NASA changes ENTIRE zodiac forecast.
Whats NASA upto ?
They claim that the Earths Tilt (or a shift of the earth's rotational axis) has now changed and the Star signs of the Zodiac as we were led to believe... have now changed their position... So they have now altered the Zodiac and added a new star sign... known as Ophiuchus
(http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix5/ophiuchus_pic.jpg)
CAN THEY PROVE THE TILT OF THE EARTH To US... I wonder ? or is this another type of Scam ? to use as another talk point during Covid issues...
and if the Earths Tilt has changed.... How it effecting the Planet Now ? for good or bad ?
So they claim many of us have now changed our birth Zodiac sign.. maybe to the ones either side depending what time of month you were born... or to the new sign if you were Born close to that on either side..
13 star signs and their dates if Ophiuchus exists
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.rexdQtvMLDGvB1IlpaUAVwHaHh?pid=Api&rs=1)
Capricorn – was December 22 to January 20 but is now believed to be January 20 to February 16
Aquarius – was January 21 to February 18 but is now believed to be February 16 to March 11
Pisces – was February 19 to March 20 but is now believed to be March 11 to April 18
Aries – was March 21 to April 20 but is now believed to be April 18 to May 13
Taurus – was April 21 to May 21 but is now believed to be May 13 to June 21
Gemini – was May 22 to June 21 but is now believed to be June 21 to July 20
Cancer – was June 22 to July 22 but is now believed to be July 20 to August 10
Leo – was July 23 to August 23 but is now believed to be August 10 to September 16
Virgo – was August 24 to September 22 but is now believed to be September 16 to October 30
Libra – was September 23 to October 23 but is now believed to be October 30 to November 23
Scorpio – was October 24 to November 22 but is now believed to be November 23 to November 29
Ophiuchus – believed to be November 29 to December 17
Sagittarius – was November 23 to December 21 but is now believed to be December 17 to January 20
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/real-life/you-ophiuchus-nasas-13th-star-22357636
Why is there a new star sign? NASA changes ENTIRE zodiac forecast
STAR sign update rumours have swirled today, as a once forgotten NASA blog has resurfaced and ignited discussions about personal horoscopes. Why is there a new star sign?
By Liam Doyle
PUBLISHED: 07:45, Thu, Jul 16, 2020 | UPDATED: 07:46, Thu, Jul 16, 2020
Star signs dreamt up by Babylonioan scholars thousands of years ago fit it neatly with the 12-month calendar, and have not deviated from this since. The zodiac has a counterpart in observed constellations, of which many signs share a name. A resurfaced NASA blog has seen the 13th "sign" shoot back into the mainstream nearly a decade after its publication.
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Why is there a new star sign?
The internet is rife with speculation NASA has introduced a new star sign named Ophiuchus.
The "serpent bearer" is supposedly the 13th in the horoscope, and has caused a stir amongst the general public.
Ophiuchus occupies the dates between November 29 and December 18, leading some people to believe they have a new star sign.
Star sign reading: What star sign am I? NASA creates NEW sign
The resulting confusion triggered a trend on social media today, but the "sign" actually came into prominence nearly a decade ago.
NASA introduced the constellation in 2011 via a blog post in which they explained the different star clusters visible on the ecliptic.
When Babylonian scholars formed the zodiac and documented various constellations - collections of stars visible from the earth - they split them into 12.
At the time, roughly 3,000 years ago, they neatly fitted them in with their 12-month calendar.
Star sign update: Babylonian astronomy
Star sign update: Babylonian astronomy discovered the constellations and Ophiuchus (Image: GETTY)
In doing so, however, they left out Ophiuchus, the 13th constellation.
While people have conflated it with astrology, Ophiuchus is an entirely scientific presence.
Astrology divides the ecliptic into 12 sections for the horoscope, each visible within a 30-degree angle.
As such, they fit in with the calendar and provide jumping-off points for solstices and equinoxes.
