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Title: an article i liked
Post by: space otter on August 04, 2019, 07:00:10 PM


i liked this article..it is an opinion i agree mostly with
especially the Peter Jensen  quote



https://triblive.com/opinion/joseph-sabino-mistick-democrats-need-real-scrapper-to-take-on-trump/

Joseph Sabino Mistick: Democrats need real scrapper to take on Trump

JOSEPH SABINO MISTICK  | Saturday, August 3, 2019 7:00 p.m.

(https://triblive.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/1485284_web1_gtr-cmns-Mistick-080419.jpg)

Paddy Ryan, an Irish-American boxer and one-time Pittsburgher, was featured on a 1920s poster put out by his Bronx-based promoters in hopes of attracting opponents. Ryan, a former amateur world champion who had become a prizefighter, is posed in the classic boxer's profile — chin down, gloveless hands extended, feet widely planted.

Ryan had fought over 40 times in two years as a professional, and many of his defeated opponents are listed by name, along with a challenge to fight "anyone in the world scaling between 142 and 147 pounds." As the poster proclaims, fans "can bank on a real old-fashioned slugging bee" when Ryan fights.

"Action is the one thing Ryan doesn't give nuthin' else but" was the real clincher on the poster, since most folks love a spirited match-up in which both parties give as good as they get. That seems to hold true in politics as well as in sports.

And at least for a while last week, the gloves came off in the 2020 presidential race. For a moment, it was a bare-knuckled slugfest with a Baltimore Sun editorial that pulled no punches. Donald Trump had attacked Democratic Rep. Elijah Cummings and his Baltimore district, and the Sun editorial showed the world how to respond.

In another of his now predictable tweets, Trump described Cummings' district as a "rat and rodent infested mess" where "no human" would want to live, adding his typical litany of bully-boy insults aimed at Cummings and his neighborhood. As usual, these words were delivered with the presidential megaphone that always gets attention, and they were wrong but cutting.

"Better to have a few rats than to be one" was the headline of the Sun's response to Trump. It was a strong right hook out of nowhere and it found its mark.

Then editorial writer Peter Jensen really let it rip, writing that the editorial board "would tell the most dishonest man to ever occupy the Oval Office, the mocker of war heroes, the gleeful grabber of women's private parts, the serial bankrupter of businesses, the useful idiot of Vladimir Putin and the guy who insisted there are 'good people' among murderous neo-Nazis that he's still not fooling most Americans into believing he's even slightly competent in his current post."

Contrast this with Special Counsel Robert Mueller's dispassionate testimony before Congress, which left Trump's opponents wanting and discouraged. Mueller is a patriot, a war hero, a distinguished civil servant and a gentleman, but he fights by the Marquis of Queensberry Rules, "a code of fair play presumed to apply in any fight."

Donald Trump fights like he is mud wrestling in a cage match. And this time, finally, when he stuck his chin out and dropped his hands, the Baltimore Sun tagged him good and followed-up with a flurry of brutal body shots.

Anyone hoping to beat Trump will have to challenge his suitability to be president, and dispute his policies and values and appointments — the stuff of position papers. But they will have to fight his bullying and schoolyard taunts, too, toe-to-toe.

And the Democrats have to find someone with a little Paddy Ryan inside for a scrap like this.


Joseph Sabino Mistick is a Pittsburgh lawyer. Reach him at misticklaw@gmail.com.
...................


and so you would ask who is  this Mistick guy

Joseph Sabino Mistick is an associate professor at Duquesne University School of Law, where he teaches Administrative Law, Sentencing and Sanctions, Criminal Law, and Remedies and Damages. He is the founder of the award-winning Urban Development Law Clinic, which he has operated since 1995.

Currently a regular Sunday columnist for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Mistick writes on current affairs, politics and public policy. He is the Democratic half of the PCNC political talk show Roddey Mistick and a frequent guest lecturer and public speaker. He has appeared on Voice of America, CBS Sunday Morning, PBS NewsHour and numerous local television and radio stations.


i guess i should let  him know i put this here, huh.?!



quote is from here:

https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-0728-trump-baltimore-20190727-k6ac4yvnpvcczlaexdfglifada-story.html



and more on Paddy Ryan here

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/sport-boxing-circa-1890-paddy-ryan-irish-american-boxer-a-news-photo/79659859

Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: space otter on August 16, 2019, 06:13:40 PM


Lee Moran is one of my very favorite writters and the vid is not  long





Quotehttps://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-casino-executive-economy_n_5d56627de4b0d8840ff125a1



POLITICS 08/16/2019 04:50 am ET Updated 3 hours ago
Former Trump Casino Exec Names The Big Con Of Donald Trump's Campaign
Jack O'Donnell called out Trump for his historic lack of strategy and for always acting on "the thought of the day."
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By Lee Moran

President Donald Trump is running the country in the same "spur of the moment" way in which he ran his businesses, some of which ended up facing bankruptcy proceedings, an ex-employee told MSNBC's Ari Melber on Thursday.

Jack O'Donnell, who was the vice president of Trump's former Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, claimed "one of the cons, when we elected a businessman as the president, is that he would bring some discipline and perhaps some real strategy to the government and obviously how we operate internationally."

"Trump really has never had that capability ― he wasn't strategic in his business," O'Donnell explained. "It was really just the thought of the day, he did things on the spur on the moment. He bought the Taj Mahal because it was the biggest. He bought an airline because he always wanted to own an airline. He didn't bring any economic discipline to how he operated the business and he had no strategy to really grow the business."

"It's pretty obvious at this point that he's operating today the government in the exact same manner. He just has an idea and he implements it," O'Donnell added. "It's not part of a strategy, it's just things that Donald Trump wants to do."

Check out the interview above.

sorry can't get the vid to here - go to link  it isn't that long
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: space otter on August 18, 2019, 06:37:31 AM


sometimes the truth is stranger than the report of cheering crowds
folks do strange things for money


Quotehttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-speech-at-a-shell-plant-drew-thousands-of-workers-they-were-paid-overtime-to-be-there/ar-AAFWIxO?li=BBnb7Kz

Trump's speech at a Shell plant drew thousands of workers. They were paid overtime to be there.
Marisa Iati, Morgan Krakow  8 hrs ago

Workers at a Royal Dutch Shell plant in Monaca, Pa., were forced to choose Tuesday between attending a speech by President Trump or forgoing overtime pay that their co-workers would earn.

Attendance was optional, but contract workers who chose not to stand in the crowd would not qualify for time-and-a-half pay when they arrived at work Friday, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported. Several companies with thousands of unionized workers have contracts with Shell, one the world's largest oil and gas companies.

Workers at the unfinished Pennsylvania Petrochemicals Complex had to arrive at 7 a.m., scan their ID cards and stand for hours until Trump's speech began, the Post-Gazette reported.

"NO SCAN, NO PAY," a supervisor for one of the contractors wrote to workers, according to the Post-Gazette.

The contractor's memo also banned yelling, protesting or "anything viewed as resistance" at Trump's speech, the Post-Gazette reported.

"An underlying theme of the event is to promote good will from the unions," the document said, according to the Post-Gazette. "Your building trades leaders and jobs stewards have agreed to this."

The Washington Post on Saturday was unable to immediately reach Shell or the plant's unions for comment.

Trump has a long history of falsely claiming that liberal demonstrators have been paid to protest. When people angrily flooded the streets of some cities after Trump won the presidency, he accused them of being "professional protesters" who had been "incited by the media." When women protested Brett M. Kavanaugh's nomination to the Supreme Court, he said they were "paid professionals."

And when protests bubbled up at airports in 2017 in response to Trump's ban on immigrants from seven Muslim-majority countries, he alleged that the demonstrators were "professional anarchists, thugs and paid protesters."

