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Title: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: WhatTheHey on May 31, 2019, 12:35:49 AM
    Depending upon your age you may or may not remember a movie called "The Forbidden Planet"   Well they found it for real.   ???  lol  They just named it that.  lol

    "An international team of astronomers is reporting the discovery of a Neptune-like planet located some 920 light-years from Earth. Dubbed the "Forbidden Planet" by the researchers, this celestial object is locked in a freakishly close orbit with it host star in a configuration rarely seen.

New research published today in Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society describes the discovery of a Neptune-like planet that's so close to its host star that a single orbit takes just 1.34 days. A Neptune-like planet has never been found so close to its host star. And in fact, astronomers came up with a term, the "Neptune desert," to describe this up-close-and-personal stellar zone. Unlike small and durable rocky planets or massive Hot Jupiters, Neptune-like planets aren't supposed to exist at such a close distance, as the host star would burn the intermediate-sized object down its core. But this new exoplanet is defying those expectations.

More formally, the exoplanet has been given the designation NGTS-4b. It was discovered by the Next-Generation Transit Survey (NGTS)—a ground-based telescope at the European Southern Observatory's Paranal Observatory in Chile's Atacama Desert.
University of Warwick astronomers posing at the Next-Generation Transit Survey (NGTS) in Chile's Atacama Desert.

A team led by University of Warwick astronomer Richard West used the tried-and-true transit method to detect and characterize the distant orb. This exoplanet, which is roughly 20 percent smaller than Neptune and roughly three times the size of Earth, was spotted as it moved between us and its host star, resulting in a brief but periodic dimming of the starlight. Incredibly, they measured that the star dimmed by less than 0.2 percent—something no ground-based telescope has ever done before, according to a press release issued by the University of Warwick.

But that's not the only pioneering accomplishment of NGTS. The Forbidden Planet's achingly brief orbital period of 1.34 days is the shortest to ever be detected by a ground-based telescope. It's also the smallest exoplanet ever to be discovered from the ground. Not bad for a single discovery.

Not to mention the whole "Neptune desert" thing.

"The term 'Neptune desert' came from observing that there were few intermediate-mass planets at very short [orbital] periods," Coel Hellier, an astronomer at Keele University who didn't contribute to the new study, explained to Gizmodo in an email.

Previously, astronomers had discovered Neptune-sized planets with orbital periods as short as 5.44 days (WASP-166b) and 4.23 days (HAT-P-26b). As for orbital periods between one to four days—the short-period Neptunian desert—not so much.

The ascribed reason, explained Hellier, is that intermediate planets (i.e. large, low-density 'Neptune'-mass planets) are boiled away by radiation pouring out of their star. Larger, Jupiter-mass planets are able to survive because their greater mass and gravity enables them to keep hold of their atmosphere, while smaller, rocky planets are much denser, and so less susceptible to being boiled away, said Hellier.

As for the name "Forbidden Planet," Hellier said the discovery of this exoplanet clearly disqualifies its "forbidden" or impossible status, as it obviously exists. The most likely explanation for NGTS-4b, he said, is that it recently arrived to its current location, and its atmosphere hasn't had enough time to boil away.

"This planet doesn't have enough mass to hold onto its atmosphere, given the fierce heat from being so close to its star," Hellier told Gizmodo. "That means that it was likely born much further out from its star, and has moved to its current short-period orbit only recently. All credit to the NGTS team for finding a planet unlike those found previously by transit surveys."

Indeed, this exoplanet may be a very good example of the planetary migration hypothesis at work. NGTS-4b likely formed in the outer reaches of this planetary system, but it crept closer to its host star, eventually finding itself in its current, perilous orbital position. The authors of the new study said this is a distinct possibility, but they offered a second scenario: NGTS-4b was unusually massive.

Astronomer Hannah Wakeford from the Space Telescope Science Institute in Baltimore, not involved with the new study, said this planet was probably once much larger than it is now, and its proximity to the star is causing its atmosphere to be blown from the planet. Consequently, NGTS-4b is getting smaller and denser over time as the mass becomes dominated by the core mass and not the atmospheric mass.

"The way to test if this is the case is to look at the planetary transit in the ultraviolet [spectrum] searching for signatures of escaping hydrogen from the atmosphere," said Wakeford in an email to Gizmodo. "This would then show that this planet is like many of the other... exoplanets found in the Neptune desert, and suggests that over time the mass will drop such that it becomes a part of the population of planets below the desert cut-off which have lost all of their atmosphere."

  Looking ahead, West and his colleagues are planning to scour their data to see if any similar objects can be found in the Neptune desert. Perhaps "the desert is greener than was once thought," he said in the Warwick release." 