Star sign update: The constellations are visible in different places than they were 3,000 years ago (Image: GETTY)
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Constellations, which astronomers locate via observatories, occupy the same area unevenly, so they don't directly correspond with the horoscope.
The uneven cohabitation has lead the dates of the horoscope to clash with those of the constellations.
If Ophiuchus occupied the horoscope, it would displace much of Sagittarius, which runs from November 23 to December 21.
Other constellations also clash with their horoscope counterparts, such as Pisces, which now takes up parts of Aquarius.
The reason for this is a process known as the precession of the equinoxes.
When ancient scholars observed the constellations and formed the zodiac, they did so using the stars visible from their perspective.
Once they set the star's patterns in stone and gave them dates, they stuck for the horoscope alone, as their positions have changed in the last three millennia.
The precession of the equinoxes refers to a gradual shift of the earth's rotational axis, giving the planet a different orientation while stars remain fixed in place.
These changes mean the constellations now occupy different parts of the night's sky than they would three millennia ago.
Old news.
And NASA cannot change something that doesn't really exist, the zodiac is just an interpretation of the positions of the constellations, almost all of them also just an interpretation of the relative positions of the stars and galaxies as seen from the Earth's point of view.
I must have missed any prior PRC posts on this if its Old News..
On a quick search the other day if I recall I think I found only maybe one or two articles that referred to the new Zodiac sign...maybe as far back as 2013 which does surprise me..
as I thought this was new news by Nasa..
It does also surprise me that NASA would make any ref to the Zodiac and its Star signs..
But again HOW much alteration has the Earths axis / tilt Had, if they are making some ref to it I wonder ?
Quote from: ArMaP on July 16, 2020, 10:11:19 PM
Old news.
And NASA cannot change something that doesn't really exist, the zodiac is just an interpretation of the positions of the constellations, almost all of them also just an interpretation of the relative positions of the stars and galaxies as seen from the Earth's point of view.
Quote from: astr0144 on July 18, 2020, 04:07:38 PM
But again HOW much alteration has the Earths axis / tilt Had, if they are making some ref to it I wonder ?
It's not really a change in tilt of the axis but a change in the direction the axis points, as the Earth, like a top spinning with a tilt, has a kind of secondary rotation that makes the axis move around and point in different directions. That's also why the North Star changes with time.
Jesus had twelve disciples.
Add Him in and that equals 13.
Maybe He is coming back from galatic central?
Kevin
So you dont think its to do with the 23 Degree tilt altering its angle..
Is it to do with whats known as the Precession of the Equinox..
Like a wobble of the Earth like how a spinning top may act as it goes out of control....
which according to something I found suggest it occurs over about every 26,000 years
(http://grahamhancock.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/martineauj1-5.jpg)
(https://askeyphysics.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/precession-of-the-equinox-book-graph.jpg)
Quote from: ArMaP on July 18, 2020, 06:19:27 PM
It's not really a change in tilt of the axis but a change in the direction the axis points, as the Earth, like a top spinning with a tilt, has a kind of secondary rotation that makes the axis move around and point in different directions. That's also why the North Star changes with time.
Not considered that one before Kev !
QuoteJesus had twelve disciples.
Add Him in and that equals 13.
Maybe He is coming back from galatic central?
Kevin
We use 12 months in our calendar and 24 hours (2 x 12) in each day. Does that mean something?
Yes, it means that in antiquity some civilisations had a base 12 numbering system, like the Babylonians.
Quote from: astr0144 on July 18, 2020, 07:40:35 PM
So you dont think its to do with the 23 Degree tilt altering its angle..
No, if that had happened many people would have noticed it, as the positions of all the stars would have changed too, so all star catalogues would be useless.
Maybe but it depend by how much..
Maybe you did not also notice my other suggestion in ref to
Is it to do with whats known as the Precession of the Equinox..
