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Here recently, in the last 6 months or so, we have been deluged with many assorted space/ ufo related programs, ranging from "The truth about the moon landings", Tom Delonghe and Luis Elizondo with their show about the Nimitz "tic tac" films, which just ended its season run, now a new one called "contact" with 3 ex-cia investigators researching the same footage, talking to the same witnesses...

I see all this as being a distraction to keep our attention drawn away from some other issue, but what?

Waiting on your thoughts and comments

Seeker

To me, the most likely reasons for this new trend are distraction and profit, and they are not mutually exclusive.

One consequence of, for example, the "Tic Tac" UFO is that now all new sightings are called "Tic Tacs", so any sighting of a different shape may go unnoticed.

Quote from: ArMaP on July 23, 2019, 09:19:03 PM
To me, the most likely reasons for this new trend are distraction and profit, and they are not mutually exclusive.

Profit is always a motivating factor in most things, altho it is reported that TTSA is 37 mil in debt (so far) it does make me wonder just how much those 6(?) episodes on the history channel cost to produce and how much revenue they brought in...

QuoteOne consequence of, for example, the "Tic Tac" UFO is that now all new sightings are called "Tic Tacs", so any sighting of a different shape may go unnoticed.

Sigh...
This is true, ArMaP, simply because people are not going to take the extra seconds to carefully look at anything, it's too easy to say "OH, it's one of them tic-tac looking thingys..." instead of actually giving a decent description of what they saw or filmed

Current programs being run about space/ufo's/strange occurrences:

https://www.history.com/shows/unidentified-inside-americas-ufo-investigation
Unidentified: Inside America's UFO Investigation

On the Travel Channel:

UFO'S: The lost Evidence

Alien Highway

On the Science Channel:

The Truth behind the Moon landiings

Contact(another series about the Nimitz tic tac)

NASA's Unexplained Files

seems they all want to push the agenda

Does seem odd.

10 years ago you only saw this kind of things on the web and trolls like James Oberg spent their time debunking anything that was controversial.

https://www.sciencealert.com/ufo-nasa-iss-sighting-debunked-fireballs-video-james-oberg-not-aliens

I suppose they reached the conclusion that believers are a better cash-cow than sceptics. :)

Quote from: micjer on July 25, 2019, 01:47:20 PM
Does seem odd.

10 years ago you only saw this kind of things on the web and trolls like James Oberg spent their time debunking anything that was controversial.

https://www.sciencealert.com/ufo-nasa-iss-sighting-debunked-fireballs-video-james-oberg-not-aliens

Yep  8) Jimmy Oberg, Joe Nickel, James McGaha, all bound and determined to debunk and crucify anyone or anything that doesn't fit neatly in their neat little box of prescribed happenings; healthy inquiry and sensible skepticism is one thing, but belligerent and totally anal debunking is ridiculous  ::)

Also I still wonder about then President-elect Trump's blurb about "high flying assets"...

Seeker

Quote from: ArMaP on July 25, 2019, 02:09:17 PM
I suppose they reached the conclusion that believers are a better cash-cow than sceptics. :)

That is one of the side effects of "Ufo Disease" ,ArMaP; Steven Greer and quite a few others figured that one out years ago, unfortunately, but there will always be a percentage of people that will blindly and totally believe anything shoved their way...

Here is an idea that Dolores Cannon would call "mind candy".

What if we have entered a New Earth that she predicted......

It would help explain the glitches in the Matrix.....
It would help explain the above question about ufo's being discussed openly.....
It would help explain the new transparency in politics...
Many other things..

Have you noticed more and more articles being written about nuclear fusion lately also.  I truly believe that is the future energy source once it gets harnessed.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/worlds-largest-nuclear-fusion-experiment-clears-milestone/

Quote from: micjer on July 26, 2019, 01:11:09 PM
It would help explain the new transparency in politics...

What new transparency? ???

QuoteHave you noticed more and more articles being written about nuclear fusion lately also.  I truly believe that is the future energy source once it gets harnessed.

No.

Quote from: micjer on July 26, 2019, 01:11:09 PM
Here is an idea that Dolores Cannon would call "mind candy".

What if we have entered a New Earth that she predicted......

It is indeed food for thought, Mic, as discussed in the timelines thread...

QuoteIt would help explain the glitches in the Matrix.....
It would help explain the above question about ufo's being discussed openly.....
It would help explain the new transparency in politics...
Many other things..

From my point of view, there are many differences, some subtle, some blatant, and I am not alone in noticing these changes in my local area; perhaps Cannon was on to something...

QuoteHave you noticed more and more articles being written about nuclear fusion lately also.  I truly believe that is the future energy source once it gets harnessed.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/worlds-largest-nuclear-fusion-experiment-clears-milestone/

There does seem to be a lot more out there now in the public eye beyond the occasional mention about fusion research with the tokamak; don't be surprised if more info about working fusion reactors comes to light in the days ahead...

it wouldn't surprise me  8)

Seeker

Good question mate and there definitely seems to be an concerted agenda in play (whether it's active misdirection, plausible deniability or just saturation of search engine results) - I did see this vid a few weeks ago and call me cynical but I do hope the endgame to all this engineered hype isn't just going to be 'hypersonic tech',

That's what Kaku seems to be selling..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5yK-MOIlhY


If the US Navy wants to release anything about the UFO/USO subject then maybe they should start here (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3994.msg53224#msg53224) or here (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10187.msg134448#msg134448).

Quote from: The Seeker on July 25, 2019, 04:47:51 PM
healthy inquiry and sensible skepticism is one thing, but belligerent and totally anal debunking is ridiculous  ::)

Bravo!

My personal belief is that these craft are being seen ONLY because 'THEY' want them to be seen.
Who are 'THEY'? Well it certainly isn't the Navy or any other 'official' government agency.
Although the Navy has it's special place in all this as they govern what goes on.
The other agencies are just for show in this en devour of UFO's.

Sgt. you're not talking about some other worldly entities?
No not necessarily just them, they have to have a funnel for all these advancements to be eventually shown (or come to light).
It's the behind the scenes outfits that work to channel all this to the public, at their specific speed, i.e. when they think we're ready for it.
Regardless of who's in power or what agency is the flavor of the day.

There was a movie not too long ago, called 'Forgotten'.
Check that out and believe that we let them do what they want, no matter how terrible it might be and help them,because.....'What choice do we have'?

Anyway that's my opinion.

Rock  8)
 

I don't want to derail the thread, but when you google nuclear fusion these come up all in the last few days.

Nuclear Fusion Could Be A Reality By 2025

Jul 28, 2019, 4:00 PM CDT

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Nuclear-Power/Nuclear-Fusion-Could-Be-A-Reality-By-2025.html

Lockheed Martin Doubles Down on Cold Fusion

July 29, 2019

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/lockheed-martin-doubles-down-cold-120300203.html


The Great, Maddening Promise of Fusion Energy

July 29, 2019,

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-07-29/startups-aim-to-spark-progress-on-fusion-energy




Published on 6 Jun 2019
Nuclear Fusion is Finally Here



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LADbinZcEyM

well whatever the answer is i got a chuckle cause in our little local paper today is an article about so many ufo reports from  here....
i know the papers are hurting and having less and less pages because most folks are on line.. but still i think this represents a new way to handle it all..
make so many reports that it is common place and truly less remarkable
comes under my heading of hidden in plain site
but what do i know.. :P

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Out of this world: UFO sightings frequently reported across Western Pennsylvania, U.S.
Stephen Huba
STEPHEN HUBA   | Saturday, July 27, 2019 8:01 a.m.

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While the Kecksburg UFO sighting has become a quaint part of local lore, more recent reports of unexplained aerial phenomena are getting serious attention from Congress, the U.S. military and longtime UFO watchers.

"It's not going away," said retired journalist Bob Gatty. "Whether you believe or don't believe in this stuff, the fact remains there is a lot happening for some reason."

Gatty, who originally reported on the Kecksburg incident for the Tribune-Review in 1965, recently noted on his blog NotFakeNews.biz that the Navy has issued new guidelines to fighter pilots regarding UFO sightings, and members of Congress are seeking more frequent briefings on the subject.

"Congress apparently is taking this stuff — at least the Navy reports — seriously," said Gatty, 76, a former Sykesville, Jefferson County, resident who lives in Myrtle Beach, S.C.

Meanwhile, longtime local UFO researcher Stan Gordon said there has been a "surge" in sightings of unexplained phenomena in Western Pennsylvania — whether extraterrestrial or not.

"We keep getting reports of very strange things that people see around here," said Gordon, 69, of Greensburg. "We've had a surge of UFO and Bigfoot activity in the area in the last couple of weeks. Many of these sightings are very detailed reports."

While sightings usually spike in the spring and summer, when people are outside more, reports in 2018 and 2019 have been more consistently year-round, he said. Sightings are mostly of unexplained things in the sky or of earthbound cryptids — animals such as Bigfoot, whose existence is unsubstantiated.

Gordon has spent the past 54 years investigating the Kecksburg incident, when on Dec. 9, 1965, people across six states and Canada reported seeing a fireball streak across the sky before crashing into a wooded area in Mt. Pleasant Township.

Though other sightings don't get the attention of Kecksburg, Gordon says they still persist — and they get documented on his website StanGordon.info. He first set up a hotline to report sightings in Pennsylvania in 1969.

"In all the years I've done this, I've never seen (a UFO or Bigfoot) myself, but I've interviewed thousands of witnesses," he said. "Every year ... we're getting very detailed reports from credible people that you cannot easily dismiss."

Upon investigation, many "sightings" end up having either natural or man-made causes — a bear or a large, shaggy dog or a hunter wearing camouflage, he said. Most end up on the growing repository of unexplained phenomena, with no conclusive explanation.

Greensburg: July 5

Gordon's website documents mostly Pennsylvania sightings — the most recent one in June near the Youngstown side of Chestnut Ridge. The National UFO Reporting Center in Harrington, Wash., documents sightings from across the United States, Canada, the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico.

The center's website, NUFORC.org, ranks Pennsylvania seventh in total UFO sightings (3,937 reported, dating to 1947) and notes that sightings so far this year (84) nearly equal the total number for 2018. Among the most recent was an anonymous report from Greensburg.

The report was of unidentifiable lights moving slowly, perfectly spaced apart, and of a red/orange round object or cylinder moving east and west, according to NUFORC. The sighting around 10 p.m. July 5 lasted six minutes.

Other recent sightings in the region reported to NUFORC include:

• July 4 — An orange-red sphere spotted around 10 p.m. in both Erie and Cecil, Washington County.

• June 28 — A person reported seeing a shiny silver disc or saucer overhead in Mt. Lebanon at 8:35 p.m. After about 15 minutes, it disappeared.

• June 23 — An Elizabeth resident reported seeing five amber-colored, circular shapes move in all directions in the sky and then form an arrowhead shape before disappearing after about 4 minutes.

Peter Davenport, NUFORC director, has been collecting such data for 25 years.

"All you need is one good report to tell you what's going on," he said, noting that credible reports in the United States date to at least the 1940s and '50s.

In 2004, Davenport presented a paper to the Mutual UFO Network on the use of "passive radar" for detecting UFOs in the near-earth environment. "If that signal were to strike an anomalous target ... it would be reflected back down to ground level. We can use that for detecting anomalous targets," he said.

Davenport said his proposal reached the Central Intelligence Agency and garnered a complimentary response from a CIA agent. He also has met with FBI agents, who "were obviously very interested in some of the data" on the NUFORC website.

Notwithstanding the wealth of credible reports, Davenport said solving the mystery of UFOs will require "a government that still serves the people. The government has known about the UFO phenomenon for a long time."

Military attention

Unverified sightings from civilians are one thing, but sightings by Navy fighter pilots have reached the highest echelons of the U.S. government, according to To the Stars Academy of Arts & Science, or TTSA, a public benefit corporation that seeks to advance public understanding and government research of unexplained aerial phenomena.

Former Pentagon intelligence official Christopher Mellon, an adviser to TTSA, wrote in the Washington Post in 2018 that the existence of UFOs is no longer in question. What is lacking is a commitment from the Defense Department to investigate the growing body of evidence from the military, he said.

"There is no Pentagon process for synthesizing all the observations the military is making," wrote Mellon, a member of Western Pennsylvania's prominent Mellon family and a former Ligonier resident. "It is time to set aside taboos regarding 'UFOs' and instead listen to our pilots and radar operators."

He could not be reached for comment.

Mellon noted that one declassified video from 2015 showed two F-18 fighter pilots using an infrared sensor to engage an object that was flying at a low altitude at a high rate of speed off the East Coast but with no discernible means of propulsion.

In the video, posted on the TTSA website, the pilots react with excitement when they finally "lock on" to the object:

"Whoa! Got it!"

[Laughter] "Woo hoo!"

"What the (expletive) is that thing?!"

"Did you box a moving target?"

"No, it's in autotrack."

"Oh, OK."

"Oh my gosh, dude."

"Wow! What is that, man?"

"Look at that flying!"

Stephen Huba is a Tribune-Review staff writer. You can contact Stephen at 724-850-1280, shuba@tribweb.com or via Twitter .


DETAILS
2019 Kecksburg UFO Festival
When: noon-11 p.m. Saturday; noon-5 p.m. Sunday
Admission: Free, donation requested for the UFO conference at 1 p.m. Sunday
Where: Kecksburg Volunteer Fire Department grounds and social hall, 5128 Water St., Mt. Pleasant Township
Details:  or kecksburgvfd.com

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https://triblive.com/local/westmoreland/kecksburg-ufo-festival-celebrates-something-that-fell-from-the-sky-in-1965/


WESTMORELAND
Kecksburg UFO Festival celebrates ... something ... that fell from the sky in 1965
Stephen Huba
STEPHEN HUBA   | Saturday, July 27, 2019 4:01 p.m.

vid at link

A smalltown festival devoted to paranormal phenomena is not going to hold too many surprises, given the subject matter.

So to see a young man striding with a sense of purpose in full Army regalia at the 2019 Kecksburg UFO Festival on Saturday — well, it didn't seem all that unusual, even with temperatures in the high 80s.

Sabastian Synuria, 18, of Brownsville, who plays a soldier in the upcoming film "Kecksburg," wore a uniform and helmet as he staffed the independent film's booth at the Kecksburg UFO Festival.

Synuria, who also was a grip for "Kecksburg," said he found out about the movie while playing an extra in the 2015 horror movie "Gore Orphanage," which was directed by the wife of "Kecksburg" director Cody Knotts.

"I signed up for one of his acting classes, and that's how I got involved," Synuria said.

And watching people get their picture taken next to a large, acorn-shaped object, or 7-foot statues of Bigfoot — again, perfectly normal.

Karen Beyrand, 67, of Yukon, who attended the festival with her husband, Frank, 75, said she's been interested in the possibility of alien life since she was a young girl.