Trump's speech on Tuesday felt at times like a campaign rally, The Washington Post previously reported. Between remarks about U.S. energy production, Trump urged the workers to support his reelection and complained about a laundry list of his perceived enemies: the media, the Democrats running for president and the Academy Awards.

About 5,000 workers attended the speech, according to Newsweek magazine.

Shell spokesman Ray Fisher told the Post-Gazette that workers at the plant have a 56-hour workweek, which includes 16 hours of overtime pay — so workers who showed up on Tuesday were paid for the week at a higher rate.

Another Shell spokesman, Curtis Smith, told Newsweek that workers who chose to skip the rally received "paid time off," which does not count as hours worked and therefore does not trigger overtime pay. Trump's speech was treated as a training that differed from other training sessions only in that it included "a guest speaker who happened to be the President," Smith said.

"We do these several times a year with various speakers," Smith told Newsweek in a written statement. "The morning session (7-10 a.m.) included safety training and other work-related activities."

Ken Broadbent, business manager for the union Steamfitters Local 449, told the Post-Gazette his workers respect Trump for his title, regardless of whether they liked or disliked him. Anyone who did not want to go to work on the day of Trump's speech could skip it, Broadbent said.

"This is just what Shell wanted to do and we went along with it," Broadbent told the Post-Gazette.

Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 18, 2019, 12:16:59 PM
I love extra money....bring it on... 8)

Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: ArMaP on August 18, 2019, 02:07:12 PM
QuoteTrump's speech at a Shell plant drew thousands of workers. They were paid overtime to be there.

That type of thing is a two edged sword, as it may give the wrong idea to, in this case, Trump's side, as they see big numbers of supporters but they aren't really supporting him.

Maybe that happened with Hillary Clinton without her knowing and she thought she had a bigger popular support, and we know how that ended. :)
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 18, 2019, 02:44:04 PM
Quote from: ArMaP on August 18, 2019, 02:07:12 PM
That type of thing is a two edged sword, as it may give the wrong idea to, in this case, Trump's side, as they see big numbers of supporters but they aren't really supporting him.

Maybe that happened with Hillary Clinton without her knowing and she thought she had a bigger popular support, and we know how that ended. :)

the point is....all the candidates do this type of thing....If it had been Obama, there would still be the same turn out....Only...
because it's Trump...people go bonkers....(They all Do This)....
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: space otter on August 18, 2019, 03:19:08 PM


well Sarge maybe they all do pay  but i hadn't heard of it so often before.. well actual only with this guy last election..blame social media or the hate that t rump has stirred up..who knows

any who Mr. Mistick   writes again..

this is my home turf so  i do pay closer attention to what happens here..
and while i was glad about this "cracker' plant being build and the jobs created.. i didn't have a clue what the hell a cracker plant was and now with knowledge of what it is - i'm not so glad they are doing it
simply they take petroleum and make plastic.. crap.!! 
or is that crack..lol  ::)

and as i stated in the thread title ..an article that i liked..and it is here because of it's political orientation so anyone reading would know what the slant was before reading ..




Quotehttps://triblive.com/opinion/joseph-sabino-mistick-trump-missed-bipartisanship-lesson-during-monaca-visit/

Joseph Sabino Mistick: Trump missed bipartisanship lesson during Monaca visit

JOSEPH SABINO MISTICK  | Saturday, August 17, 2019 7:00 p.m.

Last week, when Donald Trump blew into town and toured the Royal Dutch Shell multibillion-dollar cracker plant under construction in Beaver County, he made one of his trademark laughable claims. The plant has created 5,000 construction jobs and will require 600 permanent industrial jobs when completed, plus thousands of jobs in spin-off businesses.

"It was the Trump administration that made it possible, no one else. Without us, you would have never been able to do this," Trump proclaimed with a straight face.

That was a flimflam, a con job, absolutely untrue. In 2012, when the land assemblage and initial planning was taking place, Trump was ruminating over who to fire from "Celebrity Apprentice." And in the summer of 2016, when the final decision was made to start construction, it was still widely believed that Hillary Clinton would be the next president.

The credit for attracting Shell to this site and starting this project belongs to then-Gov. Tom Corbett, a Republican, who stayed with it through the end of his term. His successor, Gov. Tom Wolf, a Democrat, has kept the project moving. And their efforts and sentiments do not look or sound like anything coming out of Washington these days.

As Wolf told WTAE-TV in 2016, "You're absolutely right to give Gov. Corbett and his administration full credit for starting this process. They recognized how important this was for Pennsylvania."

And Corbett gives much of the credit to others.

"This required a bipartisan effort on two fronts. Politically, we needed Republicans and Democrats to work together to make this happen. We got that in the state Legislature, but we also needed support at the local, county and federal levels, where Democrats were in control.

"The second bipartisan effort came from labor and industry. Together, they solidified the political and community support we needed."

So here we have a rare sighting, a political and governmental success in which each side is quick to give the other side credit. It's the approach most Americans have been longing to see.

And that's why Trump should have used his visit here to learn something. Instead of stealing credit for a project he had nothing to do with, he should have seen the wisdom of giving proper credit to others. And instead of attacking Democrats, as he did from the podium, he might have learned the power of political partnerships.

Pittsburghers know about working together. The region adopted some of the first laws in the nation to clean the air and water in the 1950s. It has survived the collapse of big steel and successfully turned its economy toward universities and hospitals and research centers. And while it has been harder to replace those well-paid blue-collar jobs that we lost with this change, this plant will be a big help.

The plant is not without controversy, and its environmental impact will require vigilance. We once made the mistake of trading our health for jobs and a promise of fortune, but we know better now. And the partnerships that built this must protect our health, too.

We know that we can do this together.

Joseph Sabino Mistick is a Pittsburgh lawyer. Reach him at misticklaw@gmail.com.

Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: ArMaP on August 18, 2019, 04:47:04 PM
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 18, 2019, 02:44:04 PM
the point is....all the candidates do this type of thing....If it had been Obama, there would still be the same turn out....Only...
because it's Trump...people go bonkers....(They all Do This)....
My doubt is: do the candidates do this or do other people do this to support their candidates?

This type of thing looks more like a personal choice from that plant's management than something that was asked by Trump or his entourage.
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 18, 2019, 06:08:52 PM
The reason it hasn't been reported then and now is the complicity of the liberal media. Because it's Trump, it's a story for outrage!
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: The Seeker on August 19, 2019, 02:33:53 AM
Quote from: ArMaP on August 18, 2019, 04:47:04 PM
My doubt is: do the candidates do this or do other people do this to support their candidates?

This type of thing looks more like a personal choice from that plant's management than something that was asked by Trump or his entourage.
It is almost always the supporters that do these things, not the potus or his entourage, and the uber liberal media does this to foment and incite everyone because they can  ::) ::)
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: spacemaverick on August 19, 2019, 03:46:55 AM
Well, I am a Trump supporter.  All The Democrats and some Republicans advocate socialism which is the next step to communism.  Just my opinion.  I didn't serve my country for it to be handed over to socialist idiots.  That is all.
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: ArMaP on August 19, 2019, 07:50:18 AM
Quote from: spacemaverick on August 19, 2019, 03:46:55 AM
I didn't serve my country for it to be handed over to socialist idiots.  That is all.
Do you prefer a different kind of idiot?  :P
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: space otter on August 19, 2019, 02:05:08 PM


sorry guys.. i totally respect your opinion but strongly disagree on t rump
as a human being he is a minus ten in my book

as for this rally.. think about it ..money talks
the plant is run by shell.. shell is big money..and can afford to tell it's workers what to do..they did
workers are working for money.. it paid them to show up
my point is that this large crowd is not there as political supporters but as workers getting a day's pay
now does that show support for this  person.. NO it shows a need to make a living and get paid
sad but true

yet another angle on it


Quotehttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trumps-large-union-crowd-at-shell-was-given-the-option-of-not-showing-up-%e2%80%94-and-not-getting-paid/ar-AAFU6tl?li=BBnb7Kz

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Trump's large union crowd at Shell was given the option of not showing up — and not getting paid
By Anya Litvak / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette  13 hrs ago

Video by Newsy

This story has been updated to clarify the origin of a memo to workers at Shell's site.

