For those of you not aware of this case, until one comes down out of the sky and lands on your front lawn, this is as good as it gets. 8)
A clear daylight sighting of a silver shiny flying saucer videotaped, photographed and seen by hundreds.
I was glad to see someone recently put this up on youtube, so I don't have the hassle of the analog/digital transfer I was getting ready to do.
The soundtrack is pretty cheesy for my taste, I would have used something like the "Jaws" soundtrack, but oh well. ;)
This sighting was videotaped by SEVENTEEN different people (that were known at the time) and are presented here in 3 parts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLXadZzpgFE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyUwCeu3iDg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYstqBxLsXA
(These first 3 parts focus on the solar eclipse sightings, you can find the remaining parts under 'Messengers of Destiny' on YouTube.)
Back when I first posted this on 'that other site' I was of course beset by all manner of spookz, trolls and debunkers, the primary argument being that this was of course Venus everyone saw. ::)
and so... I took the time (even using their own 'evidence') to demonstrate why this was not the case -
...
Venus???... (looks around for hidden camera) this is like candid camera right?
There is no way somebody is -seriously- trying to float Venus as the culprit here right?
Ummm.... Since when has Venus -ever- looked liked this:
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5e2e5efd477e.jpg)
got any examples?
And since when does Venus fly through the daytime sky against the clouds?
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/287a5be99284.jpg)
(Sorry have to watch the video to see that action.)
In looking at the linked "Astronomer page" posted as alleged refutation,
http://home.comcast.net/~tprinty/UFO/mexico.htm (http://home.comcast.net/~tprinty/UFO/mexico.htm)
among all the text I see only -one- picture:
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/afb50c19bd28.jpg)
How odd. Notice how it doesn't look anything like -any- of the stills from these videos.
Even better, could we please get a video of Venus that looks like these do?
Thanks ;D
(p.s. one that moves against the clouds would be nice too)
... and how do you manage to all be videotaping Venus, when you are all facing different directions while filming?
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/175756898298.jpg)
Just a few questions from the Venus skeptic ;D
Ok this should be an easy one really... everyone has cameras and movie taking capability these days...
so please go outside and take some footage of Venus that looks and behaves like these do, and then post it.
Thanks ;D
QuoteHere you go.
Take a few frames of this video and blow them up massively to the same size as the ones you posted (taking into account the poor video quality of 1991 cameras). Its the same.
Secondly, look how Venus flies past the tree. wow!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uKFAhNM2uk
Edit - even better example of venus in the daytime that looks like the Mexican thing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXTDSFjtvYs
Now I've got a question for you. Since many amateur astronomers saw Venus at that time in the sky, and software also shows it was at that location at that time, why is it that NONE of the people who saw a Venus-like UFO in that part of the sky at that time happened to see Venus?
Oh is that right? Well now, I went to your linked video, and to my surprise... - it looks and appears nothing like the above videos, it just looks like Venus.
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/07a38d766068.jpg)
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/67413b4a0e28.jpg)
I even blew up stills as you suggested:
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ad98800a5d68.jpg)
wow, still nothing like the above videos, just looks like Venus. ::)
Quoteeven better example of venus in the daytime that looks like the Mexican thing...
And so this is supposed to be even better?? Again, here is your 2nd linked "better":
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/2f4ec8535066.jpg)
"wow" once again, -nothing- like the above videos. ::)
So now let's examine all these "great" "conclusive" explanations:
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/1a4b301b0c31.jpg)
So what happened to your supposed 'Here you go'??...
and "Take a few frames of this video and blow them up massively to the same size as the ones you posted... Its the same."
Well obviously it's NOT.
Now we move on to watching the actual videos -in action- and the difference is even MORE obvious.
I appreciate your attempt to provide what I asked for, but it has failed rather miserably.
Everybody wants to just post a link to some page and act like it's case closed. As we can see from the above "comparisons", all these allegedly "solid" refutations are a complete joke!
And as for your "wow" flying video, it is -again- nothing like the above videos.
QuoteP.S. It would be nice if you answered my question that you ignored earlier.
It would be nice if you would have not ignored the answer already given, previous to your question even being posted.
"how do you manage to all be videotaping Venus, when you are all facing different directions while filming?"
QuoteEasy peasy.
Because they were NOT facing different directions while filming. You're lying.
Some quotes...
Video 1. 14:11 "object hovering below the vanishing sun"
Video 2. 1:31 "17 different people, in different quadrants of the city, videotaped an object hovering below the great eclipse"
Video 2. 3:33 "the UFO had positioned itself below the eclipsing sun"
It didnt fly either. Just like Venus, it stayed in place.