"I'm familiar with the (Kecksburg) incident. I've read up on it, and I remember something happening in 1965," she said. "I believe something did happen here. Whether it was Russian or something from outer space, I don't know."

The festival, now in its 14th year, celebrates a UFO crash that is said to have taken place in a wooded area near the Mt. Pleasant Township community of Kecksburg on Dec. 9, 1965.

A fireball was seen streaking across seven northeastern states and Canada the afternoon of Dec. 9, according to Tribune-Review reports from the next day.

Dec. 10, 1965.

Those living nearby said that they felt vibrations, followed by "a thump" around the time the object is said to have crashed.

One of the primary witnesses was an 8-year-old boy who said he saw what looked like "a flaming star" fall into the woods.

Bob Gatty was a young reporter working at the Tribune-Review at the time. He had just finished covering a school board meeting when the night editor came over, put his arm around his shoulder and said, "Bob, I've got the story of the century for you."

Gatty, 76, who now lives in Myrtle Beach, S.C., thought his editor was sending him on a "snipe hunt." Nonetheless, he obediently drove down to Kecksburg, where he encountered local authorities and military personnel.

"They were blocking people's access into this field," he said. "There were all these people milling around, watching to see what was going on. I got out of my car and walked over to a guy and said, 'Hey, what's going on.' And he said, 'Nothing. ... There's nothing down there.' "

The man told him, "You can't go down there. You'll be arrested."

Then Gatty started interviewing witnesses.

"Some said they saw this object come down, and it seemed like it was guided and went down through this tree and landed in the field," he said. "Later there were reports that a flatbed truck with some kind of big object covered with a tarp was brought out of there."

Gatty left the Tribune-Review a few weeks later to continue his journalism career in Harrisburg and elsewhere. But no matter how hard he tried, that night in Kecksburg stayed with him.

"This thing has followed me my entire life," he said. "I've covered a lot of big stuff ... and what is it that's followed me all these years? It's the Kecksburg UFO."

The area was investigated by state and federal authorities. State police told the Tribune-Review Dec. 10, 1965, that they found "absolutely nothing whatsoever and no marks to indicate anything" after searching the area with equipment to detect radiation.

Astronomers said the large fireball was likely a Geminid meteor from the constellation Gemini.

The Kecksburg UFO Festival, an annual fundraiser for the Kecksburg Volunteer Fire Department, concludes on Sunday. A UFO conference starts at 1 p.m. in the EMS building.

Stephen Huba is a Tribune-Review staff writer. You can contact Stephen at, shuba@tribweb.com or via Twitter .



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you can read reports to Stan here
http://www.stangordon.info/wp/

I deleted the last two posts I made in this thread.  I realised that while I may not have any real hope left, that it is still wrong of me to try and take that away from anyone else.

I hope something will save us.  I don't think anything will, but I hope it does.

Pets r us

it's only over if YOU believe it is

and i do know you are smart enough to figure a way out.....do it !

Quote from: karl 12 on July 29, 2019, 12:19:18 PM
Good question mate and there definitely seems to be an concerted agenda in play (whether it's active misdirection, plausible deniability or just saturation of search engine results) - I did see this vid a few weeks ago and call me cynical but I do hope the endgame to all this engineered hype isn't just going to be 'hypersonic tech',

That's what Kaku seems to be selling..

Karl, one interesting point to come out of the inside america program was the discussion between a hollywood special effects guru and a nasa engineer/physicist, Travis Taylor, which, since the "tic-tac" was filmed in infrared, was the total lack of any heat signature, and the comment about it possibly being an Alcubierre warp bubble propulsion system

as far as it being some form of black project hypersonic program, it would still have to be new, unconventional tech (for the sightings that are actually our craft,) using something other than ramjet or pulse-detonation style engines...

perhaps we will finally be shown some of the repressed and hidden tech that could improve our paradigm

8)

This is my belief on many of the ufo sightings that are not man-made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEIPYmiLuTA


According to the Book of Enoch, "The Watchers" came down from heaven to impart knowledge on mankind, and Ancient Astronaut Theorists contend that these beings continue to monitor our daily lives in this clip

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on July 29, 2019, 04:46:47 PM
My personal belief is that these craft are being seen ONLY because 'THEY' want them to be seen.
Who are 'THEY'? Well it certainly isn't the Navy or any other 'official' government agency.
Although the Navy has it's special place in all this as they govern what goes on.
The other agencies are just for show in this en devour of UFO's.

Indeed, finding out who 'They' are, the puppetmasters behind the scene, would be very enlightening and perhaps quite shocking...

QuoteSgt. you're not talking about some other worldly entities?
No not necessarily just them, they have to have a funnel for all these advancements to be eventually shown (or come to light).
It's the behind the scenes outfits that work to channel all this to the public, at their specific speed, i.e. when they think we're ready for it.
Regardless of who's in power or what agency is the flavor of the day.

I do believe there is a very large gap between what the PTB has and what we are allowed to know about; The Rand Corp, JPL,Sandia, Los Alamos, et al, filter what we get to see

QuoteThere was a movie not too long ago, called 'Forgotten'.
Check that out and believe that we let them do what they want, no matter how terrible it might be and help them,because.....'What choice do we have'?

Damage control; by aiding and assisting, it keeps what happens minimized, whereas direct confrontation might lead to a full blown disaster for humanity...

QuoteAnyway that's my opinion.

Rock  8)

8)

Quote from: The Seeker on July 30, 2019, 09:08:37 PM
Indeed, finding out who 'They' are, the puppetmasters behind the scene, would be very enlightening and perhaps quite shocking...
I do believe there is a very large gap between what the PTB has and what we are allowed to know about; The Rand Corp, JPL,Sandia, Los Alamos, et al, filter what we get to see

Damage control; by aiding and assisting, it keeps what happens minimized, whereas direct confrontation might lead to a full blown disaster for humanity...

8)

'They are listening'.....
https://youtu.be/bUFIxPrp3M4

'I Know, I Know'.......
https://youtu.be/ArcjvWTwWXw

I know this is over exaggerated, for movie effects....but .... ::)

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on July 30, 2019, 09:20:27 PM


I know this is over exaggerated, for movie effects....but .... ::)

Mebbe, Mebbe not; still makes one stop to ponder...

8)

Quote from: micjer on July 30, 2019, 05:21:38 PM
This is my belief on many of the ufo sightings that are not man-made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEIPYmiLuTA


According to the Book of Enoch, "The Watchers" came down from heaven to impart knowledge on mankind, and Ancient Astronaut Theorists contend that these beings continue to monitor our daily lives in this clip

Mic, Ingo Swann (RIP) contended that there are millions of off worlders living amongst us every day; Clifford Stone claims there are 57 different alien species that our govt is aware of and/or had contact with;

then there is that group that is convinced that Earth is naught but a farm, and we are cattle...

As for the abundance of material popping up about fusion, let us consider that international treaty(riiigghhttt) prohibits the use of nuclear systems in aircraft; won't surprise me in the least if it is revealed that craft, (such as the 'non-existent' TR3B do exist,) are powered by fusion power plants...

8)  Seeker

QuoteMic, Ingo Swann (RIP) contended that there are millions of off worlders living amongst us every day; Clifford Stone claims there are 57 different alien species that our govt is aware of and/or had contact with;

I agree there would be far more than a single race of aliens visiting. Life is extremely diverse.
The KGB even had a book of alien races.

https://en.calameo.com/read/003261369f3a4ebfdbffb (https://en.calameo.com/read/003261369f3a4ebfdbffb)

It is impossible to determine what the agenda is because each race would have their own agenda. This could be why so many different ufos. Even Bob Lazar said they had different ones.

Scary to think to some we might be food, to others, slaves or puppets here on this planet. Some likely would be trying to help and others trying to kill us off. No less chaotic than world affairs I think.

Just like the movie Jupiter Ascending, which Lou Baldin says is more real than you think, there are races that are predators and those that are protectors.

Rock  8)

Quote from: The Seeker on July 30, 2019, 11:21:22 PM
...let us consider that international treaty(riiigghhttt) prohibits the use of nuclear systems in aircraft;

I'm not aware of that treaty, could you give me more information about it?

Thanks in advance. :)

Quote from: ArMaP on July 31, 2019, 10:05:10 PM
I'm not aware of that treaty, could you give me more information about it?

Thanks in advance. :)

I had to go back and read the The Non-Proliferation Treaty and the Limited Nuclear Test Ban; there is actually a loophole in both that would allow nuclear powered aircraft using HEU; it has been 30-40 years since that was an issue in my personal paradigm, and I mistakenly thought aircraft had been included in the different ban writs of SALT, NNPT, and LNTB Treaties; I do recall that it was an issue of discussion at the time...

Quote from: ArMaP on July 26, 2019, 09:43:15 PM
What new transparency? ???

Exactly.

 My gut tells me there's something out there.  I often have a feeling of being watched. I grew up in a family that was very involved in the military industrial complex. I've experienced things that I  haven't found a rational explanation for. I haven't followed any of the media circus concerning UFO's in years.  I find it to be more baffle them with bullshit, than dazzle them with brilliance.  It was kind of cool in Independence Day, when they had to let the president in on the real story, but I think Ike was the last one to really know and understand. 

Quote from: Shasta56 on August 01, 2019, 08:20:18 AM
My gut tells me there's something out there.  I often have a feeling of being watched. I grew up in a family that was very involved in the military industrial complex. I've experienced things that I  haven't found a rational explanation for.

I had a lot of family members involved in either the military or MIC, plus several jobs myself that followed that path...

QuoteI haven't followed any of the media circus concerning UFO's in years.  I find it to be more baffle them with bullshit, than dazzle them with brilliance.

Unfortunately I have to agree, and lately there is so much bullshit we need a battleship to stay afloat

 

QuoteIt was kind of cool in Independence Day, when they had to let the president in on the real story, but I think Ike was the last one to really know and understand.

Kennedy knew, wanted to tell everyone what he knew, and you see what that got him  8)

George H W Bush also knew, considering he was former head of the CIA, he was the one that told Jimmy Carter that he didn't have a need to know...

There is just too much being put out there right now concerning UFO/UAP/USO, leads me to look more to see what They don't want us to see with all this plethora of distraction...

keep looking

Seeker

The time is coming when they won't be able to keep the information hidden.  There may be Christians who view it as the Trubulation.  We'll know them by the bumper stickers that say, "In case of Rapture, this car will be unmanned.

I have it from a reliable source, a former cabinet member, that HW didn't listen to any advice he didn't like.  Did that influence the direction that would be taken with regard to UFO's? 

Quote from: Shasta56 on August 01, 2019, 07:24:16 PM
I have it from a reliable source, a former cabinet member, that HW didn't listen to any advice he didn't like.  Did that influence the direction that would be taken with regard to UFO's?

Probably not, since GHWB more than likely knew long before he became vice president, much less potus...

Quote from: The Seeker on July 25, 2019, 10:33:51 AM
Current programs being run about space/ufo's/strange occurrences:

https://www.history.com/shows/unidentified-inside-americas-ufo-investigation
Unidentified: Inside America's UFO Investigation

On the Travel Channel:

UFO'S: The lost Evidence

Alien Highway

On the Science Channel:

The Truth behind the Moon landiings

Contact(another series about the Nimitz tic tac)

NASA's Unexplained Files

seems they all want to push the agenda

I was on NASAs Unexplained Files first season and these Cable TV shows don't pay much if anything and their budgets are not what people think. The more and more I look into the TTSA I think its a bunch of garbage. As you stated Seeker the timing of everything going on its all happened so fast. In my opinion is very suspect just like that group of characters in The TTSA. I think its a govt operation for sure an attempt to make one believe that everything people see in the skies that you cant identify is ET. I have drawings of a case in 1967 that myself and Michael Schratt found in a UFO collection from 1967 this past year.

In that drawing is a perfect Tic Tac with the exact same appendages under the craft it was made of metal and had rivets all over the craft. This would not be aliens with that said . This craft was right above the Wycombe Rover in Philadelphia the exact location was about 20 miles away from the Philadelphia Navy Shipyard.  I believe thee Tic Tac craftare Navy and the technology antigravity has been figured out by other countries so this is all just disinformation to throw off others "hey this is aliens not us..." to foreign governments they are stalling for time.

I will post photos of the witness testimony drawings 1967 incident below I cant post any longer in PhotoBucket I need to use the system on here ArMap had emailed me on how to use it I need to transfer all my photos and add a bunch of new photos and info I have to the photo format on here. I was blown away when Schratt emailed me and said look at these when I asked him where he got the case from he said The Gray Barker UFO collection in West VA. I was surprised but jkew the trip had been worth the long drive.

This particular TTSA video called "Go Fast" when I first saw this I knew I had seen it before . It was on 4 names Vidme sight he's involved in all of this as well for sure. George Knapp is financially vested in the company I don't trust anything George Knapp says anyway. 4 Names had made up a couple excuses on why he had that video on his Vimeo I believe could be wrong I know it was another platform not YouTube. The point is if this was some new disclosure by the DOD how and why did he have it on his Vimeo page in 2015 ? And why did he take it down right away ? How did he get Bob Lazar to talk when no one else could get to Bob Lazar wish Gene Huff would talk.. The timing is suspect as I stated before.

Anyway as I mentioned that Go Fast video I had talked to Zorgon in private and had shown him what I thought it was which is an anti ship missile. I don't see this so called alien ship or unknown doing anything that we don't currently have..

"Go Fast" video from TTSA below:

https://youtu.be/wxVRg7LLaQA (https://youtu.be/wxVRg7LLaQA)

Compare the Go Fast video with an Anti Ship Missile I believe that's what we are seeing none of the videos they have shown looks like ET to me and many others.. TTSA keeps making promises they don't keep we are all still waiting to see something.

https://youtu.be/AMowaZ3I90o (https://youtu.be/AMowaZ3I90o)

As I stated in the OP, what are they trying to draw our attention away from? For the most part, all those shows I listed are just more of the dog n pony show/3 ring loon circus that has been Ufology for a very long time

It's still the same old song and dance, treat us all like mushrooms,i.e. keep us in the dark and feed us lots of bullshit...

The Puppetmasters are still pulling everyone's strings to suit their purposes and their agendas whist we bumble around chasing  whatever they decide to dangle in front of us on the edge of the cliff...

  ::) ::) ::)

Seeker

ah Seeker

i said it before.. hiding in plain site

when i buy some goodies  i don't want  hubby to grab first i put them  front and center in the frig..bwhahahahahah
honest he will move stuff around  and shuffle the item  and then turn around and say.. "i can't find ***  where is is?...'
and i laugh at him and say it's right in front of you...
he grumbles and grabs it..hahahahahahah


i think all we need to do is look front and center to see what they are trying to hide


later   cabbages are calling my name   lol

Quote from: space otter on August 04, 2019, 04:29:18 PM
when i buy some goodies  i don't want  hubby to grab first i put them  front and center in the frig..bwhahahahahah
honest he will move stuff around  and shuffle the item  and then turn around and say.. "i can't find ***  where is is?...'
and i laugh at him and say it's right in front of you...
he grumbles and grabs it..hahahahahahah

To do that in an effective way we must know how people react to that specific situation, like you do.

