>:(Well I guess I am more dangerous to GLP than John is . Is this a good thing or a bad thing ?I can't believe I am not even allowed to browse the site . I think maybe they only want paid members, well middle finger to them!!
Wow. How very odd! Yeah, You ARE a danger! LOL! ::)
Be proud to be banned.
Wear Your banned medals with pride....I do.
I am too a long time annoyance to the clown.
The closer to the truth You reach, the more bans You will be subjected to, it appears that certain posters are full time across multiple forums employed to block and ban those hitting the nervous system of this system.
It can be very annoying as common sense and any reasonable logic doesn't apply.
My latest BAN from the hut stated that just because I could load a site doesn't mean that I have to read it??????????
Riddle Me that one batman???
MY logic was then said to be as moronic as Linda Browns.
That part was a relief.
We should form a band???
hobbit
Quote from: hobbit on May 11, 2012, 10:37:37 PM
Be proud to be banned.
Wear Your banned medals with pride....I do.
I am too a long time annoyance to the clown.
The closer to the truth You reach, the more bans You will be subjected to, it appears that certain posters are full time across multiple forums employed to block and ban those hitting the nervous system of this system.
It can be very annoying as common sense and any reasonable logic doesn't apply.
My latest BAN from the hut stated that just because I could load a site doesn't mean that I have to read it??????????
Riddle Me that one batman???
MY logic was then said to be as moronic as Linda Browns.
That part was a relief.
We should form a band???
hobbit
Are you referring to "psycho clown"?........grrrrrrrr!!
Quote from: hoss58 on May 12, 2012, 12:17:32 AM
Are you referring to "psycho clown"?........grrrrrrrr!!
The very self same.
A wordsmith.
Very computer savvy.
ALWAYS pushing the CCs are man made.
Some which are, but it's the ones which are made otherwise that He distracts attention from.
hobbit
Quote from: hobbit on May 12, 2012, 07:39:01 AM
The very self same.
A wordsmith.
Very computer savvy.
ALWAYS pushing the CCs are man made.
Some which are, but it's the ones which are made otherwise that He distracts attention from.
hobbit
That's not the impression I got from him, it was more like he wanted to keep his flock of followers safe from anything that would detract from the conversation of crop circles. I joined just to post about Pyramids ,in response to someones statement about the climate during the building of said structures.
I even said at the beginning of the post that this was my opinion and was not something I was prepared to debate. The statement was as follows: " The pyramids are a lot older than is told by conventional dating methods.So who knows what the climate was then".
Holy Moly , you would have thought he ( psycho) was Hawass form the Egyption museum"how do you know this , who told you this " etc....[sigh]
Jubilee plantation 2011.
How dare You suggest that the pyramids are older than the EXPERTS say they are.
Then the typical PROVE IT post.
cropredy
Applying My "feelings," I say You are spot on, hoss. They are 10-12 thousand years old.
(Consider that the Egyptians of 5000ish years ago wrote about even Their bathroom habits, it is VERY odd none happened to mention coming home from a long day at the pyramid project...)
Quote from: hobbit on May 12, 2012, 07:39:34 PM
Jubilee plantation 2011.
How dare You suggest that the pyramids are older than the EXPERTS say they are.
Then the typical PROVE IT post.
cropredy
ohh you KNOW about it ..yes!! how DARE I? [grin] I got much more indignant after that[whew]!!
Then the other "sheep " join in with " I don't understand, pc is being completely fair and impartial".. choke! gasp !!....oh yeah he's reasonable, Im the jerk..please!!
Quote from: Amaterasu on May 12, 2012, 07:50:47 PM
Applying My "feelings," I say You are spot on, hoss. They are 10-12 thousand years old.
(Consider that the Egyptians of 5000ish years ago wrote about even Their bathroom habits, it is VERY odd none happened to mention coming home from a long day at the pyramid project...)
at least that old ...if not more. They are not tombs . They are machines with all the good stuff taken out long ago, but they still function, in a way to this day .
I agree. Some say the ark of the covenant was one machine part that sat in the "sarcophagus" of the Great Pyramid. That "feels" right to Me, too.
As I expected ...a crop circle when the moon is side on to earth.
