http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1043-massarrests
This was real interesting, i hope it's true!
Littleenki
I think David is a gatekeepper, building hope and the belief that We don't have to do anything Ourselves - someOne else will do it all for Us. I mean... Why give the scum advanced warning!?! Makes no sense to Me.
Sorry. I struggle with this. I WANT to believe David is NOT a gatekeeper... But... He has no interest in the Abundance Paradigm, though He did once show interest in My awareness of electrogravitics, suggesting an interview. I wrote Him a few weeks back on how that was going, and He never got back to Me.
So. What do I make of this?
Amaterasu
You said " He has no interest in the Abundance Paradigm, though He did once show interest in My awareness of electrogravitics, suggesting an interview. I wrote Him a few weeks back on how that was going, and He never got back to Me.
So. What do I make of this?
So why do you suppose that he showed an initial interest in your knowledge, only now to abandon that?
Linda
Quote from: Littleenki on May 30, 2012, 04:53:50 AM
This was real interesting, i hope it's true!
The Illuminati were wiped out centuries ago :P
However the Bilderburgers are in top form :D
Quote from: zorgon on May 30, 2012, 09:49:29 AM
The Illuminati were wiped out centuries ago :P
However the Bilderburgers are in top form :D
Is that why they feed burgers to everyone...to build them into little bilderburgers?
rambling...hobbit
Quote from: zorgon on May 30, 2012, 09:49:29 AM
The Illuminati were wiped out centuries ago :P
However the Bilderburgers are in top form :D
Hey, Zorgon, I guess thats true, and if the true Illuminati are hopefully gone, then are the Rothschilds the Bilderbergs? :o
Im not really that familiar with the difference, but Ill read up on that!
It seemed like a long transcription of that particular show, but the core ideas this guy talks about being a part of the plan are ok with me.
Amy, I know how it feels when that happens, as with several of these high profile folks like DW, Ive written to and thought we were becoming somewhat close, and then wham, no more contact, or very little.
I think in DW's position, he has so much going on around him, he needs to keep focused, and sometimes he probably just forgets who he's been discussing things with, if they arent in the limelight.
If he read Abundance, and didnt respond, Id have to wonder whats up with that, though, its a flower among weeds in the forward thinking arena.
Well, for me, its an amalgam of many possible scenarios this year's end, and this one, while somewhat socialism tainted, would be better than some Ive pondered from other sources.
Now, I just have to hope Im not related to any Bilderbergs!:D
Wow, Zorgon, what the heck is going to happen in 2012? With all of the current ideas and theories, my head is spinning!
I wonder how many hit points I lose for a spun head?;)
Cheers!
Littleenki
Quote from: hobbit on May 30, 2012, 09:56:39 AM
Is that why they feed burgers to everyone...to build them into little bilderburgers?
rambling...hobbit
Greetings:
Now,
that was funny...
And who said Hobbits have no sense of humor?
QuoteThe spirals are a consequence of the counter rotating torroidal local vortexs, and the apparent so called movement of any visable such occurances as reactions to how local memory fields are morphing, hence a tornado can turn on a sixpence.
Imagine having the ability to locally influence such.
But I won't haarp on about such, and I don't buy the evil picture painted, far far far from it.
As was the immediate above.
Would you care to elaborate?
Peace Love Light
tfw
Liberty & Equality or Revolution
Quote from: thorfourwinds on May 30, 2012, 01:11:28 PM
Greetings:
Now, that was funny...
And who said Hobbits have no sense of humor?
As was the immediate above.
Would you care to elaborate?
Peace Love Light
tfw
Liberty & Equality or Revolution
Hey, Thor, care for a berger? LOL!
Hobbit, you are a trip! Always thinking!
Baby Bilderbergs?
Im firing up the barbecue! I loves me some smoked baby!
>:-)
Le
Quote from: zorgon on May 30, 2012, 09:49:29 AM
The Illuminati were wiped out centuries ago :P
However the Bilderburgers are in top form :D
You can't do that Zorg!
I "might" know what you mean but that isn't fair on the readers who don't. which Illuminati do you mean?
Quote from: Linda Brown on May 30, 2012, 07:08:49 AM
Amaterasu
You said " He has no interest in the Abundance Paradigm, though He did once show interest in My awareness of electrogravitics, suggesting an interview. I wrote Him a few weeks back on how that was going, and He never got back to Me.
So. What do I make of this?
So why do you suppose that he showed an initial interest in your knowledge, only now to abandon that?
Linda
I think it may have something to do with the fact that I have taken My knowledge and developed it into something counter to the plans of Those who are pulling the strings on this planet.
