked a while back how you folks got involved with Pegasus, and there seemed to be a common theme that in short that could be interpreted as "seeking the truth" although we all came here by a few different routes, it does look to me at least that the one common element that binds this disparate group together is getting to the core truth of the many topics and phenomenon discussed on here (and other Forums) –

[You may want to go and get a coffee or something stronger if you are reading this post as I am off for 4 days with a damaged ankle so have loads of time to put thoughts to "paper"]

I have been interested in the UFO Phenomenon since I was a young lad, and read UFO's ARE Real, and the Barney and Betty Hill abduction case – I was fascinated by the USAF Blue Book Story, Thomas Mantel, & Kenneth Arnold etc

I also had a interest in ghost stories and other left field topics like, children raised by wild animals, the Yeti, Big Foot etc.

Back in the 70's as most of you folks in your 40's and 50's and 60's will know, if one wanted to research a subject you went to your local library and took out some books and read up on the material.

The UK TV had 3 Channels in the 60' & 70's 2 were controlled by the BBC, and one was independent and commercial, a 4th was added in the early 80's, and 5th went live in 1997. 

The Newspapers in the UK where either Labour or Conservative flavoured, and the radio was either BBC or Pirate Radio (I loved Radio Caroline growing up) –

So, a person's belief system was largely shaped by their schooling, as well as their peers and adults.  (which back then was divided into Secondary Education, or Grammar School depending if you passed an exam called the 11 Plus)

It was a 2 Tier education system, which thankfully doesn't exist now, but it doesn't need to as the UK Education system in my honest opinion has been to totally dumbed down – Everything is superficial, the kids over here have an attention span of Nano-seconds it seems, and please don't use big words in conversations with them, that is if they can get their zombie heads up and off their Apple 7 for more than 30 seconds.
So, my point was, we had to go and research information and draw one's own conclusions –

Nobody talked about critical thinking back then, I don't know when I realised there was such a thing, but I do know that I had a curious mind about a lot of topics, some mainstream (the Cold War, The Moon Landings, The Common Market) and some not so, UFO's, Spooks/Ghosts etc.

So back then as a spotty faced youth,  I didn't really know much about anything, but I had a very curious mind, and after I joined Royal Air Force at 16 and ½ years I couldn't get enough of asking questions about all manner of subjects, and I tried to approach lads and lasses in the RAF who I thought would give me straight answers – although I did get my leg pulled a lot in the early days as I progressed through my career I gradually started to work out a method that seemed to work best for me when investigating stories and folklore –

So where am I going with this?  essentially the way I see IT, the majority of people on here, and other Forums is that we are trying to establish the truth about a huge spectrum of esoteric subjects and topics;

Some of these topics are very tightly inter-woven with each other, some are totally separate, some seem on the surface to hold some merit, some seem so outlandish that they must just be a hoax or fantasy –

I guess that most of us have a methodology we employ to pierce the veil of secrecy, and uncover the lies, and smokescreens that surround and obfuscate the subjects we are interested in?. 

I try and go with personal testimony from trusted sources on here and with other forums, I try and use a number of various integrated methods when doing my research, such as historical data, video & image data, and 1st person(s) testimony, and hopefully deductive reasoning all help me form my view and belief about an event or sighting or story.

Due to the nature of these topics it is nearly impossible to apply the "scientific method" and establish empirical outputs for collection and analysis – which is a major obstacle for many of us I think.

The UFO Topic has so many different angles and sub-topics, but I have decided to focus on a small number of sub topics, for me it is way to easy to get side tracked and dragged down another rabbit hole.

I am interested in –
1 - Actual video/image sightings of UFO / UAP across the World – The Belgium UFO Wave as an example
2 – The John L & Bob Lazar A-51 Sightings and background story
3 – The abduction phenomenon
4 – The Cattle Mutilation phenomenon

We all know that there are a lot of characters in the Ufology field with broad, direct and indirect experience of the above – although its no wonder that we collectively get called the Tin Foil Hat brigade, I can't really blame outsiders for labelling us, can you?

Getting back to Z's comments on the latest in the UFO Pantomime that is 4 Names, George K, and the To the Stars Academy. 

Not forgetting Corey "Time Jumping" Goode, David Wilcock and the Gaia money maker, alongside The Disclosure Project with Dr Greer and a number of other Investigators, I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that its all about the money and their 15 minutes of fame and fortune.