Video 1. 6:46 "a shimmering, stationary object"
Video 1. 8:11 "and the hovering object still remains in place"
Video 1. 8:37 "this indicates that the UFO.. remained stationary.. for at least 20 minutes."
Video 2. 2:05 "the object... was seen in place for a duration of 30 minutes"
Video 2. 6:13 "it seems to be hovering... its just standing there"
Video 3. 1:05 "same configuration... same attitude. Just hovering there."
So, we have a stationary bright object positioned below the eclipse. Just like Venus.
(http://home.comcast.net/~tprinty/UFO/Mexufo.JPG)
P.S. Twice now you've avoided answering the question about nobody seeing the actual planet venus that was there at that place in the sky on that day at that time.
As shown by actual pictures (not text) in my previous reply(s), it is -not- "Just like Venus".
In fact it is -not even close-.
But you choose to breeze right by that entire page of proof, along with the entire page of points I made (miss those somehow?) and instead now move on to something else and complain about how some final question was not supposedly answered. You think your points are somehow more important than mine? Sorry, skipping to the bottom and trying to move on to points you think you might have better luck with, doesn't work with me.
Seriously, I would have an easier time buying the weather balloon explanation than this "Venus" nonsense.
If you, and anyone else who watches these videos think they are seeing Venus, then good luck to you, I respectfully disagree.
And speaking of respect:
QuoteBecause they were NOT facing different directions while filming. You're lying.
That and the 7 citations following it have -no- associated direction information, only height.
Oh and the 'external image' link you included leads to no photo, only a animation still.
Also you conveniently continue to ignore the video of it actually moving at one point.
And finally, the "You're lying" bit, calling me a liar is the last resort of someone desperate with no where else left to turn.
How about "They are lying" instead, since I was not the one filming these videos.
And finally, may I ask, (besides ignoring points you don't like) about that tactic of yours of insulting total strangers by calling them a liar, then demanding answers from them... how is that workin out for ya? ;D ;D ;D
In my book, such people "don't deserve the time of day".
post by Pimander -
QuoteWell, we're going to disagree on this one because I see blobby highly pixelated white blurry unresolved mess with compression and video artifacts in both of them. In neither case is it possible to make out any distinctive features.
What I see is that the distinctive feature is that it doesn't look much like Venus. :P
QuoteA61watcher, I wouldn't bother wasting your time with these people. They are either going to try to debuk anything outside their marrow and lomited view of the world, or purposefully deny things. They are not yet ready for such things. Give them time and it sinks into them eventually. By trying to reason with them only entrenches them in their silliness.
I understand your feeling on this matter, because obviously we have some rather rude chaps on here who can't keep a civil tongue in their head while trying to make a point.
It's too bad they could not have used a modicum of manners and decorum because discussions from both points of view help bring a wider understanding of any subject for all readers of this forum.
And while I am a big fan and participant of humor and sarcasm, there is no call for rude comments, in fact such behavior is actively discouraged by this site.
And so we will just ignore such ill-bred people with no manners who have not learned the art of civilized public debate and make such comments as:
"That's pathetic."
and
"You're lying"
and instead continue the discussion without them.
Let's examine the allegation that:
"What you see are camera artifacts that result from freezing the frame of a 1980s era consumer level VHS camcorder and blowing it up far beyond any useful magnification."
Ok fine by me, let's examine the evidence with NO zoom factor at all and compare it to Venus.
Even though the zoom idea was suggested by him, he didn't seem too pleased with the results and instead wanted to move on to something else.
So let's begin by comparing images from Mexico with NO zoom, with visible reference points to show there is no zoom involved.
Here is film # 1 by the family, with pictures that have a visible chain of custody that anyone can follow along with for themselves to see that there is no zoom involved.
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/022997718906.jpg)
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/628a5055a4bd.jpg)
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/8ca8eaace3c1.jpg)
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c70b2fee77a1.jpg)
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/0baf14bcde62.jpg)
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/13b1c2e4446e.jpg)
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c48f717ef244.jpg)
and we will then use this as example # 1 from Mexico.
Next we have film # 2 by the student, with pictures that also have a visible chain of custody that anyone can follow along with for themselves to see that there is no zoom involved:
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/fc982f422659.jpg)
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/3104b332bf8e.jpg)
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/dae50f434ddb.jpg)
and we will then use this picture as example # 2 from Mexico.
