There is a news article out today titled "Amish farm kids remarkably immune to allergies: study". What this study shows is that Amish children have a very very low incidence of allergy related problems. Well, maybe, coincidentally, or maybe not coincidentally, the Amish also seem to have almost a non-existent experience with autism, according to another article I found today.
Now, to me, this is extremely interesting, and maybe very telling, relative to potential sources for cause, of some of our medical problems. The Amish live very simply, drink fresh raw milk, and in the main do not vaccinate their children. And there are many other differences in the way they live their lives.
One would think, answers to questions this subject might raise, could be fairly well answered in a short time of study (if answers really wanted to be found). Real "answers" could change and improve the lives of many.
Anyway, I thought this might be of interest to some of you, so I am posting links to two articles, one related to allergies, and the other related to a search for autism in one Amish community area. If there exists any other good relative info, I will post that for you also.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/amish-farm-kids-remarkably-immune-allergies-study-200835366.html
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/olmsted.html
As I understand it, the Amish are also not afraid to get their hands dirty and don't have the germ phobia that many of the "English" have. That would probably account for the lack of allergies. Autism? Not so sure anyone has that one figured out.
Shasta
Quote from: Shasta56 on May 06, 2012, 02:21:11 AM
As I understand it, the Amish are also not afraid to get their hands dirty and don't have the germ phobia that many of the "English" have. That would probably account for the lack of allergies. Autism? Not so sure anyone has that one figured out.
Shasta
Indeed, Shasta! It seems there are a host of differences from us to them.
Autism is usually linked to vaccinations, but I have a feeling it is a dna issue, and is getting worse!
We damage our children's dna with all the crap we feed them, and deprive them of antibodies when we clean their every nook and cranny. Keep having too many children America, and overpopulation will be the real problem!
As far as germs go, the kids who pick their nose and bite their nails are the ones who stay the healthiest...dont ask me how I know! :O
Organic food is another answer to their seemingly healthy existence, and good gardening skills are a must for the young amish before they can move forward in the community.
I wouldnt mind a few weeks of amish training, and we all could learn a lot from the simple folk they are. Oh wait, we already knew all of that, and the corporate world took it from us with their gm foods, and pesticides that cripple our dna everyday.
Ouch!
Littleenki
When I had My daughter, I chose to not worry about dirt. I wiped Her face with plain water, but did not concern Myself with keeping "germs" away. She has been astonishingly healthy - though My sister did have Her vaccinated against My intense protest.
The Amish have a better clue than most of Us.
if the amish only had beaches!:)
Le
There seems to be a HUGE push in the USA to prevent ANYONE from consuming raw milk or any milk from a cow that has not been whacked with big time steroids and antibiotics. The paranoid side of me asks why the aggressive tactics? Why do we have to consume GMO foods? Why is there no way we can demand GMO free labeling? Dairy is something we consume from birth, it is a telling observation that the Amish are free of so many ailments that we English suffer. I swear that this over protection that we as a society do to ourselves causes more problems than good. I agree with the above poster about allowing my kids to experience outdoors without a bubble surrounding them. I have some family members who are so phobic about germs that they will be the ones that catch everything, go on a 5 day z-pack and later become immune to all antibiotics.
Perhaps the big pharm, big brother, and the fear monger media will be the downfall of many.
There will be a day where it will become illegal for us to grow our own fruit and veg, grow our own meats, and God forbid, buy seeds that aren't monsanto.
Heaven help us all.
Quote from: shadow-watcher on May 06, 2012, 08:48:53 PM
There seems to be a HUGE push in the USA to prevent ANYONE from consuming raw milk or any milk from a cow that has not been whacked with big time steroids and antibiotics. The paranoid side of me asks why the aggressive tactics? Why do we have to consume GMO foods? Why is there no way we can demand GMO free labeling? Dairy is something we consume from birth, it is a telling observation that the Amish are free of so many ailments that we English suffer. I swear that this over protection that we as a society do to ourselves causes more problems than good. I agree with the above poster about allowing my kids to experience outdoors without a bubble surrounding them. I have some family members who are so phobic about germs that they will be the ones that catch everything, go on a 5 day z-pack and later become immune to all antibiotics.
Perhaps the big pharm, big brother, and the fear monger media will be the downfall of many.
There will be a day where it will become illegal for us to grow our own fruit and veg, grow our own meats, and God forbid, buy seeds that aren't monsanto.
Heaven help us all.