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/WaterEatonCopse/WaterEatonCopse2012a.html
Which is possibly what is been shown by this one???
hobbit
Quote from: hobbit on May 13, 2012, 06:43:03 PM
As I expected ...a crop circle when the moon is side on to earth.
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/WaterEatonCopse/WaterEatonCopse2012a.html
Which is possibly what is been shown by this one???
hobbit
I have looked at a lot of CS's... Never noticed the evidence of the normal field lines before in a "valid" CS. If You look, You can tell that the outer circle was made, and then the smaller solid outer circles were flattened.
I am putting this one in the "dubious" category. Don't know for sure either way.
I have been into plenty of CCs in oil seed rape, it's messy to say the least always.
These crops are aprox 4 to 5 feet tall at the moment, so just how do You expect the crops to react as differing plasma vortexs are involved?
hobbit
Like I said, hobbit... I don't know about this one. I am not an expert, surely. It could be real. Just that I haven't seen any where One could tell what order the lines were put down in. Not saying that makes it fake for sure. Just saying it's enough of an anomaly for Me to hold some doubt.
:)I need to know more about oil seed rape but somehow I just know that it is a harder plant than other crops to do circles in. One thing I am sure of : if ET does the crop circle none of the plants are harmed in any way and they will recover from being pushed over. I get this info from a good source.
Quote from: hoss58 on May 13, 2012, 08:06:08 PM
:)I need to know more about oil seed rape but somehow I just know that it is a harder plant than other crops to do circles in. One thing I am sure of : if ET does the crop circle none of the plants are harmed in any way and they will recover from being pushed over. I get this info from a good source.
Man "PUSHES" the crops over.
Variations in the local TIME field are utilised by others to re-locate the crops in TIME.
The oil seed rape is clearly alreadt recovering to transmute in a vertical manner relative to the surface.
Whenever I approach any crop circle I first off establish the geometry of the local matrix.
If the geometry of the crop circle FITS onto the matrix, then I consider it has been constructed by TIME variations, not PUSHED over by man as many are.
It's a very long story about CREATION, the very method of how the crop so called GROWS.
Basically it TRANSMUTES a local zone of memory in this here and now moment dimension, the earths overall memory field enables and sustains this.
By local manipulation of the time flows the very memory of location in time of the created atoms of the crops are for a fraction of a second altered.
Every atom is magnetic in nature, thus the atoms are attracted locally to the field magnetic zone they normally are within, but as this point of attraction is for a fraction of a second altered , the atoms thus respond.
I have struggled on My own and against the clowns of this reality to better comprehend that which I detect.
hobbit
Well, hobbit, I will defer to Your authority. [smile] If You say it fits, then it fits.
It is unusual, though. I will say that much.
Quote from: Amaterasu on May 13, 2012, 09:11:45 PM
Well, hobbit, I will defer to Your authority. [smile] If You say it fits, then it fits.
It is unusual, though. I will say that much.
I am merely trying to convey how creation operates, thats all.
It's actually simple, but is super complex.
I am a simple hobbit, thus I must first understand the basic simplicity, before ever trying to fall into complexity.
Most humans are in complexity, and prefer the drama of such rather that ever dealing with the simple, it bores them , and they would rather dwell in novelty of complexity.
That should be as clear as mud???
Kisses,
hobbit
[smile] I prefer simplicity - and seek those foundations. All the crazy complexities of money, for instance, can be simplified to money=meaningful energy expended. So many people have tried to come up with why My solution to virtually all Humanity's problems won't work because it's too simple. Ha!
I can always describe how Their objections are handled. Simplicity is good. [smile]
I don't believe that crop circles are that complicated in their meaning and reason for construction. I believe that they are made by ET technology AND man(copy cat ) and TPTB who are using ET tech for their own reasons and possible manipulation of the masses .
They are akin to graffitii and messages to other Et's , just like gang signs in the inner city to rival factions.
Some are thought provoking messages from ET to man , to plant a seed for the future. These are the ones that don't hurt the crop , ( that's a message in itself).
And the ones by man are just to be part o fthe craze , like a fad
HEY... GLP actually accepted my request today for an unban. previously my request was rejected automatically.A step in the right direction anyway although I am not holding my breath!!
;)
Well that didn't take too long to get a responce from GLP, guess I could have held my breath after all!!
Denied!!
I have to ask myself..... what were you talking about that they simply can not have exisiting on that Forum?