I guess in the early days, before the topic became mainstream, there were plenty of independent researchers who were genuinely looking to uncover the truth, but now the topic has become toxic - that and I am going to recalibrate my interest into Point 2 of the list above, because there is so much noise on the other 4 broad topics it is too easy to get defocussed and distracted –

Why John L and Bob L and the A-51? well I trust Z for a start, and I think IF it is possible that the Bob Lazar story can be proven to be either a Psy-OP / elaborate disinformation project by the CIA OR actually true - it will help ME moving forward, and researching the other 3 subjects listed above - for me at least, this is the Turnkey to the UFO topic and where I go from there.

I can really separate out the others, once I have made up my mind about the Bob L story, because at the moment I have more questions than answers, and I am going to go away and generate the questions that I think Z can put in front of John and eventually Bob L about some of the more mundane but I think pertinent elements of the story.

Sorry for such a long post.

Cheers!   :)

Fansongecho

it seems that a lot of this doubles back to  b l and his tellall after only a few days on the job..imo
after reading the timeline of his life 
here
http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/the-bob-lazar-corner/the-lazar-timeline/

my observation is that he is one of those very smart motivated by his own interests types and willing to be bought
thereby
my conjecture is that the info he shared was controlled
by whom....the gov
>he was recruited and handled the entire time he was 'employed" (?)
>no one came after him when he supposedly spilled the beans about what he supposedly saw
why  ..
smoke and mirrors..either the searchers of truth were getting to close and needed to be moved away from something
or led to something

i don't think what he saw matters so much as why he was used to lead the group towards something



what i really think is going on is a dimension bled that someone high up was notified about long ago and uses  this subject as a false lead
but like i said wtf do i know bwhahahahah




edit..
i forgot to add this as a parting shot..just follow the above link to this guy's added post
it ends with this..very telling imo

QuoteTo wrap this up, I'd like to leave you with a quote, reportedly straight from the mouth of Lazar, related to me by someone who once knew him:

"The more incredible the lie, the more people will believe it."

Thus speaketh the Bob. On this one point, I guess I gotta agree with him.

No ..look over there said the voice
bwhahahahahahahahah

Not sure if the below goes here or on another Bob L thread?? - move as required though guys.

Questions – (said in the voice of Rutger Hauer from Blade Runner

The famous interview with George Knapp –
1, Although they blacked out Bob's face, they didn't attempt to alter his voice, and why did Bob use the name of his boss Dennis – anyone who has heard Lazar speak would recognise that voice.

2, Lazar states that he approached Edward Teller when he wanted to change his career, he meet him after Teller visited his labs and showed an interest in Bobs rocket car, when was this?

3, Who did Bob work for at A-51, was it the Navy, Air Force, EG&E, The CIA

4, Somewhere in the story it was stated that the reason for role was two or more scientists had tried to investigate the anti-matter part of the UFO propulsion system and they had died in a serious explosion – can Bob explain more about this part of the story, in as much detail as possible.

5, The S4 region of Nellis lays immediately outside of A-51, but with no restrictions of over fly, the RAF Pilots who are involved with Red and Green Flag say there are no height or area restrictions anywhere BUT for A-51 and they say that this is the only area that they know not to approach or fly over during war games, S4 has no such restrictions – why the discrepancy ?? surly Alien Technology would be as classified as any other black project at A-51 and the no-fly would extend as a matter of course to S4.

6, Was Bob a contractor or full-time employee at S4, how many days did he work there?

7, How long was it after Bob L meet John Lear that he started working at A51 / S4?

8, If the Powers that Be, knew that Bob L's wife was having an affair why did they not step in and stop Lazar from working at A51/S-4 – iIntelligence services are not going to allow a Physist with a TS clearance from working on black projects if they know the wife has been compromised – I know of a couple of cases where military personal where removed from their assignments due to spouses being compromised by what was the Soviet KGB in the Cold War.

9, When TPtB discovered that Bob had blabbed to the George Knapp and then the WORLD got to know about the existence of A51 / S4 and alien technology, why didn't they terminate him with extreme prejudice??
John L tells of Bob being shoot at on the highway and Bob seeking refuge at Johns' – from my understanding of the wet teams that exist in the covert world, if they wanted him dead, they would have taken care of him and left no trace of him.

10, When they got him to the USAF Air Force base that John mentions in one or two of his interviews, taking him out of the car with a gun in his ear...  and asking him if he wanted to carry on working on the project.   which Black Ops program director would want someone back on the project after leaking Cosmic SCI secrets to the world??  Does it make any logical sense?? I don't buy this part at all.

11, Can you ask Bob about the mundane parts of the reverse engineering please, for example the alien propulsion system was made of what material, where in the craft was it housed, was it covered with any protective covers, how was it fixed to the craft superstructure? What colour was the interior of the craft. How large was the space to work on the propulsion system, was it removable and could it be removed from the craft and worked or operated in a external jig / assembly?