Now let's examine the linked video's provided as "proof" this has to be Venus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uKFAhNM2uk
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b0997a2a42ac.jpg)
oh, wait a minute!... The title of this linked video that was provided actually says on the video "(Part 2)" where by now the photographer has already zoomed!
So let's instead - go back and take a look at -Part 1- I found where the video is not zoomed yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF7rDoe0Wjg
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/fd492c83e7d8.jpg)
Oh my... I'm not seeing any Venus -at all- at this point!
I guess we will have to follow along with the photographer as he zooms in:
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f7c74c1621cb.jpg)
Hmm... still nothing yet...
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c6c33afe42c3.jpg)
Oh dear... -still- no sign of Venus...
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/2788746079de.jpg)
Wait!... I think I see a speck of light!!! Wow! -At last- we finally see Venus! Even though this is magnified by unknown factor of several orders at this point, we at least (sort of) have something to use for comparison, even though this was intended to be a comparison with NO zoom involved. We will use this pic as example Exhibit A.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXTDSFjtvYs
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f3c1a077ea68.jpg)
Which sadly has no visible chain of custody, but does appear to be already zoomed, since we can now see Venus at this point.
We will use this as example Exhibit B.
So now lets compare our 2 objects of known size with those 2 of questionable original size:
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/60be243be27e.jpg)
Oh dear... this is not looking good for Venus so far. Comparisons of NO zoom pictures seem show to quite a considerable size difference now don't they.
Let's give each a 2x zoom and see what observations can be made:
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b4f267271a42.jpg)
and now 4x:
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c9876cc6acc1.jpg)
and 8x:
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5ce945dfe17b.jpg)
Oh dear, Venus seems to have flown into near earth orbit for the day!
And finally we add in the other two films taken from Mexico for comparison:
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b342dde6da42.jpg)
And here is a photo from the camera that couldn't see Venus in the NO zoom mode, but in it's full zoom mode is now reporting zoom at 800x, and here is the result:
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/55c55acab7ee.jpg)
Think what the Mexico photos would look like at 800x !!
(Also note their elliptical shape is vertical instead of horizontal like all the Mexico films.)
So with the Mexico photos we must be looking at a much closer object.
Now as to the angle of filming:
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/478bc1470045.jpg)
If everyone filming were pointing millions of miles away, they of course would all be facing in the same direction.
However if our object was much closer, and say a few thousand feet up, everyone would be filming from different angles:
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/7b6acf8cd7f6.jpg)
And this is what was reported by all the photographers who were interviewed, and showed where they took the film and from what angle. The producers then made this graphic to show the locations of filming... AND the location of the object, shown moving from east to west:
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/40109478cb2a.jpg)
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5c3de489f60a.jpg)
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/601e0c11e909.jpg)
So unless all the photographers and the producers were 'lying'... we have a slowly moving object filmed from different angles. It's reported close proximity is confirmed by our previous size comparison data.
Is there any evidence to support this? Let's examine lighting and shadow.
Note the lighting and shadow of the adjustment knob on the telescope, and compare it to the same on the Mexico Pictures:
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/7de2576d16a4.jpg)
Also note the shadow is at different angles on the objects, how can that be?
Also I don't recall any of the Venus pictures having light and shadow, instead they are of a SOURCE of light.
So now we have demonstrated a vast size differential, indicative of a nearby object, as testified to by witnesses, and also a filming direction differential, also testified to, and also a 3-D lighting and shadow differential, which Venus does not have.
Obviously, Venus is NOT the culprit here.
As always, I welcome civilized questions and comments. ;D
Cheers!
Good work A51! Those silly shills.
Quote from: A51Watcher on May 16, 2012, 05:20:11 AM
And since when does Venus fly through the daytime sky against the clouds?
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/287a5be99284.jpg)
Seeing how you put so much time into this the least I could do is to give you a photo for your scrapbook.
Before I forget, the like your new Avatar.
So from the photo above. Your first Deuem work up. Hope you like it.
I did nickname this photo Venus. It is not Venus.
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/venusc2w1.jpg)
The UFO
As you can see the Fields still show through regardless of the quality of the photo. The better the quality the better the results. But they are there and very different from the surroundings. It also looks like it is moving from 2 O'clock to 8 O'clock. Not viewing the video, is that right or wrong? There seems to be a wake to the right like a boat would leave. On the print you see I marked it with the balloon process. No I don't think this is a balloon, It is just the name given to that process because the original is now 4 and this one was altered to show different colors and balloons better. ( maybe I should change that name ) The original is called Night. Then I have Mixed and daytime. I ran all 4 on this photo but balloons came out the best.