They would not keep you off unless they have somewhat of a reason so what kind of a threat to them are you posing? What kind of material are you offering?
I am curious simply to know what it is that they don't want to see out there.
Linda
Quote from: hoss58 on May 22, 2012, 02:45:46 PM
;)
Well that didn't take too long to get a responce from GLP, guess I could have held my breath after all!!
Denied!!
Come on over, Hoss, the water's fine! And, hey, GLP? Those guys are out there even by my standards!LOL!
Had a great day fishing and releasing many medium bonnethead and blacktip sharks yesterday, wish you couldve been there, amigo!
Cheers!
Littleenki
GLP....Goofy,Loony People...;)
Quote from: Littleenki on May 22, 2012, 08:45:19 PM
Come on over, Hoss, the water's fine! And, hey, GLP? Those guys are out there even by my standards!LOL!
Had a great day fishing and releasing many medium bonnethead and blacktip sharks yesterday, wish you couldve been there, amigo!
Cheers!
Littleenki
GLP....Goofy,Loony People...;)
Ohhhh, bonnet heads , they are a great fight !! just one big muscle they are !!, great on light tackle.
yeah GLP , if it wasn't for John I would not bother. I just want to be unbanned , I might never post again
Quote from: Linda Brown on May 22, 2012, 04:30:36 PM
I have to ask myself..... what were you talking about that they simply can not have exisiting on that Forum?
They would not keep you off unless they have somewhat of a reason so what kind of a threat to them are you posing? What kind of material are you offering?
I am curious simply to know what it is that they don't want to see out there.
Linda
It's so stupid what happened: John got banned so he asked me for a favor. "Here Hoss ,post this for me, I am banned and I don't know why". This was sent to me in a PM so I did a cut and paste onto the GLP site and as soon as I posted it I was immediately banned with no chance for unban consideration. It was some replys to a couple of members and John didn't want them to go without an answer.So it was not for something"I" said, it was what was in the replys that John had me post , No I don't have copies of them , I wish I would have archived them, but I didn't think at the time that I needed to. I read them , nothing earth shattering, they got posted any way I think . I should get confirmation of that from John though.
Hoss, youre a good guy, and noone will change that about you, regardless of who bans you from whatever GLP site.
Mr Lear, the same goes for you, sir!
Cheers!
Littleenki
Quote from: Littleenki on May 23, 2012, 05:57:58 AM
Hoss, youre a good guy, and noone will change that about you, regardless of who bans you from whatever GLP site.
Mr Lear, the same goes for you, sir!
Cheers!
Littleenki
oh my aren't you nice[grin] thanks buddy,never get tired of hearing that ;)
Yeah John's nice too (grumpy kinda) ;D
Quote from: hoss58 on May 23, 2012, 02:56:31 PM
oh my aren't you nice[grin] thanks buddy,never get tired of hearing that ;)
Yeah John's nice too (grumpy kinda) ;D
He's cool, like a space age Walter Matthau!:D
Le
GLP ;D
I have been banned by 'group IP' for a long time... can't even view pages
They say I can bypass that ban by paying member fee of 100.00 :o
Every now and then it lets me in for one day than back to ban
Weird place that :D
A funny statement from my husband George seems to be appropriate here too
"Hey! I have been thrown out of better places than THIS!" :)
Linda
Quote from: Littleenki on May 23, 2012, 03:14:43 PM
He's cool, like a space age Walter Matthau!:D
Le
that would make a good signature quote.
"He's (John Lear) cool, like a space age, Walter Matthau!" -
Littleenki
Well one thing we could ALL learn from John...
When someone is against you and what you have to say... He tells ya straight up to your face to piss off :D
None of this "I will take my marbles and go play somewhere else" crap I see so much of
One thing I have noticed over the years in the conspiracy circuit
EVERYONE, whistle blowers, insiders and ufologists that are on the net... they ALL think they have the right answers... all of em :P And they will fight tooth and nail to make sure everyone knows they, and only they, are right.
Instead of banding together in this and get the message out we see stuff like Stanton Friedman needing to bash Bob Lazar.