Like a wobble of the Earth like how a spinning top may act as it goes out of control....
which according to something I found suggest it occurs over about every 26,000 years
(http://grahamhancock.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/martineauj1-5.jpg)
Quote from: ArMaP on July 18, 2020, 07:43:02 PM
No, if that had happened many people would have noticed it, as the positions of all the stars would have changed too, so all star catalogues would be useless.
Quote from: astr0144 on July 18, 2020, 07:47:33 PM
Maybe but it depend by how much..
Obviously, but if it didn't change enough for it to be noticeable then it didn't change enough for the Zodiac to change, right? :)
QuoteMaybe you did not also notice my other suggestion in ref to
Is it to do with whats known as the Precession of the Equinox..
I did, but that's what I had already said. :)
The quotes on your original post already said it too.
That depends if you believe NASAs suggestion about the Zodiac which I thought that you did not have any belief in or maybe thought that NASA were unlikely to do so..
IF the Earth was to tilt.. by a set % to the 23 degree existing tilt or via Progression of Equinox..
I suspect it could be having effects on the Weather...or Climate..
or is this part of the NWO that want to make out this could be part of Climate Change..as some Some suggest NASA is part of the Govt or NWO...
SO was you referring to Progression of Equinox that was shown in the image ? ie that type of thing..
As I did not really know for sure if thats what you were referring to..
Quote from: ArMaP on July 18, 2020, 08:14:34 PM
Obviously, but if it didn't change enough for it to be noticeable then it didn't change enough for the Zodiac to change, right? :)
I did, but that's what I had already said. :)
The quotes on your original post already said it too.
First of all, I don't care if something is presented as being from NASA or not when we're talking about things that we just have to look up to see. :)
And yes, I was talking about precession of the equinox, as that's the one responsible for the apparent change in position of the constellations in relation to the Sun.
Thanks for Clarifying that you referred to precession of the equinox..
At least I now think I have a beter understanding what you were trying to refer to...
HOWEVER....
In further ref to what you say in this post .... Dont Care what NASA may or may not be suggesting and in relation to what you and hopefully all of us can presently see..
WELL..... IMO
We have been on this Planet maybe under 60 / 70 years ... NASAs not been around more than 100 yrs..As far as I am aware..
and for something that may take 26,000 years to occur...
I do NOT believe that any of us would have Noticed anything alter in our lifetime spans....
So What could they be suggesting if it is their (NASAs) statement I wonder....
What could they be indicating by it.... and I would agree.... theres NO way that the Constellations or Earth tilt or AXIS has altered in any such a way... to then suggest adding in a NEW Zodiac sign...
Where is all the Astronomers when you need them to question this ??? I wonder
Will we see them question NASA or who ever ? ???
Quote from: ArMaP on July 18, 2020, 09:35:13 PM
First of all, I don't care if something is presented as being from NASA or not when we're talking about things that we just have to look up to see. :)
And yes, I was talking about precession of the equinox, as that's the one responsible for the apparent change in position of the constellations in relation to the Sun.
Quote from: astr0144 on July 18, 2020, 09:51:49 PM
We have been on this Planet maybe under 60 / 70 years ... NASAs not been around more than 100 yrs..As far as I am aware..
I am 57 years old, NASA is 61 years old, the previous "version", NACA, was active between 1915 and 1958, when NASA replaced it.
Quoteand for something that may take 26,000 years to occur...
I do NOT believe that any of us would have Noticed anything alter in our lifetime spans....
Correct.
QuoteSo What could they be suggesting if it is their (NASAs) statement I wonder....
What could they be indicating by it.... and I would agree.... theres NO way that the Constellations or Earth tilt or AXIS has altered in any such a way... to then suggest adding in a NEW Zodiac sign...
When I said this is old news I should have said "very old news", as that's been known for centuries.