Governments have enough information about the average person to do that in a way that is effective with most people.

Quote from: The Seeker on August 04, 2019, 03:28:19 AM
As I stated in the OP, what are they trying to draw our attention away from? For the most part, all those shows I listed are just more of the dog n pony show/3 ring loon circus that has been Ufology for a very long time

It's still the same old song and dance, treat us all like mushrooms,i.e. keep us in the dark and feed us lots of bullshit...

The Puppetmasters are still pulling everyone's strings to suit their purposes and their agendas whist we bumble around chasing  whatever they decide to dangle in front of us on the edge of the cliff...

  ::) ::) ::)

Seeker

I agree with you Seeker these videos have been scrutinized by experts I have seen videos that look exactly like the craft the allegedly goes on its side. But in actuality depending on the settings you could be looking at a jets exhaust and the camera angle changing that craft is not hovering.

Quote from: bigpappy51 on August 08, 2019, 03:35:46 PM
I agree with you Seeker these videos have been scrutinized by experts I have seen videos that look exactly like the craft the allegedly goes on its side. But in actuality depending on the settings you could be looking at a jets exhaust and the camera angle changing that craft is not hovering.

BP, the part that leaps out at me is that the plane is in infrared mode, yet there is no trace of any heat source or exhaust plume whatsoever...

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Seeker

Quote from: The Seeker on August 13, 2019, 12:44:24 AM
BP, the part that leaps out at me is that the plane is in infrared mode, yet there is no trace of any heat source or exhaust plume whatsoever...

Maybe that's what they were testing. ;)

Quote from: ArMaP on August 13, 2019, 01:09:02 AM
Maybe that's what they were testing. ;)

That is always a possibility, ArMaP, but even so, that doesn't explain the almost instantaneous changes in altitude, which had to generate a tremendous G force load in conventional craft, but if this object is creating its own gravity field, then it doesn't apply...

Quote from: The Seeker on August 13, 2019, 12:44:24 AM
BP, the part that leaps out at me is that the plane is in infrared mode, yet there is no trace of any heat source or exhaust plume whatsoever...

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Seeker

Hey Seeke.
Always a pleasure talking to you my friend sorry it took me a week to get back.

In the "Go Fast" UFO video and same as other videos you will not see the exhaust plume depending on the sittings I can show a number of 747 Boeing Jets that show zero exhaust plum. The findings from the people at Metabunk shocked me they put an amazing amount of time into each case.

I will firstresent the Go fastcraft and as I said before I think its nothing more than an anti ship missile and its not going Aliens Spaceship speeds not even close. Have a look at this video Mick West did and tell me your thoughts ?

https://youtu.be/PLyEO0jNt6M (https://youtu.be/PLyEO0jNt6M)

 The following video known as Gimbal has been used by Bob Lazar fans saying this proves Bob Lazar is correct the craft turns on its side as Bob stated in "Delta Mode" 4Names stuck this video in Bobs face on a YouTube video and Bob said OMG its Delta mode... Only problem is its supposed to disappear after going into Delta mode into another star system which we don't see happen. Again Mick West has put an incredible amount of time on these cases.

I have seen others who explain this away in a similar fashion experts which I am not and do not know anyone who is an expert on what we are seeing. We do however have a very plausible explanation please watch a couple times and this makes total sense on what is actually being seen again I will explain the no exhaust plumes which has to do with settings nothing more.

Please Watch

https://youtu.be/AcsAZTKRv5E (https://youtu.be/AcsAZTKRv5E)

No onto the Nimitz craftwich to me is least impressive espia cry after seeing this explanation. At 3:28 we can see a 767 with an IR camera and see npo exhaust plumes at all it looks just like a flying saucer and its a trick nothing more which is created by the IR and what it sees. I think all 3 of these cases have been totally debunked the question is why is the TTSA doing this ? Well look at the players who do you trust from that group ?

I sure do not trust George Knapp he acts like he's an impartial newsman who is just looking for the truth. Hardly George is vested in the TTSA which looks like failing company. Luis Elizondo.. the guys counterintelligence for goodness sakes and lied about when he left this so called AATIP group . The DOD has said he never ran AATIP then the document they were busted faking which KNapp took down from his site quickly which is posted on here somewhere I remember the night sent it to Zorgon.

If the Tic Tac craft are real they were built in a Naval Shipyard in Philadelphia in the 1960s and I have a case from 1967 with an excellent drawing the craft had rivets Idount ET will come here using a craft held together by rivets. This craft has the same shape same "L" shaped appendages was blown away when I saw this back in February. I am going to take minute and figure out how to use the picture photos option here on the forum because my Photobucket has been seized. Someone doesn't like some of the photos I have been showing on there and Photobucket has actually removed some of them citing they violate terms of service every picture is detrimental to Bob Lazars story which I found interesting.

Please Watch Nimitz Explanation

https://youtu.be/s1oTg0kxzDs

Gimbal UFO: New Footage Proves Glare Rotation This guys fantastic he saves me so much time. I don't have time to look into all of this !!

https://youtu.be/4Btns91W5J8 (https://youtu.be/4Btns91W5J8)

Thanks for those videos, bigpappy51, their explanations appear to explain very likely what really happened.  :)

PS: yes, I watched the videos this time. Sometimes I do watch videos.  ;D

Quote from: ArMaP on August 15, 2019, 12:08:26 PM
Thanks for those videos, bigpappy51, their explanations appear to explain very likely what really happened.  :)

PS: yes, I watched the videos this time. Sometimes I do watch videos.  ;D

Oh damn, now I am in shock  :o

Very good material, BP; but it still doesn't garner any more insight as to why we are being slammed with all this new bullshit or what they are trying to turn our attention away from;

ok, so the govts are admitting that there are unidentified craft zipping around in our skies; last time I looked, we already knew that  ::) that just makes me think they are trying to hide something else, just another distraction for joe sixpack...

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Seeker

i'm sure you've heard this  saying before

if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance
baffle  them with bullshit

Quote from: space otter on August 15, 2019, 09:57:32 PM

i'm sure you've heard this  saying before

if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance
baffle  them with bullshit

That appears to have been the catch phrase and standard now for many years,otter, and in most all walks of life...

To quote a line from a movie "How long, can this bullshit, go on?"

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Seeker

I think they are stalling for time the technology is at the point where other countries are catching us. And its a game at this point stall as long as you can till you must admit what you got... Just a thought guys like Seeker said all this at once its crazy. And Area-51 everyone is so obsessed with the base and the attention it could just be a shell game at this point keep everyones eye on that base while everything goes on elsewhere?

I'm just glad we can all talk on here its a great place to be for sure I get so sick of FaceBook OMGOSH !! There is so much garbage out there as you all know its unreal !! Flat Earthers have really muddied the waters as well that's another crazy phenomenon.

Quote from: bigpappy51 on August 16, 2019, 01:57:35 AM
I think they are stalling for time the technology is at the point where other countries are catching us. And its a game at this point stall as long as you can till you must admit what you got... Just a thought guys

I believe that one of the reasons they are admitting ufo's are real is to have a diversion so they don't have to admit yet that they do have highly advanced unknown tech in service and most of the sightings are of our secret craft.

Quotelike Seeker said all this at once its crazy. And Area-51 everyone is so obsessed with the base and the attention it could just be a shell game at this point keep everyones eye on that base while everything goes on elsewhere?

Area 51 is too public now, but there is still very little notice given to places like Dugway Proving grounds, Kwajalein Atoll, Pinegap and several other facilities...

QuoteI'm just glad we can all talk on here its a great place to be for sure I get so sick of FaceBook OMGOSH !! There is so much garbage out there as you all know its unreal !! Flat Earthers have really muddied the waters as well that's another crazy phenomenon.

FaceBook is a festering cesspool of chaotic idiocy populated by the mentally challenged or totally stupid, not to mention a plethora of people that are just full of shit.

As for the flatearthers, considering that is one of the tenements of Islam, it really does make one wonder how anyone can have their head that far up their ass and still breathe...

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Seeker

Quote from: The Seeker on August 16, 2019, 03:37:21 PM
As for the flatearthers, considering that is one of the tenements of Islam, it really does make one wonder how anyone can have their head that far up their ass and still breathe...

It's not a "tenement" or even a "tenet".  :)

Quote from: ArMaP on August 16, 2019, 10:10:37 PM
It's not a "tenement" or even a "tenet".  :)

Whatever it is ArMaP, the Muslims I know say it is one of the things that is accepted by some, that the earth is flat and we infidels are bozos  ::)

If the earth were flat, cats would have knocked everything off by now.

The Earth is flat, but in multiple planes around 360 degrees.
Kevin

Quote from: The Seeker on August 17, 2019, 02:02:43 AM
Whatever it is ArMaP, the Muslims I know say it is one of the things that is accepted by some, that the earth is flat and we infidels are bozos  ::)

"Accepted by some" shows that it's not a basic belief, just an opinion of "some". :)

Some people may find baseball the best game in the world, but that doesn't mean that all people think that. ;)

Quote from: ArMaP on August 17, 2019, 10:59:05 AM
"Accepted by some" shows that it's not a basic belief, just an opinion of "some". :)

Some people may find baseball the best game in the world, but that doesn't mean that all people think that. ;)

All well and true ArMaP, but the subject at hand is not Islam, flat earthers, cats, or is it dangerous to chew bubble gum and roller skate, but rather why the sudden extra programs on the unidentified phenomena are becoming so numerous  :P

Quote from: The Seeker on August 17, 2019, 09:41:01 PM
All well and true ArMaP, but the subject at hand is not Islam, flat earthers, cats, or is it dangerous to chew bubble gum and roller skate, but rather why the sudden extra programs on the unidentified phenomena are becoming so numerous  :P

Sorry for being against false information.  :P

Quote from: ArMaP on August 17, 2019, 09:58:45 PM
Sorry for being against false information.  :P

            :P ::) 8)

Okay.  Mind control by non-terrestrials has been posited by some.  If one views that argument as plausible, the uptick in UFO related media could be a low level attempt at letting us know they're out there.  It's also possible that UFO related media is the "flavor of the month."  I think it's more plausible that generations younger than a lot of us have grown up with the idea that we're not alone in the multiverse.  They have grown up with technology that we saw on The Jetsons and Star Trek.  I think, for a lot of them, non-terestrials are just neighbors we haven't met yet.

Quote from: thorfourwinds on August 19, 2019, 08:46:18 PM

Is that one of our ads?

What are you talking about? ???

Quote from: ArMaP on August 19, 2019, 08:55:51 PM
What are you talking about? ???

Yeah, Thor, give us a clue??? What ad???

Quote from: Shasta56 on August 19, 2019, 04:03:47 AM
Okay.  Mind control by non-terrestrials has been posited by some.  If one views that argument as plausible, the uptick in UFO related media could be a low level attempt at letting us know they're out there.

That is a possibility,Shasta, but it would be easier to just come forward and say that we aren't alone, don't you think?

 

QuoteIt's also possible that UFO related media is the "flavor of the month."

Too much effort being put into it for it to be a flash in the pan; more likely the long run of shows like ancient aliens has finally got the point across that people are interested and looking for answers

 

QuoteI think it's more plausible that generations younger than a lot of us have grown up with the idea that we're not alone in the multiverse.  They have grown up with technology that we saw on The Jetsons and Star Trek.  I think, for a lot of them, non-terestrials are just neighbors we haven't met yet.

Television, movies, and video games have programmed everyone for the last 50 years to think of alien races and animals as being part of their everyday norm...

we shall see

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Seeker

Quote from: The Seeker on August 20, 2019, 03:10:08 AM
Too much effort being put into it for it to be a flash in the pan; more likely the long run of shows like ancient aliens has finally got the point across that people are interested and looking for answers

And that's what media companies are looking for, a market, so they can get more money.

11 years ago I posted on YouTube a video of the "tether incident", when the tether holding the tethered satellite launched by STS-75 broke and started coiling back to its original shape. I received a copyright notice from someone that represented a media company saying that I got the footage from their DVD. They didn't want me to remove the video, they wanted to receive money from my posting of the video. When I told them I didn't know the names of the two companies involved (UFO Global Media LLC and Paranormal Media LLC) they told me they own many productions and that their principals were a "former president of CBS, president of Sony and CEO of PAxton" and a known producer.

That showed me that companies that we think are small and independent are really associated with the big media companies

Quote from: ArMaP on August 20, 2019, 09:25:37 PM
And that's what media companies are looking for, a market, so they can get more money.

Yes, they want to milk that cash cow for every drop they can squeeze  8)

Something is shaking around all this new interest and the new programs being aired; Contact and Alien Highway are actually fairly interesting, but I still have to contemplate why all these new shows are appearing now...

Perhaps they think that now is the time to move things a step forward in the public eye...

8)

Seeker

Thor, I hate to tell you this, but those meta ads you just posted all those screen caps of do not show when I read those posts; to the best of my knowledge, there are no meta ads in any of my posts, signature line, etc.; I didn't place any anywhere on the forum, and I am not aware of anyone else doing so

That "Ads by MapsTreck" text on the ads says it all. :)

Searching for that text shows that it's adware that got installed on your computer.

Quote from: ArMaP on August 31, 2019, 06:43:42 PM
That "Ads by MapsTreck" text on the ads says it all. :)

Searching for that text shows that it's adware that got installed on your computer.

Very good, ArMaP; any suggestions for an easy fix to eliminate this adware? And is there any chance that this adware/malware can infiltrate the forum? Any precautionary measures we need to take?

Quote from: ArMaP on August 20, 2019, 09:25:37 PM
And that's what media companies are looking for, a market, so they can get more money.

11 years ago I posted on YouTube a video of the "tether incident", when the tether holding the tethered satellite launched by STS-75 broke and started coiling back to its original shape. I received a copyright notice from someone that represented a media company saying that I got the footage from their DVD. They didn't want me to remove the video, they wanted to receive money from my posting of the video. When I told them I didn't know the names of the two companies involved (UFO Global Media LLC and Paranormal Media LLC) they told me they own many productions and that their principals were a "former president of CBS, president of Sony and CEO of PAxton" and a known producer.

That showed me that companies that we think are small and independent are really associated with the big media companies

That's NASA footage. The owners are the citizens of the United States.

Post whatever you want.

TY ArMaP:
Can I get rid of it?

Quote from: The Seeker on September 01, 2019, 03:18:32 AM
Very good, ArMaP; any suggestions for an easy fix to eliminate this adware?

