ok just more proof that this world is really screwed up.
.the flat earthers are gaining yikeshttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-46778879
QuoteIndia scientists dismiss Einstein theories
6 hours ago
An Indian scientist said that Albert Einstein (pictured) was wrong and that gravitational waves should be renamed "Narendra Modi Waves"
Scientists in India have hit out at speakers at a major conference for making irrational claims, including that ancient Hindus invented stem cell research.
Some academics at the annual Indian Science Congress dismissed the findings of Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein.
Hindu mythology and religion-based theories have increasingly become part of the Indian Science Congress agenda.
But experts said remarks at this year's summit were especially ludicrous.
The 106th Indian Science Congress, which was inaugurated by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, runs from 3-7 January.
The head of a southern Indian university cited an old Hindu text as proof that stem cell research was discovered in India thousands of years ago.
G Nageshwar Rao, vice chancellor of Andhra University, also said a demon king from the Hindu religious epic, Ramayana, had 24 types of aircraft and a network of landing strips in modern day Sri Lanka.
Another scientist from a university in the southern state of Tamil Nadu told conference attendees that Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein were both wrong and that gravitational waves should be renamed "Narendra Modi Waves".
Dr KJ Krishnan reportedly said Newton failed to "understand gravitational repulsive forces" and Einstein's theories were "misleading".
links to these at article
Cows to planes: Indian ministers who rewrote scientific history
Narendra Modi: Is hardline Hindu politics failing India's PM?
What you may not know about Einstein
Critics said that while ancient texts should be read and enjoyed - it was nonsense to suggest they represented science.
The Indian Scientific Congress Association expressed "serious concern" at the remarks.
"We don't subscribe to their views and distance ourselves from their comments. This is unfortunate," Premendu P Mathur, general secretary of Indian Scientific Congress Association, told the AFP news agency.
"There is a serious concern about such kind of utterances by responsible people."
Pseudoscience moves from fringe to the mainstream
Analysis by Soutik Biswas, BBC News, Delhi
India has a mixed relationship with science.
On the one hand, it has a rich tradition of outstanding scientists - the Higgs boson particle, for example, is named partly after an Indian physicist and Einstein's contemporary, Satyendra Nath Bose. Particle physicist Ashoke Sen, meanwhile, is the recipient of Fundamental Physics Prize, the world's most lucrative academic award.
But it also has a long tradition of replacing science with myths, leading to a fringe culture of pseudoscience.
Many believe under Narendra Modi's Hindu nationalist BJP party, pseudoscience has moved from the fringe to the mainstream.
Mr Modi himself set the tone in 2014 with his outlandish claim that cosmetic surgery was practised in India thousands of years ago.
Many of his ministers followed suit with similar claims. India's top science summit also started inviting academics with Hindu nationalist leanings who have made equally bizarre claims.
Such claims usually hark back to an imagined glorious Hindu past to bolster religious nationalism. The BJP and its hard line allies have for a long time mixed mythology and religion to bolster political Hinduism and nationalism. Adding science to the mix, say critics, will only help propagate quack science and erode scientific temper.
Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."
Other claims made by Indian politicians and scientists:
>India's junior education minister Satyapal Singh in 2017 said that airplanes were first mentioned in the ancient Hindu epic, Ramayana. He added that the first working plane was invented by an Indian named Shivakar Babuji Talpade eight years before the Wright brothers
>Also in 2017, the education minister for the western state of Rajasthan said it was important to "understand the scientific significance" of the cow, claiming it was the only animal in the world to both inhale and exhale oxygen
>In 2014, Prime Minister Narendra Modi told medical staff at a Mumbai hospital that the story of the Hindu god Ganesha - whose elephant head is attached to a human body - showed cosmetic surgery existed in ancient India
>Geologist Ashu Khosla said that Hindu god Brahma discovered dinosaurs and documented them in ancient Indian scriptures while presenting a research paper at the Indian Science Congress on Sunday
>Lawmaker Ramesh Pokhriyal Nishank prompted outrage in 2014 when he said that "science is a dwarf in front of astrology". He added that astrology was "the biggest science" and that India conducted nuclear tests more than 100,000 years ago
looks that way to me but with dropa influence in later years.
i saw a discussion on sumer/tamil and it made alot of sense.tamil was the beach traders.sumer were the land dwellers.
the indians and chinese suffered the least losses from the great flood.thus had the most tech and knowledge to carry over.
the oldest tech is the caduceus.so im not 100percent indians had it first.just first historically.
i see nothing older except maybe great pyramid and its way high tech also.
Quote from: space otter on January 07, 2019, 06:06:55 PM
ok just more proof that this world is really screwed up.
.the flat earthers are gaining yikes
Well lets see....
Challenging Einstein
Time Lord.... Louis Essen D.Sc., F.R.S. http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/02files/Time_Lord_Louis_Essen.html
What if Einstein Was Wrong?