The Wikipedia article about Ophiuchus in astrology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiuchus_(astrology)) explains it better than I. :)
The fact is that, naturally, precession of the equinox has been known for centuries, as the sky charts have been noticed to change with the passing of time.
So, this 20th century idea of adding one or two signs to the Zodiac is something that could have been done before, but it's meaningless for those outside astrology, as it makes no difference to the real positions of the stars/constellations.
I accept that the precession of the equinox has been known for many years...but having said that ..
only since things were able to be recorded in some detailed valid way... as each lifetime... people would not notice any changes... Only if you read or obtained past recorded information about things would you become aware..
and little communication may had been available to the masses maybe prior to 100 years ago...
when we had only some books and news... I doubt it was mentioned at any education / school.. or only those who may had referred to Science related things..
So to me this is appearing as if its being made out to be something relatively new...
and that they may actually be intending to alter the Zodiac possibly even for those who read their horoscopes...
If its been known for many years prior , even this century... Why did they Not add in the new Zodiac sign before now..
Its very much doubted that NASA would really have anything to do with such a thing.. and its only the media or whoever
now creating something different to the many who do happen to take note of their Horoscopes..
The weird thing also... could be .... some people really do claim to use Astrology in various ways...
Its hard to say exactly how...
BUT I am aware of some Financial experts who use it to determine the Stock Market moves..
Its more probably more based on Astronomy rather than Astrology... as they base a lot of it on Planet Movements.. espeically from Jupiter and Saturn.... as they orbit the Sun at various points.. such as at 90 and 180 , 270 , 360 degrees...or like quarter and half orbit positions of the planets LONG times time frames to revolve around the Sun..
but some do also include Zodiac Constellations as well as to what area in the Sky a planet may be..
Puting an extra Constellation in the Sky for these people may complicate things..
But they probably are aware... adding an extra sign ... can be ignored... as they used to just refer to 12 main area parts of the Sky... in which they split the Hemisphere Horizon into..
Quote
When I said this is old news I should have said "very old news", as that's been known for centuries.
The Wikipedia article about Ophiuchus in astrology explains it better than I. :)
The fact is that, naturally, precession of the equinox has been known for centuries, as the sky charts have been noticed to change with the passing of time.
So, this 20th century idea of adding one or two signs to the Zodiac is something that could have been done before, but it's meaningless for those outside astrology, as it makes no difference to the real positions of the stars/constellation
Quote from: astr0144 on July 19, 2020, 05:02:13 PM
I accept that the precession of the equinox has been known for many years...but having said that ..
only since things were able to be recorded in some detailed valid way... as each lifetime... people would not notice any changes... Only if you read or obtained past recorded information about things would you become aware..
and little communication may had been available to the masses maybe prior to 100 years ago...
when we had only some books and news... I doubt it was mentioned at any education / school.. or only those who may had referred to Science related things..
Not mentioned at schools but from master to apprentice.
And, according to some people, recorded in places like Stonehenge.
Pole shifts are part of the planets fossil record. The additional zodiac sign is old news. Some traditions have always had 13 zodiac signs.
Maybe I made a error making ref to the last 100 yrs... (Although maybe the quality of information maybe more trusted since then)
In the past I had come across some varying data as to how long Mans been on Earth... or maybe since were to believe evolved from Apes as back in the Stone age... Most recorded history I think is from around 4000 BC...
Stone henge = about 3000 BC ......... Egypt Pyramids from about 2600 BC
But Ive seen figures referring to when man evolved like 10,000, 40,000 , 100,000 yrs ago
Then I have recently seen I think it was from Prof Brian Cox make a ref to 200,000 years ago..(If we can trust him on this)
This article refs to 100,000 to 200,000 yrs ago
QuoteDK History: First Modern Humans
Homo sapiens sapiens (modern humans) first evolved between 200,000 BC and 100,000 BC. They were like us, physically, and had the same brain power. They developed many skills of survival, and advanced FLINT-KNAPPING techniques for making better tools.
