There are numerous reports from residents that survived this "blow torch" that said it was no ordinary bush fire.
Curious what the truth is.
https://youtu.be/JDeO5cKM-KQ?si=dLuDTYR2l8Khk-bL
This vid does not indicate high winds as the town burnt
https://youtu.be/7PSYNqZqAVs?si=n-dPeZfUuxJ99e_w
Devasting drone footage of what is left of town.
QuoteCurious what the truth is.
Hypothetically, what do you think the truth is?
At this point I am trying to gather as much info from the survivors testimonies to form an opinion.
I don't want to be too quick to jump to conclusions.
I don't trust MSM, as their reporting can be so manipulative.
The locals are saying that they have had many brush fires in the past but nothing that did anything like this.
Weird that there was no warning sirens, water was turned off, police blocked roads so people couldn't leave, metal was melted in places, (ordinary fires don't burn hot enough to do this)
The locals are saying that the Elite want their land for a planned 15 minute city.
https://youtu.be/xVID8jENuzQ?si=a-3BrZQjq0ZrypM_
This is very good summary.
This leans toward a natural disaster, followed by poor government decisions
Quote from: micjer on August 24, 2023, 05:15:38 PM
https://youtu.be/xVID8jENuzQ?si=a-3BrZQjq0ZrypM_
This is very good summary.
This leans toward a natural disaster, followed by poor government decisions
Land grab?
Developers and investment groups swooping in to buy up propetties from folks that can't afford to rebuild, or have perished in fire.
Quote from: micjer on August 25, 2023, 01:42:53 AM
Developers and investment groups swooping in to buy up propetties from folks that can't afford to rebuild, or have perished in fire.
That always happens when there are large fires.
In Portugal we had to change the laws regarding selling burnt trees to stop people from starting fires to be able to sell trees that otherwise were not allowed to sell.
They also changed some laws regarding the time between a fire and the change of use of the terrain, so people would not use fires to turn a forest into an housing project.
Countries with large fires every year are used to things like this.
In the video of the powerlines leaning about to fall, it is clear there was high winds and the way winds interact with fire is random and unpredictable.
Properties with a lot of debris or vegetation are prone to catching fire more than manicured properties, and newer homes use more fire resistant materials in their construction, so thats why a lot of the rich folks properties appear to have escaped somewhat.
Also a lot of the properties that burned were older buildings and retail space that were likely filled with cardboard boxes full of products that are extremely flammable, as well as restaurants with grease traps and flammable propane and gas connections.
Add in a 50 mph swirling wind and the fire gets a shot at everything it touches for more than a few seconds because of the same effect you get using a bellows to light a campfire 10x quicker than just letting it catch.
As for the leeches and vultures that accompany any destruction of a property thats worth millions per 1/4 acre, they exist everwhere it happens... after Ian, for weeks DeSantis prohibited anyone from entering the damage zone who didnt live there and reducing the swooping in that goes with it.
Right now I am told friends there on Sanibel have been offered half the value of their property, and many are taking it because the insurance companies are still not dishing out the checks almost a year later.
I cant blame them though, to rebuild a new structure on one of those properties with current and incoming codes it would cost twice to three times the value of the homes that were destroyed, meaning they cant even afford to rebuild if they wanted to.
The "taking" of property from private owners is long underway by these vultures, and its nothing new, and many of the "buyers" are subsidaries of companies like Blackrock and Vanguard. So it will continue as long as they do business in the US, although word is Blackrock may be leaving due to the stagnation of their process thanks to the poor condition of the mortgage markets and ridiculous increases in homeowners insurance, often amounting to more than the actual mortgage payment portion itself.
Space lasers would certainly be a much simpler explanation, if we could only ask Occam his opinion on things...
Cheers?? Hmm not this time😢
Le
i saw this on the news and thought that i realy need to move some bushes from around my patio
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An aerial image shows a red roofed house that survived the fires surrounded by destroyed homes and buildings burned to the ground in the historic Lahaina in the aftermath of wildfires in western Maui in Lahaina, Hawaii on August 10, 2023. (Photo by Patrick T. Fallon/AFP via Getty Images)
here's the article and why they think this 100 year old wooden house survived
https://thehill.com/changing-america/resilience/natural-disasters/4168992-a-100-year-old-maui-home-is-still-standing-after-wildfires-devastated-every-other-house-in-the-area-why/
Speaking with the L.A. Times, Atwater Millikin explained that she and her husband replaced the existing asphalt roof with a commercial-grade metal one. She theorized that the flaming debris "just almost floating through the air" during the wildfires had a harder time igniting a metal roof than an asphalt one.
