And you are 100% sure you live in a simulated world. But it does not mean you know the answers of what it mean. You ask yourself: "what is the nature of the cause that made you live in here". Would you mind to share your thought about it?
Quote from: RUSSO on July 20, 2019, 02:19:48 AM
And you are 100% sure you live in a simulated world. But it does not mean you know the answers of what it mean. You ask yourself: "what is the nature of the cause that made you live in here". Would you mind to share your thought about it?
Been watching the "Matrix" again? :P
Seriously, there are several schools of thought that maintain that we are in school for soul development, that we incarnate here many times until we experience all things, both good and bad, until we graduate to the next level...
Fascinating, isn't it?
8)
Seeker
Quote from: The Seeker on July 20, 2019, 02:57:39 AM
Been watching the "Matrix" again? :P
Seriously, there are several schools of thought that maintain that we are in school for soul development, that we incarnate here many times until we experience all things, both good and bad, until we graduate to the next level...
Fascinating, isn't it?
8)
Seeker
In fact im in a step above now, watching the sequel, john wick :P
Yes, that makes me wonder if we are in kindergarten school for noobs, or maybe, we are just a F*ing quantum computer in some kids bedroom playing some videogames.
I know we have to find our own meaning in life but the things we can reach thinking about it are really disapointing sometimes.
Oh and since i started to listen to sam harris, i started to understand we have no free will. No free will. Well....
Quote from: RUSSO on July 20, 2019, 02:19:48 AM
And you are 100% sure you live in a simulated world.
Well, as I'm never 100% sure of any thing, the first thing I would do would be to try to know why I was having that feeling. :)
QuoteBut it does not mean you know the answers of what it mean. You ask yourself: "what is the nature of the cause that made you live in here".
I wouldn't, that's not my way of thinking. :)
Hi Russo
never heard of sam harris so of course i had to look him up
QuoteSamuel Benjamin Harris is an author, public intellectual, blogger, and podcast host primarily known for his criticism of religion. His academic background is in philosophy and cognitive neuroscience. Wikipedia
Born: April 9, 1967 (age 52 years), Los Angeles, CA
Spouse: Annaka Harris (m. 2004)
Thesis: The moral landscape: How science could determine human values (2009)
Influenced by: Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, MORE
Education: University of California, Los Angeles (2009), Stanford University (2000)
gave me a chuckle to read he is a
Quote public intellectual
does that mean he is dumb in private...lol
sorry wierd sense of humor here
Quote from: space otter on July 20, 2019, 03:13:34 PM
does that mean he is dumb in private...lol
sorry wierd sense of humor here
That's the kind of sense of humour I like. ;D
When awake You are experiencing 3D.
When sleeping, You are charging up the 3D vehicle, and then Your eternal self trips into 5D.
In 5d You download Your 3d experience, and pick up information relative to that experience as required.
The eternal part of You is in Your 3D heart location.
This is a perfectly packed universe with multiple faces of the packing been the different dimensions.
Have contacted Myself in 5D.
kevin
I agree with Kevin, that sleep is a part of our OS, and it is where something happens to either reorganize the information such as defragging a hard drive, and that action creates bizarre and unreal dreams and nightmares as the memories overlap and get laid over and against one another, and the geometry of universe uses the space it has to perfectly pack every possible nook and cranny with information.
There are no "voids" or "empty spaces" in this universe.
I think thats kind of what hes saying there..maybe more a riddle than a clue?
I think a wise Otter also had suggested once that dreams, specifically numeric ones, are often telling of something in the breeze..I once dreamed of the numbers 162, 171, and 333...of course they add up to nine and the first two add up to the third, but why would i see that, I still wonder...
Cheers, Dave
Heres one Kevin shared with me years ago..lots of information in there if you are seeking it....it describes the packing and how relative position to the multiple faces determines what the eye sees, but not necessarily what the mind experiences.
2,3,5 Infinity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37DwuvIneIE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37DwuvIneIE)
Cheers, Dave
I often observe bees and birds flying into glass windows, even when they hit it multiple times they still can't fathom it's there.