WHERE DID THE FIRST MODERN HUMANS LIVE?
Most archaeologists think that Homo sapiens sapiens first lived in Africa, and that our direct ancestor was Homo habilis ("handy man"), who evolved about 2.5 million years ago. But some believe our ancestor was Homo ergaster ("work man"), who developed around 1.9 million years ago and settled in different parts of the world.
WHO WERE NEANDERTHALS AND WHY DID THEY DISAPPEAR?
Like us, Neanderthals are a subspecies of Homo sapiens ("wise man"). They lived in Europe and Asia from c. 130,000 BC to c. 28,000 BC. The spread of modern humans may have been the cause of their extinction.
https://www.factmonster.com/history/ancient/dk-history-first-modern-humans#:~:text=Homo%20sapiens%20sapiens%20%28modern%20humans%29%20first%20evolved%20between,and%20advanced%20FLINT-KNAPPING%20techniques%20for%20making%20better%20tools.
THEN THIS ARTICLE SUGGESTS that Early recordings of controlled fires may had been over 1 million years ago..So what are we led to believe ? ??? >:(
QuoteClaims for the earliest definitive evidence of control of fire by a member of Homo range from 1.7 to 2.0 million years ago (Mya).[1] Evidence for the "microscopic traces of wood ash" as controlled use of fire by Homo erectus, beginning some 1,000,000 years ago, has wide scholarly support
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_of_fire_by_early_humans#Lower_Paleolithic_evidence
but yes records have been recorded one way or the other even before the Egyptians or Greeks maybe prior to just say 4000 BC
Writing records were said to had evolved from about 3000 BC
QuoteWriting was long thought to have been invented in a single civilization, a theory named "monogenesis".[3] Scholars believed that all writing originated in ancient Sumer (in Mesopotamia) and spread over the world from there via a process of cultural diffusion.[3] According to this theory, the concept of representing language by written marks, though not necessarily the specifics of how such a system worked, was passed on by traders or merchants traveling between geographical regions.[4][5]
However, the discovery of the scripts of ancient Mesoamerica, far away from Middle Eastern sources, proved that writing had been invented more than once. Scholars now recognize that writing may have independently developed in at least four ancient civilizations: Mesopotamia (between 3400 and 3100 BC), Egypt (around 3250 BC),[6][7][3] China (2000 BC),[8] and lowland Mesoamerica (by 650 BC).[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_writing#Inventions_of_writing
But How would the General people interpret things back then.. and How many in reality would had been aware of such information.. or had visited the Pyramids or Stone Henge.. to become aware of that such specific knowledge...
Not that many % wise .... IMO....
Quoteor broader world history, recorded history begins with the accounts of the ancient world around the 4th millennium BC, and coincides with the invention of writing. For some geographic regions or cultures, written history is limited to a relatively recent period in human history because of the limited use of written records.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recorded_history
Quote from: ArMaP on July 20, 2020, 01:00:11 AM
Not mentioned at schools but from master to apprentice.
And, according to some people, recorded in places like Stonehenge.
Would that be say from the Far East religions Shasta in ref to 13 Zodiac signs?
In terms of the Pole Shifts...They no doubt would have had effects on the Earths Past History../ Fossil Records. but I did not know when the last one took place...or how often they occurr..or did not until I come acrosss this article if its correct..
QuoteEvery few hundred thousand years the Earth's magnetic field dwindles almost to nothing, then gradually reappears with the north and south poles flipped. Like a giant magnet, our planet has a North and a South, and we can locate the magnetic poles with a simple compass. The most accepted model for our magnetic field is a dynamo action resulting from the movement of molten iron in our planet's core.