With a metal roof, she said, the flaming debris would "would fall off the roof and then ignite the foliage around the house."
But experts who shared their opinion with the Honolulu Civil Beat offered another theory: During the renovation, the couple removed the vegetation situated close to their home, replacing some of it with river stones.
The Millikins were hoping to deter terminates, they said, not thinking about the stones' fire-resistant properties.
Michael Wara, of the Stanford Wood Institute for the Environment, told the Civil Beat that replacing the vegetation-heavy "ember ignition zone" immediately surrounding the house with non-combustible material was likely what saved it.
Seeing how the land that's left will possibly be used, and the local emergency services reacted, I think it's a land grab. IMO
There are local residents that say they could have saved their houses near the beginning of fire, but when they turned on their water hose, there was no water!
What a terrible thing to watch your home burn with no way of fighting it.
Quote from: micjer on August 26, 2023, 03:15:53 PM
There are local residents that say they could have saved their houses near the beginning of fire, but when they turned on their water hose, there was no water!
What a terrible thing to watch your home burn with no way of fighting it.
I was more concerned about the 'police' blocking the streets to keep people from fleeing. Plus the lack of sirens that were supposed to be sounded for emergencies that were turned off!...
There was something fishy going on....IMO...
https://youtu.be/aEsOp56PpLU?si=lV52pJ6ymU4yYkKV
It is also very suspicious that there are so many wild fires in north america and europe.
Begs the question .... is this part of an orchestrated plan to promote their climate change agenda?
A new fire was extinguished this morning by Chinook helicopter crews that started suspiciously right next a to large subdivision, and locals say there is nothing they saw or heard that would explain why a random fire started in a rocky area with nearly no substantial vegetation.
https://www.youtube.com/live/UwFhQOHtITw?si=XPMqASDAHg_c140P (https://www.youtube.com/live/UwFhQOHtITw?si=XPMqASDAHg_c140P)
Where were the chinooks for Lahaiana? Only 30 minutes away, thats where.
Cheers??
Le
Quote from: micjer on August 26, 2023, 03:15:53 PM
There are local residents that say they could have saved their houses near the beginning of fire, but when they turned on their water hose, there was no water!
I saw somewhere that this was one of the main complaints (and consistent with fallen cables starting the fires), the lack of electricity in many places.
Without electricity to make the pumps work the water in the pipes is not going to move much, if at all.
Quote from: micjer on August 27, 2023, 03:53:24 PM
It is also very suspicious that there are so many wild fires in north america and europe.
I don't know about North America, as I haven't followed the situation, but in Europe we have been having a long period temperatures above average for this time (that is already the hottest time of the year). In France, for example, in some places they have been having temperatures above 30º C for more than two weeks, and that's the same trend we have seen in the last two years: not hotter but longer periods of hot and dry weather in some areas, while in others we have strong rains, usually after those areas have had a long period of hot and dry weather too.
In Portugal, where I live (just south of Lisbon), we only had 50 mm of rain from April to July. That creates perfect conditions for all the vegetation to dry and become perfect target for fires, either natural or man-made.
QuoteBegs the question .... is this part of an orchestrated plan to promote their climate change agenda?
They usually mention floods, rising ocean levels and higher temperatures, they don't mention fires, probably because they are not a good way of making money fast with some political scheme.
Seems there was a violent wind storm several weeks before the fire that blew down some power lines.
When the power company didn't fix the down power lines and returned power on, that's what started the fires.
Now I know about down power lines because we still have leaning power lines even after Katrina. Sounds reasonable to me.
But not letting people evacuate is unforgiveabe.
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 28, 2023, 01:18:39 PM
But not letting people evacuate is unforgiveabe.
I agree, but we should never underestimate people's stupidity.
My father used to tell a story about some army base in which, one day, they painted the benches near the entrance (something common in Portugal) and they told the sentinels not to let people sit on the benches because of the fresh paint.
Either because the message was not well transmitted or was not well understood, what was passed was only the prohibition, not the reason, so only some days later they noticed that there was an apparent order against using the benches and the situation was cleared.
In the case of not letting people evacuate I see the possibility of a similar situation, someone telling them not to let people pass in one direction (or assuming they would understand it was only in one direction) and they not allowing people pass in any direction.
Nobody in their right mind would stop people from evacuating orderly an area being affected by a fire.
But I also think that things are rarely as easy as we think, only when we are the ones living those situations do we see how things are, so the possibilities are many.