The reason is not Us. It is a concerted and deviant plot against Us to ensure We are ill and need medical "help." It is mindfully and purposefully perpetrated. The why should be very clear. They want Us dead - slowly, so They can leach out all Our money first.
If they are thinking along the lines of the Georgia guidestones, then my question is who would be the sheep if we were all killed off?
I think maybe we are the cattle and are kept dependent and docile so we will be productive. In the long run money would become useless if we as a society were thinned out too much. Fat and content would be to their advantage. We would need those drugs and the modified foods to keep us working into old age.
They are happy with a small "herd." Half a billion is easily controlled. Now that They have free energy and robots, Humans are mostly useless to Them. Except as sex toys. And experiments. And outlets for Their psychopathic whims.
When my daughter was young, I always said if she got dirty she could be washed. I've heard the argument that vaccines cause autism. I'm not convinced. I know it's a life changing situation for entire families, but so are complications from the "childhood diseases." I know that my daughter and my grandkids got through their vaccinations without ill effect. I can't say the same for me when it comes to flu vaccines.
Shasta
I always pass on seasonal shots. It was a bit of contention for me working in the health field.
I would tell them to use mine on the elderly who needed it more. Honestly, I don't get sick much and rarely get the flu, so I pass.
Some places would actually fire you for refusing, I had to sign a declination sheet.
Quote from: Shasta56 on May 06, 2012, 10:02:51 PM
When my daughter was young, I always said if she got dirty she could be washed. I've heard the argument that vaccines cause autism. I'm not convinced. I know it's a life changing situation for entire families, but so are complications from the "childhood diseases." I know that my daughter and my grandkids got through their vaccinations without ill effect. I can't say the same for me when it comes to flu vaccines.
Shasta
I really have no informed knowledge about vaccinations vs autism, but, I have read about a few personal and direct experiences of people and their associations with autism. And for me, it is a little hard to discount a vaccination/autism "link", if the first signs of autism occur within only hours of the vaccinations having being given. I don't know how prevalent that situation is, but that is the scenario, for certain, for at least some of the autism cases. And that is why so many "parents" believe the vaccinations really are the real cause of autism.
There is likely various articles on the net that discuss both sides of thought. I did mention in the OP that I might post other items of interest, so, here is a link I just found titled "AUTISM - Currently one in every 68 families in America has an autistic child". This article does provide a little more history for us, and opens more reason for concern. Of course, this has been a huge concern for many families and others now for a long long time. Just not much has been done to bring to light the true fact of this "autism devil".
http://www.advancedhealthplan.com/autism.html
I worked at a place that threatened to fire a pregnant nurse for following her obstetrician's directive to not get a flu shot.
It may be that vaccines can trigger latent autism in some children, but I'm not a neurologist, so I don't think I can say for sure, either way.
Shasta
I an certain that there is a direct link between autism and "vaccines." So many kids are bright, healthy and normal - and then become autistic within a week of having the jab.
Many, many, many.
So, for those whose children did not show immediate effects... SV40 can take decades to cause cancer. Keep that in mind. Just because there was no autism caused does NOT mean there was no damage.
Amaterasu makes a good point. I didn't have trouble with flu vaccines until that last one. It sent my immune sytem into overdrive. I looked like I had a string of beads implanted in my neck because the lymph nodes were so swollen.
Shasta
Shasta
i have a real hard time believing you got a flu shot
was it mandatory for your job?
i have a friend in texas..a nurse and she had no choice
if she wanted to keep her job..
she's still angry about it
I got a flu shot once, because it was mandatory for my job, and the last time, when it made me so darn sick, because I'd had the flu two years in a row. I don't care to repeat those experiences, so I'm really between a rock and a hard place now. This flu season I settled for a two month bout with walking pneumonia. I may have to invest in something similar to what SpongeBob's friend Sandy Cheeks wears. Yes, I'm at the point of possibly dressing like a cartoon character. SIGH.
Shasta
Quote from: Shasta56 on May 07, 2012, 01:46:45 PM
I got a flu shot once, because it was mandatory for my job, and the last time, when it made me so darn sick, because I'd had the flu two years in a row. I don't care to repeat those experiences, so I'm really between a rock and a hard place now. This flu season I settled for a two month bout with walking pneumonia. I may have to invest in something similar to what SpongeBob's friend Sandy Cheeks wears. Yes, I'm at the point of possibly dressing like a cartoon character. SIGH.