Gravitational Forces of the Sun
Dr Pari Spolter PhD Physics
http://parispolter.com
Challenging Newton
Problems with the Gravitational Constant
Dr Pari Spolter PhD Physicshttp://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/08PDF_Files/Problems_with_the_Gravitational_Constant.pdf
Ancient City Found In India
Irradiated By Nuclear Blast
8,000 Years Ago... https://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/India_Ancient_City_Rajasthan_near_Jodhpurt.html
"Brighter than a Thousand Suns"Gurkha, flying a swift and powerful vimana hurled a single projectile
Charged with all the power of the Universe.
An incandescent column of smoke and flame
As bright as the thousand suns Rose in all its splendour...
a perpendicular explosion
with its billowing smoke clouds...
...the cloud of smoke
rising after its first explosion
formed into expanding round circles
like the opening of giant parasols...
..it was an unknown weapon,
An iron thunderbolt,
A gigantic messenger of death,
Which reduced to ashes
The entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.
...The corpses were so burned
As to be unrecognizable.
The hair and nails fell out;
Pottery broke without apparent cause,
And the birds turned white.
After a few hours
All foodstuffs were infected...
...to escape from this fire
The soldiers threw themselves in streams
To wash themselves and their equipment.
Ancient verses from the Mahabharata: (6500 B.C.?)
This was where the title of the book about the Atomic Scientists came from...
(https://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/India/Book01.png)
Sometimes....
I wonder if ANYONE even reads our website :P
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Quote from: zorgon on January 08, 2019, 06:18:29 AM
Sometimes....
I wonder if ANYONE even reads our website :P
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Or the threads on the forum ::) This has been discussed several times before, including the discovery of the city-sized areas of radioactive green glass in India and the Gobi Desert...
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ive come to accept the fact that yes zorgon,we are that unique.there are very few as educated as us on these issues.
theres the specialist but not many like us that pull in all the arts.compile and filter.
cters hsve carried the sword of history better than the professionals for many years now.at least they dig for us.its the digging that hones the truth.
the green glass sinched it for me on the vimana stories.
Old Indian history has always fascinated me, especially the drawings of the Vimana and the radioactive glass in India. Thins that make you go hmmmmm.
the old history is fascinating and the idea that it is now splitting a country's politics is even more so
well as long as theres an agenda, there will be agenda driven issues.
at least we got most of the info before flat earth became a thing.
Is the Earth FLAT or is it a SPHERE?
Okay I have a project for all you brainiacs out there
THIS TOOL is called a LEVEL
(https://cloudfront.zoro.com/product/full/Z2wO5ypcpEx_.JPG)
Your task is to explain HOW can a LEVEL TOOL work on a round sphere?
PS I KNOW the answer :P
WOW Not ONE of you can answer this?
Sad
VERY Sad
Because the curvature of the earth is so great and the area being measured with a level is so small.
Just playing catch-up - http://earthcurvature.com/
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Visual Line of Sight Calculations dependent on Earth's Curvature
by David Senesac
How does one calculate a visual line of sight for objects at a given height that are distant enough that the Earth's curvature needs to be considered? Why might a photographer find such information useful? Some examples of what one might want to know:
Whether or not a distant mountain can be seen from the top of another mountain. By how many degrees the rising full moon will be blocked by a distant mountain range in order to estimate whether it might be bathed in warm sunset light. Whether an alpine lake will catch sunset alpenglow or be blocked by a nearby ridge to the west.
The Earth has a radius of approximately 3965 miles. Using the Pythagorean theorem, that calculates to an average curvature of 7.98 inches per mile or approximately 8 inches per mile (squared).
The distance to the horizon in miles from height of an observer is approximately equal to 1.23 times the square root of the height in feet. For example 1.23 times the square root of 8 divided by 12 equals 1 mile.
Inversely given the horizon distance in miles, the height in feet required to be visible equals the distance in miles squared divided by 1.513. The second example above concerning the Moon rising over a distant range also requires some topographic map calculations using the tan trigonometric function. Thus if a peak rises up 1844 feet at a distance of 10.0 miles or 52,800 feet, it will form an angle of 2 degrees with a theoretical flat horizon. The tan is 1844/52800=0.0349 or 2 degrees. However due to the Earth's curvature, it would appear as though it was only 1778 feet tall with the lowest 66 feet below the horizon.
Disregarding refraction, on a perfectly flat plain like the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah, if one's eyes are 9 inches above the ground, one would be able to see at night a flashlight one mile distant laying on the surface but not if one lowers their eyes to 7 inches. For example per the above diagram, that might be between the tangent point and Object B.
If a 64 inch tall person's eyes are at a height of 60 inches or 5 feet, they might be able to see at night, a flashlight laying on the ground at 1.23 the root of 5 = 2.75 miles. They would also be able to see another like standing person's headlamp twice that distance or at 5.5 miles distance, since each person would be able to see the midway tangent point. For example per the above diagram, that might be between the Object A and Object B.