Such reversals happen at intervals, ranging from tens of thousands to many millions of years, with an average interval of approximately 250,000 years. It is believed that this last occurred some 780,000 years ago, referred to as the Brunhes-Matuyama reversal. There have been a total of 184 polarity intervals (that we know of) in the last 83 million years. The timing for each appears to be random
http://poleshift.com/
Shasta
QuotePole shifts are part of the planets fossil record. The additional zodiac sign is old news. Some traditions have always had 13 zodiac signs.
Quote from: astr0144 on July 25, 2020, 04:05:51 PM
In the past I had come across some varying data as to how long Mans been on Earth... or maybe since were to believe evolved from Apes as back in the Stone age...
That's a common misunderstanding or misconception most people do: we are not supposed to have evolved from apes, humans and today's apes are supposed to have evolved from a common ancestor, different from today's apes.
QuoteTHEN THIS ARTICLE SUGGESTS that Early recordings of controlled fires may had been over 1 million years ago..
I doubt they can know if it was controlled or not.
QuoteBut How would the General people interpret things back then.. and How many in reality would had been aware of such information.. or had visited the Pyramids or Stone Henge.. to become aware of that such specific knowledge...
You just have to look at the Sun rising and setting every day throughout the year to notice that things change and repeat after 365 days. The same happens with the Moon and its 28 days cycle.
The fact is most people today do not care to look at the world around them, so they do not notice things like that that were easily noticed in the past, when people used the Sun rising and setting instead of clocks or smart phones to tell them the time of day.
They didn't have much knowledge about many things, but to know how stars and planets move they just had to look up and record the extreme positions, like where the Sun rises and sets when it rises more to the south (Winter solstice in the northern hemisphere) and more to the north (Summer solstice in the northern hemisphere). Half way between the two are the equinoxes, when the day and the night have the same duration. From that basic knowledge with can draw on the ground (or put some stones to mark the places) a basic diagram with those four positions marked. From those it's easy to find other middle points that will point to north and south. They could do the same for the stars and the Milky Way (easy to see without any light pollution) and for the Moon, resulting in a relatively complex diagram of the movement of those celestial bodies.
They could easily relate some of those positions with the best time to hunt/fish specific animals, plant /gather fruits and crops, all that without knowing how to write.
I am not fully sure what the latest theories are on Human Evolution...since the Dawin theories we evolved from Apes as I think was suggested to me at School some years ago..
When you read some articles... its seems quite complex in all the various species that is referred to..
This webpage show the evolvement from what I think is first life forms to Apes to Apelike Human Like species..
But some of the dating maybe hard to really define as to any specific figure within less than 100,000 yrs...
and Yet Prof Brian Cox made a ref to we have only evolved from 200,000 years ago
In ref to the Controlled Fire... I assumed that maybe Scientific Forensic type anyalsis may have had ways to determine that .. and would had done maybe if found in Caves...as a eg... rather than what could had just been natural fires creating from Lightening strikes or from sun being magnified from a hanging raindrop on a flower that I have seen suggested has as acting like a magnifying glass. and created fires in the past... for eg...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution
Quote from: astr0144 on July 25, 2020, 05:33:34 PM
I am not fully sure what the latest theories are on Human Evolution...since the Dawin theories we evolved from Apes as I think was suggested to me at School some years ago..
People tend to simplify things and the result is a wrong perception.
Primates (which include humans and apes) have (according to the general theory) a common ancestor that wasn't either a human or modern ape like creature. From that both apes and humans evolved in different "branches" of evolution.
QuoteIn ref to the Controlled Fire... I assumed that maybe Scientific Forensic type anyalsis may have had ways to determine that .. and would had done maybe if found in Caves...as a eg... rather than what could had just been natural fires creating from Lightening strikes or from sun being magnified from a hanging raindrop on a flower that I have seen suggested has as acting like a magnifying glass. and created fires in the past... for eg...
They can only know that there was a fire there, they cannot really know how it started. Obviously, a fire inside a cave was more likely to have been a controlled fire, either created by the humans living there or by taking inside the cave some wood that was already burning from a natural fire.