From: http://news.discovery.com/history/god-wife-yahweh-asherah-110318.html
QuoteGod had a wife, Asherah, whom the Book of Kings suggests was worshiped alongside Yahweh in his temple in Israel, according to an Oxford scholar.
In 1967, Raphael Patai was the first historian to mention that the ancient Israelites worshiped both Yahweh and Asherah. The theory has gained new prominence due to the research of Francesca Stavrakopoulou, who began her work at Oxford and is now a senior lecturer in the department of Theology and Religion at the University of Exeter.
Information presented in Stavrakopoulou's books, lectures and journal papers has become the basis of a three-part documentary series, now airing in Europe, where she discusses the Yahweh-Asherah connection.
More at the link.
Well, well. The article is old - about a year - but it's new to Me.
i am that i am translates to hayah asher hayah. they claim the word "that" is "asher." lol
even the appearance of god in ezekiel 1, is loaded with asher symbols. so now the big argument is that some scribes changed it so the israelites would accept asher. there's not a real argument. fact is, enlil, enki and anu were known by many different names. heck even the kings and pharaohs had a ton of different names. whether the people translated the will of asher to be the same as that of yahweh is an entirely different story, because it's all steeped in cultural norms and language variants.
for example, i'm pretty sure i showed you that the etymology of en.lil, resolves down to being the "generic" god name for sumer, akkad, babylon and assyria. almost every mesopotamian god name stems from en.lil
etymology refresher
EN.LIL
LIL
IL
ILU
ILA
EL
AL
same etymology. people are getting hung up on the differences instead of realizing that's why the hebrews were tasked with maintaining the sumerian data on subjects from architecture, construction, worship, to ancient history for 4000 years. not because they were more human or more intelligent but because they were assigned to maintain the info. period. not to let it deviate or be
corrupted for political correctness or other considerations, no matter how humane or inhumane, but simply to keep an accurate record.
all the other ancient histories are saying the same things, with only cultural variants and language barriers concealing their origins.
I agree, Beth. [smile] I have looked at a lot of etymological studies of ancient myth (The Sirius Mystery was My fave...) and it seems to be that the stories all are, if not identical, close enough as makes no real difference.
Quote from: Amaterasu on May 13, 2012, 07:21:24 PM
I agree, Beth. [smile] I have looked at a lot of etymological studies of ancient myth (The Sirius Mystery was My fave...) and it seems to be that the stories all are, if not identical, close enough as makes no real difference.
also pretty sure i shared my interpretation of the creation of the adam with you before too. but if not, i think it also indicates that the first adam was an entire race of males and females, who were not human. rather they were clones of the atum, who were themselves called the atum (named after their creators, who were like their templates).
adam does not mean man. adam means red/ruddy. translators of the original languages of the texts, insisted adam was only male and singular. don't think so. pretty sure adam is a plural word, and that male AND female adam were created in the images of the elohim (the atum). people like that guy in the oto interview, think the first adam creation was a hermaphrodite and the nerf required separating the hermaphroditic parts, into 2 separate sexes. i think that's wrong. i don't think sex even played a part in the creation of the adam in the first place, but rather cloning, which is why there was no pain in childbirth.
you'll notice that people who develop theories about what it means, tend to leave out info that doesn't fit their theories. the way i try to handle it is, if it doesn't fit, find out why. if my theory is wrong, find out why. usually if i go earnestly looking for the answer, i find it, and it makes alot more sense to me afterward. i'm not resorting to a theory with big gaps in the reference material. leaving out something prominent like the "pain in childbirth" clue, is strange. if they were clones, of course there's no pain in childbirth. if they were hermaphrodites, that doesn't suggest no pain in childbirth. i see flaw in that theory, so i'm sticking with the idea that there were male and also female gods and the atum were created in their image but they were not homosapians. the nerf to the atum is homosapian dna.
i mean, that fits best out of any examples i've seen so far. it doesn't ignore any of the text, it even explains how translators would look at it and get confused, very easily. the atum were named after the ATUM and the text indicated that. if you see what i mean.
The Terra Papers agree in essence - though IIRC the Adapa were created by Enki as a combination of ET DNA and an earth beast (primate, one would guess). Very unemotional. Then Enki created the Adama, using also the "gift of the feather," some DNA from a bird-like species that endowed passion, the ability to love, etc.
I am certain that "Adam" was not a male Individual. Both male and female He created Them...