In the end all it does is cause distrust and gives skeptics ammo to attack with
I see it even here. Matrix knew when he started that his ideas would be hard to accept by most. Originally the idea was a private forum for those interested but he decided to 'go public'
Well we see what happened with that. I have not written him yet but will do so this week to slap him :P
Pegasus is supposed to be above this but I see we have the same problems already
Zorgon.... the problems that you have faced are not coincidental.....
You said...."
Pegasus is supposed to be above this but I see we have the same problems already.I
I would like to say that there were reasons that all of that discord happened. Look at the subjects that this grand Forum has opened up....
I submit that there was a..... lets say..... system.... put into play against the Living Moon.....You guys successfully stood up against it.....
I have a theory about this that I would like to put out here....... I believe it might be important to add a view that might not have been considered before...
This was not a random event. This had a fingerprint to it....
Discussing this might be controversial and that's alright. That's what Forums are all about. Should I run it past you first Zorgon.?...My thoughts have centered around WHY people reacted the way that they did this last week and why they have in the past . You can see those same fingerprints in other Forums and in other experiences ....Once you are aware of that then you begin to notice and why this last week was..... interesting ...on this Forum..... to say the least.
Remember... its just a personal theory on my part. most should know me well enough to know by now that I do not promote " fluff" ideas and I am willing to just " shut up and sit down" if that would make most of you more comfortable.... or we could actually try to look at what just happened here... and why........Linda
Quote from: Littleenki on May 23, 2012, 03:14:43 PM
He's cool, like a space age Walter Matthau!:D
Le
Oh man you got to figure out a way to put John's face on the moon like that !!
I'm gonna need a rule book to follow here. I'm more than willing to follow the rules provided everyone here realizes that when they post anti-christian sentiment and don't specify who the actual prepetrator is, that it includes me into the mix by proxy. I know most of you are not christian and despise what it represents. I also know this is an easy thing to do, sort of like picking on the fat kid in the park. I realize these are normal reactions to 2000 years of humans who also happen to be christians, doing dumb things. But i also realize that if i don't say anything in my defense or in defense of the texts the belief system derived from, that i'm gonna witness horrible genocides. I do not want to see that. You understand that your accessing a survival of the fittest mechanism. If you don't want it to go off, please kindly, give me the same freedom to express my disagreement that you retain for yourselves without assumig i'm being temporarily possessed by the boogeyman mikado.
Quote from: Linda Brown on May 23, 2012, 08:27:48 PM
Zorgon.... the problems that you have faced are not coincidental.....
Ghosts....
A long time ago a teacher taught me that you can banish ghosts by a simple sharp command "Be Gone" and they must obey....
Anyone that knows me, including my uber skeptic wife :P, knows that I can banish the ghosts by a mere thought now and just by my presence in a room. This has actually been proven a while back. I also have the ability to directly influence the weather :D Got quite a reputation for it in the Medieval circuit. (I once opened a perfect circle of clear weather over a park on tear down :D )
The point is that outside influences like malicious RVers or psychic attacks are EASY to block... One simply has to WANT to block them...
There is a Secret... one I will share soon... many already know it and I have it posted here in our Illuminati area :P
But what people need to do is control themselves... they need to actively recognize it and JUST SAY NO... it really is that simple. Like attracts like
If a bully is trying to get you angry, simply laugh at him and walk away. He will soon give up
I will have more of this in a thread... now I will have time again to be active here since its above 100 outside already and I can't stop the heat :P
But Sky Otter knows... it is easy to block the baddies... it just requires conscious effort
Quote from: undo11 on May 23, 2012, 08:40:20 PM
I'm gonna need a rule book to follow here.
I haz a rule book :P I wonder if anyone reads it :P
I will have to review it and add to it :P
But rule Number 1 should be an old Vegas Gambler rule
"Know when to hold it and when to fold" ::)
i think i know what the problem is. i'm an old coot, who has had her fill of seeing things like "Zeitgeist", which makes a mockery out of archaeology and ancient history, "Sitchin" who has alot of big pieces of the puzzle but leaves out some very obvious ones, for what appears to be nefarious reasons, and the huge onslaught of negative articles about anything and everything to do with christianity in particular. The last time this much negativity was aimed at one particular belief system, it was for the express purpose of removing it and its proponents from society. I like being alive. Don't you? Nothing unusual or bizarre about it.
Quote from: zorgon on May 23, 2012, 08:48:26 PM
Ghosts....