12, How heavy were the gravity amplifiers, how did they gimble as I understand they could be orientated at different angles to drive the craft when engaged.

13, What system controlled the propulsion system, and how did the team operate and control the propulsion system.

13a, How was the Anti-matter prevented from causing catastrophic explosions when the propulsion systems was in operation?

14, Who was the technical author(s) responsible for creating any documentation or manuscripts about the alien craft? I doubt that the reverse engineering team would attempt to create a version without having huge volumes of technical manuals and data, how did Bob document the findings that he made? And what form did the engineering hand-over take?

15, What Nomenclature was given to the crafts systems and subsystems

That's all I can think of now.

Cheers!

Fans'

Quote from: zorgon on January 03, 2019, 04:36:08 AM
Thin?  when your boss Springer came out and publicly stated they were in on the Skin Walker deal?  LOL

"Deal"? That word has several meanings, could you be more explicit?

And could you point me to where he said it?

Quote from: petrus4 on January 03, 2019, 01:03:25 PM
I am more or less certain that other life exists; I'm just not sure I think it is corporeal or physical in exactly the same way we are.  At this point I'm probably more leaning in the direction of a radio-like, frequency based extradimensional model for aliens, rather than a strictly physical one.  I think an ERP bridge or TARDIS will look more like the real spacecraft of the future, than the space shuttle.

Wasn't that what The Matrix Traveller was trying to show us?

::)

Quote from: ArMaP on January 03, 2019, 09:24:22 PM
And could you point me to where he said it?

Yes already posted that thread  lemme go find it

(PS I do understand that you have difficulty reading between the lines and extrapolating the evidence and finding the leads, but in the conspiracy world that skill is most important

QuoteSpringer

posted on Jul, 8 2018 @ 12:35 AM link   
a reply to: thepixelpusher

Bob sold it to the new owner a couple years ago (or so), you're way behind on the timeline of events here man.

My friend Robbie Williams is an interested party in as much as he was there with us back in March.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1204259/pg42#pid23566161

QuoteJeremyCorbell

posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 08:01 PM link   
Thanks a reply to: The GUT! Well, I would say that witness testimony is the most compelling evidence we have. As you are probably aware, the intelligence at the ranch doesn't play nice... and doesn't like being recorded. Hard to believe, but seems to be quite true. So we are left with whatever The Phenomenon wants us to have, and testimony is the most compelling to me personally (better than footage of a light swimming in inky darkness). The most shaking moment for me was to have direct access to the ranch over a long period of time, and to discover just how in-depth the DIA programs were at the ranch. My film will touch on this... it will hint that all the UFO news is misleading... because it all started with Skinwalker Ranch... and the biggest part of the story is yet to be told. I hope that helps. Thanks for the question.

Quote from: space otter on January 03, 2019, 04:25:54 PM
it seems that a lot of this doubles back to  b l and his tellall after only a few days on the job..imo
after reading the timeline of his life 
here
http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/the-bob-lazar-corner/the-lazar-timeline/

my observation is that he is one of those very smart motivated by his own interests types and willing to be bought
thereby
my conjecture is that the info he shared was controlled
by whom....the gov
>he was recruited and handled the entire time he was 'employed" (?)
>no one came after him when he supposedly spilled the beans about what he supposedly saw
why  ..
smoke and mirrors..either the searchers of truth were getting to close and needed to be moved away from something
or led to something

i don't think what he saw matters so much as why he was used to lead the group towards something



what i really think is going on is a dimension bled that someone high up was notified about long ago and uses  this subject as a false lead
but like i said wtf do i know bwhahahahah




edit..
i forgot to add this as a parting shot..just follow the above link to this guy's added post
it ends with this..very telling imo

No ..look over there said the voice
bwhahahahahahahahah

The reason Bob Survived spilling the beans is his insurance policy.

They didn't dare eliminate him because he was (and still is) in possession of some pieces of Element 115.

QuoteThe reason Bob Survived spilling the beans is his insurance policy.

They didn't dare eliminate him because he was (and still is) in possession of some pieces of Element 115.

how do you know that..?
have you seen them?
what would 115 look like and where would you keep it?

i am not a physicist and have never pretended to know more than i do
so i ask questions

but i also base  a lot on gut reaction to what is presented..and my gut reaction to  a lot of this is it's mostly ALL a misdirection
and we seem to be stuck in the 70's with it

when folks are stirred up defending their pet theories (weather true or not) other things are missed  other questions aren't ask

and that's what i think is happening....
this conversation is old news and has been hanging around most of our lives..and it really hasn't gone anywhere besides what folks think is true and fighting about it..

i call it misdirection and ask
what are we missing. ?  and why isn't anyone looking at other stuff?