Up until I brought up the Abundance Paradigm, He was all gung-ho. When that came up, He backed off and then ceased His communication. [shrug]
So... Merely an assessment of data on My part, and could be totally wrong. I'm just saying I am less impressed with Him now than before.
Quote from: Littleenki on May 30, 2012, 01:01:47 PM
Well, for me, its an amalgam of many possible scenarios this year's end, and this one, while somewhat socialism tainted, would be better than some Ive pondered from other sources.
Not even "socialist..." Socialism, like communism, is a scarcity paradigm construct. Abundancism is really a very different animal. Though some have called it "sharing" everything... It's more like ALL of Us having access to the enormous cornucopia of this planet. Not like the single pie divvied up equally, but like a giant warehouse of pies from which We may take as much or as little as We want.
Quote from: zorgon on May 30, 2012, 09:49:29 AM
The Illuminati were wiped out centuries ago :P
However the Bilderburgers are in top form :D
A pile o' crap by any other name... It is the "ideals," the plans, the perspective that persists, in hidden doctrine and behavior.
amaterasu
what i didn't understand about mr. wilcox is his "those god guys are bad" stance, while simultaneously channeling Ra, the sun god of ancient egypt. normally, i would be thinking "hmm, perhaps he's communicating somehow with a "god," and just has used the egyptian name for him (which i had thought was a reference to ea (enki), or more precisely, the e.abzu (enki's temple had been deified in the person of ra). "
but the more i read of his material, the more i realized that he, like everyone else, is confused. we're all working with only half (or less) of the data. this is why it is suggested to join a group that has a solidified stance (et.al, a religion or secret society, etc) and adopt it so that you're not always wandering around in the wilderness of little to no answers but lots of questions, cause it can lead to complete aberations from reality. it's a risk we all take when we become familar enough with our own world views, to proceed into further studies.
i'd point out where i think he's confused, but that's really not the point. didn't the terra papers guy claim that ra was some evil entity?
oh i found it. it's at the 3:45 mark in the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANVX_MEqhSM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4gcDeTmp68
Quote from: undo11 on May 30, 2012, 07:19:46 PM
what i didn't understand about mr. wilcox is his "those god guys are bad" stance, while simultaneously channeling Ra, the sun god of ancient egypt.
Quite simple really... the "OTHER GUY's God" is always the bad guy. If you follow RA then all other gods are evil. If everyone just accepted and followed their own god without the need to preach or attempt to force their god on someone else...
there would be true freedom of religion and peace on Earth
Not gonna happen in our lifetime though... sad to say
Undo.... you said....
"and adopt it so that you're not always wandering around in the wilderness of little to no answers but lots of questions, cause it can lead to complete aberations from reality
What do you mean by this?
Linda
Quote from: zorgon on May 30, 2012, 07:46:55 PM
Quite simple really... the "OTHER GUY's God" is always the bad guy. If you follow RA then all other gods are, evil. If everyone just accepted and followed their own god without the need to preach or attempt to force their god on someone else...
there would be true freedom of religion and peace on Earth
Not gonna happen in our lifetime though... sad to say
It seems that way, Zorgon, as the jehovah witnesses are in my hood right now! Oh dear!
I guess like so many succesful businesses before, the religions should just keep it....in house...and we all could get along fine.
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on May 30, 2012, 01:01:47 PM
Hey, Zorgon, I guess thats true, and if the true Illuminati are hopefully gone, then are the Rothschilds the Bilderbergs? :o
Im not really that familiar with the difference, but Ill read up on that!
The term "Illuminati" is like "Anti Gravity" a much misused and abused term :P
The actual group that was termed the Illuminati was a Rennaisance group that has since ceased to be
Historically the name refers to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1, 1776.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Adam_Weishaupt01.jpg/220px-Adam_Weishaupt01.jpg)
Adam Weishaupt, founder of the Bavarian Illuminati
But today people that do not know :P just group any secret society into the generic "Illuminati" meaning some evil secret group that means harm to humanity
Illuminati simply means "Illuminated One" Isn't that what we are all striving to achieve? So why are people, especially conspiracy nuts, so down on secret societies?
Sure there are bad apples, like Crowley for example who chose the Dark Side of the Force :D
Secret Societies came about because some knowledge should NOT be in the public domain. And before anyone calls BS imagine if every Tom Dick and Harry knew how to make an atom bomb
Secret Societies came about just like conspiracy websites A SAFE place to share knowledge that was taboo by the PTB of the day.
Also certain knowledge needs control... it needs to be taught in a certain way along with the wisdom of how to use that knowledge... You don't become a nuclear physicist or rocket scientist in grade school, right?