A long time ago a teacher taught me that you can banish ghosts by a simple sharp command "Be Gone" and they must obey....
Anyone that knows me, including my uber skeptic wife :P, knows that I can banish the ghosts by a mere thought now and just by my presence in a room. This has actually been proven a while back. I also have the ability to directly influence the weather :D Got quite a reputation for it in the Medieval circuit. (I once opened a perfect circle of clear weather over a park on tear down :D )
The point is that outside influences like malicious RVers or psychic attacks are EASY to block... One simply has to WANT to block them...
There is a Secret... one I will share soon... many already know it and I have it posted here in our Illuminati area :P
But what people need to do is control themselves... they need to actively recognize it and JUST SAY NO... it really is that simple. Like attracts like
If a bully is trying to get you angry, simply laugh at him and walk away. He will soon give up
I will have more of this in a thread... now I will have time again to be active here since its above 100 outside already and I can't stop the heat :P
But Sky Otter knows... it is easy to block the baddies... it just requires conscious effort
Ah, medieval festivals...I miss doing them, Zorgon! Did you ever do the largo, Fl renaissance festival? I used to sell my jewelry there until it moved to tampa, fl. We do fine art shows now, and that clear sky trick would be a big plus!LOL! Here comes the rain again.....;)
And wise words about the RV attacks, just say NO is the soup of the day for that as you need to let them in to get at you.
Conscious effort is number one, eh?
Cheers!
Littleenki
z,
you probably shouldn't have invited me here. although you and i may have found enough common ground to have interesting conversations, most of the people here are accustomed to pointing out the failings of christianity in particular and the texts which you know, i have done some serious study on. this was sure to set off my automatic alarm system. i don't want to leave, but if you want me to, to protect the peace of your forum, i will.
but realize, i feel the reactions of the other people on the forum to my defense or critiques, are related to the fact they don't really want to hear what i have to say. they don't want to hear my disagreement when they mangle scripture and use the mangled version to uphold their theories. that's a natural, and by now, conditioned response. and so is mine.
so we either have to accept that others may not agree and give them the freedom to say so, or refuse it to some, in order to keep the peace amongst others. it's your call. here's your big moment to display your leadership qualities.
have at it. i'm prepared either way. but don't ask me to be quiet. cause that's like asking a guy with a gun to his head to talk and then pull the trigger if he tries to. people needs to make up their minds if freedom of speech is only for people you agree with or for everyone.
Quote from: hoss58 on May 22, 2012, 09:13:17 PM
John got banned so he asked me for a favor. "Here Hoss ,post this for me, I am banned and I don't know why ".
Using the bolded words will get you what you got. Never use the
ban or banned words on gpl. They'll give ya the business.
Donot use the following either:
Tavistock
Jason Lucas
Your two week ban should be about up, unless you are perma banned. Change your IP and your good as new. Clear the cookies and stuff before re-appearing on glp as new.
I've now been banned from GLP as an anonymous user. Screw that ridiculous site frankly, it's days are numbered as the war on the internet ratchets up I'm afraid.
Hey, guys, have you noticed everyonegetting banned from everywhere out there, especially the two "big ones"?
Does anyone think there isnt a correlation to this bannery and the paranoia of the mods over there?
Why would so many be banned all of a sudden?
We had a series of conversations about mental attacks here recently, and from what I can tell, we not only fought through the bickering and disagreements galore to become a stronger group. And, ever since people from other sites have been joining in like a wave. Sounds like we made a mental mandate, and attraction to kindness and other fine minds was the result.
Pegasus, and it's fine moderators and members are about civility and mutual respect for others ideas and theories,
and those other places are about feeding the fire of paranoia, and feeding off of the resulting reactions with fear and paranoia of their own.
If you want to learn and share the wonders of the universe with like minded, accepting folks, here you should stay!
I for one, am stoked to learn from our new members, what they have been so passionate about, and to share with them what Im interested in.
Welcome to you all, and enjoy the ride here, its infinitely comfortable!
Cheers!
Littleenki
Quote from: Gigas on May 27, 2012, 08:26:02 PM
Using the bolded words will get you what you got. Never use the ban or banned words on gpl. They'll give ya the business.
Donot use the following either:
Tavistock
Jason Lucas
Your two week ban should be about up, unless you are perma banned. Change your IP and your good as new. Clear the cookies and stuff before re-appearing on glp as new.