Quote from: space otter on January 04, 2019, 02:27:15 AM


how do you know that..?

Very early on Bob revealed that he had managed to get 3 pieces of Element 115 smuggled out to him by an employee of EG&G who didn't realize what it was. After that Bob experimented on those pieces in the lab in his house. George even filmed some of those experiments. People have been bugging George for decades to release that tape. He could never find it. 4 names just recently discovered it at Bob's house and included it in his new movie.

Anyway Bob said that soon after the experiments agents showed up at his house and knew from taps and bugs there that he had been experimenting on pieces of 115 and demanded their return. He gave them 2 pieces and kept the 3rd for himself. All he would say after that about it's location is "it's inside a piece of cement."
Ever since that time whenever he has been asked about the 115 he always says "no comment."


have you seen them?

No. Well on film yes.

what would 115 look like and where would you keep it?

It looks like rock or hard clay.

ok well i guess if you believe bob you're good

i don't..i think he is an opportunist that fell into a story and he can't get out of it now
and you can't convince me that if the so called big tough secret gov wanted something from him they wouldn't just take it...
he's pissin in the wind with that story

but hey..that's what i have been saying.. it's down to who /what you believe to be true  and what have we missed while trying to convince each other

i'm not saying there wasn't something there to see
but
what has happened since then ? ..why don't we know more ?..why haven't we moved on?
..  just circles trying to prove or disprove this guy

ya know we (u.s. gov) did have unmanned drones in '44/'45 and now we (the general public) have little ones to play and torment with
   that's a good 73 years

what have we got to show for bob's big deal besides the arguments?

i think it's time to take the questions and do a field search
we're missing something ..that much i do know

Quote from: space otter on January 04, 2019, 03:01:25 AM

ok well i guess if you believe bob you're good

i don't..i think he is an opportunist that fell into a story and he can't get out of it now
and you can't convince me that if the so called big tough secret gov wanted something from him they wouldn't just take it...
he's pissin in the wind with that story

but hey..that's what i have been saying.. it's down to who /what you believe to be true  and what have we missed while trying to convince each other

i'm not saying there wasn't something there to see
but

Thats my whole point. There was something there to see.

Saucer shaped craft that defied all laws of physics.

That fact fits with what he said.



what has happened since then ? ..why don't we know more ?..why haven't we moved on?
..  just circles trying to prove or disprove this guy

ya know we (u.s. gov) did have unmanned drones in '44/'45 and now we (the general public) have little ones to play and torment with
   that's a good 73 years

Source please on the drones?

what have we got to show for bob's big deal besides the arguments?

i think it's time to take the questions and do a field search
we're missing something ..that much i do know

QuoteSource please on the drones?

ok just a sec gotta find some of what i've been reading.. you know i don't save anything

here ya go

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The Secret History of World War II-Era Drones | WIRED
https://www.wired.com/2015/12/the-secret-history-of-world-war-ii-era-drones/
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The First Drone Strike—in 1944 | Military Aviation | Air & Space ...
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The TDR-1 even had a TV camera mounted in its nose.
Missing: 1945 ‎| ‎Must include: ‎1945


The Drones of the World Wars – War Is Boring – Medium
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Aphrodite and Anvil were the World War II code names of United States Army Air Forces and ... The program effectively ceased on January 27, 1945 when General Spaatz ... In the U.S. Navy's similar project, Operation Anvil, the drone was designated .... "Tail-End Charlies — The Last Battles of the Bomber War 1944–45".


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Jul 25, 2005 - This site tells the story of The Radioplane Target Drone by Reginald Denny ... RP-8 was a significantly improved OQ-3/TDD-2 and was first flown in July 1944. ... The model RP-15, first flown in January 1945 and most likely


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By 1945, indiscriminate drone strikes by America might not have shocked a public ... George Fielding Eliot's 1944 article "Science and Foreign Policy" in the ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFBcTQRyRVg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT-cAPjiV-A

opps forgot this..goes with the above you tubie
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Quote from: space otter on January 04, 2019, 03:01:25 AM


i don't..i think he is an opportunist that fell into a story and he can't get out of it now

That's ok, Bob himself says if it were him he doubts if he would believe it.

But can you elaborate on what opportunity or benefit he sought to exploit from this?