Here (https://malwaretips.com/blogs/remove-mapstrek/) are some instructions on how to remove it.

QuoteAnd is there any chance that this adware/malware can infiltrate the forum? Any precautionary measures we need to take?

I don't think it can affect the forum, as it's something that is installed on the user's computer to intercept the browser's displaying of web pages, so it can inject the ads. It's not made to run on a server.

Quote from: Irene on September 01, 2019, 04:09:19 AM
That's NASA footage. The owners are the citizens of the United States.

Exactly, but they were saying that they used that footage on a DVD and that I got the footage from there. If that was the case then I couldn't use the video, as I would be using copyrighted material. Copyright laws are a little confusing, but I think that, although NASA footage (or any other work created by the US government or related organisations) is in the public domain, any work done that uses it has its own copyright, so if the creators do not want to put in the public domain they can.

QuotePost whatever you want.

The question was never if I could post it or not, they wanted to put adverts along with my post so they could get money from it. I sent the link from where I got the video to YouTube to show them where I got the video from, and, as far as I know, they didn't get the chance to get money from my post. :)

Quote from: ArMaP on September 01, 2019, 04:31:43 PM
Exactly, but they were saying that they used that footage on a DVD and that I got the footage from there. If that was the case then I couldn't use the video, as I would be using copyrighted material. Copyright laws are a little confusing, but I think that, although NASA footage (or any other work created by the US government or related organisations) is in the public domain, any work done that uses it has its own copyright, so if the creators do not want to put in the public domain they can.
The question was never if I could post it or not, they wanted to put adverts along with my post so they could get money from it. I sent the link from where I got the video to YouTube to show them where I got the video from, and, as far as I know, they didn't get the chance to get money from my post. :)

Now that is refreshing ArMaP; beat them at their own game and be able to laugh at them about it  8)

Gold.  :P

Quote from: The Seeker on August 31, 2019, 03:56:59 AM
Thor, I hate to tell you this, but those meta ads you just posted all those screen caps of do not show when I read those posts; to the best of my knowledge, there are no meta ads in any of my posts, signature line, etc.; I didn't place any anywhere on the forum, and I am not aware of anyone else doing so

I just checked myself as well I don't have those ads either. Must Be something on Thorfourwinds PC or Phone adware as ArMap stated.

Greetings:

Found the rascal and removed it.

BTW, should I revive the rate card, update it, and pursue ad revenue?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3779.msg132768#msg132768
Re: PRCLLC RATE CARD ONE- b - DRAFT ONLY!

I have an offer in writing from Ron of 50% of what I bring through the door, as I will be covering any expenses involved in landing the big fish [display ads].

And is the site being 'run' by Admins [and Kat], and who might be the fearless 'leader'?

What is the legal name on the bank account so I can get the advertising revenue checks right?

What can I do to help?

Be aware, we leave for Dorian/Florida on Wednesday or Thursday. We have reservations at the Baymont Inn, Chocowinity, NC, starting on Thursday, so I might have computer access.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/lg50aa500a.gif)
With great respect
thorfourwinds/rabunopsec
Peace Love Light

Quote from: karl 12 on July 29, 2019, 12:19:18 PM
Good question mate and there definitely seems to be an concerted agenda in play (whether it's active misdirection, plausible deniability or just saturation of search engine results) - I did see this vid a few weeks ago and call me cynical but I do hope the endgame to all this engineered hype isn't just going to be 'hypersonic tech',

That's what Kaku seems to be selling..

But then, how you explain the tic tacs were traveling at at least 104,895 mph and at most 281,520 mph during peak velocity? They were accelerating at 12,250 to 12,823 g-forces at maximum constant acceleration. Thats way above hypersonic is not it? Document Bellow:

The authors summarize that "We have no reasonable explanation for the accelerations demonstrated by the object."

A Forensic Analysis of Navy Carrier Strike Group Eleven's Encounter with an Anomalous Aerial Vehicle:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WgURI1Fzrkij3utVvcPISGTyEUNX4Z0J/view
https://www.explorescu.org/

Is not 12000 Gs acceleration plenty enough for Interstellar travel?

Quote from: RUSSO on October 02, 2019, 01:54:15 PM
But then, how you explain the tic tacs were traveling at at least 104,895 mph and at most 281,520 mph during peak velocity? They were accelerating at 12,250 to 12,823 g-forces at maximum constant acceleration.

With those speeds and acceleration how could they keep the camera on them?

Quote from: ArMaP on October 03, 2019, 12:22:15 AM
With those speeds and acceleration how could they keep the camera on them?

I dont think they could. I think its based on the performance Characteristics Based on Statements from Radar Witnesses, pilots and IR cameras. You can find it at page 16. There is 270 pages including the math of how they came to this conclusion there.

Quote3 Analysis
3.1 Performance Characteristics Based on Statements from Radar Witnesses

Petty Officer Jason
Turner, USS Princeton
Cruise Book, 2003

15

SCU Manuscript

Speed, acceleration, and power characteristics can be calculated based on statements
from two navy personnel who observed the radar tracks of the "Tic-Tacs" in real time. The
Senior Chief in charge of radar took notes while observing the radar in the CIC area, and noted
that his equipment indicated that the object moved from 80,000+ feet to 20,000 feet in 0.78
second. A second man, the Petty Officer stationed in the same room at the same time as the
Senior Chief, characterized the erratic movements of the objects from stationary at 80,000 feet to
stationary at 20,000 feet on radar as "as fast as a thought." Calculations based on these
observations, 60,000 vertical feet in 0.78 second and an initial and final velocity of zero, and
assuming a constant acceleration (linear velocity) changing to a deceleration midway, yield a
maximum velocity of 104,895 mph at the midway point, and an acceleration of 12,250 g-forces
(see Appendix G). If one of the navy's jets of a similar size (F/A-18F at 18 tons) accelerated at
this rate, it would need 90 gigawatts of power.
These numbers are nonsensical to any known aircraft; one would expect to see a fireball
due to air friction at those speeds and one would not anticipate any known aircraft to remain
structurally intact with such large g-forces. We examine these characteristics from a second and
third set of data to compare with the above results. This is done in Sections 3.2 and 3.3
3.2 Performance Characteristics Based on Statements from Pilots
Two experienced Navy pilots in separate jets were vectored by the USS Princeton to the
location of one of the objects mentioned in the previous paragraph. Upon arriving at the
coordinates provided by the Princeton they simultaneously viewed the object from separate
altitudes and angles. During the engagement with the "Tic-Tac," it accelerated from stationary to
"out of sight" within one second according to one pilot, and "like a bullet shot from a rifle"
according to the other pilot. Both pilots estimated the length of the "Tic-Tac" to be 40-60 feet
along its major axis, and about 15 feet along its minor axis. The limit of a human's visual acuity
is one arc minute, and can be used to calculate a distance at which an object is no longer
resolvable. In a transparent medium, a 60 foot diameter object will reach the limit of human
perception at 39.1 miles. Using a time to disappearance of one second results in a peak velocity
of 281,520 mph and a maximum constant acceleration equivalent to 12,823 g-forces. Taking the
lower bounds by using a 15 foot diameter object, the limit of human perception is 9.8 miles.
Using a longer time to disappearance of two seconds results in a peak velocity of 35,280 mph
and a minimum constant acceleration equivalent to 803 g-forces. Appendix I contains tables that
show the calculated g-force based on various sizes of the object, time frames, and levels of visual
acuity.
The resulting speed and acceleration derived from the pilots' testimony is consistent with
that derived from the ship-board radar operators' reports.
3.3 Performance Characteristics Based on an IR Video
A third method to measure the performance characteristics of the "Tic-Tac" is to use
information in the IR video itself. There is sufficient information to determine the g-forces
generated depending on the size and distance of the object. The specific portion of the video
analyzed is when the object appears to move rapidly to the left at the end of the video. Once the
F/A-18's video system has locked onto a target, that target normally remains in the center of the

16

SCU Manuscript

video frame.29 A Canadian Air Force serviceman, with thousands of hours using the ASQ-228,
stated to one of the authors of this report that only once did he experience the system losing lock
and that was when they had the system in a vehicle and hit a jarring bump in the road. He stated
that the breaking of the servo lock on an object in the video is most unusual. He further indicated
that he used the ASQ-228 to video missile launches and never once did it lose lock during the
high acceleration of a missile launch.
The only other aircraft in the area of operation were other F/A-18s and an E2 Hawkeye
early warning radar aircraft. This is based on statements from the pilots who indicated that a
Carrier Strike Group exercise has complete control of its airspace and no other aircraft are
allowed into the area. It is very unlikely that the object in the video is an aircraft from outside
CSG 11 for this reason; however, there is always the possibility that the plane taking the video
took a video of another F/A-18 and this possibility is examined in detail in Appendix J. That
appendix also shows calculations that determine the distance that an F/A-18 would be from the
camera in order to create an image of the same size as seen in the video. The distance calculated
is 17 to 22 miles away. Based on statements from CDR Fravor and a Canadian Air Force user,
both with extensive use of the ASQ-228, the wings and outline of an F/A-18 should have been
visible on a clear day at that distance. Furthermore, the resulting g-forces calculated are 40 times
earth's gravity which is well beyond the capability of an F/A-18 or the ability of a pilot to
survive such an acceleration.
The work done in Appendix J shows that the identity of the "Tic-Tac" based on its size,
estimated distance and lack of aerodynamic details in the ATFLIR image, and by calculating its
average velocity and acceleration, along with the power requirements to perform these
maneuvers—it is well beyond the capabilities of any technology in the public domain.
Additional work from another author-analyst is shown in Appendix K. The acceleration
values are calculated by a different method than in Appendix J but the results are similar.
Appendix K also looks at the acceleration rates of an earlier portion of the video that shows
movement across only three video frames.

Quote from: RUSSO on October 03, 2019, 12:45:37 AM
I dont think they could.

Then how does the camera follows them?

Quote from: ArMaP on October 03, 2019, 02:05:30 AM
Then how does the camera follows them?

Computer.

Quote from: ArMaP on October 03, 2019, 02:05:30 AM
Then how does the camera follows them?

I dont think they could get it at their max speed if not lucky to get the exact frame and it would be only one frame. But when they were hovering or at low speed, adding all the data from radar, ir and pilots for example, "measuring acceleration rates of an earlier portion of the video that shows movement across only three video frames".

Can you contest the math on the document ArMaP? Are you implying the videos are fake or tampered? What is you take on this?

Quote from: Irene on October 03, 2019, 02:07:00 AM

Computer.

;)

Quote from: Irene on October 03, 2019, 02:07:00 AM

Computer.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by that. ???

Quote from: RUSSO on October 03, 2019, 02:21:16 AM
Can you contest the math on the document ArMaP?

Most likely not, I didn't look at it.

QuoteAre you implying the videos are fake or tampered? What is you take on this?

I'm not implying any thing, what I mean is that they are talking about something that does not happen in the videos, so how can we know they are talking about the same thing?

I don't think the videos are fake, I just think we aren't getting the whole story.

For example, all those speed, acceleration and energy calculations are useless if we are talking about something that was not an object with mass, something like a hologram or a projection accompanied by something to create a radar signal.

My experiences have implied that extraterrestrials do exist, but that they generally aren't corporeal, or physically solid in the usual sense.  I believe in the frequency model which New Agers have talked about; radio is the analogy for it.  We see beings on different channels or frequencies as either transparent, non-solid, or simply not there at all, and they probably see us the same way.

I think there is a bias in the design of the universe, against us having definite certainty about the existence of extraterrestrials.  The default state of the universe is compartmentalised; different creatures are located in different domains, (interdimensionally speaking) and that is so that a universe of human beings does not become intermixed with a universe of giant spiders (or worse things) for example.

Are UFO sightings being staged in order to distract us from something?

I doubt it, quite honestly; simply because if they want to distract us, there are plenty of simpler and less outlandish ways to do it.  Terrorist attacks or mass shootings are two ways, which have been used a lot; but they can also just bring out some new TV show on Netflix, or some new computer game.  That will just as easily do it.

I think it has to be difficult to stage a UFO sighting, and really make it seem authentic and convincing, with our current level of technology.  Four or five decades ago maybe, sure.  But now, if you give me a piece of footage of something which is a few minutes long, then I can zoom in with almost microscopic detail, and use AI to reconstruct it, and immediately figure out what it is that I'm seeing, and how the hoax is being made.

So again; I think if they want to distract us, there are easier and better ways.

Quote from: ArMaP on October 03, 2019, 09:07:24 PM
Most likely not, I didn't look at it.
I'm not implying any thing, what I mean is that they are talking about something that does not happen in the videos, so how can we know they are talking about the same thing?

I don't think the videos are fake, I just think we aren't getting the whole story.

For example, all those speed, acceleration and energy calculations are useless if we are talking about something that was not an object with mass, something like a hologram or a projection accompanied by something to create a radar signal.

We probably not getting the whole story, as we know the whole story goes way deeper than just those 3 videos that were "leaked". For how long the government is studying the phenomenon? At least for 70 years imo. So they have way more data about it.

You may be right, it could be something else but when you listen to Commander Fravor and other people involved in this, the options of what that could be starts to get less "humankind made" and more "alien" in the sense  that similar uap have been around for a while, to me means that even if the tic tac was human made, it just means it was already reverse engineered from non human origin.

I will post the Cmdr. David Fravor interview here too cause it seems to fit better the thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco2s3-0zsQ

Quote from: petrus4 on October 05, 2019, 09:55:33 PM
My experiences have implied that extraterrestrials do exist, but that they generally aren't corporeal, or physically solid in the usual sense.  I believe in the frequency model which New Agers have talked about; radio is the analogy for it.  We see beings on different channels or frequencies as either transparent, non-solid, or simply not there at all, and they probably see us the same way.

As Jacques Vallee says:

"We are dealing with a yet unrecognized level of consciousness, independent of man but closely linked to the earth.... I do not believe anymore that UFOs are simply the spacecraft of some race of extraterrestrial visitors. This notion is too simplistic to explain their appearance, the frequency of their manifestations through recorded history, and the structure of the information exchanged with them during contact."

We also see some evidence of it when we look into skinwalker ranch case. I tend to believe it may be both. There is ETI and EDI. Afterall its my opinion we are in a simulation and once you see in this way, you learn everything is possible.

What are your experiences? Is there data here on Pegasus?

Quote
I think there is a bias in the design of the universe, against us having definite certainty about the existence of extraterrestrials.  The default state of the universe is compartmentalised; different creatures are located in different domains, (interdimensionally speaking) and that is so that a universe of human beings does not become intermixed with a universe of giant spiders (or worse things) for example.

You think it is possible we can intermix with a different dimensions or parallel realities?

Quote

Are UFO sightings being staged in order to distract us from something?