Quote from: Amaterasu on May 14, 2012, 02:02:41 PM
The Terra Papers agree in essence - though IIRC the Adapa were created by Enki as a combination of ET DNA and an earth beast (primate, one would guess). Very unemotional. Then Enki created the Adama, using also the "gift of the feather," some DNA from a bird-like species that endowed passion, the ability to love, etc.
I am certain that "Adam" was not a male Individual. Both male and female He created Them...
A quagmire of theories abound, eh Amy? You and Undo have a great handle on this, and she has posted numerous times about the ATUM, and how we are androgynous in original form.
What I find fascinating is the feather of life being added to the mix, as I find birds to be way ahead of the evolutionary curve in how to procreate efficiently and quickly, while creating a pure, and emotionally capable offspring...like the Adama.
The tree of life? A million interprtations abound ther, so maybe the tree is where the answer lies. Those petals are possibly the dna mixture that brought about humanity and our current lifeform we know as us. And of course, my namesake was in the mix, so I like to believe as Undo does, that the Pre-Sumerians were basically playing GOD, and did create the US as we know it.
As far as a wife for God, any female character would have been proof that the first creator had been a two sex lifeform, like us. The creation of this male and female human species would effectively have given the people created a reason to learn emotions and interaction.
Unfortunately, when the male and female aspects were separated, it kept us from enjoying the fruits of having both traits, and caused the separation of our sexes we see so prevalently now.
Is it possible the Islamic treatment of women stems from man's wanting to avoid having the reconnection of the two back together through equal rights, and are the men of the middle east just a product of this prehistoric decision to separate the sexes into two distinct beings?
None of this came to light until religion had been formed and presented to the people, and the Mother Earth figure proves the importance of females before religion took over.
Religion basically divided the masses into different parts, and cut off the ability to combine humanity back into oneness. A oneness where there was no pain at childbirth as Undo states, due to the cloning of new life instead of a carrier; the mother earth figure.
Dna is meant to be together as one, and thats, IMHO, what it will take to create the lifeform we are supposed to be, and thats why we are fighting to no avail in this world of wonder, to find who we were, and what we should be.
We all are women, and we all are men, our dna just hasnt gotten the memo yet.
So, we are the way we are, and why there are male and female sexes will always be a mystery, as we arent ready for that level of understanding in our shifting world.
Or are we?
Littleenki
Yeah, many theories do abound.
I highly recommend the reading of The Terra Papers. zorg has them here somewhere (or had them here...). I did a glossary which I posted to ATS - made following the story for Others much easier.
I will post it here too.
noooooo, i don't think we were androgynous! i think there were male atum and female atum, separate genders, however, they were cloning themselves, not giving birth in the way homosapians have done for the last 6000 years. i absolutely disagree with the premise that the adam were males only and also don't agree that they were a mix of male and female body parts. i think there were also separate female adam. hope that clarifies my position on it.
later, the eve differentiates from the rest of the female adam because of the mammalian birth nerf.
Well, I posted the glossary: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1310.msg14304#msg14304
Now if zorgon would resupply the link to the Papers themselves....
i also need to add that i did the etymology for EL and ANU and EA ( Enki) to see if i could find them in ancient egyptian pantheons. the only one i couldn't identify in the normal sense, was EA but I'm pretty sure I found him via an ancient egyptian text. RA is an EA reference but in a sort of round about way, that is, RA was a deification of EA's sumerian temple. In effect, RA was similar to Akhenaten's "sun disk" the ATEN, et.al, a deified thing, rather than a deification of a sentient being.
Anu was AMEN (also known as AMUN, AMON, OMON). AMEN-RA was Anu, EL and EA (or EA's sumerian temple) combined.
I do love etymology! Thanks, Beth!
more info keeps popping into my head from when i researched asherah as well. asherah is also referred to as the shekinah. oddly, asherah is depicted as a snake entwined staff. for enki researchers, this should raise an eyebrow. the shekinah was the "Spirit" of God, the third part in the triumverate: father, son, holy ghost, who's visage is referred to as hovering above the ark of the covenant. the almost holographic image of god shimmering there, above the ark, was god's shekinah.
let's consider the snake entwined staff is, among other things, a reference to medicine and genetics. that's a big hint for enki researchers. it references directly, albeit metaphorically, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, with its customary serpent wrapped around it.
how the shekinah, serpent entwined depiction of dna, becomes synomous with god, is that it isn't the physical representation, but rather a holographic representation, a spirit form, over which is laid 3d physical reality. perhaps in this way it can be seen as the you on the other side of the veil of homosapian flesh
if you know anything about the temple of jerusalem, the ark of the covenant over which the shekinah of god appeared, was in the holy of holies, surrounded by a "veil"