I am sure what you say is true ,but I did not use those words on GLP nor did John when he asked me to make a post for him. It was done elsewhere. That's what I don't understand, it seemed to me that the post I made was the trigger for the ban ,but that would mean that they were waiting for me to post it. How did they know I was going to post it? I have made a few requests for unban ,no unban yet,just denials of my requests.
Well I just checked to see if I could get on GLP ,at first I was allowed on the home page , that is until I tried to access John's thread . SOON as I hit the search function, banned !! >:(
I think they are trying to mine the members for money, the wording is right there on the ban page .
Well there is an old saying "You can't suck blood from a turnip", I am sure there is some other reason
I got banned but I guess I will not get to find that out . If they let me on, I am sure there will be no explanation.
Greetings:
We seem to still be able to access GLP.
How may we be of assistance, John?
How's the book coming?
Peace Love Light
tfw
Liberty & Equality or Revolution
Quote from: zorgon on May 23, 2012, 08:51:36 PM
I haz a rule book :P I wonder if anyone reads it :P
I will have to review it and add to it :P
But rule Number 1 should be an old Vegas Gambler rule
"Know when to hold it and when to fold"
::)
kenny rogers? oh yeah the graybearded one!Love him!!!
Wise words Zorgon!
Cheers!
Quote from: Littleenki on May 28, 2012, 08:38:04 PM
kenny rogers? oh yeah the graybearded one!Love him!!!
Wise words Zorgon!
Cheers!
We fold.
Quote from: hoss58 on May 28, 2012, 07:31:38 PM
Well I just checked to see if I could get on GLP ,at first I was allowed on the home page , that is until I tried to access John's thread . SOON as I hit the search function, banned !! >:(
I find that I can get on after a few weeks of not trying ONE TIME when I then try to view a second thread I get that banned warning again with the offer to fork over $100.00 to avoid that
Does that work? :o Maybe I should try it I could getz RICH
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/pickinonme.gif)
John SHOULD get banned from GLP :P
Then he can spend more time here AT HOME :P
After enjoying the fruit of your seemingly endless labor here, Zorgon, I cant fathom why anyone would want to ban you from anything. Just knowing they banned you tells me everything I need to know about that place, cut and dry!
And second that for Mr Lear, come home John!
Cheers!
It's really simple...
Its all about ratings and popularity.
The minute you speak up and point out the issues they feel many people will listen to you and that will lose them hit points. In the end it is those hit points that pays the bills because advertisers look you up based on traffic.
My website was always paid out of my own pocket. In the old days it is true that there were limits especially on bandwidth... you had to pay heavily for bandwidth and storage. But today the costs are down, and any decent server offers unlimited storage and unlimited bandwidth.
Our server, Globat, is offering that for $4.44 a month with one domain reg included and free hosting of five domains on one account. I have a link to them on the front page if anyone is looking for a good server that has almost zero downtime. You get even more discount signing up for a two year or longer term
So that means all ad revenue goes straight into pocket and these sites fight over that standing like rabid dogs :D
GLP has banned any links from ATS... ATS also bans any links from rival or 'taboo' sites
Ah the games the children play :P
I believe that GLPs banning reasons are purely for financial gain. A few months back I would visit John's mega thread many times per day to catch up with it (was 100+ pages). After a a week or two of doing this I was IP banned from the website, I had never posted a single reply though once I was banned I sent them a message about this and they told me the only way to unban was if I signed up as a subscriber.
Hit points? Man I feel old!
Le
Quote from: vril on May 28, 2012, 09:50:25 PM
I believe that Glops banning reasons are purely for financial gain. A few months back I would visit John's mega thread many times per day to catch up with it (was 100+ pages). After a a week or two of doing this I was IP banned from the website, I had never posted a single reply though once I was banned I sent them a message about this and they told me the only way to unborn was if I signed up as a subscriber.
I googled glp and found a link that basically said they were hacked and their private info was put out on the web so they had to do all this banning as a result . Now while that may be true,I still think the main idea is money . I was a free member from the beginning of John's thread, in fact he told me about the thread and told me to "come over and join the fun". I posted every once in a while but nothing like what other people did !! I read plenty of things that warranted banning and a fat lip to go along with it .
Hoss (the banned one) 58