Quote from: micjer on August 25, 2023, 01:42:53 AM
Developers and investment groups swooping in to buy up propetties from folks that can't afford to rebuild, or have perished in fire.
And it seems a "little" bit more. It seems.
The more videos coming out about this fire, the more it looks far from normak.
What's up with the boats melting and catching fire in the marina for example
Quote from: micjer on September 01, 2023, 03:45:04 PM
What's up with the boats melting and catching fire in the marina for example
Depends on the boat's material and the distance to the fire it could be normal or suspicious.
Do you have a link to that video?
Other than a common cause, like Arson, or downed power lines, a Solar Flare could cause a EMP which would explain down services and cars bursting into flames and burning everything around them, instead of the other way around.
Think of the cars being like on an induction range, and the lines of the magnetic fields would allow some things to survive, and others right next to them to be liquified or vaporized.
Boats have engines and lots of metal, so they would burst into flames as well igniting fuel tanks.
Any structures that survived the Flare(s) would appear untouched or mysteriously saved by an unseen force.
Its like a natural and unnatural set of forces might have come together to create a scenario noone expected.
So why is the military and govt there so adamant about noone videoing or reporting on events and outcomes?
A bit fishy if you ask me.
Cheers?!
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on September 01, 2023, 11:01:21 PM
Other than a common cause, like Arson, or downed power lines, a Solar Flare could cause a EMP which would explain down services and cars bursting into flames and burning everything around them, instead of the other way around.
A solar flare wouldn't be localized to a small area.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 02, 2023, 01:23:18 AM
A solar flare wouldn't be localized to a small area.
Oh? So...when was the last time you or anyone who knew what one was observed one?
Not very recently Id guess.
So you have no idea what the behaviors of one would be, at least beyond a simple theory or reports from starstruck people after Carrington.
Also I suggested it may have been Part of a scenario, not the entire scenario.
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on September 02, 2023, 03:32:46 AM
Oh? So...when was the last time you or anyone who knew what one was observed one?
Not very recently Id guess.
I never saw one, as I do not have any special equipment to see one, but many astronomers have seen them in the images taken by those special equipment.
Being something originating from the Sun, it affects the Earth in the same way the light from the Sun does, it affects the "side" of the Earth facing it when the radiation reaches the Earth, it doesn't pick just part of a small island in the middle of the ocean.
There have been many solar flares and no report (as far as I know) of any special problems besides interferences with radio communications.
QuoteSo you have no idea what the behaviors of one would be, at least beyond a simple theory or reports from starstruck people after Carrington.
I don't have the slightest idea of what you are talking about.
QuoteAlso I suggested it may have been Part of a scenario, not the entire scenario.
You said "Solar Flare could cause a EMP which would explain down services and cars bursting into flames and burning everything around them".
If a solar flare could do that it would do it to the whole part of the Earth facing the Sun at the time.
ArMap my friend, Methinks youre debunking just for the sake of debunking is what Im saying, and not staying open minded as to how there may be features of a solar flare or emp we dont understand.
Mainstream scientists are wrong quite often, so just because their instruments dont tell them one thing doesnt mean that thing or something unseen as until now couldnt happen or be possible.
I still say it was part nature, part failure on a human level, and the human failure could be based on noone thinking a solar flare or emp could be more localized because the scientists told them it cant be.
Or maybe we are seeing a new phenomena, with elements of solar flares and emps but more unusual in nature.
We are flying through fields of radiation and electromagnetism that current mankind has never experienced.
But sure, go ahead and sit in your trench and dig up the same pottery shards that tell you the same things youve been being told for years.
Skepticism has a limit and being more open minded may set you free from the trench that traps so many who think they are digging for truth, but who are really just stuck in a hole that has nothing to offer but the same old dogmatic ideas and theories.
I think thats what happened here on this forum, was the free thought that flourished in past years was overly debunked and skepticized at the expense of members who found themselves speaking to a wall and not being able to entertain unique ideas because mainstream science says those ideas cannot be possible.
Now those hundreds who used to interact and discuss not only proven science, but fringe science too regardless of what the subject was, have left to go elsewhere.
Of course thats just my two cents...Im probably wrong as usual.😉
Cheers!
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on September 02, 2023, 06:06:04 PM
ArMap my friend, Methinks youre debunking just for the sake of debunking is what Im saying, and not staying open minded as to how there may be features of a solar flare or emp we dont understand.
Mainstream scientists are wrong quite often, so just because their instruments dont tell them one thing doesnt mean that thing or something unseen as until now couldnt happen or be possible.
