Hi folks,
ArMap's request last night to put my thoughts/beliefs in writting and not via You Tube videos got me to thinking.
A lot of the subjects and topics we raise on here are left field, and we can not replicate or produce evidence that is 100% irrefutable but for us as individuals "we" may well believe the source of the facts/story, and it may well satisfy ourselves and our questions, but it will not answer or stand up to the questions of folks on here who don't buy into the theory -
So is there a general data point or common sense point that the majority of members accepts or semi-accept as being the truth or close to the truth, that allows a post to stand as a fact ?
Does the forum members have a threshold of truth that we accept on any given topic?? is there an agreed format that we align upon ? what constitutes the agreed truth ??
I know that we are all truth seekers and have a mission to uncover the lies that are out there in lamestream and alt media, so what is the accepted threshold of truth on any given subject on any given day ?
Personally, I like nuts and bolts answers, points of reference from at least 3 disparate points or sources, my own intuition, and history if there is any on the topic, I am a visual learner, so videos are powerful sources for me, and I know others may well not be,
What do you folks think ?? ???
Cheers!
Fansongecho :)
Fans - A good way to find out what the consensus is on any given topic is to use the ''create Poll" option when making a thread.
Members can then vote anonymously on the subject at hand. That brings in even those who do not want their opinions known by others.
Try to create an option for every possible answer.
Quote from: fansongecho on January 09, 2019, 11:28:58 PM
Hi folks,
ArMap's request last night to put my thoughts/beliefs in writting and not via You Tube videos got me to thinking.
A lot of the subjects and topics we raise on here are left field, and we can not replicate or produce evidence that is 100% irrefutable but for us as individuals "we" may well believe the source of the facts/story, and it may well satisfy ourselves and our questions, but it will not answer or stand up to the questions of folks on here who don't buy into the theory -
So is there a general data point or common sense point that the majority of members accepts or semi-accept as being the truth or close to the truth, that allows a post to stand as a fact ?
Does the forum members have a threshold of truth that we accept on any given topic?? is there an agreed format that we align upon ? what constitutes the agreed truth ??
I know that we are all truth seekers and have a mission to uncover the lies that are out there in lamestream and alt media, so what is the accepted threshold of truth on any given subject on any given day ?
Personally, I like nuts and bolts answers, points of reference from at least 3 disparate points or sources, my own intuition, and history if there is any on the topic, I am a visual learner, so videos are powerful sources for me, and I know others may well not be,
What do you folks think ?? ???
Cheers!
Fansongecho :)
For some of us an experience might have vindicated some stories that otherwise might have only been mentally filed away as plausible. Eventually over time more data either backs your mental plausible file or it reveals it as belonging to a more stinky pile (file? :P ).
For myself, I know flying discs exist as FACT. That is all I know for sure. The rest is sitting in the 2 mental piles. Even though I know flying disc craft exist I could not prove it to anyone. It is just something that needs to believed by YOU not everyone else. Nothing in life changes knowing this except people think I'm out on a twig more often. Even if the president came out and said "Yup, theres UFOs" I think a lot of us would STILL be looking for more so it is not simply about disclosure. We want to know the 5 whys of all of it and that will take many lifetimes.
Fans, the majority of the subjects and topics we are involved with here on Pegasus and forums in general are non-mainstream and yes, can and are classed as being way out in left field by the majority of the general population 8)
as far as a set standard or guide line to ascertain truth or degree of factual content, for the most part, it is up to each individual to assess then decide whether or not the subject matter is believeable to them, regardless of what others choose...
To Ellerium, the existence of disc shaped craft is real, as it is to me, along with the existence of at least one very large isosceles triangle shaped craft, simply because I have seen them with my own eyes...
Do I have empirical proof of their existence that will convince others that they do indeed exist? Only by my testimony, therefore in most things truth is a subjective thing which varies from person to person unless statements can be vetted by others or cold, hard, touch it and feel it artifacts are available to be examined...
Seeker
Most people, including me, will absolutely believe when a saucer shaped craft lands in my front yard and the little green men step out and say 'take me to your leader'. Now do I discount others experiences? No, it is what it is. I believe, they believe. But a Z has stated, not one clear photo nor piece of material evidence has ever been produced. So what is it?