QuoteBut can you elaborate on what opportunity or benefit he sought to exploit from this?

what i said was i believe he (bob) is an opportunist ...
and i got that opinion from readin this guys time line and his update
on him..as well as the gene guy's story about how they met and became friends

inserting here cause i have to again go find the dang things..i did post the links in the other thread but who reads?
http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/the-bob-lazar-corner/gene-huff-reviews-the-lazar-corner/
and
http://www.dreamlandresort.com/area51/lazar/synopsis.htm





gut feeling is this guy (Mahood) had nothing to gain from following up and doing research and i do believe what he has written as his opinion ..i just so happen to agree with his concussion

http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/the-bob-lazar-corner/the-lazar-timeline/
and

Quoteby Tom Mahood

(Note from 2018: There is a lot of traffic direct to this page via hotlinking or search engines. Be aware this is pretty old stuff. If you have an interest in this topic, I'd suggest you also have a look at my perspective on Lazar's story from the viewpoint of 2018. TL;DR: It's mostly bullshit, the important parts, anyway)

http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/looking-at-the-bob-lazar-story-from-the-perspective-of-2018/


i've been reading this guys stuff and i think he did his due diligence on bob
untill this subject came up a bit ago i never looked into it because it just didn't interest me .. reading up on what he did with researching the time line really doesn't make bob sound like much of a stand up guy 
my gut feeling is  opportunist out for what he can get....and not someone i want to know..i already know a bunch of those types

and here we are  still standing in the quicksand of his story instead of moving on to what the hell is and has happened

not contributing any more i'm way past having my say and no progress is being made

you guys fight it out

Ok I did find the drones, must have showed up while I was posting.

Interesting stuff, but appears to be conventional combustion engine technology.

Speaking of what has happened since, why the owner of 5000 mph and 90 degree technology not showed their hand since 1947?

No word ever since on whose it was.

Quote from: fansongecho on January 03, 2019, 05:13:56 PM
Not sure if the below goes here or on another Bob L thread??

Alot of your questions have been covered in other older threads, Fans', but I will attempt to answer your questions later today;
John Lear does still post on FB and can be contacted there, if you can get him to respond...

as far as I know, no one here is in contact with Bob Lazar...

8)

Seeker

Well the benefits seem to be materializing right now with the new 4 names 'documentary'


But I just got this from ATS Mirageman


mirageman
posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 08:06 AM link   
a reply to: thepixelpusher

... I wouldn't be surprised if the US Govt. military hasn't bought that Ranch....Springer and Jeremy you had some brass ones for going there!!

After all the stories since the mid-90s I would be surprised if a US military branch had bought the ranch and invited the owner of ATS and Robbie Williams and Jeremy along to sit around the camp fire and make movies.That's the last thing the military would do. The opening post tells you what this all about

....the way movies work is you have to build up some suspense and thereby get some interest in the picture built up too while you're at it (hopefully). It's called marketing and yes, it's all a big tease because it has to be,

Link : www.abovetopsecret.com...  (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1204259/pg1#pid23313488)


And the official trademark registration of Skinwalker Ranch tells you this too.

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/sg598a6474.jpg)

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/et5aca7264.GIF)

Providing recreation facilities; Arranging and conducting special events for social entertainment purposes; Entertainment services, namely, storytelling; Publishing of printed matter; Publishing of electronic publications; Entertainment services, namely, creation, development, production, and distribution of multimedia content, internet content, motion pictures, and television shows

Link : trademarks.justia.com... (https://trademarks.justia.com/873/36/skinwalker-87336178.html)

Let's leave Robbie Williams to tell you what this all about again.

NOTE: Video not available in US so we can't watch it


The upcoming movie will entertain you.


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1204259/pg44#pid23577632

mirageman
posted on Jul, 12 2018 @ 01:48 PM link   

originally posted by: thepixelpusher
a reply to: mirageman

I don't think Skinwalker Ranch will turn into a theme park of fun or entertainment. Maybe the filing has the misdirection of entertainment to make people misunderstand the research going on there. There is an ATS member posting on this thread that is under NDA to speak freely about Skinwalker. Ask yourself why. My personal opinion is that Skinwalker is under an important strategic research program.


You mean this movie is all a set up and Adamantium (the company that the owner has set up to adminster Skinwalker Ranch and its associated trademarks) is some sort of front like Studio Six Productions was?

Adamantium interestingly enough is a fictional metal alloy by the way.

If your suppositions are correct then that means you are implicating Springer, Robbie Williams, George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell are being used for some kind of cover-up for the MIC.

Interesting supposition my friend. Care to elaborate on this idea before someone knocks on your door?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1204259/pg45#pid23578732

Much as i hate to promote ATS :P  I am suggesting everyone here interested in this topic reads THIS THREAD from page 42

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1204259/pg42

Lots of interesting material in it  and i don't have time to copy it all :P

Tidbits like THIS  Springer talking about Secure Team 10's involvement;

Springer

posted on Jul, 14 2018 @ 11:32 PM link   
a reply to: thepixelpusher

Hell no we won't delete it!