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/VenusDaytimeBalloons.jpg)
This is Venus,
The planet, daytime, grabbed off the net for comparison.
So you can compare with Deuem the planet vs your Object if you wish. It started with the cleanest photo of a daytime Venus shot found on Yahoo. When I do comparison work like this is when the fun starts.
Enjoy,
Deuem
Hey D thanks a lot for doing those! ;D
Very interesting. You will see why in a moment.
Here are a few items that will of special interest just for you -
In the OP there are 3 video clips.
In the second video take a look at the footage at 00:42. The craft is 'popping' different colors in a strobing manner.
In the third video take a look at the footage starting at 04:35. That gent also has some comments about the images you may find of interest.
It appears both of the above clips are right up your alley.
That is why I chose 'very interesting' as my comment in the beginning of this reply. ;)
Cheers
Quote from: Amaterasu on May 16, 2012, 12:36:09 PM
Good work A51! Those silly shills.
Silly wabbits. Bogus explanation trix are for kids! ;D
In video 2 two at 03:19 we see footage where the craft appears to be disturbing the air around it in an odd manner.
Excellent work, my friend; it is so sad that you have to deal with all the pseudo-skepti-poop that always get shoveled attempting to bury any good footage; I gave up trying to have a reasonable, logical explanation or discussion over at spookzville because of this plethora of bovine feces...
I remember your thread, was quite impressed then, and still think it is very good reporting of an excellent example of "unidentified, flying, object."
;D
seeker
Here are a few stills from the footage above I spoke of where the craft is 'popping colors' -
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/ColorStill01.png)
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/ColorStill02.png)
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/ColorStill03.png)
And here is one from the third video I mentioned might be of interest -
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/ColorStill04.png)
D -
I had a couple of ideas while looking at your processes I thought might be interesting experiments to try.
A) - Instead of using sharp line edges for your color bands, could you try a gradient fade from one color to the other like this -
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Betelgeuse_star_(Hubble).jpg)
or some type of feathering effect.
and
B) Would it be possible to adjust your color pallete to using just these colors as you move up through the light spectrum? -
(http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac191/eprestenbach/Hubble%20Nebula%20Project/orion-nebula-hubble-13484558.jpg)
Even though it's Hubble it reminds me of shades like amber and ruby red and emerald green and such.
...anyway something to experiment around with when you have a moment. ;D
Quote from: A51Watcher on May 17, 2012, 12:50:33 AM
Hey D thanks a lot for doing those! ;D
Very interesting. You will see why in a moment.
Here are a few items that will of special interest just for you -
In the OP there are 3 video clips.
In the second video take a look at the footage at 00:42. The craft is 'popping' different colors in a strobing manner.
In the third video take a look at the footage starting at 04:35. That gent also has some comments about the images you may find of interest.
It appears both of the above clips are right up your alley.
That is why I chose 'very interesting' as my comment in the beginning of this reply. ;)
Cheers
Ah, Deuem and UT.. As you might already know, I am working in Chi na and behind the great White wall. In other words UT, FB, any blog site and a few other million sites are off limits. So it is possible to get a frame shot from a UT vid but it would take me forever to wade through certain things to get it done. The download is the hard part. If I may, can I help you, to help me, help you? If it is possible for you to get the video, get the best resolution they have. Most Utube videos have 3 or 4 different selections. The one they air is the worst and loaded with compression. I know, my work there does not look as good as if you see right off the AVI master.
I use a FREE ( love free ) program to strip off frames from video. On line I found "Edit DivX" Just load in the video, get to the frame you want and save it using the camera icon. I save as jpeg or PNG. Seeing how there should be at least 25 to 30 frames per second, you can pick the frame you want and not the one I thing you want. I like to keep my work as fair as I can. So no one ever accuses me of making or altering the photo. I just process it to see what happens. With the still frame in hand ( on your computer ) I need to get a hold of it with out being compressed. The better the original, the better the work. If you can't load it here, there are other ways. Link to a site, email me or I even have a site for transfer of large projects, ( again all free )
So, if you can get me those 2 photos you are talking about I will run then ASAP for you.
Deuem
Quote from: A51Watcher on May 17, 2012, 05:22:26 AM
D -
I had a couple of ideas while looking at your processes I thought might be interesting experiments to try.
A) - Instead of using sharp line edges for your color bands, could you try a gradient fade from one color to the other like this -
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Betelgeuse_star_(Hubble).jpg)
or some type of feathering effect.
and
B) Would it be possible to adjust your color pallete to using just these colors as you move up through the light spectrum? -
(http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac191/eprestenbach/Hubble%20Nebula%20Project/orion-nebula-hubble-13484558.jpg)
Even though it's Hubble it reminds me of shades like amber and ruby red and emerald green and such.