Revelations talk quite a lot about heaven been as glass.
What if???
We exist in a glass house, as such, it's there but We can't fathom it's there due to our limited senses?
We are ( our vehicles) products of 3D, and therefore our senses are of 3D.
But the energy ( consciousness) that empowers ourselves to be independent entities flows about ( serpents) tripping across all dimensions, and when sleeping We plug into that energy just as an electrical vehicle needs to .
Our normal 3D survival senses can't detect this, but whilst plugged in ( as such ) We are then experiencing those flows of information?
You can often notice how when another person awakens they do so with a kind of startled jump, that's Your 5D self suddenly back in Your vehicle.
Kevin
Quote from: kevin on August 12, 2019, 01:13:03 PM
Our normal 3D survival senses can't detect this, but whilst plugged in ( as such ) We are then experiencing those flows of information?
Are those "flows of information" dreams? If yes, what about people that do not dream?
Quote from: ArMaP on August 12, 2019, 02:15:37 PM
Are those "flows of information" dreams? If yes, what about people that do not dream?
No, they are flows of consciousness, Everyone dreams, many can't recall.
Christianity refers to those flows as the holy spirit.
Kevin
Kevin, let us take a look at what is commonly referred to as astral projection; there are many accounts of people, whilst realizing that they are asleep and conscious of being on the astral plane, of having a silver cord that connects them to their earthly body; if the cord gets severed, the meatsuit dies
the eternal self, that which you refer to as the 5d part, is the actual real essence of each of us, the glowing light body that is our life force, the same aura that can be seen with Kirlian photography, or that which is called the oversoul, is connected to many different pieces of our consciousness that is scattered about in different meatsuits, each piece separate and isolated to that experience yet still connected on the unconscious level
ArMaP, we all dream every night, whether we remember them upon awakening or not; you can program your subconscious before falling asleep each nite by closing your eyes and looking upwards, telling your sub that your will to remember your dreams in detail, that you will awaken at a specific time, alert, calm, refreshed, in good health, ready to enjoy the day, also tell it to maintain the body in optimum health and repair any issues...
just be aware that your subconsciousness takes what you say literally, so don't say "I want to remember my dreams" but say "I will remember my dreams, clearly, calmly, and with full comprehension"
8)
Seeker
P.S. A good read on this subject is Jose Silva's Mind Control; he goes in to great detail on how to accomplish this...
Seeker,
Glad You found my post.
Ever had a tingling at the back of Your neck?, that's where Your silver cord is connected.
The aura as often termed is in 4D, and has multiple fields with the heart been dominant, this is detectable and measurable.
Young children are often aprox 50 feet radius, whilst many older are down to a foot or so.
Many consequences occur when this field shrinks , as new life forms ( cancers) are able to begin to develop due to the low strength field of the host.
Consciousness enables memory, and We as all living entities are results of programming, cancers are our own cells forgetting our original program, and start to form new memories, as with all new life consciousness is attracted, this helps to deplete the hosts field.
What is MOST important is to try and boost the hosts field to thus defeat the new memory, We are doing this constantly , but are unaware.
Alzhiemers is another consequence and really shows the memory aspect clearly as our memories are written on the consciousness field from the centre outwards ( opposite to an LP ) This is why child hood memories are the last to go.
I am extremely concerned about the 5G rollout, it is a weapon.
If You are really interested in something, then dreamtime is where the answers can be accessed, and I often wake up with a "of course" feeling, a knowing , about that which I am seeking, You have to then repeat it fast to imprint it upon Your 4D field, You only have a minute or so .
One of My heroes was Dr TT Brown, He had His daughter and wife armed with notepad and pens to write down this information ( shorthand) and He power slept multiple times daily.
nikola tesla could recall this information without this need.
I have had chats with My 5D self, and He sure knows ever so much, I wasn't asleep or smoking anything.