Explain how something that happens in the Sun can affect only a very small part of the Earth's surface and not the rest.
QuoteI still say it was part nature, part failure on a human level, and the human failure could be based on noone thinking a solar flare or emp could be more localized because the scientists told them it cant be.
Or maybe we are seeing a new phenomena, with elements of solar flares and emps but more unusual in nature.
Why are you fixated on the solar flare idea? What evidence do you have that things happened like you said in a previous post?
QuoteSkepticism has a limit and being more open minded may set you free from the trench that traps so many who think they are digging for truth, but who are really just stuck in a hole that has nothing to offer but the same old dogmatic ideas and theories.
Being open minded includes accepting the possibility of the main stream science being right.
What concrete evidences do you have that fire, at least in some places, could have started because of EMP that burned cars from inside? Why are you proposing that idea?
QuoteI think thats what happened here on this forum, was the free thought that flourished in past years was overly debunked and skepticized at the expense of members who found themselves speaking to a wall and not being able to entertain unique ideas because mainstream science says those ideas cannot be possible.
Aren't you being close minded about people that ask for evidence instead of accepting any new idea that is proposed?
I don't have any problem with new points of view, but I need facts to make an opinion. Just because someone presents a new idea it doesn't mean that idea is right. It doesn't mean it's wrong either, it means it should be tested before being accepted, like all other ideas.
QuoteNow those hundreds who used to interact and discuss not only proven science, but fringe science too regardless of what the subject was, have left to go elsewhere.
That has happened in other forums too, and I blame Facebook and the impression it gave to many people that if they have "likes" then that means they are always right, so they started seeing any kind of disagreement as a personal attack.
Time to reflect on yourself my friend ArMap, the ball is in your court, you may want to sit back and take a moment to consider what caused discord here because it certainly wasnt facebook and it certainly wasnt people taking criticism wrongly, it was fairly obvious to many I have spoken to, I myself more than once being the victim of someones personal ire using terms of the forum as a crutch.
Look at the maybe a dozen or so of us who still are here, and ask yourself why noone other than these few chimes in anymore.
Maybe its because if the idea presented doesnt fit your mold, you bullet point their every statement, declaring yourself correct in every circumstance.
Why do you think I separate my paragraphs with a space?
To make it easier for you to do what you do best, reject and correct every single quote.
People will not really care about you doing that if you were just another member, but youre an admin, so instead of trying to fight through that stubborn wall of self importance they just find another place to discuss their thoughts.
Which is precisely why this forum went from hundreds of posts and replies a day to almost being an echo chamber.
I suspect you will find this all meaningless and disregard every word, but the first step to being an admin who is respected and admired in forum discussion is having an open mind and instead of deriding every thing you disagree with, thats the job of the community skeptic or debunker.
And, if noone ever points this out for whatever personal reasons, you will never hear it because they dont want to lose their relevance or place in the heirarchy.
I do like you, and enjoy some of the discussions we have had here and there, and am sure you would be someone I would find fascinating and fun to hang with, and that is exactly why I am saying all of this, because I know you have it in you to perfect what youre doing here, maybe even become better than anyone has ever been at it.
Take my words as an olive branch and a helpful hand, even if my ideas and theories are wilder or more puzzling to you than others you have adopted, we both have valid points in taking the time to come here and share instead of wasting it on the drones and zombies on social media somewhere.
Id love to see people coming here again, and have been told by many Ive invited after they came here they were made to feel ridiculed or demeaned by some of those mods and admins, so they just didnt come back, wouldnt it be cool if we could change that brother?
Wouldnt it be cool if this was a place like it was meant to be, a forum of discussion instead of round hole which only allows round pegs?
Much love to all here, no exceptions.
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on September 02, 2023, 11:30:41 PM
Maybe its because if the idea presented doesnt fit your mold, you bullet point their every statement, declaring yourself correct in every circumstance.
Some years ago people used to tell me that I used "in my opinion" too much, that it was obvious that what I was saying was my opinion. Maybe I shouldn't have stopped doing that.
Please show me where I have declared myself "correct in every instance".
QuotePeople will not really care about you doing that if you were just another member, but youre an admin, so instead of trying to fight through that stubborn wall of self importance they just find another place to discuss their thoughts.
Self importance? I'm a useless nobody on a forum, the only thing I can give is my time and my opinions.
If people think that, because I'm an admin I should not give my opinion (unless it follows their own opinions) I suppose I will stop posting.
ArMap, Youre never a nobody, and this forum is important, you should never sell yourself short.