...anyway something to experiment around with when you have a moment. ;D
Hi Watcher, In all the years of running Deuem, no one has ever asked me this before. Interesting question.
Start with the fades. The program is actually designed from the get go, not to fade. As colors go from one to another there is a dip in between. Call that the fade. We delete this fade in order to bring the waves into focus. Exactly just the opposite of your request. Like peeks and valleys, the valleys are deleted. More like never processed. They are still there somewhere.
If I mix in the second answer here it might make sense. Since the first Deuem program was designed on a quite larger computer than mine. It has gone through a lot of changes. It took way too much time and produced a photo I could wallpaper a city block with. Now it has been written to run on a PC. The original was night time and it removed all but the highest peeks. After experimenting around we came up with 3 more versions. Each version also shows different colors added or removed. The amount of colors and peek separation is the tech reason. So Balloons gives me the most and night the least. At each level color wheels were used to get the best bank for the buck. Tweeked and tweeked for a long time on each version till we felt it was right. I hope all of that makes some sense.
I will download one or both of your photos and do all 4 on one page so you can see the difference. Please wait for that. It will take some time.
Deuem
Quote from: A51Watcher on May 17, 2012, 05:22:26 AM
D -
I had a couple of ideas while looking at your processes I thought might be interesting experiments to try.
A) - Instead of using sharp line edges for your color bands, could you try a gradient fade from one color to the other like this -
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Betelgeuse_star_(Hubble).jpg)
or some type of feathering effect.
and
B) Would it be possible to adjust your color pallete to using just these colors as you move up through the light spectrum? -
(http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac191/eprestenbach/Hubble%20Nebula%20Project/orion-nebula-hubble-13484558.jpg)
Even though it's Hubble it reminds me of shades like amber and ruby red and emerald green and such.
...anyway something to experiment around with when you have a moment. ;D
From your first photo. All 4 process run and nothing else done. Sort of raw data, worked once by the program no preping. If I was going to do this as a presentation shot the Artistic part of me would get involved and run tweeks first and after for a better looking photo.
4up
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/Betelgeuse4up.jpg)
Orion using Night time
( I am having an very hard time uploading this photo to photobucket and also here. The colors might be the problem. ) I will have to do it later, sorry,
Here it is
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/0riw1.jpg)
Deuem
Quote from: the seeker on May 17, 2012, 03:07:10 AM
Excellent work, my friend; it is so sad that you have to deal with all the pseudo-skepti-poop that always get shoveled attempting to bury any good footage; I gave up trying to have a reasonable, logical explanation or discussion over at spookzville because of this plethora of bovine feces...
I remember your thread, was quite impressed then, and still think it is very good reporting of an excellent example of "unidentified, flying, object."
;D
seeker
Well seeker,
Apparently my explanation answered their 'concerns'. To this day not a soul has piped up with any further questions.
Only crickets and tumbleweeds can be heard.
8)
D -
Thanks for the explanation and efforts. Very nice stuff! ;D
51, on a side note, what are your thoughts on the various triangle sightings? I do not want to derail this thread, just curious; for I had a sighting myself long ago of a very large triangle...
seeker
Quote from: the seeker on May 20, 2012, 04:45:35 AM
51, on a side note, what are your thoughts on the various triangle sightings? I do not want to derail this thread, just curious; for I had a sighting myself long ago of a very large triangle...
seeker
Not to butt in, Seeker, but whats triangular and hovers quite quietly for hours?
Yep, a giant lifter.
We would poop if we found out it was a big one built by the governments finest, balasa wood and all!
There wasnt a corona though, so maybe Im wrong....
Le
Lil E, I seriously have my doubts about balsa wood in this one; I estimate it was 300 yards long, did not have a coronal discharge, and when it decided to check out it went total vertical and was out of sight in less than a blink;
hard for me to believe that balsa wood could hold up to that 8) but nothing is impossible...
seeker
Quote from: the seeker on May 20, 2012, 01:59:42 PM
Lil E, I seriously have my doubts about balsa wood in this one; I estimate it was 300 yards long, did not have a coronal discharge, and when it decided to check out it went total vertical and was out of sight in less than a blink;
hard for me to believe that balsa wood could hold up to that 8) but nothing is impossible...
seeker
Im certain it wasnt a lifter, Seeker, just a silly thought at first, but then I thought...dangit it acts like a lifter, albeit a megapowerful one. :o
If it was anything like a lifter technology used there, it would be comforting to know as we know where that idea came from..good ol' Earth!