Kevin
Quote from: The Seeker on August 12, 2019, 05:57:00 PM
ArMaP, we all dream every night, whether we remember them upon awakening or not; you can program your subconscious before falling asleep each nite by closing your eyes and looking upwards, telling your sub that your will to remember your dreams in detail, that you will awaken at a specific time, alert, calm, refreshed, in good health, ready to enjoy the day, also tell it to maintain the body in optimum health and repair any issues...
I rarely remember dreaming, so there's no way of knowing if I dreamed or not.
Also, I don't think I will have the time to tell any thing to my subconscious, I fall asleep almost instantly. :)
I rarely dreamed too, until I started taking all the medicine I'm on...
Now I dream all the time...very vivid and strange... 8)
I rarely dream (or remember it), but when I do I'm always aware that I am dreaming and, sometimes, I change the dream as I go along. I have been doing that all my life.
Quote from: ArMaP on August 12, 2019, 10:15:54 PM
I rarely dream (or remember it), but when I do I'm always aware that I am dreaming and, sometimes, I change the dream as I go along. I have been doing that all my life.
Sometimes I 'know' i'm dreaming and try to tell myself 'hey I'm only dreaming'....
But other times they are so real that I can't tell the difference...
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 12, 2019, 10:43:49 PM
Sometimes I 'know' i'm dreaming and try to tell myself 'hey I'm only dreaming'....
But other times they are so real that I can't tell the difference...
Carlos castenada said that when you realize that you are dreaming, to try and look at your hands; if you can do that, then you can control the dream 8)
Had a short period of time where I stopped having dreams for about a year and never gave it much thought until someone asked me if I remember my dreams, now that seems so distant and my dreams now have returned as weird and bizarre as always and I often remember that with crystal clarity...go figure lol
Cheers
Quote from: Littleenki on August 13, 2019, 07:39:06 PM
Had a short period of time where I stopped having dreams for about a year and never gave it much thought until someone asked me if I remember my dreams, now that seems so distant and my dreams now have returned as weird and bizarre as always and I often remember that with crystal clarity...go figure lol
Cheers
You might find this of interest, LE; these are still ongoing from time to time...
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=4949.0 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=4949.0)
Quote from: ArMaP on August 12, 2019, 10:15:54 PM
I rarely dream (or remember it), but when I do I'm always aware that I am dreaming and, sometimes, I change the dream as I go along. I have been doing that all my life.
thats sounds like the waking life movie, i cant go pass the switch. I mean i turn it on and i wake up or i know im dreamming and wake up. How do i get pass this ArMaP? is that possible?
Quote from: RUSSO on September 13, 2019, 05:05:36 AM
thats sounds like the waking life movie, i cant go pass the switch. I mean i turn it on and i wake up or i know im dreamming and wake up. How do i get pass this ArMaP? is that possible?
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. Could you rephrase it? Thanks in advance.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 14, 2019, 12:24:40 AM
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. Could you rephrase it? Thanks in advance.
You can do what you want in your dreams right? i cant, cause when im dreaming and i beome aware of it, everytime i see a switch, or a light switch, is showed to me i i try push it, and the lights dont "light" so im aware im dreaming and i wake up. Get it?
A question for you, do you know, understand or have any comments about the simulation hypothesis by nick bostrom? I know you are a logic person, so you understand the probabilities right? Can you see why we probably are in a simulation?
Quote from: RUSSO on September 20, 2019, 03:49:15 AM
You can do what you want in your dreams right? i cant, cause when im dreaming and i beome aware of it, everytime i see a switch, or a light switch, is showed to me i i try push it, and the lights dont "light" so im aware im dreaming and i wake up. Get it?
Got it. :)
QuoteA question for you, do you know, understand or have any comments about the simulation hypothesis by nick bostrom? I know you are a logic person, so you understand the probabilities right? Can you see why we probably are in a simulation?