ATS is promoted in that movie (via my presence and a direct plug for the site in it), it's about time we got a little love back from them! God knows ATS helped build their YT channel right up until we realized they were hoaxing crap for views.
@@

The more I dig into this, the more the whole thing seems a huge setup to make money...

And the main premise seems to be there are no UFO Aliens but a portal type situation to another dimension  A Quantum world

And oddly enough Disney movies is doing Ant Man and the Quantum Universe...

Just a NOTE re Pot Stirring

IF the Bob Lazar story cannot withstand being in the pot, then there is nothing there

IF we don't stir the pot from time to time the forum goes stagnate.

This has already happened of late and the Bob Lazar story is all over the internet like a virus right now with both sides pro and con duking it out.

WHY NOW?  That is a good question  :P

So have at it  but keep it civil :P

Okay so here we go... the WTF? Moment.


mirageman
posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 05:40 AM link   

a reply to: Jay-morris
Ok, thank you for clarifying that you do not have a clue why this channel is in the hoax bin, and cannot come up with a single piece of evidence that he hoaxes videos.


I posted you the link in my reply as to why that Youtube channel [Secure team 10] is placed in the hoax bin here on ATS. Did you not understand any of that?

It contains a further link explaining a number of other channels who also pass on these hoaxes.

ufotheater.com...  (http://ufotheater.com/ufo-channel-reviews/ufo-black-list/)

Time and time again we hear about people bring ridiculed, even hounded out of their jobs for holding alternative views.

Of all the scientists in the world who hold alternative views, which ones have been ridiculed and hounded out of their jobs? I'm sure you can find a list as long as your arm with the names of these scientists? You can, can't you?

Yet Hal Puthoff seems to have done alright for himself whilst holding some very weird views. He's a former $cientologist who actually managed to walk away from the organisation with no problems at all. That should raise questions.

He has spent long periods studying the paranormal with huge grants from the US government. He even made the ground breaking discovery that chicken eggs do not have feelings..

This guy is now a contractor for To the Stars Academy. So despite not delivering anything but paperwork since the 1970s his crackpot views do not seem to have hounded him out of his work. In fact he's done rather well from it wouldn't you say? His pal Eric Davis holds some mighty strange beliefs too and he seems to be making a nice living working for EarthTech too.

....Quantum Physics can open doors to many different theories, stranger than the one before, and that is a good thing. But these subjects, example Skywalker range are just ridiculed.

Skywalker Range? Isn't that where George Lucas lives? Now that's Skywalker Ranch. Where is Skywalker Range? Who ridiculed?

James Randi awarded Bigelow a Pigasus Award for funding purchase of the property for what he termed a "useless study" of "a 'haunted ranch' in Utah". People like James Randy is like a cult/god like figure to these armchair debunkers.

That award by James Randi was useless in my opinion. I applaud Mr. Bigelow for funding his own studies. But at the end of the day what exactly did all these studies prove? There are plenty of documents here. But what do we have beyond anecdotal evidence? Not a lot.

... Words like "critical thinking" it is just another belief system getting in the way of proper, real investigations into these phenomenas.

So forget critical thinking then, if you don't believe in it. Even though it's pretty much what all of our science has been based upon.

How would you define what a 'real' investigation would be of these phenomenas (sic)?

_______________________________________________________________________________

ColdWisdom
posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 07:22 AM link   
a reply to: mirageman

I teeter back and forth on good ole Hal.

Puthoff, Price, Swann, & Taarg all seem to have gotten a 'pass' when it came to Hubbard's official bylaws strictly forbidding any member of that org that shall not be named from being employed by US intel agencies.

That is the implication of course, or could it be that some or all of them were double agents working on behalf of Uncle Sam? It could explain why some of them were able to walk away without being labeled a suppressive person.

One thing is for sure, something about Puthoff doesn't add up.

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pigsy2400

posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 07:59 AM link   
a reply to: ColdWisdom

I got to agree with you there. The fact that Hal was able to walkaway from Scientology does raise some serious questions, even only a small knowledge of Scientology, people know that you just dont do that. For someone to walk away with no come back at all, is very very odd and not common place at all. There are a few members on ATS who have climbed the ranks of Scientology and have documented their lives after leaving; not pleasant at all!

Good Ol' Hal reached one of the highest levels too, which makes it even more interesting and well.. worrying.

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mirageman

posted on Jul, 16 2018 @ 08:25 AM link   
a reply to: pigsy2400

Yes he's now on the board of "To the Stars Academy".

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ol5b4c9cb3.jpg)

It does make at least some people wonder.


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1204259/pg47

@Seeker, thanks bud.