I firmly believe these triangles are our own, though, but I have never seen one myself, so judgement on that will not happen soon for me!
As far as aliens and UFOs are concerned, they havent attacked our current civilization yet, and thats the best thing we can glean from all the visitations that have been documented through history.
Of course with the size of that thing, if they do attack, we are toast!
Cheers!
Littleenki
As far as aliens and UFOs are concerned, they havent attacked our current civilization yet, and thats the best thing we can glean from all the visitations that have been documented through history
George and I went to see Battleship yesterday. I had the expectation that it was going to be silly but you know..... the danged movie is pretty darned good.
And the " alien technology" is something to wonder at.....The only fantastic thing of course is that the humans ultimately win in this kind of encounter..... but it started me thinking.... maybe we have been allowed and even encouraged in some situations to maintain our agressive tendencies.... because maybe that very nasty trait might save our species one day.... the ability to fight back.... and I think that this movie does speak to that.... we DO have technology that might at least be able to account well for itself.., given half a break....... and of course Zorgon will pick up on the fact that this is NAVY through and through......
And I remember Mr. Twigsnappers warnings.... Remember there are entities out there that could not give a rip about the humans on this planet.... not the smallest nod of concern.... and this movie addresses the idea.... If you send a message out there into space.... You had better be ready for a message in return...
Check out the spining, metal chewing destruction balls.... Now THAT is a cool development. Linda
Quote from: the seeker on May 20, 2012, 01:59:42 PM
Lil E, I seriously have my doubts about balsa wood in this one; I estimate it was 300 yards long, did not have a coronal discharge, and when it decided to check out it went total vertical and was out of sight in less than a blink;
hard for me to believe that balsa wood could hold up to that 8) but nothing is impossible...
seeker
I might point out that since EG creates a separate gravity field, what is within it will not "feel" the forces relative to the "outside." From the inside, there would be no forces felt.
Howdy A51,
Very cool explanation for both us intrigued and not so intrigued, get those folk's out the door before they crash the original meaning for the party!! 8)
As for the original footage, I have seen it plenty of times before. It still behooves me as too why people can't see the obvious of these sight's. You have explained this very well as I have mentioned before, bu the evidence is in front of ones eyes, and it seems as if there are more bashes out there than one would like to admit.
The Picture's you provided of the color distortions "Were they the same picture with different color resolution's or are they the raw material that happened to catch these color changes?"
I for one have to agree with Amaterasu on the whole EG theory. We know from experimenting with EG that it gives off it's own ambient mix of colors, waves and filters the objects to become not so much obscured, but enhanced with some kind of force surrounding the crafts of this nature with in itself.
Ionization has it's peculiarities when it is applied in a lab setting and with spectrometry cameras to read such event's, and for the most part, the video you have provided with this color variance implication may very well be the product of an EG type of power Plant.
Very educational thread for sure A51, I look forward to seeing what kind of resolve is in the future with these video's and stills.
1Worldwatcher
Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on May 20, 2012, 06:54:29 PM
As for the original footage, I have seen it plenty of times before. It still behooves me as too why people can't see the obvious of these sight's. You have explained this very well as I have mentioned before, bu the evidence is in front of ones eyes, and it seems as if there are more bashes out there than one would like to admit.
Yes that's why I started out by asking if this was candid camera. lol
All the aspects I explained were also obvious to me on the first viewing, much like yourself. I found it pretty humorous I had to explain these in detail.
But that is one of my shortcomings. I always lay out evidence, and expect that everyone will see the obvious implications. They don't.
Then Pim comes along and basically paraphrases what I just said and suddenly everyone 'gets it'.
He has a real talent for explaining the obvious and it's implications in terms everyone can understand.
I have been trying to do better, but obviously his gift of gab cannot be matched by me. ;D ;)
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The Picture's you provided of the color distortions "Were they the same picture with different color resolution's or are they the raw material that happened to catch these color changes?"
They are raw material, stills taken directly from the footage. This footage can be seen in the OP in the second video at 00:42.
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I for one have to agree with Amaterasu on the whole EG theory. We know from experimenting with EG that it gives off it's own ambient mix of colors, waves and filters the objects to become not so much obscured, but enhanced with some kind of force surrounding the crafts of this nature with in itself.
Ionization has it's peculiarities when it is applied in a lab setting and with spectrometry cameras to read such event's, and for the most part, the video you have provided with this color variance implication may very well be the product of an EG type of power Plant.