Shasta
Greetings:
An interesting point to interject here might be that I have never had any flu shots - or any other 'vaccine' 'mandated' by TPTB while in the government school system in Western Colorado.
No shots - ever.
And I do not get sick... at all.
Never have.
My father was sure the government was 'up to no good' and it caused quite a squabble in the tiny hamlet because I was the ONLY one that did not get 'saved."
Yes, I said saved, because the school board was like a pack of ravenous dogs fighting over the last weeney at a picnic when a special meeting was called to 'solve my problem," and address why I, alone, refused inoculation.
It was almost 'un-American'...
Dad, being a psychologist, writer, publisher, took them to task and demanded to see their 'mandate'
that ALL children MUST have the shot. Guess what?
Needless to say, I did not get approached ever again (in Riverside Grade School) to 'take it like a man like everyone else'...
And then there is all those years with the Wollensak and pillow speakers - I never took a book home from school and was always at the top of my class. Actually, not true...I was Salutatorian, not Valedictorian at graduation because I did not care and the other guy was my best friend - and he did care...
And now, here in the relative safety of the North Georgia mountains, 50 years later, I am only now returning to yesteryear in my thoughts - spurred by the peeps and events at LM...
Whodathunk?
Good on you,
Zorgon.
You certainly have an interesting stew to tend by putting all us 'kids' together and watch the cauldron bubble and boil and the sparks fly...
And good on you for allowing
AlphaTangoSpookz to filter the peeps for you...
Peace Love Light
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Indeed, TFW, Zorgon is the master of assembling the necessary components to make the machine purr like a kitten!
I was at one of those meetings, with the Christian ministers who attempted to make a little christian boy out of me with their bible, which I do read and respect, and my mother was convinced I needed to go to a special three week course in North carolina called windy gap, where they brainwash....I mean cater,;) to the kids every whim. Upon arrival there, I was told we had to go directly to bible study and start cleansing ourselves through Christ.
Well, that was the start of a battle majeur for me, and the beginning of my open minded personality, I so treasure.
As the days wore on, we would climb a hill, ride a horse, and study the bible for hours afterwards as our "reward for being good"
On the second week, the SHTF. I asked the study leader, why he believed the bible was true, and how he could prove it.
At that point I wasnt so smart, or crafty with semantics, so he took me to the wood shed, until I realized he never gave me any proof whatsoever. So, I challenged him daily, until the call was made to " come get your boy! "
I flew home early, and never went back. My mother and father never pushed me in any way about religion, and allowed me to make my own decisions about what to believe. I refused all vaccinations, and as I got over six foot and 200 lbs, they werent giving me any shots, without a serious black eye and some broken bones. their's of course, not mine LOL!
The only time I got shots again was in the navy, and even then I didnt go to the appointed dental and medical visits, and as the navy has it's adminstrative head up it proverbial butt, they didnt even notice.
Since those days, ive seen a doctor once for a pinched nerve in my neck, and refused the pills she offered. I have not taken any pills, or other medications(z packs etc.) and have hardly ever been sick at all.
I will admit to smoking a little pot for these last twenty five years, but that stopped instantly early this year, overnight.
No holes in my body for any reason, unless its from a pinfish's spines..LOL!
No pills but an occasional aleve!
organic whenever possible, and I am quite the accomplished veg gardener as a result of this careful control of my intake.
Someday, I would like to visit this cool area you speak of, and see what Georgia holds for us, as Ive thought recently about moving there, and starting an organic farm of some kind, so any info you want to pm or post is welcome!
Cheers!
Littleenki
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well i am in western pa. and vacinations are now mandatory for kids to start school
i do see the news cause i am a weather junkie and can't miss that ..lol
anyway..the big thing now is that soooooooooo many kids are in cyber school that
the school districts are losing money..cause the cyber school get so much per kid
lmao
really..?...
guess what you morons.
.the kids sitting in front of a computer don't need your idiot shots
and some parents have figured that out ...yeahhhhh
way back when i could not figure how 1984 and big brother could happen
but the psychology of advertising has made it happen and the dumb bunnies
just line up for more
i have given up the preaching to others as 'shoot the messenger' is common
amoung the hypnotised.
my mother who is 90 took the flu shot for a couple of years and spend the month of nov in bed each time..deathly sick...i finally convinced her to just stop for one year...she did and hasn't had a shot since...tells all her friends and they don't believe her..
i refuse to pay for health insurance for the simple reason that if they can't get money
they will do less to me if i am carted in unconscious..and that's the only way i would get there
i won't visit anyone in those places...