@Z, The Bob L story is so polarising, and the deeper we seem to dig the more inconsitancies appear with his personal and professional history - I will do as Seeker suggested and keep digging.

I agree that it is good to stir the pot Z, for some of us newbies to Pegasus it helps us with our research  :) although there may well be some contentious content posted, as long as we try to keep it civil and not personal I am hopeful we can all work cooperatively towards discovering the truth.

Talking of truth I have a couple of videos I want to post - 1 on this thread, RE The RAF at Nellis and Red Flag, and Project Camelot interview which I think may need a new thread.  :o

Cheers ! keep it coming I am fascinated by all of this.  :)

Fansongecho


EDIT** Re Red Flag, this is a YT video of two ex-raf Pilots talking about there experience when working out with the USAF at Nellis, I need to trawl through to find the moment when they very briefly mention A51 - its 47 mins long but really worth a listen if you have any interest in Low Flying Combat stories  :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXxpmoZDFPU&t=1461s

From 12mins 30 secs .. worth a listen/watch 

srb2001
posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 01:13 PM link   

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: mirageman

I don't see how you resolve:

- Woo physics
- Paranormal dogs etc
- Mind control / telepathy
- Who also need atomic layered meta materials to fly
- Who emerge out of portals
- Who can absorb most visible wavelengths of light, but struggle as the frequency gets higher
- Who emit terahertz radiation

Everyone is talking like these phenomena can operate within seconds right in front of you and not being seen. That can control minds, that apparently can set up experiments by knowing the answer in advance.

Except this is a force that is either numerically small, grossly incompetent or just jokers.

They keep crashing their ships, can mutilate cows but are incapable of doing proper science (how many COWS do they need?) or disposing of the bodies. They have stealth but can't defeat FLIR. They can cloak, but still pick up on some radars.

Seems like whatever it is wants to be seen., just not too fast.

Sadly Jeremy Corbell never returned to answer questions. A missed opportunity, I think.

Good summation of the elusiveness of the phenomenon.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1204259/pg48

Quote from: fansongecho on January 04, 2019, 11:01:08 AM
@Z, The Bob L story is so polarising, and the deeper we seem to dig the more inconsitancies appear with his personal and professional history - I will do as Seeker suggested and keep digging.

need bob's phone number?

::)

That would be great if possible Z  ;D

I know you guys are more comfortable with nuts and bolts than the woo-woo stuff...but the times they are a changin
and we have to look past our comfort zones


along with the area 51 stuff
this skin walker ranch stuff keeps being regurgitated ..there again not something that drew me before and there again  i feel it's another front of some type

but

my take on the entire ufo stuff is that  it is a dimensional bleed and the gov or someone calling themselves 'boss' has known full well and used the ufo scenario to keep us occupied in petty quibbles...

skin walker ranch may well be some sort of nexas point (I have to look up the cords, but any area in the southwest that used to be underwater has a different  vibe and may well contain a portal/gate/entery of some type)
the water connection , i think, is a big key both ancient and current

edit  for clarity i meant the ranch with this remark)or it just may have been a place for the 'boys(?)" to play with holograms and/or mutations

and to make it seem like less than it is..hide it in plain site as entertainment..
or say it was entertainment the entire time

you know as well as i do that there are energies (for lack of a more efficient term) that are on this rock and we share space with them...
my question is... are we getting close to public greeting of these energies? and this old stuff is yet a renew of the old smoke screen that has worked for so long..

why now?..
I feel we are close to something...(the old thinning of the veil stuff)

look at the world we are currently in with many "leaders" heading towards dictatorships..the populace  finally realizing their own part in it and going..HUH!  YIKES! and the movement of thousands of humans wanting out of where they are to someplace else....what is going on and is this only a small part of that?

the times they are a changin....folks are being blasted out of their old comfort zones...on all levels
just what is the big picture here?

stir that pot.. high heat can be cleansing

Quote from: zorgon on January 04, 2019, 01:44:38 AM
(PS I do understand that you have difficulty reading between the lines and extrapolating the evidence and finding the leads, but in the conspiracy world that skill is most important

Yes, I have the tendency not to think that my imagination is the truth.  :P

What do

Area 51

Bob Lazar

Skinwalker Ranch

Coast-2-Coast AM

"Good evening everyone, you are in the right place at the right time, this is Coast-2-Coast AM - Blasting out of the Mojave Desert, like a Sirocco, blazing across the land, slamming into your radio like a supercharged nano-particle of un-obtainunuim, Greetings! from the boldest, bawdest, most outrageous city in the world - Planetary Capital of Sun, Fun, Sin, Sex and secrets, my not so humble home town of Las Vegas, Nevada, my name is George Knapp, your occasional host, designated driver of the airwaves, and moderator of tonight's up coming cacophonous cavalcade of conversation, that's what I am expecting anyway ..