I never looked into that possibility because I think it's just a way people found of replacing the traditional god(s) with something that sounds cooler. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on September 20, 2019, 10:29:22 PM
I never looked into that possibility because I think it's just a way people found of replacing the traditional god(s) with something that sounds cooler. :)
But thats the thing, its not cooler at all :P
Anyways, its a very strong argument imo.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 20, 2019, 10:29:22 PM
I never looked into that possibility because I think it's just a way people found of replacing the traditional god(s) with something that sounds cooler. :)
Here, maybe you see how the possibility is strong and not narrow as you like to think it is. "as ArMaP think ai will ever be narrow and not strong" as ping-pong to MMORPG wound never happpen in strong way. AI simulated worlds, even if at 0,1 improve rate for 100, 1000 years or 1000000... it does not matter we will get in there, if we dont kill ourselves or we are ethic people as like NOT doing nuclear bombs or NOT making people think they are real just to get data, we will not push that simulation button right?
Interview with Nick Bostrom at the Future of Humanity Institute Oxford University -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnl6nY8YKHs
Its kind after 1h and half hour I'd like to be transferred to the simulation where Joe understands probability haha 8) :D ;D :o ??? ::)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c4cv7rVlE8
Its a matter of probability right?
Quote from: ArMaP on September 20, 2019, 10:29:22 PM
I never looked into that possibility because I think it's just a way people found of replacing the traditional god(s) with something that sounds cooler. :)
So please ArMaP, explain how is it cooler?
Quote from: RUSSO on October 03, 2019, 09:11:55 AM
Here, maybe you see how the possibility is strong and not narrow as you like to think it is. "as ArMaP think ai will ever be narrow and not strong" as ping-pong to MMORPG wound never happpen in strong way. AI simulated worlds, even if at 0,1 improve rate for 100, 1000 years or 1000000... it does not matter we will get in there, if we dont kill ourselves or we are ethic people as like NOT doing nuclear bombs or NOT making people think they are real just to get data, we will not push that simulation button right?
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. ???
QuoteIts a matter of probability right?
I don't have the slightest idea, I didn't watch the videos, as usual. :)
Quote from: RUSSO on October 03, 2019, 09:35:47 AM
So please ArMaP, explain how is it cooler?
I don't think it's cooler, I should have said: "... with something that sounds cooler
to them."
Quote from: ArMaP on October 03, 2019, 09:10:52 PM
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. ???
Well, let me try to explain it better:
"Nick Bostrom's premise:
Many works of science fiction as well as some forecasts by serious technologists and futurologists predict that enormous amounts of computing power will be available in the future(1). Let us suppose for a moment that these predictions are correct. One thing that later generations might do with their super-powerful computers is run detailed simulations of their forebears or of people like their forebears. Because their computers would be so powerful, they could run a great many such simulations. Suppose that these simulated people are conscious (as they would be if the simulations were sufficiently fine-grained and if a certain quite widely accepted position in the philosophy of mind is correct). Then it could be the case that the vast majority of minds like ours do not belong to the original race but rather to people simulated by the advanced descendants of an original race."
(1) Thats what I meant by improvement rate, even if we improve at an 0.1% rate each year looking at computational power and The strongest argument for us being in a simulation, probably being in a simulation, is the following: 40 years ago, we had Pong, two rectangles and a dot...That is what games were. Now, 40 years later, we have photorealistic 3D simulations with millions of people playing simultaneously, and it's getting better every year. And soon we'll have virtual reality, augmented reality. If you assume any rate of improvement at all, the games will become indistinguishable from reality.
"Nick Bostrom's conclusion:
Nick Bostrom in 2014
It is then possible to argue that, if this were the case, we would be rational to think that we are likely among the simulated minds rather than among the original biological ones.
Therefore, if we don't think that we are currently living in a computer simulation, we are not entitled to believe that we will have descendants who will run lots of such simulations of their forebears.
— Nick Bostrom, Are you living in a computer simulation?, 2003"
In other words, once we push that button and start to run a simulated world, our chances to be the original one are close to zero:
A technologically mature "posthuman" civilization would have enormous computing power. Based on this empirical fact, the simulation argument shows that at least one of the following propositions is true:
(1) The fraction of human-level civilizations that reach a posthuman stage is very close to zero;
(2) The fraction of posthuman civilizations that are interested in running ancestor-simulations is very close to zero;
(3) The fraction of all people with our kind of experiences that are living in a simulation is very close to one.