Youve been a part of it longer than most, and you have seen what Im talking about here, its a simple formula to bring new folks in as Rock wanted to do recently by starting a FB page.
The desire is there but all must realize those who visit frequently and make a forum rich and worthy of visiting, are often more adaptive in their approach to disagreement or differences of opinion.
I guess it all boils down to does anyone here want this place to grow and attract new members?
And how can we all adjust to help that come to fruition?
And is that even what anyone wants?
Cheers?
Le
To try to keep the thread on focus I will answer by personal message, if you don't mind.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 03, 2023, 04:42:06 PM
To try to keep the thread on focus I will answer by personal message, if you don't mind.
Totally cool with me, I shared it here as I just wanted some eyes to see what may be helpful by being out there for them to see in the interest in the forum itself.
Cheers!
Le
Can solar flares be smaller in scale than most are aware of?
Can their effects be less widespread than previously believed possible?
Even if not, and the event in Lahaina was part of a solar flare or solar flare side effect, the island chain is surrounded by tens of thousands of square miles of open water so even if a solar flare caused an event that was widespread, only the island chain itself wouldve been noticeably affected.
This seems somewhat relevant to dig into.
QuoteAs recognizable as the phrase "the vast emptiness of space" is, the universe is anything but. At first glance, celestial objects are few and far between, but in reality, the universe is teeming with all sorts of substances like charged particles, gases, and cosmic rays.
One such driver of particles and energy through space is a phenomenon called magnetic reconnection. As the name suggests, magnetic reconnection is when two anti-parallel magnetic fields—as in two magnetic fields going in opposite directions—collide, break, and realign. As innocuous as it sounds, it is far from a calm process.
"This phenomenon is seen everywhere in the universe. At home you can see them in solar flares or in Earth's magnetosphere. When a solar flare builds up and appears to 'pinch' out a flare, that is a magnetic reconnection," explains Taichi Morita, assistant professor at Kyushu University's Faculty of Engineering Sciences and first author of the study. "In fact, auroras are formed as result of charged particles expelled from the magnetic reconnection in Earth's magnetic field."
Nonetheless, despite its common occurrence, many of the mechanisms behind the phenomena are a mystery.
Studies are being conducted, such as in NASA's Magnetospheric Multiscale Mission, where magnetic reconnections are studied in real time by satellites sent into Earth's magnetosphere.
However, things such as the speed of reconnection or how energy from the magnetic field is converted and distributed to the particles in the plasma remain unexplained.
Full article here: https://phys.org/news/2022-12-small-solar-flares-large-laser.amp (https://phys.org/news/2022-12-small-solar-flares-large-laser.amp)
RIP to all those who perished and to those affected, wishing a speedy recovery.
Le
Quote from: ArMaP on September 03, 2023, 01:10:01 AM
Self importance? I'm a useless nobody on a forum, the only thing I can give is my time and my opinions.
Armap, I consider you the opposite of useless. There was once an occasion where I was doubting my own worth, and you attempted to reassure me. Please allow me now to return the favour.
Quote from: petrus4 on September 04, 2023, 02:05:09 AM
Armap, I consider you the opposite of useless. There was once an occasion where I was doubting my own worth, and you attempted to reassure me. Please allow me now to return the favour.
Exactly! and howdy Petrus, great to see you here man!
ok here's my opinion
if Armap goes this place ceases to exist he is the one truly balanced human posting
as an admin he has stepped in curtiously with his opinion to keep things on and even keel
he has never called anyone stupid and has never been mean...
is he intitled to his opinion and questions YES
and here's even more of MY opinion
the bigiest reason this place went down hill is because of trump and politics being brought in and folks taking sides and then not tolerating any but their own opinion..than then Ron passed he wes the glue
is it ever going back to what it was...NO ... the world and humans have turned a bend and we've all turned preachy about stuff.
yes i have gone off topic and do not intend to continue with this
but i will stand for ARMAP as i have a deep appreciation for his voice and presences
and i wanted to wave to pets r us.... good to know you are still on this plane
Quote from: space otter on September 04, 2023, 04:47:50 PM
ok here's my opinion
if Armap goes this place ceases to exist he is the one truly balanced human posting
as an admin he has stepped in curtiously with his opinion to keep things on and even keel
he has never called anyone stupid and has never been mean...
is he intitled to his opinion and questions YES
and here's even more of MY opinion
the bigiest reason this place went down hill is because of trump and politics being brought in and folks taking sides and then not tolerating any but their own opinion..than then Ron passed he wes the glue
is it ever going back to what it was...NO ... the world and humans have turned a bend and we've all turned preachy about stuff.
yes i have gone off topic and do not intend to continue with this
but i will stand for ARMAP as i have a deep appreciation for his voice and presences
and i wanted to wave to pets r us.... good to know you are still on this plane
Okay...my last reply here on this, I pinky promise lol.