The choice for thousands of union workers at Royal Dutch Shell's petrochemical plant in Beaver County was clear Tuesday: Either stand in a giant hall waiting for President Donald Trump to speak or take the day off with no pay.

"Your attendance is not mandatory," said the rules that one contractor relayed to employees, summarizing points from a memo that Shell sent to union leaders a day ahead of the visit to the $6 billion construction site. But only those who showed up at 7 a.m., scanned their ID cards, and prepared to stand for hours — through lunch but without lunch — would be paid.

"NO SCAN, NO PAY," a supervisor for that contractor wrote.

That company and scores of other contractors on site and their labor employees all have their own contracts with Shell. Several said the contracts stipulate that to get paid, workers must be onsite.

Those who decided not to come to the site for the event would have an excused but non-paid absence, the company said, and would not qualify for overtime pay on Friday.

Shell spokesman Ray Fisher explained that the workers onsite have a 56-hour workweek, with 16 hours of overtime built in. That means those workers who attended Mr. Trump's speech and showed up for work Friday, meeting the overtime threshold, were being paid at a rate of time and a half, while those who didn't go to hear the president were being paid the regular rate, despite the fact that both groups did not do work on the site Tuesday.

"This is just what Shell wanted to do and we went along with it," said Ken Broadbent, business manager for Steamfitters local 449.

The local has 2,400 workers on the site and Mr. Broadbent said he would not "bad rap about it one way or another."

"We're glad to have the jobs. We're glad to have the project built," he said. "The president is the president whether we like him or dislike him. We respect him for the title."

Mr. Broadbent said anyone who did not want to show up to work that day was free to do so. "This is America," he said.

One union leader reached Friday who asked not to be named because he did not want to make trouble for his workers said one day of work might amount to about $700 in pay, benefits and a per diem payment that out-of-town workers receive.

Mr. Fisher said Friday that "this was treated as a paid training day with a guest speaker who happened to be the president."

He said workers engaged in "safety training and other activities" in the morning.

"It's not uncommon for us to shut down the site for quarterly visits from VIPs — popular sports figures like Rocky Bleier and Franco Harris have visited the site to engage with workers and to share inspirational messages. Shell/Penske NASCAR driver Joey Logano was another guest at the site," Mr. Fisher said.

Several union leaders said they were not consulted about the arrangement before it was sent out.

The contractor's talking points, preparing his workers for the event read:

"No yelling, shouting, protesting or anything viewed as resistance will be tolerated at the event. An underlying theme of the event is to promote good will from the unions. Your building trades leaders and jobs stewards have agreed to this."

Mr. Trump received a generally warm and at times cheerful welcome at Shell, where he praised natural gas extraction in Appalachia and talked about his political grievances and name-called some opponents.

Shell will process natural gas into plastic pellets when the plant is operational.

The president also called out union leadership, which Shell had requested to be in attendance.

"I'm going to speak to some of your union leaders to say, 'I hope you're going to support Trump.' OK?" he said. "And if they don't, vote them the hell out of office because they're not doing their job."

More than a dozen unions work at the Shell site, the largest construction project in the state.

Anya Litvak: alitvak@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1455.

Microsoft may earn an Affiliate Commission if you purchase something through recommended links in this article.
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 19, 2019, 05:12:25 PM
Tell me something Otter, if any other President was at this event, i.e. Obama, Bush, Clinton, would you be posting any of these 'stories'? Stories that wouldn't even make headlines if they were? I think not. I maybe wrong. I get it, you hate Trump. I don't care for him either, but the alternative of current politicians leaves a lot to be desired. 
So your opinion is tainted by your hate, which is sad in my opinion.
I respect your right to post this stuff but it gets a little old.

;)
Rock
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: space otter on August 19, 2019, 06:46:17 PM
QuoteTell me something Otter, if any other President was at this event, i.e. Obama, Bush, Clinton, would you be posting any of these 'stories'? Stories that wouldn't even make headlines if they were? I think not. I maybe wrong. I get it, you hate Trump. I don't care for him either, but the alternative of current politicians leaves a lot to be desired. 
So your opinion is tainted by your hate, which is sad in my opinion.
I respect your right to post this stuff but it gets a little old.

;)
Rock

ah Rock ...how to answer you?
the wink at the bottom makes me wonder if you are only speaking  to continue the thread or if you are truly interested  in what i think
i'll be honest with you.. and i think i am honest all the time but sometimes my sense of humor makes the meaning fuzzy..that's why i brought up your wink

i don't hate t rump cause i don't extend the energy to hate anyone.. but i despise what he is and what he is doing to this country..yes i would post this no matter who was speaking because i think it needs to be known  how clout is used by individuals in power..who ever they are
there are no ethics left  in politics as far as i can see..
maybe there never were

as a younger human i was pretty much tied up in making a living and
did not watch as closely as we seem to be watching this liar-n-chief
maybe the others hid it better..maybe they weren't as visibly Narcissistic, Egotistical, Unqualified Arrogant and bullying specimen

i don't think he has the brains to do this - just the personality.. i think this team found the perfect stooge to do their work.. imo of course

the democracy that we all treasure is being eroded every day by this outfit..with in 13 months of the election 192 judges were appointed by this administration.. way more than any other in the past..
it's a start at the  elimination of the checks and balances that were set up to keep most  elected offices on the straight and narrow..


that is after a republican genius gerrymanderedd the voting populace to swing the electoral ..you gotta wonder just who that was
and you gotta wonder where it is going..if it continues in it's one-sidedness we are looking at the next one elected as being a dictator and no more elections..hell this guy is already saying he won't step down

soooo no i don't like t rump at all ..i consider him  only the head of the snake slittering  around on the political stage..and since he is the VISIBLE part..my voice will be raised in protest

sooooooo i hope all those words  don't hide my answer

yes i would share these little news stories about the bullshit no matter who it was about...
it just so happens to be about the great-divider..this time



oh i forgot to address this part of your post..sorry
Quotethis stuff but it gets a little old.

if it is old  then don't read in the political area anymore..because it will obviously  ruin your day

i didn't post it to start a war on who likes whom.. because we have all made up our minds..and yes i do know i am in the minority (really bothers me..NOT bwhahahah)
so it wasn't to change anyone's mind on specific humans.. just to call attention to how blantant the bullshit is
just happens to be on the folks  with money
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 19, 2019, 07:57:59 PM
 ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D

Love ya kiddo
8)
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 19, 2019, 08:03:38 PM
And just for context......

Following is a comprehensive list of all Article III and Article IV United States federal judges appointed by President Barack Obama during his presidency, as well as a partial list of Article I federal judicial appointments, excluding appointments to the District of Columbia judiciary.[1]

The total number of Obama Article III judgeship nominees to be confirmed by the United States Senate is 329, including two justices to the Supreme Court of the United States, 55 judges to the United States Courts of Appeals, 268 judges to the United States district courts, and four judges to the United States Court of International Trade.[2][3] Obama did not make any recess appointments to the federal courts.