{if the above isnt NLP?? what is??}

Have in common??  8) :o

I could be on a very wrong track with this..  but my gut tells me, I am not.

Cheers,

Fans'

Anyone out there can run off a copy of this?

https://www.sho.com/penn-and-teller-bullshit/season/8/episode/6/area-51#/closed

This post will self destruct in 5... 4.... 3....

Couldn't sleep very well last night so went You Tube surfing, and came across this video.  :)

It is two Navajo Rangers retelling some of the incidents that occurred to them when they were Rangers in Arizona, if you have a spare 60 mins it may be worth a watch - there is a little bit about Skin Walker incidents that occurred as well.   :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8ReuNvoDBM

Have a great weekend!  8)

Fansongecho 

BUMP and BUMP again...
Zorgon had a way with words (and facts)...
Miss him terribly....So here are the mixing pot observations from His Majesty...Sir ZORGON.....
(Keep it going)

Rock  8)

Quote from: zorgon on January 03, 2019, 12:04:24 AM
With all the recent bruhaha over the TTSA and Skin Walkr ranch stuff coming out... there is a thought that comes to mind...


Let's for the sake of discussion assume that the Alien thing is real and that the Cabal (the secret government behind the government) has managed to keep it secret all these years...

So  what do we have?

1) Thousands of official released UFO files from various government agencies around the world since 2000ish all freely available online

2) Not ONE flesh and blood alien or nuts and bolts flying saucer in ANY of those reports, just "UFO's" and "UAP's"

3) British MoD, Blue Book and now the pentagon UFO watch programs closed because they were too expensive and produced no results, found no threats

4) Skin Walker ranch story and connection to Robert Bigelow.  Now for decades we have all wanted to know what went on there... and finally we are seeing a 'release' of that information...  well are we?

5) Harry Reid, that POS ex Senator that caused John to lose his mining claim because he was involved in that attempted land grab that involved the Bundy Ranch incidence... (and lost 5 million when the Chinese pulled out of that deal he had) is now suddenly "Mr UFO expert" and gets 26 million or so to share with Bigelow to pursue UFO's. Harry says he doesn't want to talk about Roswell saucers or "little green men"... that what we have is Demons...

6) So we find a long list of names involved in this TTSA new program, Robert Bigelow (NIDS), Tom DeLonge, Harry Reid, Hal Puthoff (OWL in the old AVIARY UFO group), George Knapp, and now Bob Lazar, Springer (Mark Allin) from ATS and Robbie Williams.

7) George tried to sell the Skin Walker story to Netflix. They turned it down several times. So he ends up getting mixed up with 4 Names (I refuse to give that schmuck ANY press time :P ) and look at the result... pure bullshit and no real info...

8) Gene Huff is pissed at 4 Names... yet it was him that introduced Bob to him.  John Lear is pushed to the sidelines, despite all the material 4 Names got from him, there is no contract so John gets nothing. John has stated recently that "it doesn't matter who gets the credit, so long as the info get's out"  To me that doesn't sound like the john I know. I know he is in poor health but this sounds more like he was told to back off.  This is just my gut feeling..I will ask him when I see him this week

9) Then we get a new 'whistle blower" Luis Elizondo who we find out is already working for TTSA  Well there goes an unbiased information out the window...  I wonder how much his paycheck is?

There is more I am sure and I will add it if I think of it... Anyone else is free to add more points...

But here is the thought...

IF the Alien stuff IS real (as most here believe) I cannot thing of a better way for the cover up to get renewed than turning the whole thing into the media circus it has now become...

There is a lot of big money players involved... so you can bet your last dollar they all expect to reap BIG rewards on this... If they were in it to get the facts out, we would already have the answers instead of these stupid "documentaries' that provide nothing and just rehash the same old same old and add a ton of fresh manure to the pile.

So you may all be drooling over thsi new 'release'  I for one will just buy more popcorn and watch this circus unfold...  But really, it's all so old that it's not even entertaining anymore...

My 2 cents worth...

Back to the rocks... at least THOSE are real  :P

Quote6) So we find a long list of names involved in this TTSA new program, Robert Bigelow (NIDS), Tom DeLonge, Harry Reid, Hal Puthoff (OWL in the old AVIARY UFO group), George Knapp, and now Bob Lazar, Springer (Mark Allin) from ATS and Robbie Williams.

Greetings Earthlings and Assorted "Visitors":

How's this for a "brilliant" - and [perhaps] far-reaching segue?



Perhaps the rabbit hole goes deep on another angle of this event.

More to follow in a new STORM AREA 51; How Many Actually Attended? thread.