Space Otter, I Fully agree, I never called for him to go anywhere...in fact I just asked him to polish and tune his approach a bit, consider unique and fringe ideas with more openness, and become the inner forum leader he is, such as Zorgon was.
I see ArMap as the primary person here who has kept the threads going and always shares an opinion that is useful, I feel he should be considered as the leader of the forum in many ways and we can always help our leader by sharing our ideas or things we see in them to make them a better person and member.
I see a lot of the finer points Zorgon had in ArMap, we chatted on PM yesterday and shared some ideas to make this place more approachable and fun for new arrivals.
We also clarified our thoughts and I felt it was a very constructive discussion we had.
I think we can see a shift towards growing again here if we can all take each persons strengths and build on them, and Im excited for whats possible.
I think we all(the dozen or so who have been active) know exactly what it takes to get the forum back to bringing in different angles and ideas, and look forward to doing just that with the tools I personally have, working together and not micromanaging things to take the wind away from each others sails.
Yes, some just are tired of politics and really all people need to realize is theyre all trash, all politicians, and picking sides just deprives us of a well rounded life. Thats what they want us to do is be divided, and for me Im tired of being divided by characters who use that as a tool to distract us.So lets beat them up all we want, but not demean or reduce anyones importance in their own beliefs and ideologies.
I know I have been abrupt and one sided myself as well many times and I am working on that, because its not really who I am at heart, I just let all this flow of incessant psyops anger and disillusion me for the last few years.
We all can find ways to improve ourselves for the team effort.
I may seem like the a-hole for my honest effort here to rekindle some new membership into what Zorgon and John started here years ago, and Im not one to shy away and ignore the importance of baby steps, or simple fixes.
Much respect for all here.
Le
One thing I have learned, is that there needs to be a huge amount of Fact checking on things that are posted on the internet.
ArMaP is like our very own fact checker on here.
If we all agreed on everything, it makes it easier to be misled.
Back to the main topic of this thread, I just don't think this is an ordinary fire and I want to see the evidence, not just gossip.
Some buildings were spared because they had steel siding and rooves, while other things burnt that really were not close to the fire.
I watched one video where cars in parking lot were totally burnt/melted, while a plastic shopping cart was unhurt within 2 feet of the burnt out car. That is not normal.
Quote from: micjer on September 05, 2023, 04:07:15 AM
One thing I have learned, is that there needs to be a huge amount of Fact checking on things that are posted on the internet.
ArMaP is like our very own fact checker on here.
If we all agreed on everything, it makes it easier to be misled.
Back to the main topic of this thread, I just don't think this is an ordinary fire and I want to see the evidence, not just gossip.
Some buildings were spared because they had steel siding and rooves, while other things burnt that really were not close to the fire.
I watched one video where cars in parking lot were totally burnt/melted, while a plastic shopping cart was unhurt within 2 feet of the burnt out car. That is not normal.
Im thinking along these lines at this point too Micjer, theres got to be another element besides a simple wind driven fire, maybe natural maybe not, the cars in a grass field melted at a ridiculous level.
Solar Flare/EMP/flying squirrels...who knows
Oprah and The Rock now? Jeez Louise!
As usual something stinks with the approved narrative.
Le
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd7u99t6JhU
Fear is the only thing to fear.
Why do they call our armed forces "Defence", they are war forces to kill.
Lots of people in little huts with computer screens directing murder.
Kevin
https://youtu.be/Bs3o3z0G8tw?si=bYEqJFM20NuXg0vd
Here is some evidence
This botonist thinks there was a microwave energy involved.
Fascinating proof.
A must watch
Likely will be taken down by the PTB
Space lasers maybe...I heard theres a place near Lahaina that operates a directed energy research program...hmmm...could they have pulled a Wuhan special and "accidentally" let a blast out into the area?
Also turns out many of the rich folks had private firefighting teams protecting their massive mansions, while Lahainas water was turned off due to power outages.
Who will enforce the globalist decisions as we go forward?
With the major influx of fighting age young angry men, the militaries of the west will soon be turned on the people of the west and those "refugees" will have no problem executing any orders the globalists send down.
We are being attacked from so many angles, things are going to pop if it is allowed to continue.