In terms of Article I courts, Obama made 8 appointments to the United States Tax Court, 3 appointments to the United States Court of Federal Claims, 3 appointments to the United States Court of Appeals for Veterans Claims, 2 appointments to the United States Court of Military Commission Review, and 2 appointments to the United States Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces. He also elevated two chief judges of the Court of Federal Claims.

On the Article IV territorial courts, he made two appointments and elevated one judge to the position of chief judge.
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: ArMaP on August 19, 2019, 09:09:07 PM
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 19, 2019, 08:03:38 PM
And just for context......
... we need more information, like the time frame in which he made all those appointments.
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 19, 2019, 09:20:34 PM
Well ArMaP, he was president for 8 Years....so that about covers it....
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: thorfourwinds on August 19, 2019, 10:00:11 PM
Greetings:

Way to go Sarge!
You beat me to that answer as I am well-versed on what Hussein was up to, including weaponizing the FBI, CIA and DOJ. But that's a work-in-progress.  LOL


Quotei don't hate t rump cause i don't extend the energy to hate anyone.. but i despise what he is and what he is doing to this country..

Would you mind helping the rest of us - obviously less-informed than thou - what is it you despise "what he is doing to this country"? Pretty please?

Quotethe democracy that we all treasure is being eroded every day by this outfit..with in 13 months of the election 192 judges were appointed by this administration.. way more than any other in the past...

Encountering this tripe on the WWW, one might consider typical misinformation from a Trump hater denier...

One might at least fact-check before posting such here on The Truth Channel = Pegasus Research Consortium.

How's it working out for your Trump alternative the disingenuous, corrupt, immoral Hillary Clinton (https://www.conservapedia.com/Clinton_body_count)?

Mini-rant over, still love and respect you, Your Otterness...  :-*

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With great respect
thorfourwinds/rabunopsec
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Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: space otter on August 20, 2019, 12:50:16 AM

ah thor

Tripe?....gee thanks
explain what i meant..i thought i had

and why do you equate my dislike for one person as a follower of some other person/s

why do you  try to put me in a group you want to fight with..

if you read what i said beyond the judge thing i feel i was perfectly clear on my opinion





;D
you still hangin from the highest branch?..be safe buddy we can't lose any more

smilie hugs

gotta go.. time for  ninja's
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: spacemaverick on August 20, 2019, 01:48:36 AM
Just been watching this thread.  It's hard for me to comment since I am a Trump supporter.  There is not enough time or space on this thread to put in the information gathered over the years of the many times the rule of law has been disregarded by our so-called representatives.  They say they are our leaders.  They are supposed to be our representatives.  It also amazes me that people who are not part of the USA get into a conversation on a subject they may have read about and not experienced.  Once upon a time far away now, we had a real good nation.  Now we have a number of elements that want to change are laws into something that does not go along with our constitution.  Democracy is almost the worst form of government underneath Communism, socialism and then democracy.  Early on in my education, I was told that we had a Republic which means we were ruled by law and that even meant our representatives.  That has certainly changed.  We have anarchists causing problems.  We have the radical Islam element who actually said that their intention was to change our system.  (I can produce the video on that one)  We have the Social Justice Democrats in a war with the Democratic Party.  We have the Communist Party USA sticking their head into this whole mess.  Want to know why Trump got elected?  A large majority of the people are sick of what is transpiring with regards to our country.

I didn't serve in two armed services, law enforcement (34 years for all 3), being a lifelong patriot, proud of my flag and country for it to be turned over to a bunch of organizations who want to comepltely change it.  I am a proud supporter of the nation of Israel and also believe in the Christian roots on which our country was founded.  I have no problem with people who want to come to this country legally.  We are a nation of immigrants but to cross our borders without doing it legally is by our legal definition in our laws makes you a criminald.  Statistically, Obama deported more people than Trump.  Clinton is a crook (both of them) Obama gave away money (taxpayer money) to a foreign power that wants to destroy America.  Hillary allowed 20 % of our uranium to be sold to a Russian Company.  Our Congress hates Trump and says he caused it all.  Look at the people in our congress.  They have been there for decades and have continued their shenanigans and now a non-politician comes in and startes exposing it all and they have tried everything to stop him.  All you have to do is the reasearch to find out these things.  It's not hard.  There is actually documentation out there if you dig and you don't have to dig that far.  Okay, my 2 cents has been offered.
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: The Seeker on August 20, 2019, 02:19:37 AM
QuoteWant to know why Trump got elected?  A large majority of the people are sick of what is transpiring with regards to our country.

Gold  8)
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: spacemaverick on August 20, 2019, 03:04:14 AM
Seeker, couldn't help but say something...
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: The Seeker on August 20, 2019, 03:13:08 AM
Quote from: spacemaverick on August 20, 2019, 03:04:14 AM
Seeker, couldn't help but say something...
Understood and acknowledged, Mav, a lot of us still bleed red,white, and blue...

Carry on

Seeker
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: space otter on August 20, 2019, 04:24:05 AM
Maverick
I agree with all that you said about this country
there has been bullshit on most levels for a long time
and we do need a change

I do not agree that  t rump is the guy to do it

imo he has only replaced the swamp with a bigger swamp
and with the alligators of his choosing
same game with different names

I have to say that I feel you (general you) are making a big mistake
in thinking that anyone speaking out against him is a fan
of previous office holders or wanna-be s

sorry to say that
this thread has deteriorated into what I tried to avoid
so  this is my last post in the no-win circle jerk that is politics
if I post anything here again it will be copies of articles and
no comments

perhaps someone (besides me) can start posting stuff
i've tried to keep the conversation going here but his is not the way i intend to go
so yeah  carry on



oh here's another one..

Quotehttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-has-spent-years-financially-compelling-people-to-attend-his-rallies/ar-AAG1MzG?li=BBnbcA1

Business Insider
Trump has spent years financially compelling people to attend his rallies
Grace Panetta  6 hrs ago 


President Donald Trump has frequently accused protesters and activists of being paid by powerful liberal forces, but many attendees at his own events were financially compensated to be there.

For much of his administration, Trump has without evidence dismissed protesters at his rallies or other events as hired and paid by prominent liberals, especially the powerful billionaire and conservative boogeyman George Soros.

During the fraught confirmation process for Justice Brett Kavanaugh, Trump accused people protesting his confirmation hearings of being "paid professionals only looking to make Senators look bad," adding, "look at all of the professionally made identical signs. Paid for by Soros and others. These are not signs made in the basement from love!"

The Washington Post and other news outlets fact-checked the claim and found no evidence that the Kavanaugh protesters had been directly paid by Soros or his Open Society Foundation.

But despite his own disdain for supposedly paid protesters, Trump himself has benefited from people being paid to attend his events, both in his capacity as a political candidate and as president.

Union workers had to attend Trump event or lose pay
On Saturday, Trump held an official event at the Dutch oil and gas company Shell's Chemicals Petrochemical Complex in Monaca, Pennsylvania. A large crowd of union contractors working at the site, which is in the process of becoming a fully functional natural gas plant, were in attendance for Trump's event.

Read more:Shell workers in Pennsylvania say they were told to either attend a recent Trump event, or not get paid

But Shell came under scrutiny over the weekend after a report in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette documented how union workers for the company were offered the choice of either attending the Trump speech, or skipping the event and not being paid for the day.

The outlet reported workers were told to expect to stand for several hours during the Trump speech and that if they did not scan their work ID badges at the beginning of the day, they would not be paid.

The paper also said that Shell workers were informed that, "no yelling, shouting, protesting or anything viewed as resistance will be tolerated at the event," and "an underlying theme of the event is to promote goodwill from the unions."