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                       https://youtu.be/UWqVgs4oQOs
Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: Shasta56 on May 31, 2019, 02:49:13 AM
One of my favorite movies.
Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: WhatTheHey on May 31, 2019, 09:19:51 PM
 :)   I like this movie too.  It was the first time Robby the robot was seen in movies I think!   As well as one of Leslie Nielsen's first movies, before he started doing comedy as a specialty.
       
                                                                     
https://reelrundown.com/movies/Robby-The-Robot-Films

   
                                                                                   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxQ9GG6hUDM
Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: The Seeker on June 01, 2019, 01:44:37 AM
Quote from: WhatTheHey on May 31, 2019, 09:19:51 PM
:)   I like this movie too.  It was the first time Robby the robot was seen in movies I think!   As well as one of Leslie Nielsen's first movies, before he started doing comedy as a specialty.
       
Earl Holliman was also in this flick: it was being shown on television in 30 minute segments once a week, in 1963; I remember watching the first episode with my dad when it aired on NBC the night before JFK was assassinated...

8)
Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: Shasta56 on June 01, 2019, 02:07:56 PM
I had to explain to my husband that Robby the Robot was not the same as the Robot in the List in Space series.
Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: WhatTheHey on June 01, 2019, 03:35:08 PM
Quote from: The Seeker on June 01, 2019, 01:44:37 AM
Earl Holliman was also in this flick: it was being shown on television in 30 minute segments once a week, in 1963; I remember watching the first episode with my dad when it aired on NBC the night before JFK was assassinated...
8)
Yes, the guy wanting Robby to make all the booze......lol  ;D  Bourbon I think it was.  lol   :D   There were/are a couple or three people in the movie who made it pretty big in entertainment industry.

Quote from: Shasta56 on June 01, 2019, 02:07:56 PM
I had to explain to my husband that Robby the Robot was not the same as the Robot in the List in Space series.
You know I'll bet lots of people get those two robots confused. lol  Lost in Space, was one I grew up watching.  Warning Will Robinson warning, danger!  lol   ;D

  Thanks you guys!  :)
 
Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 01, 2019, 05:35:16 PM
Check these out.

https://www.sgtrocknroll.com/classic-scifi-movies
Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: WhatTheHey on June 01, 2019, 06:13:47 PM
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 01, 2019, 05:35:16 PM
Check these out.

https://www.sgtrocknroll.com/classic-scifi-movies

    Very cool, thanks much.  ;D
Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: Shasta56 on June 02, 2019, 06:43:00 PM
I will certainly check out the list.  I stream most of what I watch, so I will see what Netflix, Hulu and others have available.
Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: A51Watcher on June 02, 2019, 07:16:28 PM
You can watch the full movie here -

https://archive.org/details/ForbiddenPlanet_201504


Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: ArMaP on June 02, 2019, 07:27:04 PM
Quote from: Shasta56 on June 01, 2019, 02:07:56 PM
I had to explain to my husband that Robby the Robot was not the same as the Robot in the List in Space series.
Yes and no, as it also appeared on Lost in Space, season 1, episode 20, "War Of The Robots".

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/e1e99074f479455b6b9b2d631e356b62.png)

PS: I had to check, as I didn't watch "Lost in Space". :)
Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: WhatTheHey on June 02, 2019, 09:25:46 PM
Quote from: Shasta56 on June 01, 2019, 02:07:56 PM
I had to explain to my husband that Robby the Robot was not the same as the Robot in the List in Space series.
Actually, since you were talking about the robot IN the series Lost in Space.  A guest appearance from Robby the robot only clarifies that Robby was NOT the robot on the series.  Also makes it more clear that it's easy for people to get the two confused.   Sure is a great movie. 

   P.S. thanks   A51  for the link.
Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: ArMaP on June 02, 2019, 09:48:10 PM
Quote from: A51Watcher on June 02, 2019, 07:16:28 PM
You can watch the full movie here -

https://archive.org/details/ForbiddenPlanet_201504
Thanks for that, I didn't have it on my old movies collection. :)
Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: thorfourwinds on June 02, 2019, 10:24:20 PM
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/vd5518a6cf.jpg)

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Thank you.

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Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 02, 2019, 10:43:39 PM
Robby the Robot was in several tv shows and also in a movie titled The Invisible Boy. Rod Sterling used him in a episode but used his original head that wasn't used in The Forbidden Planet.   
Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: WhatTheHey on June 03, 2019, 04:20:23 PM
  :)   Yeah, Robby had a good career for a character of the mechanical type.  ;D   The creator was a guy named, Robert Kinoshita.  Robert-Robby, lol.  Robert Kinoshita's creation gave lots of inspiration for up and coming scientist as did the movie.  Although The Forbidden Planet didn't have the impact of Star Trek and some other movies, it was ahead of its time.   :) 

                                         
A page on the creator and his creation.....         https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1119475/
Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 03, 2019, 04:50:24 PM
I consider it the greatest SciFi movie of all time! And the special effects were far ahead of its time, even by today's standards.
Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: The Seeker on June 03, 2019, 07:56:32 PM
Whilst we are on the subject of mechanicals such as Robbie and the Lost in Space Robot, let us not forget Gort, from "The Day the Earth stood still", which was another good movie that was waaayyy ahead of its time'

people keep calling for disclosure, and it already happened with this movie...