Theyre making everyone go broke and hitting wallets hard by forcing prices up in every segment of life.
Soon the recession will be impossible to ignore, and foreclosures will soar and predictions say an alarming number of homes will go back to the banks in the first few months after it begins.
So in Maui...
Why not start destroying highly desirable property to seize it from owners?
And using fire to clean the land and leave it ready for new construction,
Oprah and the Rock are disgusting examples of this attack on our sanity
Lets donate to billionaires so they can skim off the vast majority of the money...the sheeple are going for it hook line and sinker.
Luckily theyve only been given a few thousand dollars so far, maybe theres hope after all and even the most brain dead folks have had enough
Prepare your pressure washers because the fan is about to be buried in shite, as it hits society like an avalanche.
Also stay vigilant because we havent seen anything yet from these homicidal megalomaniacs.
Prayers for all as it unfolds❤️
Le
Quote from: micjer on September 05, 2023, 12:57:24 PM
https://youtu.be/Bs3o3z0G8tw?si=bYEqJFM20NuXg0vd
Here is some evidence
This botonist thinks there was a microwave energy involved.
Fascinating proof.
A must watch
Likely will be taken down by the PTB
That video I watched yesterday and he shares a lot of shocking facts and info about how trees burn or dont and how impossible it is for what we see in Lahaina to be a natural occurence.
Everyone here should watch it in its entirety methinks.
Every day Im inching closer to believing this was not fully a natural event, and the evidence is building for that possibility quickly.
Emps, solar flares, microwaves...all of them attack metal objects first which would explain the melted cars laying in dirt fields with patchy grass where there wasnt enough fuel to cook a hot dog.
The metal objects may well have ignited the organic ones.
Not the other way around.
If its so, these people have no boundaries, and we are under severe duress at the hand of the wealthiest people with the most resourxes to assure we cannot fight back.
Bunch of sick f$&ks if you ask me.
Le
I know ArMaP likes to see evidence and photos.
I don't know how to download photos from videos, but in the above video he has a lot that back up his theory.
There is a grass roofed restaurant in the middle of this city.
Logic says it should have been the first to catch fire....guess what it is still standing no damage.
Takes water in the plant to react to microwaves,
Photos if plastic garbage bins beside house fire, not melted.
Umbrellas at a restaurant that burnt still in good shape. Not even any holes burnt in them.
There are a couple photos of boats way out in harbor that ArMaP wanted to see.
Sick bas#@rds indeed.
There should be a human outcry for all of the missing children if nothing else
Quote from: micjer on September 06, 2023, 01:19:01 AM
There should be a human outcry for all of the missing children if nothing else
Do you ever wonder how many people, not just children, simply disappear every year? It's easy to not notice if it's not happening around us.
In an 8 billion crowded world, what are a few million, right? No one cares.
i see many implications in the above statament btw.
Quote from: Littleenki on September 03, 2023, 02:51:45 AM
ArMap, Youre never a nobody, and this forum is important, you should never sell yourself short.
Its ArMaP! LE you forgot the capital p, and I am VERY proud to be the one that invited him here. Yes, he is a stutborn. Can be a pain. And is senior on ats. Adm for the former 3 amigos.
The forum's administrator is the compass that guides rich and meaningful discussions within the community! ArMaP delivers.
Ice particles ;D
Quote from: Littleenki on September 04, 2023, 03:14:15 AM
Exactly! and howdy Petrus, great to see you here man!
Thank you, LittleEnki. It has been a long time. I was actually only reminded of this place by a seeming accident, although as we all know, there are no real accidents, are there? I have been deep in the AI/language model rabbit hole for the last nine months, although it has been enjoyable. My hardware isn't really up to the task, but I even have a couple of local models on my own system now.
How has everyone been?
Quote from: petrus4 on September 08, 2023, 10:48:58 AM
Thank you, LittleEnki. It has been a long time. I was actually only reminded of this place by a seeming accident, although as we all know, there are no real accidents, are there? I have been deep in the AI/language model rabbit hole for the last nine months, although it has been enjoyable. My hardware isn't really up to the task, but I even have a couple of local models on my own system now.
How has everyone been?
Thats pretty cool Petrus, Ill admit much of the AI is pretty beyond my scope of understanding, but Ill also admit some of the weird AI commercials on youtube for pizza and stuff has me pretty damn worried.
ArMaP I think is quite astute when it comes to AI I believe.
Bet you guys could crack some codes together here!