In statements to both the Post-Gazette and to INSIDER, representatives for Shell said that union workers at the site have a 56-hour work week, with 40 hours a week at normal pay and an additional 16 hours of overtime at time-and-a-half pay. Workers who attended the event would receive the full 16 hours of overtime pay, whereas those who skipped the event would not get their overtime.

Trump has paid people to attend his rallies
Back in 2017, the Washington Post reported that the Trump campaign was hit with a Federal Election Commission complaint from a vendor who claimed the campaign did not pay them for their contracting services, which included gathering a crowd for initial campaign announcement at Trump Tower in June of 2015.

In the FEC complaint, the Trump campaign's contracting firm Gotham Government Relations accused the campaign of stiffing them on their $12,000 bill they owed to Gotham for producing Trump's campaign launch for months afterward.

Read more:Trump mocked a man he thought was a protester for being overweight, but it turned out he was actually a supporter

In producing the event, Gotham enlisted a sub-contractor called Extra Mile Casting, which put out a call for people to be paid $50 to attend "an event in support of Donald Trump and an upcoming exciting announcement he will be making."

According to the job posting obtained by the Hollywood Reporter, the agency was "looking to cast people for the event to wear t-shirts and carry signs and help cheer him in support of his announcement."

Trump's former campaign manager Corey Lewandowski denied knowing that some of the attendees were paid actors.

There's no way to know for sure exactly how many union contractors would have attended Trump's speech in Pennsylvania if everyone received pay for the day regardless of whether they went to see Trump speak, but it's undeniable that Trump has benefited from people being financially incentivized to attend his events.

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Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: spacemaverick on August 20, 2019, 05:43:18 AM
In political discussions, nobody wins and in my opinion, an exercise in futility.  I think we need to get back to what the forum was all about in the mysteries of the universe, science and various other avenues.  I like Pegasus and I think it would be nice and honorable to get back on track in memory of Zorgon.  This was supposed to be a research consortium.  Let us head back in that direction.  Just my opinion. Love ya all.
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: space otter on August 20, 2019, 05:50:02 AM


maverick
again we are in agreement

this heat is making me grouchy and not as kind as i would like
there are all good folks here
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 20, 2019, 01:00:02 PM
Quote from: spacemaverick on August 20, 2019, 05:43:18 AM
In political discussions, nobody wins and in my opinion, an exercise in futility.  I think we need to get back to what the forum was all about in the mysteries of the universe, science and various other avenues.  I like Pegasus and I think it would be nice and honorable to get back on track in memory of Zorgon.  This was supposed to be a research consortium.  Let us head back in that direction.  Just my opinion. Love ya all.

Why do you think Zorgon created this Thread?
For exactly the reason and exercise of herding POLITICAL discourse into one place, so people could get their jollies off here and not in the main forum..

So where is the 'research'.....(i'm guilty too)....

Rock  8)
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: The Seeker on August 20, 2019, 01:54:01 PM
Long, Long, ago, in a timeline far away, there was a great discussion held amongst Zorgon and his minions concerning the burning issues of religions and polyticks and the associated chaos that follows with them...

The decision was made then to create separate boards and guarded, restricted areas for these volatile subjects, even so far as to have members ask to be allowed access to the religious area, and give them the ability to block it off if they so choose

those restrictions were rescinded; they can be revived...

This is Pegasus RESEARCH Consortium, people, so how about focusing on something interesting besides mud slinging and shit spreading?  Hmmm?

            ::)

Seeker
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: space otter on August 20, 2019, 03:13:22 PM

while i started the thread and it attracted a conversation
i think it was all civil 
so i think
Quotemud slinging and shit spreading?
is a bit harsh

however you are quite right to say that this forum was established for RESEARCH and should go back to that
i think sadly most reading here are past it

but also like you said

carry on

and good researching


had to come back i forgot the re in front of searching


Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: spacemaverick on August 20, 2019, 03:16:35 PM
Seeker, I'm with you on that thought.  Unfortunately, we all (including me) have strong beliefs in some areas.  It can tend to ruffle feathers.  Politics and religion always seems to enter into conversation and it degrades the conversation a lot of times.  I was just airing a thought because I miss talking about the mysteries that are around us like we used to do.  Maybe I'm wrong...just thinking...
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: The Seeker on August 20, 2019, 09:49:35 PM
We all have our opinions and beliefs which is what makes us unique and different; there are too many mysteries, too many unanswered questions...
Shall we start looking again?

Boldly go in search of whatever we can find?

I say yes

Seeker
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: thorfourwinds on August 20, 2019, 11:34:23 PM
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Greetings All:
Didn't mean to ruffle feathers, errrr, fur, but when I see all bitching, without any hint of a solution and without any recognition of t rumps accomplishments, I wonder at just what the poster is up to.

Everything is timing...look how this fits my post from yesterday...LOL


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfHHE3zSHII

Sean Hannity 8/19/19 | Breaking FOX News Today August 19, 2019

For you, Your Otterness...Much Love.

https://youtu.be/khCYE8q0QT0

You Are the Battlefield

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/lg50aa500a.gif)

tfw
Peace Love Light
Liberty & Equality or Revolution

Hec'el oinipikte  (that we shall live)
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: space otter on August 21, 2019, 04:13:44 AM


ah Thor..luv-o-lee posies  thanks ;D

please do not take my posting angle as me kicking a dead horse..
but yeah
a stalemate is pretty much where we are on the politic thing in this thread  and most others too.. :(

i will say this and be done
(she says for the third damn time..bwhahahahaha  ;) )
every time you guys want to jump on his side you do not post about him in either a positive or negative way..you all jump onto who did the job last and his female opponent.. and how awfull they were

ASSUMMING
that  those were my choices and i need to be told how stupid they were/are
you are missing my point 
(my point is that we are in desperate times and heading to hell in his handbasket)and your point is ?..the other guys were awful and he isn't
and we just do circles
so yeah been there  done that  got the tee shirt already

politics are important but we have to get past the same old responses
where we feel the need to show the other guy how wrong they are about our choices
and look at what is happening in this country NOW..
and besides jawing about our personal preferences..what the hell can we do
none of us seem to get anywhere
sooooooooooo
ending with a song and a hug
you guys are a great bunch but we are never going to agree on this
and isn't that just grand in and of itself  8)


this is a bit old but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9EKqQWPjyo


Things Have Changed
Bob Dylan
A worried man with a worried mind
No one in front of me and nothing behind
There's a woman on my lap and she's drinking champagne
Got white skin, got assassin's eyes
I'm looking up into the sapphire tinted skies
I'm well dressed, waiting on the last train
Standing on the gallows with my head in a noose
Any minute now I'm expecting all hell to break loose
People are crazy and times are strange
I'm locked in tight, I'm out of range

I used to care, but things have changed
This place ain't doing me any good
I'm in the wrong town, I should be in Hollywood
Just for a second there I thought I saw something move
Gonna take dancing lessons do the jitterbug rag
Ain't no shortcuts, gonna dress in drag
Only a fool in here would think he's got anything to prove
Lot of water under the bridge, Lot of other stuff too
Don't get up gentlemen, I'm only passing through

I've been walking forty miles of bad road
If the bible is right, the world will explode
I've been trying to get as far away from myself as I can
Some things are too hot to touch
The human mind can only stand so much
You can't win with a losing hand
Feel like falling in love with the first woman I meet
Putting her in a wheel barrow and wheeling her down the street
I've been walking forty miles of bad road
If the bible is right, the world will explode
I've been trying to get as far away from myself as I can
Some things are too hot to touch