i will send a plant with orders to help....the plant croaks and the patience gets outta there
no worries the plant is always a volunteer
too much info..sorry
:o
From: http://www.infowars.com/vaccine-bombshell-baby-monkeys-given-popular-vaccines-develop-autism-symptoms/
Quote(NaturalNews) If vaccines play absolutely no role in the development of childhood autism, a claim made by many medical authorities today, then why are some of the most popular vaccines commonly administered to children demonstrably causing autism in animal primates? This is the question many people are now asking after a recent study conducted by scientists at the University of Pittsburgh (UP) in Pennsylvania revealed that many of the infant monkeys given standard doses of childhood vaccines as part of the new research developed autism symptoms.
For their analysis, Laura Hewitson and her colleagues at UP conducted the type of proper safety research on typical childhood vaccination schedules that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) should have conducted — but never has — for such regimens. And what this brave team discovered was groundbreaking, as it completely deconstructs the mainstream myth that vaccines are safe and pose no risk of autism.
Yes, there really IS a connection.
Friends, I will keep this short and to the point; want to find the problem with most all "vaccines"? Look at the preservative used, commonly thimerasol, a derivative of mercury...
four winds, I also am in georgia, north west near the 'bama border ;D
good work, friends, organic and natural is the only healthy and safe way...
seeker
Quote from: Amaterasu on May 08, 2012, 02:09:32 AM
From: http://www.infowars.com/vaccine-bombshell-baby-monkeys-given-popular-vaccines-develop-autism-symptoms/
Yes, there really IS a connection.
Again Amaterasu, thanks for posting this additional powerhouse information. Really incredible that we haven't heard much, if anything, about this in our general news media. It is unbelievable, and inexcusable, that this has, seemingly, been mostly kept from the public. This I would have remembered if I had seen it.
For anyone interested, there is a link at the bottom of your bombshell article that is described as "this thorough analysis of the study by Catherine J. Frompovich of VacTruth.com". It does include a fair amount of interesting detail and discussion.
It is so sad, that we (whoever) have allowed this dastardly Autism affliction to not only continue, but to exacerbate uncontrolled, when it seems the mercury content of these vaccines have always been known to present possible damaging results to humans.
If our government representatives have been a part of this, whenever, then they too should be faced with the full extent of the law, if possible.
http://vactruth.com/2012/04/29/monkeys-get-autism/
Otherwise, it is a good day!! ;D
It is so sad, that we (whoever) have allowed this dastardly Autism affliction to not only continue, but to exacerbate uncontrolled, when it seems the mercury content of these vaccines have always been known to present possible damaging results to humans.
If our government representatives have been a part of this, whenever, then they too should be faced with the full extent of the law, if possible.
Yep, theres the proof, and thank god it's from a reputable think tank and not some side alley science lab with it's hands stuffed in their pockets.
My opinion on vaccines and autism lays in the many folks Ive met and worked with who have it.
As a government entity, what would be the best kind of citizen for your new world agenda?
A person with no real personality, who challenges nothing, and has the mind of a genius(typically)
How do these entities acheive this citizen?
Vaccines with a genetically engineered ingredient that kills the exterior thought pattern, and enhances the deductional thinking at the same time......A robot, with a 180 IQ, who never has the desire to disobey or assert themselves, due to autism.
I do believe the autism epidemic is created and perfected by the Big Pharma, and just look at what all their other products do...Oxycodone, various anti depressants(mind melters) and the whole host of pills for the whole host of stuff they say you have.
Why do I have an open mind? because at a young age,my parents and I actively refused vaccinations, and wasnt forced to get them. I physically denied the doctors any chance to give them to me from the age of 13, when i was 6 foot, 200 lbs, and nearing my brown belt in uechi ryu. The schools gave up on me when i was 14, and I never got another shot til the navy, where I only got the ones they forced on me.(2 or 3)I never go to doctors unless Im dying or paralyzed in pain, and it's only for a xray or verification I dont have something serious. I never get sick, and never take any pills except aleve.
Many of my friends who are my age(47), have been exhibiting signs of minor autism for years, and most of the people I know from school are lifeless zombies with zero personality. They all have followed the mainstream's path by having 2.2 children, and bringing themselves to the same level of sensability as the kids. it's like hanging out with a bunch of ten year olds, when we go somewhere with people my age.
And I have several friends with autistic grandchildren, who are quite upset about this whole shooting match. Yet they studiously march the kids in for shots every year, and it gets worse.