Likewise one of those person's would be able to see the last inch of a 9 inch tall object 2.75+1.0=3.75 miles distant. Lake Tahoe is 12 miles wide and 22 miles long. For a person's eyes at a height of 5 feet above the water on the south shore, a streetlight at night on the north shore needs to be up on a nearby hill at least 370 feet above the shore, else it is below the horizon.
Mount Shasta rises 14,262 feet about 50 miles north of the end of the Sacramento Valley. According to the below chart, one ought to be able to see the mountain from about 147 miles away. Elevations south in the valley at that distance are a relatively insignificant 200 feet in elevation. By checking a map, one will see that Shasta ought to be visible on clearest days once one has gone just a few miles north of the town of Colusa along the Sacramento River.
Near Colusa are the Sutter Buttes that rise to as high as 2117 feet. Thus the Buttes might be seen from the top of Mount Shasta. A bit less than 100 miles south rising above San Francisco Bay to the east, Mount Diablo rises to 3849 feet. From the chart, one can see that volcanic peak is about 2800 feet too short to see Shasta.
In the real world there are however atmospheric effects of mainly ray refraction that tend to cause objects beyond the theoretical horizon to sometimes be visible.
Thus the visible setting sun is usually a little below the theoretical horizon. In like manner, the effect is to increase the apparent height of distant peaks. Some approximate heights and distance in the below table:. ...David Senesac
Distance Height
Miles Feet
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1.0 0.67
1.23 1.0
3.0 5.95
3.9 10
6.0 23.8
10 66
12.3 100
20 264
30 595
39 1000
40 1060
50 1650
60 2380
70 3240
87 5000
100 6610
110 8000
120 9520
123 10000
129 11000
135 12000
140 13000
146 14000
148 14496
David Senesac Photography
email: info@davidsenesac.com
SNIP"
http://www.davidsenesac.com/Information/line_of_sight.html
Cheers,
Fans'
Quote from: zorgon on January 12, 2019, 02:24:28 AM
WOW Not ONE of you can answer this?
Or not one of us is interested in your question. :P
PS: the shape of the Earth is irrelevant for a level to work.
:) I'll give a guess..... " HOW can a LEVEL TOOL work on a round sphere?" A tool like this seems to work relative to gravity and position. Since liquid under the influence of gravity runs down hill displacing the bubble to the opposing side. Only when the tool is positioned in a way that the gravity's affect is exhibited equally on the fluid within does the bubble stay in the middle. This takes place regardless of the surroundings, except for 0-G.
Of course its just a guess! ;D
WhatTheHey
Quote from: ArMaP on January 12, 2019, 09:25:21 PM
PS: the shape of the Earth is irrelevant for a level to work.
Everything is irrelevant to you :P
The answer is... THERE IS NO LEVEL... it is merely a term relative to the exact point you are measuring at.. What is 'level' at one end of a city is not the same as it is at the other side of that city, even if that difference be minuscule.
It is fortunate for us that the Earth is large enough that we don't see the lean of buildings from one side of a city to the other...
There is no UP either there is only away and towards the center of gravity.
And yes it DOES matter if the Earth is flat or round, because if the Earth was flat... then LEVEL and UP would exist rather than be a mere concept
Quote from: zorgon on January 13, 2019, 04:05:45 AM
Everything is irrelevant to you :P
No, only irrelevant things are irrelevant.
QuoteThe answer is... THERE IS NO LEVEL... it is merely a term relative to the exact point you are measuring at.. What is 'level' at one end of a city is not the same as it is at the other side of that city, even if that difference be minuscule.
In your answer, by saying it is only relative to the exact point you are measuring, you are saying that the shape of the Earth is irrelevant too. :)
QuoteAnd yes it DOES matter if the Earth is flat or round, because if the Earth was flat... then LEVEL and UP would exist rather than be a mere concept
If the Earth was flat and gravity worked as we see it on a round(ish) Earth then a level would work in the same way as it does.
:) Well wait just a second there Zorg, you said and I quote "Your task is to explain HOW can a LEVEL TOOL work on a round sphere? This is asking how the tool works not how the definition of level applies. After all level is a term applied to a perspective that is being observed. This is what the tool does, it gives us in essence, a balance point. This does not change just because the positioning is slightly different some distance away. The tool still does the same thing even at the other end of the city. lol
;D WhatTheHey
Quote from: WhatTheHey on January 13, 2019, 04:29:20 PM
After all level is a term applied to a perspective that is being observed. This is what the tool does, it gives us in essence, a balance point. This does not change just because the positioning is slightly different some distance away. The tool still does the same thing even at the other end of the city. lol
True it is all a matter of PERSPECTIVE and relative to the point you are at... so on a round earth ALL these buildings would be "LEVEL" and all these buildings are pointing "UP"
(https://st.depositphotos.com/1704485/3212/v/950/depositphotos_32124605-stock-illustration-buildings-earth.jpg)
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