The human mind can only stand so much
You can't win with a losing hand
I hurt easy, I just don't show it
You can hurt someone and not even know it
The next sixty seconds could be like an eternity
Gonna get low down, gonna fly high
All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie
I'm love with a woman who don't even appeal to me
Mr. Jinx and Miss Lucy, they jumped in the lake
I'm not that eager to make a mistake
I've been walking forty miles of bad road
If the bible is right, the world will explode
I've been trying to get as far away from myself as I can
Some things are too hot to touch
The human mind can only stand so much
You can't win with a losing hand

Source: LyricFind
Songwriters: Bob Dylan
Things Have Changed lyrics © Bob Dylan Music Co.
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: spacemaverick on August 21, 2019, 06:32:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04BdbqZfEj8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04BdbqZfEj8)

This sounds like what Trump has said regarding legal immigration.  There is a difference between migration and legal immigration.  Take a listen to him out of his own mouth.
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: spacemaverick on August 21, 2019, 06:38:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emf4xKccvsg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emf4xKccvsg)

Obama gives our tax dollars to a country who threatened to destroy us.
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: spacemaverick on August 21, 2019, 06:47:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdDToXwnJHU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdDToXwnJHU)

Trust her or Obama...give this a listen.
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: spacemaverick on August 21, 2019, 06:49:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTFQU5QpOlM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTFQU5QpOlM)

Hillary lied in the previous video.
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: spacemaverick on August 21, 2019, 06:54:46 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az33CK79b_Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az33CK79b_Q)

Secret Serviceman assigned to Clinton's talks of their character.
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: spacemaverick on August 21, 2019, 07:01:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5DEROUA568 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5DEROUA568)

Clinton lied again....
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: spacemaverick on August 21, 2019, 07:09:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXwOu0mQNw8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXwOu0mQNw8)

Social Justice Democrats are socialists.

Space Otter...you want me to like these idiots over Trump?  Not for me.  I can keep going....
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: The Seeker on August 21, 2019, 11:55:41 AM
otter, the point you are missing is that every single article you posted is doom porn...
you haven't stated who you would support, why, and what you are doing to promote a better agenda

you do not negate negativity by increasing it or sharing it; you, of all people, should know that...

::)
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: space otter on August 21, 2019, 03:07:47 PM


QuoteSpace Otter...you want me to like these idiots over Trump?  Not for me.  I can keep going....

well maverick
you have proved one of my points..by only going backwards and speaking about those already left behind  and not a choice any longer
and not seeing the harm your  guy is causing
ditching our allies and promoting bullies and dictators and siding  up to our enemies 
saying one thing and refuting it the next day.. calling the press  false news because they quoted him correctly and are telling us what he said but he has to call others names because  his ego only wants praise

only speaking of the past sure doesn't promote him to me..sorry


Quoteyou haven't stated who you would support, why, and what you are doing to promote a better agenda

i have not decided who i will support in the coming election yet
but i will not support your choice of t rump..i think that is pretty damn obvious
getting rid of him IS promoting a better agenda  imo


you guys have just done what i try very hard not to..
i haven't gotten personal with any of you 

i try to post and not say anything so it is presented as neural as i can
(even though by posting it it appears that is my view....)

look at the posts and comment on the post not the poster
that isn't happening here....
your posts here are only about how wrong and misguided i am...
you guys only seems to post  to yell at a person not to present your views in an orderly manner
Quoteand what you are doing to promote a better agenda


there are a lot of things i have posted to try and keep the conversation going here.. out of thoughts of Z..but no one comments..unless it is political..


i am real sorry you think of everything i post as doom porn but damn at least i was posting
look at the radio signal post   sarge made..totally ignored so that you can continue this
what the hell does that say ?

add something positive yourselves..

so the line has obviously been drawn..i'm good with it



Quoteotter, the point you are missing is that every single article you posted is doom porn...

easily fixed seeker  very easily

i am not mad at any of you so please don't feel bad about my not posting anymore
i just don't see the point

sadly Ron died and is missed
this forum is dying and won't be..
nothing here anymore worth reading
look at the daily log of what is being read and copied

:(   :'(

hugs to all ..be well

Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: spacemaverick on August 21, 2019, 03:36:39 PM
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat the same mistakes.  That's why I look back.
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: spacemaverick on August 21, 2019, 04:08:40 PM
The blueprint to change America began long ago.  Yuro Besmenove (Former KGB now deceased) gives a short outline or blueprint if you will.  He has a long and complete version of the plan and the Democrats and some Republicans fail to see it or are part of the overall scheme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVkkLDAm8I4&list=LLFX6Sjncv7IWX5uHGxiSAIg&index=56 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVkkLDAm8I4&list=LLFX6Sjncv7IWX5uHGxiSAIg&index=56)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obr1XqUPEII&list=LLFX6Sjncv7IWX5uHGxiSAIg&index=55 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obr1XqUPEII&list=LLFX6Sjncv7IWX5uHGxiSAIg&index=55)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4)

The complete blueprint being used.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avbIhMi9OWg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avbIhMi9OWg)

Take a close look at the people running for president and they all have their own agendas.  This all began many years ago.  As a person of power, I would only need one generation to turn any country around.  Give me your children in an education environment and I can do it.  That's why I study these "useful idiots) as they are called.  That's why I look at previous presidents to include the 2 Bushes.  The Bushes were slick about it, Obama and Hillary were in your face with it.
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: spacemaverick on August 21, 2019, 04:13:26 PM
Okay, here is another one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKI1hv7GTfk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKI1hv7GTfk)

Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 21, 2019, 04:14:09 PM
Quote from: space otter on August 21, 2019, 03:07:47 PM

well maverick
you have proved one of my points..by only going backwards and speaking about those already left behind  and not a choice any longer
and not seeing the harm your  guy is causing
ditching our allies and promoting bullies and dictators and siding  up to our enemies 
saying one thing and refuting it the next day.. calling the press  false news because they quoted him correctly and are telling us what he said but he has to call others names because  his ego only wants praise

only speaking of the past sure doesn't promote him to me..sorry


i have not decided who i will support in the coming election yet
but i will not support your choice of t rump..i think that is pretty damn obvious
getting rid of him IS promoting a better agenda  imo


you guys have just done what i try very hard not to..
i haven't gotten personal with any of you 

i try to post and not say anything so it is presented as neural as i can
(even though by posting it it appears that is my view....)

look at the posts and comment on the post not the poster
that isn't happening here....
your posts here are only about how wrong and misguided i am...
you guys only seems to post  to yell at a person not to present your views in an orderly manner

there are a lot of things i have posted to try and keep the conversation going here.. out of thoughts of Z..but no one comments..unless it is political..


i am real sorry you think of everything i post as doom porn but damn at least i was posting
look at the radio signal post   sarge made..totally ignored so that you can continue this
what the hell does that say ?

add something positive yourselves..

so the line has obviously been drawn..i'm good with it



easily fixed seeker  very easily

i am not mad at any of you so please don't feel bad about my not posting anymore
i just don't see the point

sadly Ron died and is missed
this forum is dying and won't be..
nothing here anymore worth reading
look at the daily log of what is being read and copied

:(   :'(

hugs to all ..be well



No one I think is getting personal except people being called 'rednecks'

The reason some have to go backwards is easy, "they are not in power'.

So I understand where you're coming from, but you can't have it your way.

This forum is Not dying and just because you don't find anything worth reading may I suggest posting something other than Anti Trump diatribes.
Then maybe some other people might start reading and posting.
Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: spacemaverick on August 21, 2019, 04:54:49 PM
Space Otter, my motto is to inform, educate and guide and that is all I am doing.  What makes this nation great is the fact that people in the armed services and other occupations have fought to keep this country free so others may have opinions.  This is not a personal attack but education via information to guide others.  Just trying to give you some facts.



Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: space otter on September 08, 2019, 05:02:33 PM

adding this in references to the comment i made about judges

i am not comparing this to what has come before but what we are dealing with now.. the loss of ethics to gang mentality

and yes the character of these people matters a whole lot more than party lines..would you want any of these people to sit in judgement of YOU?    >:(



QuotePOLITICS
09/08/2019 08:00 am ET
Unqualified And Ideological: A Guide To Trump's Worst Judges
If you care about women's rights, LGBTQ rights or voting rights — or about judges being fit to serve — you oughta read this.
By Jennifer Bender

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THE WASHINGTON POST VIA GETTY IMAGES
Brett Kavanaugh lied under oath in his Senate confirmation hearing and blamed politics — not the credible sexual assault allegations against him — for his rocky confirmation process. Is this really someone fit to be a Supreme Court justice?
WASHINGTON ― Senate Republicans are confirming so many of President Donald Trump's nominees to lifetime federal court seats, it's hard to keep up. Who are these people? What difference will they make in my life, anyway?

You're in luck: We're going to break it down here!

Two and a half years in, what stands out about Trump's confirmed judges isn't just the quantity, which is remarkable ― two Supreme Court justices, a record-breaking 43 appeals court judges and 99 district court judges.

It's that a chunk of his judges shouldn't be on the bench at all because they aren't qualified or they're so ideologically extreme that it's next to impossible to imagine them as fair arbiters of justice. These judges are now on federal courts at every level, from the Supreme Court to appeals courts, which have the final say in nearly all federal cases, down to district courts, where these cases are first filed. For the appeals court judges in particular, the decisions these people make will affect you and millions of other people for generations.

"It is important for the public to appreciate that appeals court appointees serve on courts that are the courts of last resort for 99.9% of cases in their regions of the U.S. on issues like capital punishment, abortion, same-sex marriage, immigration, etc.," said Carl Tobias, a University of Richmond law professor and an expert on federal judicial nominations. "The key is they resolve 50,000 cases per year and the Supreme Court resolves 100."

Here's a snapshot of Trump's most alarming judges to date. Incredibly, all but one (Wendy Vitter) is or was a member of the Federalist Society, a conservative lawyers' group that has effectively been picking Trump's judicial nominees for him. There is a clear theme to these judges, too: They have records of being anti-LGBTQ, anti-abortion and anti-voting rights.

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POOL NEW / REUTERS
Judges are supposed to "act at all times in a manner that promotes public confidence in the independence, integrity and impartiality of the judiciary," per the Judicial Code of Conduct. Does lying and lashing out at senators inspire public confidence?
Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh
Credibly accused of sexual assault

Kavanaugh repeatedly lied under oath in his Senate confirmation hearing and, alternating between crying, yelling and interrupting Senate committee members as they pressed him on credible sexual assault allegations against him, he blamed his rocky confirmation process on politics. Kavanaugh's unhinged behavior raised fresh questions about his temperament to be a justice on the nation's highest court. As Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) concluded in opposing him, he failed to meet the standard spelled out in the Code of Judicial Conduct, Rule 1.2, which states that a judge must "act at all times in a manner that promotes public confidence in the independence, integrity, and impartiality of the judiciary, and shall avoid impropriety and the appearance of impropriety."

The American Bar Association was prepared to revisit its previous "well qualified" rating of Kavanaugh after his disastrous hearing, but Senate Republicans went ahead and confirmed him, so the group let it go. Every Republican but one, Murkowski, voted to confirm him.

pic of these folks at the link

TOM WILLIAMS VIA GETTY IMAGES
The guy got a unanimous "not qualified" rating by the American Bar Association but was still confirmed to be a lifetime federal judge. OK!
Judge Leonard Steven Grasz on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 8th Circuit
Unanimously rated 'not qualified' by the ABA

Grasz earned an embarrassing and unanimous "not qualified" rating from the ABA, which has been evaluating federal judicial nominees since 1989 and rarely gives such an abysmal rating. Former colleagues described Grasz as "gratuitously rude," per the ABA review, and expressed an "unusual fear" of consequences if they said anything bad about him because of his "deep connection" to powerful politicians. ABA members also raised concerns that Grasz is "unable to separate his role as an advocate from that of a judge," given his record of opposing LGBTQ and abortion rights. Every Senate Republican present voted to confirm him.

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The ABA concluded that Jonathan Kobes was "not qualified" to be a federal judge because he can't WRITE. Senate Republicans confirmed him anyway.
Judge Jonathan Kobes on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 8th Circuit
Rated "not qualified" by the ABA

Kobes earned a "not qualified" rating by the ABA because he "was unable to provide sufficient writing samples of the caliber required" of a circuit judge. He also failed to demonstrate "an especially high degree of legal scholarship and excellent analytical and writing experience," per the ABA review. Kobes certainly benefited from being a former aide to Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.). Every Senate Republican but one voted to confirm him.

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On the one hand, Neomi Rao blamed women for being victims of date rape. On the other hand, Senate Republicans confirmed her to be a lifetime federal judge.
Judge Neomi Rao on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit
Blamed women for date rape

Rao published a series of inflammatory articles on sexual assault, race and LGBTQ rights as a Yale University student. "A good way to avoid a potential date rape is to stay reasonably sober," she wrote, adding that if a woman drinks to the point where she cannot choose if she wants to have sex, "getting to that point was part of her choice." Rao also denounced "special treatment for minority students" and called the fight for LGBTQ rights a "trendy political movement." Every Senate Republican voted to confirm her.

Where to even begin with this guy.
Judge John Bush on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit
Compared abortion to slavery

Bush previously compared abortion to slavery and called them "the two greatest tragedies in our country." He has also said he strongly disagrees with same-sex marriage, mocked climate change, called for gagging House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and proclaimed "the witch is dead" when he thought the Affordable Care Act might not be enacted. Every Senate Republican present voted to confirm him.

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Amy Coney Barrett thinks Roe v. Wade was "an erroneous decision" and also is on Trump's short list for Supreme Court nominees. Cool, cool.
Judge Amy Coney Barrett on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit
Called the ACA's birth control benefit "an assault on religious liberty"

Barrett has suggested Roe v. Wade was an "erroneous decision" and called the Affordable Care Act's birth control benefit "an assault on religious liberty." She is on Trump's list of potential Supreme Court picks, which Trump said only includes people willing to overturn Roe v. Wade. The former Notre Dame law professor also sparked questions about her membership in a tightly knit Christian group called People of Praise, in which members swear a lifelong oath of loyalty and are accountable to a personal adviser ― called a "head" for men and a "handmaid" for women ― and are taught that husbands are the heads of their wives and should take authority over the family. Every Senate Republican voted to confirm her.

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Kyle Duncan questioned the legitimacy of the Supreme Court itself when it legalized federal marriage equality. He's a lifetime federal judge now.
Judge Kyle Duncan on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit
Defended voter suppression law that targeted African Americans "with almost surgical precision"

As an attorney, Duncan defended North Carolina's egregious voter suppression law that a federal appeals court struck down in 2016, ruling that it discriminated against black voters and "targeted African Americans with almost surgical precision." Duncan appealed the case to the Supreme Court, calling it "ludicrous" to suggest the law echoed Jim Crow laws. The Supreme Court rejected his appeal. He also led Hobby Lobby's Supreme Court fight against covering birth control under its employee health plans, and he claimed the court's decision in Obergefell v. Hodges, which legalized marriage equality, "raises a question about the legitimacy of the Court." Every Senate Republican present voted to confirm him.