If (1) is true, then we will almost certainly go extinct before reaching posthumanity. If (2) is true, then there must be a strong convergence among the courses of advanced civilizations so that virtually none contains any relatively wealthy individuals who desire to run ancestor-simulations and are free to do so. If (3) is true, then we almost certainly live in a simulation. In the dark forest of our current ignorance, it seems sensible to apportion one's credence roughly evenly between (1), (2), and (3).
Unless we are now living in a simulation, our descendants will almost certainly never run an ancestor-simulation.
Sources:
https://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis
https://futurism.com/are-we-living-in-a-computer-simulation-elon-musk-thinks-so
QuoteI don't have the slightest idea, I didn't watch the videos, as usual. :)
Thats to bad because those "lectures" are really good information. But you can read about it too. the sources above have the same info. I just find more convenient to watch the lectures because Nick its a really good teacher.
Quote from: RUSSO on October 06, 2019, 01:53:14 PM
Many works of science fiction as well as some forecasts by serious technologists and futurologists predict that enormous amounts of computing power will be available in the future(1). Let us suppose for a moment that these predictions are correct.
OK, no problems with that.
QuoteOne thing that later generations might do with their super-powerful computers is run detailed simulations of their forebears or of people like their forebears.
Might is not a certainty.
QuoteBecause their computers would be so powerful, they could run a great many such simulations.
True, but why would they do it? I don't see any interest in such simulations.
QuoteSuppose that these simulated people are conscious (as they would be if the simulations were sufficiently fine-grained and if a certain quite widely accepted position in the philosophy of mind is correct).
Another "not a certainty".
QuoteThen it could be the case that the vast majority of minds like ours do not belong to the original race but rather to people simulated by the advanced descendants of an original race."
Why "the vast majority"? Why not all? Wouldn't "the vast majority" imply a mix between reality and simulation?
QuoteIt is then possible to argue that, if this were the case, we would be rational to think that we are likely among the simulated minds rather than among the original biological ones.
It's possible to argue many things, but would it be likely? Just because it could be possible it doesn't make it likely.
QuoteTherefore, if we don't think that we are currently living in a computer simulation, we are not entitled to believe that we will have descendants who will run lots of such simulations of their forebears.
Why not?
QuoteA technologically mature "posthuman" civilization would have enormous computing power. Based on this empirical fact, the simulation argument shows that at least one of the following propositions is true:
Why?
Quote(1) The fraction of human-level civilizations that reach a posthuman stage is very close to zero;
(2) The fraction of posthuman civilizations that are interested in running ancestor-simulations is very close to zero;
(3) The fraction of all people with our kind of experiences that are living in a simulation is very close to one.
I don't see any reason to accept (3).
QuoteIf (1) is true, then we will almost certainly go extinct before reaching posthumanity.
True.
QuoteIf (2) is true, then there must be a strong convergence among the courses of advanced civilizations so that virtually none contains any relatively wealthy individuals who desire to run ancestor-simulations and are free to do so.
Why?
QuoteIf (3) is true, then we almost certainly live in a simulation. In the dark forest of our current ignorance, it seems sensible to apportion one's credence roughly evenly between (1), (2), and (3).
Why?
QuoteUnless we are now living in a simulation, our descendants will almost certainly never run an ancestor-simulation.
Basically, what he is saying is the usual "I have this idea and it have to be the truth because I am very smart" kind of thing. Just get a bunch of
ifs and
maybes and present it as a certainty.
QuoteThats to bad because those "lectures" are really good information. But you can read about it too. the sources above have the same info. I just find more convenient to watch the lectures because Nick its a really good teacher.
I don't like videos because:
1) they force me to spend my time the way the maker wants it;
2) I'm forced to see or listen to way the people in the video present the information, with all the bias they may inject in the way they talk and move while doing it.
I prefer reading. :)