Well yes they are EG in the sense that they amplify gravity using voltages and amperes we can only dream of.
When first powering up and lifting off the ground, they exhibit a slight hissing sound we normally associate with corona discharge. The shape of these craft including no sharp angle edges anywhere, they are all rounded, indicates preventing corona discharge was a prime consideration in their design.
That footage just blows me away for evidence, "Some people's children." is all I can say...LOL
ArMap Said:
QuoteWhen first powering up and lifting off the ground, they exhibit a slight hissing sound we normally associate with corona discharge. The shape of these craft including no sharp angle edges anywhere, they are all rounded, indicates preventing corona discharge was a prime consideration in their design.
For the most part, I have never been close enough to a UFO to really get a good listen if or what kind of noise it made. I was once witness to an extremely large ( 5 story office bldg sized) UFO in the deserts of New Mexico, just SE of Moriarty (SP?) and it was seen by literally dozens of people all pulled of the road side area.
I knew it was a craft I have never seen before in my life, just as the rest of the on looker's were deducing, but it made no sound, it hovered off the ground and there was no sand or dirt being kicked up,(Could see the desert underneath it because there was light emanating from the bottom region) and it slowly lifted, slightly turned towards the Gulf of Mexico, and shot away. We watched it for a good 15-20 minutes, didn't have a camera then, was around 1977-79 era. But I seen it through binoculars, and it changed my life forever. Kind of the feeling you get when you look through a telescope the first time at a planet you have only heard about feeling.
There was a little fuel up station out in ht middle of nowhere that all of the on looker's gathered, families on vacation, people heading home from work, truck drivers hauling loads in that part of the country, which is why I was there my Father was an over the road driver.
We talked about it and reported to the police department from the fueling/convenience store area where we had stopped to discuss the sighting, but there was nothing more about it that was done, just a phone report with little more than the person who called for the authorities and the explanation of "Well, we will see if we get any more report's from others in the vicinity." kind of rhetorical response.
but, for it's size, it made absolutely no sound what so ever, didn't even disturb the ground it was hovering over.
Usually don't like to share these stories, but, to help you understand why I would contest the "Whirring Sound they Make" statement you made, I have to show my hand for the fruit of the conversation. As personal experience's go, it was mine, and I will always be moved by what I seen that night in the deserts of NM.
1Worldwatcher
P.S.S. I went with my Father often, I have seen many unexplainable thing's during those journey's. Fascinating life a trucker lives for sure.
I didn't mention anything about a whirring noise.
If you mean the slight hissing sound, Bob is the one who heard that when he was given a demonstration up close.
He said it made that sound when first powering up, but that it gradually became silent after that.
The saucers I saw over my city and out at Area 51, were silent as a dream, no matter how fast they were going.
They did not even disturb the air and make a whooshing sound as conventional craft do.
Sorry about the misinterpretation there A51,.. ;) was not reading well enough at that moment maybe. But yes, If you are referring Mr. L then I can see what you mean. If there is anyone that has a higher insight to these types of crafts, it has too be him.
I wish he would come around where he is wanted and discuss more of the issue, but I also know that that is a strum on a suicide drum for uncontrolled explanation's to questions and want too knows.
Either way, I am sorry for the confusion. On my part.
1Worldwatcher
Quote from: A51Watcher on May 20, 2012, 07:38:27 PM
When first powering up and lifting off the ground, they exhibit a slight hissing sound we normally associate with corona discharge. The shape of these craft including no sharp angle edges anywhere, they are all rounded, indicates preventing corona discharge was a prime consideration in their design.
This is quite true. I have witnessed the hissing myself.
yeah..what he said..just change the locale to over my area
The saucers I saw over my city and out at Area 51, were silent as a dream, no matter how fast they were going.
They did not even disturb the air and make a whooshing sound as conventional craft do.
yes, from the vantage point of where we were and where the craft was, it was a good 2-3 city blocks away, but with the binoculars, the sight was amazing.
I havedrawn it a few times for conversation with friends and family, Father was there too validate and he was somewhat of an artist too.
I do thank you so much A51 for allowing to correct myself, sometimes it is hard to get true meaning through a post an a website..... ???