Where will it end? it wont as most are lemmings for the cliff, and are falling like so many dry leaves to their ultimate demise.
Poiltical suicide?....this is more like collective suicide, and we keep listening to the Pharma and doing as they say.
Not me, folks, and anyone here dealing with these issues, I truly wish you well in your battle. We need to help win the war, though, so be aware, and alert to your doctor, as he is part of the problem, and makes a kickback for every shot given.....is that right?
Heck no! Stop the rewards for killing kids, and strangling furtherment of our young adults.
Stop taking those pills,if you can, and know what youre taking when you do.
eat and serve only organic food with known sources, and teach your children the importance of only putting the right things on their diet plan.
Good will, and good luck with your children!
Littleenki
Most welcome. I knew - but I suppose on a gut level initially (seems MY talents have a bit of sensitivity for truth resonance) - that the vaccines were absolutely involved. And then the data began piling up and then I was certain. And now this. Yeah, vaccines are evil.
Excellent article - I have a 10 month old healthy un-vaccinated to date..however, my wife and I just
returned from his 1st Dr.'s visit since birth for well child check - and guess what? I informed Dr. Winters
at Plains Regional Medical Center in Clovis, NM - I re-presented Dr. Winters that vaccines are NOT mandatory but recommended - to include HepB administered at 10 hour from birth - which we opted out of - to make a long story short - Dr. Winter's imposed her Big Pharma propaganda of the dumbing down of society via man made vaccines..I re-presented the actual law per State & CDC (corrupt CDC) - Dr. Winter's went on a 10 minute rant and printed out and gave to us - the hazards of NOT vaccinating our son - I re-presented her with the vidification of Dr. Wakefield's original research as published by the Lancet - as being proven scientific fact - Dr. Winter's didn't want to hear or read it - I called her out - she didn't address our son's concerns, we left the facility, I reported her to PRES ethics chairperson - I received an apologetical call from PRES ethics chair..
I referenced the control group of the Amish 1-10,000 vs 1-88 USA Autism rate - due to Thimerosal - 48% mercury & other toxic additives..
Our son is a living, breathing example of natural human that is far ahead of the curve of current children his age..just say NO to vaccines - newborns internal organs are not equipped to handle foreign toxins..
Good for You, dij! I think that's AWESOME! You are an excellent parent, and Your child is very lucky to have You as a parent.
Quote from: dijordinchen12 on May 08, 2012, 10:41:23 PM
Excellent article - I have a 10 month old healthy un-vaccinated to date..however, my wife and I just
returned from his 1st Dr.'s visit since birth for well child check - and guess what? I informed Dr. Winters
at Plains Regional Medical Center in Clovis, NM - I re-presented Dr. Winters that vaccines are NOT mandatory but recommended - to include HepB administered at 10 hour from birth - which we opted out of - to make a long story short - Dr. Winter's imposed her Big Pharma propaganda of the dumbing down of society via man made vaccines..I re-presented the actual law per State & CDC (corrupt CDC) - Dr. Winter's went on a 10 minute rant and printed out and gave to us - the hazards of NOT vaccinating our son - I re-presented her with the vidification of Dr. Wakefield's original research as published by the Lancet - as being proven scientific fact - Dr. Winter's didn't want to hear or read it - I called her out - she didn't address our son's concerns, we left the facility, I reported her to PRES ethics chairperson - I received an apologetical call from PRES ethics chair..
I referenced the control group of the Amish 1-10,000 vs 1-88 USA Autism rate - due to Thimerosal - 48% mercury & other toxic additives..
Our son is a living, breathing example of natural human that is far ahead of the curve of current children his age..just say NO to vaccines - newborns internal organs are not equipped to handle foreign toxins..
Well, good for you, and good for your son! Many doctors are probably more understanding, hopefully, but with the "evidence" how can they not at least understand all parent's concerns for their children.
Has this been an "aim for the target, and expect a certain acceptable number of casualities action", by Pharma and government representatives. IE, "the expected good out weighs the negatives of Autism, as well as possibly other health issues"??? ???
We have not heard the last of this, by a long shot!
Quote from: the seeker on May 08, 2012, 02:33:50 AM
Friends, I will keep this short and to the point; want to find the problem with most all "vaccines"? Look at the preservative used, commonly thimerasol, a derivative of mercury...
four winds, I also am in georgia, north west near the 'bama border ;D
good work, friends, organic and natural is the only healthy and safe way...
seeker
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