I doubt it, quite honestly; simply because if they want to distract us, there are plenty of simpler and less outlandish ways to do it.  Terrorist attacks or mass shootings are two ways, which have been used a lot; but they can also just bring out some new TV show on Netflix, or some new computer game.  That will just as easily do it.

I think it has to be difficult to stage a UFO sighting, and really make it seem authentic and convincing, with our current level of technology.  Four or five decades ago maybe, sure.  But now, if you give me a piece of footage of something which is a few minutes long, then I can zoom in with almost microscopic detail, and use AI to reconstruct it, and immediately figure out what it is that I'm seeing, and how the hoax is being made.

So again; I think if they want to distract us, there are easier and better ways.

I agree with you. People's attention span nowadays is ridiculous.

Quote from: RUSSO on October 06, 2019, 01:45:28 PM
You may be right, it could be something else but when you listen to Commander Fravor and other people involved in this, the options of what that could be starts to get less "humankind made" and more "alien" in the sense  that similar uap have been around for a while, to me means that even if the tic tac was human made, it just means it was already reverse engineered from non human origin.

How can we know that he is not following orders and saying what they told him to say?

That's why I prefer tangible data. :)

I gave this video it's own discussion thread but it does belong here also...

https://youtu.be/Ud7cE6FozPo

Quote from: The Seeker on November 24, 2019, 09:56:48 AM
I gave this video it's own discussion thread but it does belong here also...

https://youtu.be/Ud7cE6FozPo

I talked with an engineer (elctro-mechanical) about things of this sort who worked for a large corporation involved in things like this, and he said, "what you see present dau, take that  50 to 75 years into the future for the black projects.  He did not specifically elaborate.  I believe that some of these things are of our own making.  Looking back at some of the grainy pictures of objects, I saw some F-117's and even a B-2 flying wing.  Remote control of aircraft was being experimented with back in the 80's.  (From the same engineer).  Having been in air defense for a number of years, I use to teach aircraft recognition to air defense soldiers.  Of course, I do have an open mind just like Trump and will not disregard any hard evidence.

Quote from: spacemaverick on November 25, 2019, 04:26:01 PM
Remote control of aircraft was being experimented with back in the 80's.

Remote control of aircraft was being experimented before WWII.

Quote from: ArMaP on November 25, 2019, 09:11:08 PM
Remote control of aircraft was being experimented before WWII.

You are correct, my bad.

Quote from: spacemaverick on November 25, 2019, 04:26:01 PM
I talked with an engineer (elctro-mechanical) about things of this sort who worked for a large corporation involved in things like this, and he said, "what you see present dau, take that  50 to 75 years into the future for the black projects.  He did not specifically elaborate.  I believe that some of these things are of our own making.  Looking back at some of the grainy pictures of objects, I saw some F-117's and even a B-2 flying wing.  Remote control of aircraft was being experimented with back in the 80's.  (From the same engineer).  Having been in air defense for a number of years, I use to teach aircraft recognition to air defense soldiers.  Of course, I do have an open mind just like Trump and will not disregard any hard evidence.

At Cripple River, Alaska(12 miles north of Nome), in 2005, I had an interesting conversation with a gentleman I met at the camp, stemming from watching the B-52's flying over from Elmendorf; he was a Colonel retiring from the Air Force after 30+ years active service...

He stated that anything being shown in the public eye being developed for the military was already obsolete, that the tech gap then was 40+ years between what we were shown vs what they actually had in service; The F-117 had been in mothballs for ten years before being used by GHW Bush, so that was 1980 technology...

Keep digging ,Mav  8)

Seeker

As 2019 is drawing to a close, we are again being besieged by new programs on ufology, new episodes of the unexplained files, The white house ufo files, all re-hashing events from the past...

I am no different than most, for I have had sightings of strange craft that lead me down this path, one in particular 41 years ago this month, up close and personal (along with 2 others with me at the time) that has driven me to seek answers to this phenomena...

Are there strange craft and objects in our skies, being seen and reported on a regular basis? My answer is yes; are they craft from other than terrestrial origins? That remains to be seen, but I have my doubts that many of these craft are hidden black project creations... It would be very difficult to keep a craft as large as the one I witnessed hidden away from the public for all these years

8)

Seeker

It is such a frustrating thing to prove.  I have seen things also, but no tangible proof. I just know what i saw.
Even if one has video footage, the skeptics are so quick to shout FAKE, that it throws cold water on it.

Paid trolls like James Oberg have spent a lifetime debunking.

https://www.sciencealert.com/ufo-nasa-iss-sighting-debunked-fireballs-video-james-oberg-not-aliens


Can he debunk the paintings done hundreds of years ago showing ufo's in them.

Not sure why he is so closed minded to even the possibility of it more than "space dandruff".  (his words)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7tlUS6bx04&feature=emb_logo

Quote from: micjer on December 18, 2019, 01:55:43 PM
It is such a frustrating thing to prove.  I have seen things also, but no tangible proof. I just know what i saw.
Even if one has video footage, the skeptics are so quick to shout FAKE, that it throws cold water on it.

Yeah, it's frustrating, Mic, but I tend to lump most of the hard core debunkers in with the flat-earthers 8) there are very few real skeptics out there, most are paid shills or just plain stupid

QuotePaid trolls like James Oberg have spent a lifetime debunking.

Oberg is doing what he is paid to do; he is still a member here, send him a pm and see if he will return so you can question him direct  8)

Quotehttps://www.sciencealert.com/ufo-nasa-iss-sighting-debunked-fireballs-video-james-oberg-not-aliens


Can he debunk the paintings done hundreds of years ago showing ufo's in them.

Not sure why he is so closed minded to even the possibility of it more than "space dandruff".  (his words)

He is no different than a loud mouthed debunker called IgnoreTheFacts that ran rampant on Aspookz years ago; but ITF admitted in private that he was indeed being an encouraged troll and knew a lot more than he would ever admit  ::)

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31445/recently-retired-usaf-general-makes-eyebrow-raising-claims-about-advanced-space-technology (https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31445/recently-retired-usaf-general-makes-eyebrow-raising-claims-about-advanced-space-technology)

Read this article and pay attention to what was done to this 3-star general for speaking out;

"Lt. Gen. Kwast most recently served as Commander of the Air Education and Training Command (AETC) at Joint Base San Antonio (JBSA), but retired in August. According to some reports, Kwast was prematurely relieved of his duties at JBSA and blacklisted for promotion after speaking out on space-related issues despite a service-wide gag order. Kwast declined to comment on the reports and retired on September 1, 2019."

Oberg is just covering his own ass

8)

Seeker

Quote from: micjer on December 18, 2019, 01:55:43 PM
It is such a frustrating thing to prove.  I have seen things also, but no tangible proof. I just know what i saw.
Even if one has video footage, the skeptics are so quick to shout FAKE, that it throws cold water on it.

Sceptics only want evidences, those that are quick to shout fake are deniers. :)

QuotePaid trolls like James Oberg have spent a lifetime debunking.

Or they just have a different opinion.

QuoteCan he debunk the paintings done hundreds of years ago showing ufo's in them.

No need for that, almost all of the paintings that show "UFOs" represent other things that the UFO believers want to be UFOs. :)

QuoteNot sure why he is so closed minded to even the possibility of it more than "space dandruff".  (his words)

If you know something on a video is a specific thing would you be open minded enough to accept that it could be a completely different thing?

A believer may be as close minded as a denier, one wants things to be like he wants and the other acts exactly in the same way, they just want opposite things. :)

Good point.  Like an atheist having a debate with a Priest.

Quote from: micjer on December 19, 2019, 10:38:03 PM
Good point.  Like an atheist having a debate with a Priest.

Things can get complicated quickly when dealing with people in general; I just want answers to my questions about what I have seen.

8)

Quote from: The Seeker on December 23, 2019, 01:58:54 PM
Things can get complicated quickly when dealing with people in general; I just want answers to my questions about what I have seen.

And that's where the problem starts, unless what you have seen knows you saw it, only you know what you have seen.

Quote from: ArMaP on December 24, 2019, 11:42:44 AM
And that's where the problem starts, unless what you have seen knows you saw it, only you know what you have seen.

Perhaps; The event that sent me past the point of no return was witnessed by myself and two others with me at the time; considering it was a black triangular craft hundreds of feet in length that passed directly over our heads, I cannot say if any on board knew we saw them or saw us looking at them, but we definitely saw it...

Seeker

Now we are approaching the end of January,2020, and the UFO media blitz continues with more new shows and debates over non-verifiable documents such as the SOM-101, purportedly to be the "official" military manual for dealing with crashed craft recovery and alien biological entities

even going into great detail about events such as the Kingman Arizona incident( where a recovered craft was purportedly transported by barge across the Colorado River upstream from Hoover dam, broke loose, and collided with the dam structure, all at night) to the Aurora event in 1897 and how the SOM-101 protocols were used to scrub and cover the event's history in the 70's...

Someone pass the popcorn...

::)

Seeker

Quote from: spacemaverick on November 25, 2019, 04:26:01 PM
I talked with an engineer (elctro-mechanical) about things of this sort who worked for a large corporation involved in things like this, and he said, "what you see present dau, take that  50 to 75 years into the future for the black projects.

I could very easily believe that there are underground places where governments or whoever else, have technology that is at least five decades ahead of our own.  I truthfully don't consider that idea to be very sensational or paranoid at all; I take it as more or less a given.  If you look at how strange the B2 bomber looked compared to conventional aircraft, or the SR-71 Blackbird even, the evidence is right there that they have some things which are very advanced compared to what is commonly known about.

As long as governments were not going to use it to oppress people, then I wouldn't even have a problem with them having secret (or at least private) technological research programs.  What someone wants to do in their basement is their own business, as far as I am concerned.

I agree.....

Quote from: petrus4 on February 18, 2020, 07:10:28 AM
I could very easily believe that there are underground places where governments or whoever else, have technology that is at least five decades ahead of our own.  I truthfully don't consider that idea to be very sensational or paranoid at all; I take it as more or less a given.  If you look at how strange the B2 bomber looked compared to conventional aircraft, or the SR-71 Blackbird even, the evidence is right there that they have some things which are very advanced compared to what is commonly known about.

As long as governments were not going to use it to oppress people, then I wouldn't even have a problem with them having secret (or at least private) technological research programs.  What someone wants to do in their basement is their own business, as far as I am concerned.

Petrus, 98% of the Black Projects are out side of government in compartmentalized facilities in the private sector; this removes them from congressional and any type of governmental oversight...

Ben Rich, retired Head of Lockheed's famous Skunkworks, told us 30 years ago that we had the technology then to take E.T. home...

8)

Quote from: The Seeker on February 24, 2020, 12:41:24 PM
Petrus, 98% of the Black Projects are out side of government in compartmentalized facilities in the private sector; this removes them from congressional and any type of governmental oversight...

Ben Rich, retired Head of Lockheed's famous Skunkworks, told us 30 years ago that we had the technology then to take E.T. home...

8)

I had a friend (now deceased) that worked for Harris Corporation, (Now L3Harris).  He told me that what you see during the present, advance anywhere from 50 to 75 years in the black projects...that's how far things have advanced.

Here also is a little tidbit of information...my grandson is a nuclear engineer.  He told me how other countries obtain the same technology that we have.  We might be enemies of a country out in the open but there is cooperation among academia elite (not lower level people) trading technology advances.

I don't believe that "50 years in advance" thing. When did they started having an advance over common technology? Why is their rate of evolution faster than the normal rate of evolution?

I see that like something people say to make other people think "oooh, they are so smart, I must believe all they say".

I'm not convinced. :)

Quote from: kevin on August 17, 2019, 09:03:10 AM
The Earth is flat, but in multiple planes around 360 degrees.
Kevin

Hi Kevin,

I'm new here, just browsing through the posts on the forum and found this topic. What leads you to believe the earth is flat? All the scientific evidence points to a spherical earth, even Tesla believed it was a sphere.

Quote from: Galahad on September 09, 2021, 06:08:22 PM
Hi Kevin,

I'm new here, just browsing through the posts on the forum and found this topic. What leads you to believe the earth is flat? All the scientific evidence points to a spherical earth, even Tesla believed it was a sphere.

Long story, long road.

It's difficult to describe, far easier to experience , but try to think in terms of geometry, straight line geometry where countless such form spheroids, not spheres.
The spheroid comes from this been an electric/magnetic system with polarity and equator ( the cross, the swastika looking down above/from below the poles)

Memory is flowing upon that system, thus wherever the observer is the Earth is flat, but move fractionally and it is flat along another plane of flat straight lines.

The illusion is of a spheroidal Earth, or moon or any other planets /stars etc.

There is no actual movement as such, there is displacement from line to line.

To try and glimpse this think of Earth quakes, but instead of movement think in terms of memory displacing from line to line, the illusion to our senses is of a movement creating a gap, instead try to consider that  a time displacement results in the so called earth quake as memory displaces in that geometric location.

Time is gravity and gravity is time, it is a flowing memory system, here on this planet it is the net difference between the implosion over outrush in the spheroidal geometry memory called Earth, the flows are reversing at the heart centre of the dual vortex of the geometry and it is all to fibonnacci measure and design, I detect 55 implosion over 34 outrush, this determines what is called gravity and time.

It is all about memory along straight line geometry that trips onto the next line always taking the path of least resistance, the earth quake and volcano's are where the memory is resisted and lowers ( earth quake) or is so resisted that it causes transmutation of the memory ( volcano)

NO-thing actually exists except as memory, all in a matrix of flat straight lines.

I am a dowser and can detect this, it is very humbling and could drive anyone bonkers, as I have always been a bit strange I seem to cope.

Kevin

Quote from: kevin on September 09, 2021, 08:21:45 PM
Long story, long road.

It's difficult to describe, far easier to experience , but try to think in terms of geometry, straight line geometry where countless such form spheroids, not spheres.
The spheroid comes from this been an electric/magnetic system with polarity and equator ( the cross, the swastika looking down above/from below the poles)

Memory is flowing upon that system, thus wherever the observer is the Earth is flat, but move fractionally and it is flat along another plane of flat straight lines.

The illusion is of a spheroidal Earth, or moon or any other planets /stars etc.

There is no actual movement as such, there is displacement from line to line.

To try and glimpse this think of Earth quakes, but instead of movement think in terms of memory displacing from line to line, the illusion to our senses is of a movement creating a gap, instead try to consider that  a time displacement results in the so called earth quake as memory displaces in that geometric location.

Time is gravity and gravity is time, it is a flowing memory system, here on this planet it is the net difference between the implosion over outrush in the spheroidal geometry memory called Earth, the flows are reversing at the heart centre of the dual vortex of the geometry and it is all to fibonnacci measure and design, I detect 55 implosion over 34 outrush, this determines what is called gravity and time.