"What constitutes fact, or proof about left field, non mainstream topics??"
The same thing that constitutes fact, or proof about mainstream topics, it's not the topic itself that makes me see facts or proof in a different way.
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on January 10, 2019, 06:53:30 PM
Most people, including me, will absolutely believe when a saucer shaped craft lands in my front yard and the little green men step out and say 'take me to your leader'.
I know a few people in Hollywood that could arrange that visit :P Was dome already in the 50's :P
(https://www.aspenchamber.org/sites/default/files/images/the-day-the-earth-stood-still-image_0.jpg)
Quote from: zorgon on January 11, 2019, 11:41:32 AM
I know a few people in Hollywood that could arrange that visit :P Was dome already in the 50's :P
(https://www.aspenchamber.org/sites/default/files/images/the-day-the-earth-stood-still-image_0.jpg)
Yeah I remember that. ;D
But it's still Hollywood and more entertaining than the current 'real' close encounters. ::)
P.s. Which will never happen..
The only way to get PROOF is to be able to physically touch and examine and alien body (dead or alive) and look inside a nuts and bolts flying saucer (even if they don't actually use nuts and bolts)
Everything else is eyewitness testimony, hearsay and conjecture :P
Best we can do is follow evidence. If it is fake it usually hits a dead end quickly, but if there is substance it leads to all sorts of other paths and doors
The problem is most people only look at a single point, and do not take time to assemble the puzzle to see the bigger picture
Quote from: zorgon on January 11, 2019, 12:00:45 PM
The only way to get PROOF is to be able to physically touch and examine and alien body (dead or alive) and look inside a nuts and bolts flying saucer (even if they don't actually use nuts and bolts)
Everything else is eyewitness testimony, hearsay and conjecture :P
Best we can do is follow evidence. If it is fake it usually hits a dead end quickly, but if there is substance it leads to all sorts of other paths and doors
The problem is most people only look at a single point, and do not take time to assemble the puzzle to see the bigger picture
Yes I agreed, but that 'evidence' is usually very suspect and if it's real then it's only put out there to cause confusion. The old 'there's nothing in this hand'. (And people are getting really good at the slight of hand routine for profit)
Conclusions derived from complex multivariate meta-analysis are never-cut-and-dry and only rarely can they be nutshelled for normie consumption.
And not all truth is for the telling. It's not your job to inform the world or engage dialecticians in their quest for attention.
Truths are tools and some truths are not made to be given to others - instead they must be used to exclude them, to delineate them based not on what they have concluded but by what they cannot conclude, for whatever reason.
Truth and proof then, should be something which is useful to you - something which aides you in your journey towards deriving correct conclusions. This makes it valuable.
One thing that I have learned over the last 10 years of "research" of the truth is that there is a lot "alternative facts" out there, to sift through. Internet is one giant National Enquirer.
There are many who are hoaxers and trying to profit from gullible peeps.
We all have our own beliefs and experiences. The problem comes when we try to convince others of our beliefs, which seems to be human nature. (Hence different religions)
Note.....
If someone on this site, were to tell a story of what has happened to them, I tend to believe them as they have no reason to be making it up. This would be why I still lurk around time to time.
"Truth" is also constantly changing
Not that long ago the "truth" was that the Earth was flat. Then it became a sphere... The FACT that it IS a sphere was demonstrated by a simple tool in 250 BC, but it wasn't until 350 years after Galileo passed away that the Catholic Church acknowledged this FACT
But today if you look on the internet, the Earth is once again becoming flat...
Just a few days ago I got a real shock... A company that was always a bastion of truth in the mineral world, Gem Rock Auctions.... a company that refuses to accept your goods if you are an Ebay seller, has now embraced the Metaphysical gemstone craze and it now dominates their mineral information on their auctions.
Perhaps a new board of directors? I will write them and ask...
But in this current Timeline Truth and Scientific Knowledge is irrelevant. Seems I wasted my life studying geology and mineralogy... because very few today care about reality... but will pay 20 times the value to get their Rainbow Aura Angel Quartz that will cure everything under the sun.
The latest craze it space radiation is good for you and you can channel it if you have a piece of Amethyst :P
I give up I really do
Anyone want to buy a piece of swamp land on Mars? I got a deal for you.