I am glad the hound's of skepticism have ceased and desisted!! Great rebuttal's and excellent manor's my friend!!! 8)
And by the way,this is where the area is that we had this sighting A51, it was south of Martinez RD, about 3 mi. and out of Moriarity East about 50-75 mi.
http://g.co/maps/rw57k (http://g.co/maps/rw57k)
sorry , Idon't know how to post embedded link. "Anyone explain this too me an how to do it?" LOL Sorry once again A51.... ::)
1Worldwatcher
Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on May 21, 2012, 06:12:28 PM
sorry , Idon't know how to post embedded link. "Anyone explain this too me an how to do it?" LOL Sorry once again A51.... ::)
1Worldwatcher
To embed that the sighting was south of Martinez RD, about 3 mi. and out of Moriarity East about 50-75 mi
(http://g.co/maps/rw57k) you would do this. Click quote to see how it was done.
Quote from: deuem on May 16, 2012, 01:07:53 PM
Seeing how you put so much time into this the least I could do is to give you a photo for your scrapbook.
Before I forget, the like your new Avatar.
So from the photo above. Your first Deuem work up. Hope you like it.
I did nickname this photo Venus. It is not Venus.
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/venusc2w1.jpg)
The UFO
As you can see the Fields still show through regardless of the quality of the photo. The better the quality the better the results. But they are there and very different from the surroundings. It also looks like it is moving from 2 O'clock to 8 O'clock. Not viewing the video, is that right or wrong? There seems to be a wake to the right like a boat would leave. On the print you see I marked it with the balloon process. No I don't think this is a balloon, It is just the name given to that process because the original is now 4 and this one was altered to show different colors and balloons better. ( maybe I should change that name ) The original is called Night. Then I have Mixed and daytime. I ran all 4 on this photo but balloons came out the best.
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/VenusDaytimeBalloons.jpg)
This is Venus,
The planet, daytime, grabbed off the net for comparison.
So you can compare with Deuem the planet vs your Object if you wish. It started with the cleanest photo of a daytime Venus shot found on Yahoo. When I do comparison work like this is when the fun starts.
Enjoy,
Deuem
wow your work is truly art i might have to ask u one day if i could paint them on canvas? might just be some money in your art forum ! and of course you could get a canvas printer or simply project you image out inline on the canvas and paint the colors just as they really are! to make a cheap home projector simply print the image on plastic sheet like the folder type protectors.then get a box cut a sqaure winddow large enough for the image tape it from the inside and simply use as lampshade,darken the room .project on to the canvase now just draw the out line /after that paint as it apeers... believe me you would make some cash,give it a try.it would be amazing! i have enjoyed there beauty sence i first saw these amazing forums.
sent with great love
You have my Ok to try and paint any picture I present. Deuem and a paint brush don't mix well. Hard enough time getting used to chopsticks. lol, deuem
Quote from: deuem on January 14, 2014, 09:39:47 AM
You have my Ok to try and paint any picture I present. Deuem and a paint brush don't mix well. Hard enough time getting used to chopsticks. lol, deuem
cool thanks! some of my art work is on my web site i made it was easyer to display my atr then bring them to the people... www.familyflowers.50megs.com u can find some of my work under photos,the rest of the web was when i worked the 311 for neworleans after katrina bill and i both worked there as venders for fema.
how do u get those type of images?
the name of my first painting will be THE DEUEM REALITY may be it will become its own series LOL
never know i have a little fan base collectors all ready.but what worries me most is they say someday after you are gone it might be realy worth something...hummm lol is that a threat ....
Quote from: dasioux777 on January 14, 2014, 10:30:52 AM
how do u get those type of images? I have my style of processing photos. You can goto my Deuem standards. In it, are the answers to all your questions.
Look in Deuems area on the forum.
the name of my first painting will be THE DEUEM REALITY may be it will become its own series LOL Sounds great.
never know i have a little fan base collectors all ready.but what worries me most is they say someday after you are gone it might be realy worth something...hummm lol is that a threat ....
Yea, that's the way life works, many times we are worth more dead than alive.
Please take some picture as you progress, Start a painting thread in Area Deuem if you wish to. We need to remember this is A51s thread and we are running off his topic.
Maybe he can set up a new thread for you and move it.
Deuem
no problem! i love to paint draw anyting realy ,but only if it moves me in such aways, actually you guys pick what ever one you want i really see beauty in all of them.maybe i can take pics of each step and you can throw them into a video as i dont like to be filmed my husband is funny like that!so send me what u like it will give me something to do while im recovering from surgery .we have local gallerys here that asked if i wanted to place some my work....i haven't yet,the ones i have done has basicly been done all ready but this my freind has that wow factor ! getting it in the right gallery is all the difference an artist usaully can sell from 140.00-300.00 i have only sold a few ,they were never in a gallery they almost claimed before it was even finished ,being who i am they usally ended up being gifts or just enough for supplies lol