It is all about memory along straight line geometry that trips onto the next line always taking the path of least resistance, the earth quake and volcano's are where the memory is resisted and lowers ( earth quake) or is so resisted that it causes transmutation of the memory ( volcano)

NO-thing actually exists except as memory, all in a matrix of flat straight lines.

I am a dowser and can detect this, it is very humbling and could drive anyone bonkers, as I have always been a bit strange I seem to cope.

Kevin

Very interesting Kevin,

I have read much evidence that the earth and all planets are oblate spheroids, so your theory rings true to me. The planets bulge outward at the equator and grow thinner towards to poles. If this is true then possibly the Egyptian pyramids are situated on the true equator?

The swastika has most definitely been demonized by the powers that be, using the nazi party to do so. It has always been regarded as a most positive and godly symbol by ancient religions and spiritual groups. Maybe your ley lines have something to do with it, and not just representing the dual spin polarity at the poles?

By memory flowing upon the lines do you mean aether? I think we may perceive earth as flat at any given point on the surface, but in actuality there is eventually slight curvature not perceptible to us. If it was flat, there would be no N&S poles and no center of the earth. Perhaps the flat ley line planes are scaling up and down from pole to pole, but the earth itself is still a spheroid.

So your saying that earthquakes are aether overloads at the location? Very interesting thought. Maybe volcanoes are situated on vortex points, and aether overloads also cause them to erupt.

If the aether is what stores the fields memory, then that would imply that it also stores our consciousness. Time is gravity is a very interesting concept. How about the implosion and explosion of aether creates gravity? The flow of aether would then equal time. If the flows speed up, time would appear to our senses as moving faster, and in vice versa if moving slower. Create a craft that can shield itself from this compression/decompression of aether, and off you go? It would have to mimic how the earth energetically operates, field and all. Perhaps our current understanding of this is flawed, unintentional or intentional is the question.

Your theories are fun to ponder Kevin, I certainly enjoy thinking out of the box that's been created.  Thank you sir

Galahad,

Your aether is consciousness, the universe is conscious.
Gravity does not exist, neither does time.
Both are local consequences relative to the rate of implosion over outrush.

The universe is a perfectly packed super solid, the packing faces create the pathways of straight lines and create a multi dimensional system in the same location.

We are consequences of the 3D system at the surface area of Earth, consciousness trips across the dimensions always following the path of least resistance.

You are self similar to the planet with counter rotating hemispheres of consciousness reversing at Your heart location, and that is what enables it to beat.

Trees demonstrate there is no gravity when they reverse their hemispheres direction at the equinox ( 45 degrees to polarity and equator.) then the water falls to the upper hemisphere extremes, it FALLS.

That is softwoods, at the autumn equinox they revert to normal spin fields and the water falls out of them, We observe the leaves dry up, but have never asked the trees about this, I have.

I can detect all of this with ease and precision.

Any so called flying saucer is not flying, they are time machines that resist the flow of consciousness in whatever direction with super high voltages that locally direct the flows of consciousness as required.

Thomas Townsend Brown built them.

Kevin

Quote from: Galahad on September 11, 2021, 05:22:36 PM
If this is true then possibly the Egyptian pyramids are situated on the true equator?

The Egyptian pyramids are not all in the same place, so they cannot be on any hypothetical equator.

QuoteThe swastika has most definitely been demonized by the powers that be, using the nazi party to do so. It has always been regarded as a most positive and godly symbol by ancient religions and spiritual groups.

That's a real shame, but you can always use a swastika with the "arms" pointing to the left instead of the right, as used by Nazis. If any idiot complains you just have to point to the difference (that they probably didn't know exists).

Quote from: kevin on September 11, 2021, 06:32:40 PM
Gravity does not exist, neither does time.
Both are local consequences relative to the rate of implosion over outrush.

If they are consequences of something else then they exist, I suppose we need a better description.

QuoteTrees demonstrate there is no gravity when they reverse their hemispheres direction at the equinox ( 45 degrees to polarity and equator.) then the water falls to the upper hemisphere extremes, it FALLS.

Could you explain this better? I do not understand what you mean by this.
Thanks in advance. :)

Quote from: ArMaP on September 11, 2021, 07:03:49 PM
If they are consequences of something else then they exist, I suppose we need a better description.
Could you explain this better? I do not understand what you mean by this.
Thanks in advance. :)

Visualise a cross, polarity and equator, the Northern hemisphere of this rotating  left to right, the southern hemisphere right to left.
Now think of a tree with its southern hemisphere mostly below ground.

At the equinox time try to imagine the trees reversing these two spin field directions and thus locally so called gravity been reversed, this is quite weak but many sensitive tree huggers feel uplifted at this time.
The magnetic water then reacts by been attracted towards the upper reaches of the northern hemisphere within the tree itself.
The trees revert to normal spin at the September equinox ( northern hemisphere of Earth) to drop the water out before any frosts arrive which would expand the water below four degrees centigrade and thus damage the trees.

I know it goes against all current indoctrinations to say that everything in 3D creation is magnetic, but it is so, thus it is all by field, or Biefeld Brown effect.

Biefeld was TT Brown professor and can You not glimpse how by field was shown by using His professor s name to describe an effect? in the secret world Dr Brown lived in.

The spin of consciousness ( ouroboros) enables creation in 3D, that utilised to create whatever is the reduction shown by the serpent eating it's own tail.

Everything in creation is remembering to be within it's own unique dual spin field, You ArMaP are such, and it's all fields within fields, Your overall field contains trillions of smaller fields.
The planet is within it's own such field, as is the moon as is the sun as is each galaxy.

The so called black holes are the heart centred reversal locations, not of a non existent gravity, they are neutral location where there is a reversal of spin.

Kevin

The tidal reactions of water demonstrate all of this , not by so called gravity but by the spin fields of the Earth and the moon interaction relative to location.

This also what creates light and heat/cold relative to the Earth and sun locations, light is a consequence of field interactions , it is not travelling, light occurs within the Earths field and within the moons field, our senses are fooled into thinking light is beaming out of the sun, it is not hence no light in space, it takes two to tango and thus only when the strong field of the sun meets another field does light occur in the interaction of the meeting field geometries.

There is no speed of light, what has been measured is the net difference of the meeting fields, this is why there is next to no time in space and almost instant so called travel is possible as it is displacement not travel.

Each encountered planet will have it's own field ratio of implosion over outrush relative to location of meeting fields , to thus hover within such a varient field will require the craft to create a self similar field about itself, and for ourselves to exist within such would need a suit to create such a field, otherwise You will be taken apart.
kevin

https://symbolsandmeanings.net/ouroboros-snake-eating-its-tail-infinity-symbol-meaning-origin/
https://symbolsandmeanings.net/ankh-meaning-symbolism-origin-egyptian-cross/

The Ankh depicts the cross that consciousness spins about.
The serpent depicts the spin field been utilised in creation in 3D.

Kevin

Thanks, Kevin, I understand it now. :)

Quote from: kevin on September 11, 2021, 06:32:40 PM
Galahad,

Your aether is consciousness, the universe is conscious.
Gravity does not exist, neither does time.
Both are local consequences relative to the rate of implosion over outrush.

The universe is a perfectly packed super solid, the packing faces create the pathways of straight lines and create a multi dimensional system in the same location.

We are consequences of the 3D system at the surface area of Earth, consciousness trips across the dimensions always following the path of least resistance.

You are self similar to the planet with counter rotating hemispheres of consciousness reversing at Your heart location, and that is what enables it to beat.

Trees demonstrate there is no gravity when they reverse their hemispheres direction at the equinox ( 45 degrees to polarity and equator.) then the water falls to the upper hemisphere extremes, it FALLS.

That is softwoods, at the autumn equinox they revert to normal spin fields and the water falls out of them, We observe the leaves dry up, but have never asked the trees about this, I have.

I can detect all of this with ease and precision.

Any so called flying saucer is not flying, they are time machines that resist the flow of consciousness in whatever direction with super high voltages that locally direct the flows of consciousness as required.

Thomas Townsend Brown built them.

Kevin

Hi Kevin,

I'm not that science savvy but I do understand the basics. Maybe its all that's needed to comprehend the dynamics of universe since it might not be that complicated, despite our sciences leading us to believe otherwise. They may be be over complicating everything for no reason.

It makes sense that gravity is not a force but a consequence of the push and pull of aether (or as science calls it plasma and telluric currents). Our scientists disregard a push theory of gravity, failing to only look down and not up. Princes top hit "under pressure" always struck a cord with me.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a01QQZyl-_I

Very interesting about the trees field reversal displaying gravity control, thank you for that information. Are all trees the same or are some different? Have you ever dowsed a EVERgreen tree?

I read about TT Brown in the past. There isn't that much information about his work since it's deeply classified. He was so smart that the government took him under their wing to work on black budget projects. I don't understand his electrogravitics theory but your post made me take a stroll down memory lane and has rekindled a desire to learn more! His theory of "sidereal radiation" (aka aether) interests me the most.

I always remembered one quote from him which I hold dear to my heart.

"Men are like bees in a hive... they respond unknowingly to the warmth of their unseen environment." — T. Townsend Brown, 1975

Quote from: ArMaP on September 11, 2021, 07:00:52 PM
The Egyptian pyramids are not all in the same place, so they cannot be on any hypothetical equator.
That's a real shame, but you can always use a swastika with the "arms" pointing to the left instead of the right, as used by Nazis. If any idiot complains you just have to point to the difference (that they probably didn't know exists).

Hi ArMap,

Perhaps the Egyptian pyramids were situated on the old equator before a pole reversal?

http://reach-unlimited.com/p/350289517/the-earth-may-have-an-old-equator--sacred-sites--are-aligned-there

I agree, I also prefer the counter clockwise spin of time. She's a beauty ain't she! The nazi's were all left brain masculine worshipers.

Quote from: kevin on September 11, 2021, 08:13:08 PM
The so called black holes are the heart centred reversal locations, not of a non existent gravity, they are neutral location where there is a reversal of spin.

Kevin

So your implying all planets, stars and heavenly bodies have a black hole at their heart center, even the sun. Even humans and our cells? Great thought, cheers.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3mbBbFH9fAg

Quote from: kevin on September 11, 2021, 08:28:10 PM
The tidal reactions of water demonstrate all of this , not by so called gravity but by the spin fields of the Earth and the moon interaction relative to location.

This also what creates light and heat/cold relative to the Earth and sun locations, light is a consequence of field interactions , it is not travelling, light occurs within the Earths field and within the moons field, our senses are fooled into thinking light is beaming out of the sun, it is not hence no light in space, it takes two to tango and thus only when the strong field of the sun meets another field does light occur in the interaction of the meeting field geometries.

There is no speed of light, what has been measured is the net difference of the meeting fields, this is why there is next to no time in space and almost instant so called travel is possible as it is displacement not travel.

Each encountered planet will have it's own field ratio of implosion over outrush relative to location of meeting fields , to thus hover within such a varient field will require the craft to create a self similar field about itself, and for ourselves to exist within such would need a suit to create such a field, otherwise You will be taken apart.
kevin

Makes sense that light doesn't travel, after all, space is always cold. The space between the field of the earth and the sun does not heat up. It could be the interaction of what the fields are filled with that creates light. Electricity creates light, and from what I've gathered electricity is a direct manifestation of the aether.

Instant travel you say? Wasn't TT Brown working on instantaneous communication technology? Maybe he knew this was a instantaneous universe through his newly discovered science. Ever seen the movie "loopers"? It does seem odd that UFO's just seem to blink in and out of existence instantaneously. Maybe they are traveling to parallel dimensions and different time frames? Fascinating to think about.

Galahad,

TT Brown has inspired Myself for many years, His life and works are veiled, but He left clues for those with the senses to comprehend them, I sense You have such in abundance.

All points in a solid universe are in constant touch with all other points, all in 3D is but a local memory.

Grebennikov was a dowser, as am I.
http://blog.hasslberger.com/docs/Viktor_Grebennikov_FLYING_PLATFORMS.pdf

Chitin.


Kevin

Quote from: Galahad on September 12, 2021, 12:53:00 AM
Hi ArMap,

Perhaps the Egyptian pyramids were situated on the old equator before a pole reversal?

http://reach-unlimited.com/p/350289517/the-earth-may-have-an-old-equator--sacred-sites--are-aligned-there

I don't believe in a pole reversal, as I don't see how a rotating object (in this case, Earth) would change its rotation axis without a huge external force.

Also, you just have to choose a few historical places to create your own "old equator", there are enough historical places around the globe to do that.

PS: I noticed that page you linked erroneously states that those places are where dinosaurs were found, which is not true, dinosaurs have been found all over the world.

Galahad,

You asked about evergreens....

They are in constant reverse dual spin directions, what they do is reduce their field diameter down in winter.

When You look at a tree the outer reaches of the branches is the field diameter, with every branch acting as an antennae and every root.

The evergreens are far denser and thus carry less water.

I must look like a total geek walking about trees with dowsing rods, but am like a duck with water off it's back in regards to ridicule.

Kevin

Quote from: kevin on September 12, 2021, 05:42:34 PM
The evergreens are far denser and thus carry less water.

Denser in what way? The usual meaning of "denser" or something else?

Quote from: ArMaP on September 13, 2021, 12:20:10 AM
Denser in what way? The usual meaning of "denser" or something else?

It's why they make bows out of evergreens, as they are very close grained .

Quote from: kevin on September 12, 2021, 07:24:53 AM
Galahad,

TT Brown has inspired Myself for many years, His life and works are veiled, but He left clues for those with the senses to comprehend them, I sense You have such in abundance.

All points in a solid universe are in constant touch with all other points, all in 3D is but a local memory.

Grebennikov was a dowser, as am I.
http://blog.hasslberger.com/docs/Viktor_Grebennikov_FLYING_PLATFORMS.pdf

Chitin.


Kevin

Hi Kevin, thanks for the compliment!

I have also entertained the idea that all heavenly bodies are connected with one another. I reckon that's because their intimate field connections and what's flowing along the magnetic field lines into each neighboring field. Astrophysicists call these flows birkeland currents which transfer plasma across space from mass to mass. This transfer of aether may happen instantaneously as geometric field alignments occur. Maybe your ley lines have something to do with these alignments? The angles are the angels?

Astrology has always fascinated me. There is a cross feature that is dominant in the chart. The four points are called the ascendant, midheaven, descendent, and nadir. When planets and stars conjunct/align with the four lines of the cross their 'influence' is highlighted and pronounced. Possibly the aether (or as you say consciousness and memory) instantaneously implodes from the planets/stars into life being born at any given specific location?

Viktor Grebennikov was a man ahead of his time. His work reminds me of Dan Davidson's 'shape power'. He found that the empty honeycombs of certain bees could affect people, when above or below it, to feel sickness, headaches, illusions of falling and flying, flashes of light, and had a metallic taste in their mouth. Scaler energy and torsion fields? The geometry of the insects porous microcellular cavity structure of chitin shells and wings might allow stronger attraction of "voltage" to the mass within the insects field. Shape power?