Le
Quote from: petrus4 on September 08, 2023, 10:48:58 AM
Thank you, LittleEnki. It has been a long time. I was actually only reminded of this place by a seeming accident, although as we all know, there are no real accidents, are there? I have been deep in the AI/language model rabbit hole for the last nine months, although it has been enjoyable. My hardware isn't really up to the task, but I even have a couple of local models on my own system now.
How has everyone been?
Sorry to hear that Your hardware isn't up to it, must be a pill or two to cure that?
Just joking.
Kevin
According to some organisations, China is spreading false information about the fires.
QuoteWhen wildfires swept across Maui last month with destructive fury, China's increasingly resourceful information warriors pounced.
The disaster was not natural, they said in a flurry of false posts that spread across the internet, but was the result of a secret "weather weapon" being tested by the United States. To bolster the plausibility, the posts carried photographs that appeared to have been generated by artificial intelligence programs, making them among the first to use these new tools to bolster the aura of authenticity of a disinformation campaign.
QuoteThe impact of the Chinese campaign — identified by researchers from Microsoft, Recorded Future, the RAND Corporation, NewsGuard and the University of Maryland — is difficult to measure, though early indications suggest that few social media users engaged with the most outlandish of the conspiracy theories.
QuoteIf China does engage in influence operations for the election next year, U.S. intelligence officials have assessed in recent months, it is likely to try to diminish President Biden and raise the profile of former President Donald J. Trump. While that may seem counterintuitive to Americans who remember Mr. Trump's effort to blame Beijing for what he called the "China virus," the intelligence officials have concluded that Chinese leaders prefer Mr. Trump. He has called for pulling Americans out of Japan, South Korea and other parts of Asia, while Mr. Biden has cut off China's access to the most advanced chips and the equipment made to produce them.
China's promotion of a conspiracy theory about the fires comes after Mr. Biden vented in Bali last fall to Xi Jinping, China's president, about Beijing's role in the spread of such disinformation. According to administration officials, Mr. Biden angrily criticized Mr. Xi for the spread of false accusations that the United States operated biological weapons laboratories in Ukraine.
QuoteRecorded Future first reported that the Chinese government mounted a covert campaign to blame a "weather weapon" for the fires, identifying numerous posts in mid-August falsely claiming that MI6, the British foreign intelligence service, had revealed "the amazing truth behind the wildfire." Posts with the exact language appeared on social media sites across the internet, including Pinterest, Tumblr, Medium and Pixiv, a Japanese site used by artists.
Other inauthentic accounts spread similar content, often accompanied with mislabeled videos, including one from a popular TikTok account, The Paranormal Chic, that showed a transformer explosion in Chile. According to Recorded Future, the Chinese content often echoed — and amplified — posts by conspiracy theorists and extremists in the United States, including white supremacists.
The Chinese campaign operated across many of the major social media platforms — and in many languages, suggesting it was aimed at reaching a global audience. Microsoft's Threat Analysis Center identified inauthentic posts in 31 languages, including French, German and Italian, but also in less prominent ones like Igbo, Odia and Guarani.
The artificially generated images of the Hawaii wildfires identified by Microsoft's researchers appeared on multiple platforms, including a Reddit post in Dutch. "These specific A.I.-generated images appear to be exclusively used" by Chinese accounts used in this campaign, Microsoft said in a report. "They do not appear to be present elsewhere online."
Source (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/11/us/politics/china-disinformation-ai.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20230912)
Adds an intetesting twist.
Thats why I am relying on vids and testimony from the survivors
Quote from: ArMaP on September 12, 2023, 12:29:51 PM
According to some organisations, China is spreading false information about the fires.
Is this a bait ArMaP? To diverge from the actual weirdness our reality is into? I thought the problem was russia in ukraine. Btw, that is lost cause. If you think laundry money is a thing, those people are quite painted in red.
How about aliens?
Quote from: RUSSO on September 12, 2023, 04:40:22 PM
Is this a bait ArMaP? To diverge from the actual weirdness our reality is into?
I don't have the slightest idea, you have to ask them.
Obviously.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 12, 2023, 07:23:39 PM
I don't have the slightest idea, you have to ask them.
Obviously.
Obviously what? I dont understand. please explain.
Quote from: RUSSO on September 12, 2023, 07:53:42 PM
Obviously what? I dont understand. please explain.
Obviously you have to ask them if it's a bait, not me.
Unless you were asking me if my post was a bait.
If that was the case then the answer is "no".
Obviously.
(Obviously because I do not use bait)
https://youtu.be/RuWtCL6S7cs?si=QNXDD3fzeRwEq6Bq
Testimony that police intentionly trapped people in fire area.