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This guy published an article calling claims of sexism "irrelevant pouting." Who wants to go before him as a judge the next time you sue someone for sexist treatment?
Judge Kenneth Lee on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit
Called claims of sexism "irrelevant pouting"

Lee published a series of offensive articles as a student and newspaper editor at Cornell University. Claims of sexism are "irrelevant pouting," he wrote, and LGBTQ rights advocacy is "yet another way to portray people as victims in need of preferential treatment." He argued that gay people are more promiscuous than straight people, which is why "9 out of 10 people with AIDS are gay or drug users"; that multiculturalism is a "malodorous sickness"; and that African Americans' fight for equality post-slavery is similar to other immigrants trying to overcome discrimination. Lee initially hid his writings from senators, but they were later uncovered by staff and the press. Every Senate Republican present voted to confirm him.

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Eric Murphy spent years trying to make it harder for minorities and low-income people to vote. Here's to Voting Rights Act lawsuits never coming before him in court!
Judge Eric Murphy on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit
Led efforts to make it harder for minorities to vote

Murphy led repeated efforts to make it harder for minorities to vote. The former Ohio solicitor general defended getting rid of the state's "Golden Week," a five-day period in which voters could register and vote at the same time, and defended Ohio's notorious voter purge law before the Supreme Court. The court upheld that law in a contentious 5-4 decision, with Justice Sonia Sotomayor writing in her dissent that the law will disproportionately make it harder for "minority, low-income, disabled, homeless, and veteran voters to cast a ballot." Every Senate Republican present voted to confirm him.


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Allison Jones Rushing, who said there were "moral and practical reasons" for banning same-sex marriage, is only 37. She's going to be on the federal bench for a long, long time.
Judge Allison Rushing Jones on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit
Claimed "moral and practical reasons" for banning marriage equality

Jones worked for Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative Christian organization that has been classified as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. She has argued that there were "moral and practical" reasons for banning same-sex marriage. At 37, Jones is also the youngest federal judge in the country, and some Democrats opposed her on the grounds that she lacks the experience or legal ability to be a U.S. circuit judge. Every Senate Republican voted to confirm her.

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Don Willett has a track record of consistently ruling against same-sex marriage rights. For good measure, he went ahead and mocked a transgender student's participation in school sports too.
Judge Don Willett on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit
Regularly ruled against same-sex marriage rights

The former Texas Supreme Court Justice consistently ruled against same-sex marriage rights, including a June 2017 ruling that same-sex spouses of Houston city workers have no inherent right to benefits under Obergefell v. Hodges, the federal marriage equality ruling. Willett also mocked a California law relating to transgender students' participation in school sports. He has bragged that "there is no ideological daylight to the right of me," and in his 2012 judicial election, he was endorsed by rabidly anti-LGBTQ advocates including Focus on the Family founder James Dobson and Christian revisionist historian David Barton. Willett is on Trump's list of potential Supreme Court picks, which Trump said only includes people willing to overturn Roe v. Wade. Every Senate Republican voted to confirm him.

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Eric Miller made a career out of fighting Native American tribes' rights. Now he's a federal judge on a court with jurisdiction over hundreds of tribes.
Judge Eric Miller on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit
Made a career out of fighting Native Americans' tribal sovereignty

Miller built a legal career out of fighting tribal interests and sovereignty, so much so that one Native American leader described Miller's law firm, Perkins Coie, as the go-to destination for jurisdictions that want "to fight an Indian tribe." Two prominent Native organizations ― the National Congress of American Indians and the Native American Rights Fund ― wrote to Judiciary Committee leaders raising concerns about Miller's advocacy for "undermining the rights of Indian tribes, often taking extreme positions and using pejorative language to denigrate tribal rights." But every Senate Republican voted to confirm him. He now sits on a court with jurisdiction over 427 federally recognized tribes.

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This guy, hoo boy.
Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk on the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas
Called being transgender "a delusion"

Kacsmaryk called it "a grave mistake" to include protections for LGBTQ people in the Violence Against Women Act, and he signed a 2016 letter that called being transgender "a delusion." He also criticized the Supreme Court's decision in Roe v. Wade, saying "seven justices of the Supreme Court found an unwritten 'fundamental right' to abortion hiding in the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and the shadowy 'penumbras' of the Bill of Rights, a celestial phenomenon invisible to the non-lawyer eye." (What?) Every Senate Republican but one, Sen. Susan Collins (Maine), voted to confirm him.

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Wendy Vitter once falsely linked abortion to cancer, and endorsed spreading the word that birth control leads to violent death. What?
Judge Wendy Vitter on the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana
Falsely linked abortion to cancer

Vitter claimed that Planned Parenthood "kills over 150,000 females a year." The former general counsel to the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New Orleans and wife to former Sen. David Vitter (R-La.) also falsely linked abortion to cancer  while moderating a 2013 anti-abortion panel, and urged audience members to tell their doctors to put brochures in their waiting rooms that falsely link birth control to "violent death." Every Senate Republican but one, Susan Collins, voted to confirm her.

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Howard Nielson once argued that a gay judge should have recused himself from a case relating to same-sex marriage because he wouldn't be a fair judge. I guess Nielson can't oversee any cases that involve straight people!
Judge Howard Nielson Jr. on the U.S. District Court for the District of Utah
Argued that a gay judge couldn't be fair on a same-sex marriage case

As an attorney, Nielson argued that sexual orientation is a choice in his 2010 legal defense of Proposition 8, California's former ban on same-sex marriage. He also disputed evidence that discrimination against LGBTQ people leads to higher rates of depression and suicide. When a U.S. district court ruled that Prop 8 violated the Constitution, Nielson argued the judge should have recused himself because he was gay and therefore unable to be fair. Every Senate Republican but one, Susan Collins, voted to confirm him.

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This federal judge has a record of being Islamophobic, homophobic and extremely anti-abortion. A hat trick of crap!
Judge Mark Norris on the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Tennessee
Opposes abortion "under any circumstances"

Norris previously led an effort to ban communities from removing monuments to Confederate leaders and set up a website that used images of refugees next to pictures of Islamic State terrorists. The former Tennessee state senator also backed legislation allowing mental health counselors to discriminate against LGBTQ clients and said he does not "favor abortion under any circumstances." Every Senate Republican present voted to confirm him.

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When has same-sex marriage ever led to polygamy? Maybe someone will bring that lawsuit before this guy's court.
Judge Stephen Clark on the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri
Claimed same-sex marriage leads to polygamy

Clark claimed that same-sex marriage leads to polygamy in a 2016 speech at Duke University, and in another 2016 speech, he criticized the Supreme Court's decision in Obergefell v. Hodges, stating that marriage equality "is not an issue for nine unelected, unaccountable people with lifetime tenure ... [to] be deciding because there is not a constitutional right to same-sex marriage." Clark was also on the board of directors of Lawyers for Life, which issued a 2016 flyer with Clark's name on it, declaring: "Roe vs. Wade gave doctors a license to kill unborn children. Like the Dred Scott decision, Roe is BAD LAW." Every Senate Republican present voted to confirm him.

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Patrick Wyrick really didn't want minors to have access to emergency contraception. He also tried to make adult women prove they were old enough to get it. What?
Judge Patrick Wyrick on the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Oklahoma
Tried to make emergency contraception access harder for minors and adults

The former Oklahoma solicitor general defended a law that would have required minors to get a prescription before buying emergency contraception and forced adult women to prove their age before they could have such contraception. The legislation was permanently blocked by a state judge in 2014. Wyrick also filed an amicus brief in the 2014 Hobby Lobby case before the Supreme Court, arguing that the Affordable Care Act's contraceptive coverage mandate was unconstitutional because "religious faith is more than mere belief. It is practice." Every Senate Republican voted to confirm him.


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Title: Re: an article i liked
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on September 11, 2019, 09:50:07 PM
They only suitable thing I can say to this hit piece is YAWN....pass the popcorn... ;D ;)