I fancy this quote from him.

"Thus, it may be possible to fly not just in space but also, or so it seems, in time. I cannot make the latter claim with a 100% guarantee, except perhaps that in flight, particularly at its beginning, a watch runs eratically, now too slow and then too fast. But, the watch is at its accurate time and speed at the end of the excursions."

http://amasci.com/greb/greb2.html

Galahad,
I do hope that our UFO friends read all about Grebennikov and His description of how He appeared to observers whilst on His platform.

Our eyes see via Your aether with signals sent out and returned, if they observe a distorted field it may appear differently or not be observed at all ( Philadelphia)

A knight of the round table You  may be, but there are no circles just polygons, , then consciousness (aether) trips around the polygons and spirals inwards/outwards about the central polygon ( alter store, omphalos stone) with the geometry creation dominant four directions.
The four faces of vishnu.

Kevin

Quote from: Galahad on September 12, 2021, 12:53:00 AM
Perhaps the Egyptian pyramids were situated on the old equator before a pole reversal?

If the poles reverse, then the equator remains in the same place.  ;D

Quote from: kevin on September 13, 2021, 08:02:28 PM
Galahad,
I do hope that our UFO friends read all about Grebennikov and His description of how He appeared to observers whilst on His platform.

Our eyes see via Your aether with signals sent out and returned, if they observe a distorted field it may appear differently or not be observed at all ( Philadelphia)

A knight of the round table You  may be, but there are no circles just polygons, , then consciousness (aether) trips around the polygons and spirals inwards/outwards about the central polygon ( alter store, omphalos stone) with the geometry creation dominant four directions.
The four faces of vishnu.

Kevin

Hi Kevin,

It's very interesting that some will be able to observe the glow of UFO's and some will not. If our eyes function via aetheric signals from the light spectrum sent out to the observed and back to the observer, then perhaps it would be wise to build the energy within our bio-fields to maximum strength? I have a hunch that eyesight and  energetic field strength go hand in hand, as well as every other bodily function.

I've pondered on the idea of earth being a geometric platonic solid but never found solid geophysical evidence to suggest it's true. I suppose I'll need to a bit dig deeper down this rabbit hole and unschool myself from the shackles of conditioning. I've read much about earth being a icosahedron but that was promoted mainly by the new age movement, which I'm very skeptical of. It may be a half truth in my opinion. I think it's more plausible that earth is a 12 pentagonal faced dodecahedron-icosahedron.

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mapas_ocultotierra/esp_mapa_ocultotierra_10.htm

Some ancient cultures including the romans had a special affinity for the dodecahedron. Roman solders would carry around small dodecahedron shaped trinkets believing it brought them power and grace. In the ancient mystery schools it was forbidden to even utter the word dodecahedron, they placed paramount importance to this shape. What do atomic bombs have to do with dodecahedrons?

https://mae.ufl.edu/~uhk/DODECAHEDRON.pdf

When you say alter stone, do you mean places of worship such as temples and churches? I wonder what type of stone they used. It is possible holy places were purposely built where the crossing of multiple ley lines converge creating a vortex point. The four cardinal directions are in alignment with the four royal stars of Persia. The Eagle, Lion, Bull, and Man. The tetramorph.

https://biblehub.com/ezekiel/1-10.htm

Churches and cathedrals are built to FIT the local matrix of leylines.
https://www.academia.edu/10935334/Church_Alignment_and_Patronal_Saints_Days

That man went to over 1500 churches to take the bearings of each, I have been to hundreds here and in France.

A leyline...
Is composed of nine lines, that vishnu the central one with eight others.
Nine parallel lines at specific distance apart in groups of three.
Thats 3,6, 9.
Nikola Tesla.

Most churches have over 900 such single lines involved, and all carry consciousness.

The nine lines is akin to nine phases.

Churches and cathedrals are ACCUMULATORS of consciousness, in their terms it is the holy spirit or ghost.

They concentrate the flows along the aisle and out into the matrix, I sleep with such a concentration hitting the centre of My head.

The yew trees grow on satellite focus points around the church .

Kevin

The dodecahedron is all about the golden ratio, as is the leyline matrix that creates the dodecahedron geometry.

Fibonacci measure and angles I found when detecting all of this before I had ever heard of fibonacci.

When I realised what it all meant I nearly flipped, especially when I drew it all out in large scale.

It is only a living  being ( field) that can detect all of this, not any dead ( at rest and part of the planets field) instrument has only half the required transmission and return answer system.

But most humans only trust the so called scientific answers.

Kevin

Seems some Very Interesting related  posts recently.

That goes into some deep topics that I dont think that I have come across before.

I dont think I was aware of Grebennikov ..

Thanks for the links about him

Quote from: kevin on September 13, 2021, 08:02:28 PM
Galahad,
I do hope that our UFO friends read all about Grebennikov and His description of how He appeared to observers whilst on His platform.

Our eyes see via Your aether with signals sent out and returned, if they observe a distorted field it may appear differently or not be observed at all ( Philadelphia)

A knight of the round table You  may be, but there are no circles just polygons, , then consciousness (aether) trips around the polygons and spirals inwards/outwards about the central polygon ( alter store, omphalos stone) with the geometry creation dominant four directions.
The four faces of vishnu.

Kevin

Astr0144,

The reason I mentioned about chitin is due to it been what many shells and such as beetles casings are made of, and what Grebennikov used to create His platform with lots of them glued onto variable blades.

I can relate to Him due to that which I can detect and lots of other studies I have sought out in trying to best fathom out what I detect.

It is difficult to think outside of the indoctrination so heavily fed to everyone.

Try to consider that there is no such force called gravity, there is a local consequence relative to the surface of this planet and different on each other planets and moons, and it is to do with how creation operates as consciousness ( Galahads aether) compounds into 3D creation .

Grebennikov realised how much in nature locally varied the ratio of an implosion over outrush and circulations of this system and that it allowed Him to displace in universe, not travel, but to displace by locally about Himself creating a local field variation to that common to this planet.

Gravity is time relative to the net difference of implosion over outrush, thus He found He could displace all over Russia and hardly note any change in time.

Kevin

Quote from: kevin on September 14, 2021, 08:17:56 AM
Churches and cathedrals are built to FIT the local matrix of leylines.
https://www.academia.edu/10935334/Church_Alignment_and_Patronal_Saints_Days

That man went to over 1500 churches to take the bearings of each, I have been to hundreds here and in France.

A leyline...
Is composed of nine lines, that vishnu the central one with eight others.
Nine parallel lines at specific distance apart in groups of three.
Thats 3,6, 9.
Nikola Tesla.

Most churches have over 900 such single lines involved, and all carry consciousness.

The nine lines is akin to nine phases.

Churches and cathedrals are ACCUMULATORS of consciousness, in their terms it is the holy spirit or ghost.

They concentrate the flows along the aisle and out into the matrix, I sleep with such a concentration hitting the centre of My head.

The yew trees grow on satellite focus points around the church .

Kevin

Hi Kevin,

Astounding information as always. Great link you provided! I can't help but wonder if all holy places of worship around the world are built in accordance to this geometric ley line grid system. It's possible that Tesla choose one of these locations to conduct his experiments. When you were in France did you ever dowse the Rennes le Chateau area? I've read into the work of researcher Henry Lincoln who did extensive study into the church alignments there.

He found a precise pentagonal alignment between all the churches. There is just no possible way these alignments boil down to mere coincidence. Either the flows naturally follow this geometry or they were coerced and manipulated to align in this manner? Makes one think about why the church hated the Knights Templar with such a passion. Maybe they were feuding over secret knowledge in which the Vatican wanted for themselves?

http://www.sacredmysterytours.com/sacred-geometry#sthash.XXrBGEV7.dpbs

http://chuma.cas.usf.edu/~dietrich/rennes-summary5.htm

Nine is considered a very sacred number to many ancient cultures. I'll name just a few. The Greeks had nine muses. Norse mythology had nine worlds which were divided in three levels rooted by Yggdrasil, the world tree. Both the Aztec and Maya underworlds each have nine different levels. The Great Ennead was a group of nine deities in Egyptian mythology. The Navagrahas were the Nine gods in Hinduism. The nine maidens of western European lore. Then there is the council of nine and the nine unknown men. I could go on and on but I'll stop there.

If your nine lines intersect from the four cardinal directions, with nine coming from each, then I can imagine it would look like a chessboard where they intersect. In freemasonry the chessboard is highly symbolic and sacred. The floors of the Masonic Temples in the main chamber feature the chessboard.

Quote from: kevin on September 14, 2021, 08:29:52 AM
The dodecahedron is all about the golden ratio, as is the leyline matrix that creates the dodecahedron geometry.

Fibonacci measure and angles I found when detecting all of this before I had ever heard of fibonacci.

When I realised what it all meant I nearly flipped, especially when I drew it all out in large scale.

It is only a living  being ( field) that can detect all of this, not any dead ( at rest and part of the planets field) instrument has only half the required transmission and return answer system.

But most humans only trust the so called scientific answers.

Kevin

What is the point of 3d geometry over a 2d planet?

Quote from: kevin on September 14, 2021, 08:29:52 AM
The dodecahedron is all about the golden ratio, as is the leyline matrix that creates the dodecahedron geometry.

Fibonacci measure and angles I found when detecting all of this before I had ever heard of fibonacci.

When I realised what it all meant I nearly flipped, especially when I drew it all out in large scale.

It is only a living  being ( field) that can detect all of this, not any dead ( at rest and part of the planets field) instrument has only half the required transmission and return answer system.

But most humans only trust the so called scientific answers.

Kevin

Here's a good read about the dodecahedron but you need to download the pdf. If the universe is dodecahedron shaped, then so is earth?

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-1-4419-8116-5_17

Galahad,

The nine lines do cross at or near ( It is not about magnetic North, it is a matrix that is FIXED) the cardinal directions, but then multiple further sets of nine lines cross the same location and they do so in numbers of 3,5.8,13, 21, 34, 55.

That occurs about 180 degrees with the lines creating polygons at every near thirteen inch increments out.

The nine lines have an overall distance of just over 200 feet.

Quite often there are adjacent such series of lines geometries.

Fairy rings inhabit these locations and move in 13 inch increments.

ALL STONE CIRCLES ARE LOCATED AT THESE LOCATIONS AND THE STONES WERE CAREFULLY CHOSEN DUE TO THEIR LATTICE STRUCTURE TO ACCUMULATE THE SPINNING CONSCIOUSNESS AND FOR IT TO BE LOCALLY DIVERTED TO USE.

The flows along each line vary twice daily both in width and directions, and 13 times a year the moon adds it's magic.

We are approaching the autumn equinox when the flows will stop and reverse, look to Angkor wat wall carving for this been shown relative to the solstice time.

Kevin

Quote from: Ellirium113 on September 15, 2021, 03:18:47 PM
What is the point of 3d geometry over a 2d planet?

There are multiple dimensions in the same location and the geometry of each is detectable if You with intent focus upon each individually.
The planet and all upon it is in 3D, but consciousness trips about the dimensions.


Kevin

Galahad,

I can layout the exact design of any church relative to it's location, or masonic lodge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2oy0U2DMw4
The geometry is fixed to divine measure, and I am a diviner.
You will never see any drawings for churches except later Victorian ones built to compass, they will crumble quickly.
I had a lunch with one of the worlds leading kabalists in Golders Green who was astonished at what I could detect, they have tried to keep this secret for decades.
Time to remember.

Kevin

Galahad,
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=churning+of+ocean+of+milk+angkor+wat&id=92A315B472FD5F931F8496221186417725B1DAB0&FORM=EQNAMI

The relief at angkor wat shows the serpent been pulled in two directions with vishnu at the centre.
This is the 88 days and 92 days either side of the summer solstice with a reversal of the serpent at the solstice.
It reverse for aprox two hours.

The reason for ALL THE SERPENT references around the world is due to how consciousness (  the serpent) trips about the geometry that creates opposit spin adjacent circulations, thus if You follow the flows as I can You would swear You were following a non visible snake.

Consciousness is the creator.

Kevin

Quote from: kevin on September 14, 2021, 05:01:52 PM
Astr0144,

The reason I mentioned about chitin is due to it been what many shells and such as beetles casings are made of, and what Grebennikov used to create His platform with lots of them glued onto variable blades.

I can relate to Him due to that which I can detect and lots of other studies I have sought out in trying to best fathom out what I detect.

It is difficult to think outside of the indoctrination so heavily fed to everyone.

Try to consider that there is no such force called gravity, there is a local consequence relative to the surface of this planet and different on each other planets and moons, and it is to do with how creation operates as consciousness ( Galahads aether) compounds into 3D creation .

Grebennikov realised how much in nature locally varied the ratio of an implosion over outrush and circulations of this system and that it allowed Him to displace in universe, not travel, but to displace by locally about Himself creating a local field variation to that common to this planet.

Gravity is time relative to the net difference of implosion over outrush, thus He found He could displace all over Russia and hardly note any change in time.

Kevin

Grebennikov's insects might naturally achieve gravity control via porous microcellular shape structure of the chitin attracting "electricity" creating a stronger field system? Non local electrogravitic shape power? I wonder if TT Brown latched onto his work.

To control so called gravity we may need to learn how to modulate the underlying energy (aether) affecting the condition of earths field and create our own unique unified field system.

This unified field system would have its own energetic condition of field but would still be capable of functioning within the earth's field condition, which gives us a field within a field. There would then have to be a energy differential existing between the field of the earth and the field of the object. This means the two fields would be out of sync and might affect distortions?

You suggest gravity is different on all stars, planets and moons. You may be correct. If the acceleration and deceleration of gravity/time (aetheric compression and decompression) is different for every system of universe, from atoms to stars etc, then space/time is not the same for each field condition. Gravity and time in each field system would then have differentials due to the localized field condition of each field. The field frequency of each field would then be different. What's your frequency Kenneth?

Quote from: kevin on September 15, 2021, 04:08:04 PM
Galahad,

The nine lines do cross at or near ( It is not about magnetic North, it is a matrix that is FIXED) the cardinal directions, but then multiple further sets of nine lines cross the same location and they do so in numbers of 3,5.8,13, 21, 34, 55.

That occurs about 180 degrees with the lines creating polygons at every near thirteen inch increments out.

The nine lines have an overall distance of just over 200 feet.

Quite often there are adjacent such series of lines geometries.

Fairy rings inhabit these locations and move in 13 inch increments.

ALL STONE CIRCLES ARE LOCATED AT THESE LOCATIONS AND THE STONES WERE CAREFULLY CHOSEN DUE TO THEIR LATTICE STRUCTURE TO ACCUMULATE THE SPINNING CONSCIOUSNESS AND FOR IT TO BE LOCALLY DIVERTED TO USE.