8)
Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: WhatTheHey on June 03, 2019, 10:44:27 PM
Quote from: The Seeker on June 03, 2019, 07:56:32 PM
Whilst we are on the subject of mechanicals such as Robbie and the Lost in Space Robot, let us not forget Gort, from "The Day the Earth stood still", which was another good movie that was waaayyy ahead of its time'

people keep calling for disclosure, and it already happened with this movie...

8)

  Yes it was! Way ahead of its time and could contain some truths also.   ;)  Edmund H. North based some of his movies loosely on facts.  Like his movie Patton. 
  Farewell to the Master, was the original story that later became The Day The Earth Stood Still.  Edmund wrote some great screen plays.

  Talking about the planets.  Pluto is fighting for its fame.  lol  Pluto says, "How dare you take away my planetary standing, calling me a dwarf planet, I'll show you!" 
  Pluto may be showing signs of life, yep that demeaned little planet that lost its standing may have been a bit insulted it seems.  Because now it looks like the out gassing on Pluto may be water ejections with organics there in.  Puts its self back on the main list of interesting places we should go.   Way to go Pluto!   ;D

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/ice-volcanoes-pluto-may-have-spewed-organic-rich-water?tgt=nr
Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: Irene on June 04, 2019, 05:53:32 PM
Quote from: The Seeker on June 03, 2019, 07:56:32 PM
Whilst we are on the subject of mechanicals such as Robbie and the Lost in Space Robot, let us not forget Gort, from "The Day the Earth stood still", which was another good movie that was waaayyy ahead of its time'

people keep calling for disclosure, and it alrea.dy happened with this movie...

8)

Interesting thing about that movie, Klaatu took a laundry tag off the suit he swiped and threw it in the street. No entity advocating advanced concepts like galactic peace, etc., would litter.

It was the only disappointing aspect of that film. Loved it.
Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: Shasta56 on June 04, 2019, 06:59:04 PM
Now I have to track down The Day the Earth Stood Still, and watch for the laundry tag scene.  My parents saw the movie at the drive in, when my brother was quite young.  I guess it really upset him.  Then my mother took me to the drive in to see Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte when I was 7.  Those were the days.
Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: A51Watcher on June 04, 2019, 07:32:01 PM


Shashta,

You can watch the full movie here -

https://archive.org/details/The.Day.The.Earth.Stood.Still1951


Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: Irene on June 04, 2019, 08:43:55 PM
Quote from: Shasta56 on June 04, 2019, 06:59:04 PM
Now I have to track down The Day the Earth Stood Still, and watch for the laundry tag scene.  My parents saw the movie at the drive in, when my brother was quite young.  I guess it really upset him.  Then my mother took me to the drive in to see Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte when I was 7.  Those were the days.

Life used to be much more fun when we were expected to be adults from the cradle. It came with an entirely different level of trust and respect.
Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 16, 2019, 02:54:14 AM
Found this:

http://www.hightechscience.org/lost_in_space_robot.htm
Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: WhatTheHey on June 17, 2019, 12:41:36 AM
Quote from: Irene on June 04, 2019, 05:53:32 PM
Interesting thing about that movie, Klaatu took a laundry tag off the suit he swiped and threw it in the street. No entity advocating advanced concepts like galactic peace, etc., would litter.

It was the only disappointing aspect of that film. Loved it.

  You know I believe I remember that part and I have to agree, it was a bit disappointing to me too.  Till I realized at that point (if I remember right lol) he is still here to destroy the human race and all of our signature on the planet as well.  So maybe he didn't think it would make a difference. lol    ;D   8)   ;D
Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: WhatTheHey on June 17, 2019, 12:50:27 AM
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 16, 2019, 02:54:14 AM
Found this:

http://www.hightechscience.org/lost_in_space_robot.htm

  Dang, that thing was heavy!  I think I remember the guy getting hurt a couple times operating the costume during the filming too.
Title: Re: The forbidden planet is real.
Post by: ArMaP on June 17, 2019, 01:34:13 AM
Quote from: WhatTheHey on June 17, 2019, 12:50:27 AM
  Dang, that thing was heavy!  I think I remember the guy getting hurt a couple times operation the costume during the filming too.
One thing that changed in the last 40 years or so is the materials used in everyday uses. In the same way you can look at photos and movies from that time and see how different the materials the clothes were made of reacted because of their stiffness, weight and other characteristics, the materials used to create things like those robots today are not only much easier to work with, they are also much lighter and probably more resistant.