The flows along each line vary twice daily both in width and directions, and 13 times a year the moon adds it's magic.

We are approaching the autumn equinox when the flows will stop and reverse, look to Angkor wat wall carving for this been shown relative to the solstice time.

Kevin

It amazes me what you can detect through dowsing. Why can't all dowsers detect the measurements you can? Your the first I've came by giving this type of specific information. But somehow it all seems to fit and make sense!

So your saying ley lines don't align with the cardinal directions. Then what directions do they align with? In one of your last posts you said they align with the "geometry dominant four directions". What exactly does that mean if not the cardinal directions?

Do you know the exact shape of these polygons? I'm certainly curious! I've read about fairy rings before but never put 2 and 2 together. Why would they move in 13 inch increments?

200 feet equals 66.6666 yards. Could be of relevance...

Stones have always been of interest to me. TT brown also loved his stones, very specific types of stone, most likely because of their piezoelectric properties. Some carry more of a charge then others. I also read he collected sand from different locations around the globe. Quartz has very unique properties. Its interesting that the crystalline geometric lattice structure of certain types of stone may attract the aether more than others. Maybe that's why the ancients ventured very far to find specific types of stone to bring back and build their megalithic structures with. Why didn't they just use the stones that were local? Would of been much easier.

The flows vary twice a day? Would 5:00 be one of those times? Maybe we should switch to the 13 moon calendar.

http://www.lawoftime.org/thirteenmoon/doot.html

Galahad,

I was driven to make exact measurement when I kept getting variations of one or two inch, then I realised that the lines are one inch in width and I was settling on the edge of each line, thus I had to allow for where exactly I was measuring from and to.

I made a device that hangs in line with the rods as I hold them on each hand and have a straight piece of wood attached that hovers just above the ground, thus I could mark it all out on a solid wood floor.

I luckily live in a four hundred year old house with wood floor .

I had to rely on compass and have a ships compass that I tie around My neck to look down on and take bearings, but quickly realised that the matrix is not anything to do with compass, it is fixed.

I did post a link about Ian Hinton taking the bearings of churches here in the UK and across into Holland, it reveals the matrix.

It is what flows upon the matrix that matters and it LAYERS in opposite spin flows ( look at the cloud layers) the first layer is from ground upto 30 inch above ground, no matter where the ground is.
.


Most dowsers are not like Myself, I am driven to fully comprehend this system, and the consciousness takes Me to wherever and whoever has clues.

TTB is My greatest hero.
Viktor Schauberger.
Wilhelm Reich.
Walter Russell.
grebennikov

The reich accumulator is the same as the Ark of the covenant, it is the layers of resistant and non resistant that accumulate consciousness.

The measure has to match the matrix locally and be aligned to such, by someone like Me.

The churches have no drawings, the pyramids have no drawings, the measure is fixed and NEVER moves, build to it and it will last, as all of 3D is memory.

We are by products of this planets memory, made in it same as it, but locally create a variable field of consciousness ( TTB did with millions of volts) then You are separate and can displace that local field wherever in time.

Flying saucers are not flying they are time machines.

Time and gravity are symbiotic and the condition You displace to can be dangerous if it is too different to how your memory is arranged, thats what the suits are for.

It's all Biefeld Brown....by field.

Kevin

Another of My hero's. 

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=kozyrev&&view=detail&mid=60494CE2EDBD50BA5B8E60494CE2EDBD50BA5B8E&&FORM=VDRVRV

Note the date.......solstice.

Consciousness stops flowing , then reverses, then stops, then moves back into normal flow.

Tempus fugit.

Kevin

Nikoli kozyrev.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=nikoli+kozyrev&docid=608030316850018892&mid=437115C011A678C05D9D437115C011A678C05D9D&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

Imagine the dowser been able to focus and tune to whatever field of consciousness desired, thus if the dowser focusses upon say copper, it is copper the dowser will detect, it is all about focus, TTB took a radio wherever he went, You tune a radio to the desired matching signal.

He slept with the radio and His wife and Daughter  were shorthand experts and noted down what TTB said on waking.

When You sleep Your 5D self attunes to Your 5D self outside this planets field, but the information is in the external field so You must write it down or repeat the information to bring it into this memory field of the planet.

I can tune to whatever I so desire instantly.

Kevin

I don't think the highly distorted disclosure is purely profit driven, I think it has more to do with the intended and near completed forced restructuring of our societies. Our controllers are moving at high speeds and presently restructuring everything as we know it. That involves ditching the petroleum age, apparently.

Whatever tech they have, they'll be the only ones reaping the benefits. The 5G big-data network is our digital enslavement system. They probably intend on making nearly all of us sterile and they intend to inherit earth... if they can restrain themselves from wholly destroying it before then. 

I believe the governments of the world are in possession of highly sophisticated aircraft which they are probably intending to reveal through a fake alien invasion... after the mind-frig of a fake global pandemic, I reckon they'll think they can get away with it - and then announce their new world government.

I just don't know if they own all the UFOs. I've seen so many since that first one back in 2010... some the same, many different, some of them look unearthly... we're probably not alone.

How our hierarchy interacts with our cosmic visitors - I've not a clue.

The biggest min-frig for me has been realising that I'm living one of my favourite dystopian fantasies, in all the galaxies and all the universal possibilities - this is our existence ... and skynet is probably real. 

Quote from: kevin on September 16, 2021, 08:19:26 AM
Galahad,

I was driven to make exact measurement when I kept getting variations of one or two inch, then I realised that the lines are one inch in width and I was settling on the edge of each line, thus I had to allow for where exactly I was measuring from and to.

I made a device that hangs in line with the rods as I hold them on each hand and have a straight piece of wood attached that hovers just above the ground, thus I could mark it all out on a solid wood floor.

I luckily live in a four hundred year old house with wood floor .

I had to rely on compass and have a ships compass that I tie around My neck to look down on and take bearings, but quickly realised that the matrix is not anything to do with compass, it is fixed.

I did post a link about Ian Hinton taking the bearings of churches here in the UK and across into Holland, it reveals the matrix.

It is what flows upon the matrix that matters and it LAYERS in opposite spin flows ( look at the cloud layers) the first layer is from ground upto 30 inch above ground, no matter where the ground is.
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Most dowsers are not like Myself, I am driven to fully comprehend this system, and the consciousness takes Me to wherever and whoever has clues.

TTB is My greatest hero.
Viktor Schauberger.
Wilhelm Reich.
Walter Russell.
grebennikov

The reich accumulator is the same as the Ark of the covenant, it is the layers of resistant and non resistant that accumulate consciousness.

The measure has to match the matrix locally and be aligned to such, by someone like Me.

The churches have no drawings, the pyramids have no drawings, the measure is fixed and NEVER moves, build to it and it will last, as all of 3D is memory.

We are by products of this planets memory, made in it same as it, but locally create a variable field of consciousness ( TTB did with millions of volts) then You are separate and can displace that local field wherever in time.

Flying saucers are not flying they are time machines.

Time and gravity are symbiotic and the condition You displace to can be dangerous if it is too different to how your memory is arranged, thats what the suits are for.

It's all Biefeld Brown....by field.

Kevin

Hi Kevin,

So the cardinal directions in space, aka the four winds, are where the aether is predominantly blowing from. But the crystalline lattice structure is what it flows upon, and the lattice is not aligned to the cardinal directions nor any compass bearing. Am I understanding you correctly?

So the snakes slithering 30 inches from the ground up are flowing in an opposite direction to the dragons above it? Very interesting. Maybe thats what the mysterious Sumerian hand bags or purses were for? They could of been aether accumulators with one collecting the bottom flow and the other collecting the upper. It might have operated similar to Reichs 'orgone' accumulator.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/202662051952128770/

Those are some great hero's you got there. Walter Russel is a favorite of mine as well! They were all most likely natural dowsers, whether they knew it or not, and completely tuned into the flow. Maybe geniuses like them are born aligned at location to a unique sidereal radiation that allows this type of perception? Sometimes you just KNOW and gravitate towards truth, and in vice versa truth gravitates towards you.

http://www.viewzone.com/siderealtime.html

And yes, I'm sure space time travelers would have specialized suits with a strong field about them to block and protect their human biofield from a different condition of field frequency. Maybe the moon landing was a farce when viewed in this light?

You mentioned in a past post that the crystalline lattice structure of specific stones are capable of accumulating the aether, somewhat like a sponge I imagine. Would limestone happen to be one of them? The Egyptians seemed to have an special affinity for it. If so then I was fortunate to be born on top of limestone bedrock in my home state of Pennsylvania.

Quote from: kevin on September 16, 2021, 08:31:05 AM
Another of My hero's. 

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=kozyrev&&view=detail&mid=60494CE2EDBD50BA5B8E60494CE2EDBD50BA5B8E&&FORM=VDRVRV

Note the date.......solstice.

Consciousness stops flowing , then reverses, then stops, then moves back into normal flow.

Tempus fugit.

Kevin

Thanks for the video about Kozyrev. I've dug down into his work in the past and came back out with one simple yet astounding conclusion. The torsion field flow of conscious aether = time itself. What physics call the "dimension" of time may be all wrong and flat out backwards to reality.

Quote from: kevin on September 16, 2021, 09:00:47 AM
Nikoli kozyrev.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=nikoli+kozyrev&docid=608030316850018892&mid=437115C011A678C05D9D437115C011A678C05D9D&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

Imagine the dowser been able to focus and tune to whatever field of consciousness desired, thus if the dowser focusses upon say copper, it is copper the dowser will detect, it is all about focus, TTB took a radio wherever he went, You tune a radio to the desired matching signal.

He slept with the radio and His wife and Daughter  were shorthand experts and noted down what TTB said on waking.

When You sleep Your 5D self attunes to Your 5D self outside this planets field, but the information is in the external field so You must write it down or repeat the information to bring it into this memory field of the planet.

I can tune to whatever I so desire instantly.

Kevin

Aether flows have been coined as telluric currents by our scientists, and those currents lead to deposits of oil, water, minerals etc. How did the Vatican and certain governments acquire all that gold?

https://www.searchanddiscovery.com/documents/2014/41332nelson/ndx_nelson.pdf

When you attune to water, minerals or whatever it is, are you focusing on the crystalline structure of the material, the field of it, the frequency, or the image of the physical object itself?

I don't know much about radio waves but I have read into Philip Callahan's work. Ever heard of him? Callahan discovered that radio signals in the far infrared spectrum affect insect behavior, also human behavior and well-being. He then found radio signals interacted with paramagnetic rocks, such as limestone. What are paramagnetic rocks attracting to themselves? The aether. Interesting fellow he was. What do radio waves have in common with the aether except for the fact that they travel through it? Do they pick up information as they travel? Many questions, not enough answers.

http://whale.to/b/callahan.html

Galahjad,

The devil is in the detail.
Relative to limestone are cocoliths, they are the flying saucer shaped platelets of cocolithospheres.

Consciousness is divertable with living and past living 3D materials, hence the very specific usage of these material and their use in precise altered locations to achieve the diversion and accumulation of the duality of consciousness.

Nature in 3D is made by consciousness, thus to thrive You need the required balance of the duality of spin fields of consciousness, this is why the henges had a ditch and embankments to seperate these two spins and divert them as required, think also in terms of the causeways, they are all over ENGLAND.

By using specific lattice materials in precise locations this is all possible, but religions have veiled this knowledge for control purposes.

The modern take on this is graphene oxide.......beware.



Kevin

Quote from: kevin on September 18, 2021, 09:49:51 AM
Galahjad,

The devil is in the detail.
Relative to limestone are cocoliths, they are the flying saucer shaped platelets of cocolithospheres.

Consciousness is divertable with living and past living 3D materials, hence the very specific usage of these material and their use in precise altered locations to achieve the diversion and accumulation of the duality of consciousness.

Nature in 3D is made by consciousness, thus to thrive You need the required balance of the duality of spin fields of consciousness, this is why the henges had a ditch and embankments to seperate these two spins and divert them as required, think also in terms of the causeways, they are all over ENGLAND.

By using specific lattice materials in precise locations this is all possible, but religions have veiled this knowledge for control purposes.

The modern take on this is graphene oxide.......beware.



Kevin

Yes devil in the detail, but Saturn is a wise teacher though.

The unique shape of limestone coccoliths and the fact that it's composed of calcium carbonate (chalk) might give it aetheric attractive properties. I bet you find limestone deposits whilst dowsing the alignments. Countless ancient megalithic constructions are built with limestone and are situated above limestone deposits.

From the link below:

"The chiral ultrastructure suggests that the calcite crystals are enclosed within vesicles which are themselves laid down in a chiral arrangement."

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1994RSPSB.258..237D/abstract

The ancients also placed chalk along alignments (mainly in England) so I think it must manipulate the flows in some fashion, most likely as a insulator. Should we chalk it up to coincidence? It appears science needs to get back to the chalkboard and chalk out a new path.

Seashells are also calcium carbonate (chalk). I currently live in Florida (and yes I've been to coral castle) and native indians in the past made shell mounds at specific locations. I suspect they were manipulating the aether. What archeologists here call burial mounds is misleading. It's only a small part of what they were used for.

I suspect human bones have the same affect upon the flows. Have you ever dowsed one of the bone churches in Europe? Either the church constructors and congregation were downright dark and creepy fellows or they knew the bones served a secret purpose? Crystal skulls are certainly interesting aren't they.

How does graphene oxide interact with the human field? Does it divert life force away or diminish it somehow? I've read from multiple trustworthy sources that it was found present in covid vaccines. It's very strange how the vaccine companies don't disclose the ingredients. Big red flag in my opinion.

Galahad,

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/heritage-and-retro/heritage/iron-age-shrine-discovered-in-yorkshire-wolds-surrounded-by-carefully-placed-animal-skulls-and-bones-3385970

They simply do not realise the WHY of such as these constructions and use of skulls and bones.

Kevin

Quote from: kevin on September 12, 2021, 07:24:53 AM
All points in a solid universe are in constant touch with all other points

Sergey Vasiliev's work should be right up your alley.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/260317976_The_Classical_Concept_of_Long-range_Action_Fields_Existence

Chalk...

Now why would Bill Gates and his cohorts want to cloud the skies with chalk!?

https://climatesciencenews.com/2021-03-26-chalk-stratosphere-combat-climate-change.html#

Quote from: Galahad on September 20, 2021, 07:39:41 PM
Chalk...

Now why would Bill Gates and his cohorts want to cloud the skies with chalk!?

https://climatesciencenews.com/2021-03-26-chalk-stratosphere-combat-climate-change.html#

It's to prevent the sun from heating up the atmosphere unlike the carbon dust we have now which apparently only lets sunlight through but not the heat out. We fight bad dust with good dust.  ::) :P Besides it's not like it would have any long term negative effects. You can trust them completely.