The Bilderbergers are naturally a power hungry political group. Queen Beatrice of the Netherlands is the head, There is a photo on the web somewhere of a meeting in Montreal... Hillary, Bush, Cheny and Obama are in that photos (and some others) coming out of the meeting. I will have to find that again...
Quote from: Littleenki on May 30, 2012, 07:56:29 PM
It seems that way, Zorgon, as the jehovah witnesses are in my hood right now! Oh dear!
I guess like so many succesful businesses before, the religions should just keep it....in house...and we all could get along fine.
I have had great debates with many religious people of all faiths... some as high as a Rabbi or Monsigneur... None of those I spoke with ever tried to convert me... they simply answered questions and listened to me. (Well I do tend to ignore the ones that push :P )
Here we have the JW's, Mormon's, Baptists and a few others making the rounds almost weekly. House behind me is a Mormon elder who has meetings regularly... down the street is a Buddhist house (and meeting center)
One baptist group came by while I was cutting the grass... one came over and told me I need to join their church and be saved from sin because god was about to destroy the world again...
I asked her why would I worship a god that is going to wipe out everything?
She had no answer just a dumfounded look 8)
Holy cow, I guess the lesson we learn from that is...dont try to mow your lawn! :o
You must live near Utah?
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on May 30, 2012, 01:01:47 PM
Wow, Zorgon, what the heck is going to happen in 2012? With all of the current ideas and theories, my head is spinning!
Well we are at the end of May... and other than some odd weather and temperature fluctuations (which are likely due to coming ice age cycle :P ) nothing has happened.
Russ Hamerly sent me a list of predictions for the year 2012... things that would happen as the year progressed
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/Vault/2012.png)
So far NADA So I think I will say that 2012
Will be business as usual
I do wander what the gloom and doom sayers will come up with after Jan 01 2013
My bet is Apophis the Destroyer for 2029 Even NASA isn't 100% sure of the trajectory ::) and it will come close enough to within the orbit of Geo Stationary satellites
(http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/apophis-2029.jpg)
You mean I get 17 more years! Oh goody!
Apophis does appear to be a contender, eh?
I wonder what the galactic alignment will do for its trajectory, or ours?
Did they figure that in, I wonder?
Thats a pretty wide margin for error!
Im running out to buy a helmet! ;D
Cheers!
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on May 30, 2012, 08:16:57 PM
You must live near Utah?
Vegas is not far from Utah :P I actually went to Salt Lake City over Christmas for the lights at temple sqaure I should post the awesome pictures we took Also at the old Mormon fort where they did a candle light Christmas
You don't have to be religious to appreciate beauty and history :D
There is also a huge Mormon temple here in Las Vegas a few blocks from John Lear's house
(http://www.michaelmargolies.com/Architecture/Churches-Temples-Sacred-Places/LV-Temple/117662692_r45uV-L.jpg)
Quote from: Littleenki on May 30, 2012, 08:29:19 PM
You mean I get 17 more years! Oh goody!
Apophis does appear to be a contender, eh?
I wonder what the galactic alignment will do for its trajectory, or ours?
If you notice on that trajectory it changes because of the proximity to Earth... Seems Earth's gravity changes it's course... (Maybe Hobbit can try to explain that one :P ) If it misses, then it will return in 2036 and we won't know its trajectory till after this pass
"galactic alignment" Which alignment is that? You do realize that the solar system crossed the plane of the galaxy 2 million years ago?
QuoteThe Sun is moving upwards, out of the plane of the Milky Way, at a speed of 7 kilometers per second. Currently the Sun lies 50 light-years above the mid-plane of the galaxy, and its motion is steadily carrying it further away.
But the gravitational pull of the stars in the Galactic (Milky Way) plane is slowing down the Sun's escape. The astronomer Frank Bash estimates that in 14 million years the sun will reach its maximum height above the Galactic disk. From that 250 light-year position, it will be pulled back towards the plane of the Galaxy. Passing through, it will travel to a point 250 light-years below the disk, then oscillate upwards again to reach its present position 66 million years from now. We crossed the plane 2 million years ago. We are currently in the thick of the galactic disk and our view of distant regions is largely blocked by dust but 10-20 million years from now, our motion will allow a full view of our starry galaxy.
What is the Speed of the Earth? (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/02files/Speed_of_Earth.html)The alignment they are talking of as far as I know is an astrological one where the view of the center of the galaxy will be blocked by the sun, thus aligning Earth Sun and Galactic Center
Ah, good clarification there, Zorgon!,
So, we should be fine as far as thats concerned, too!
I like your view on things, it has slowed me down a bit from the "end of the world" fever!:)
And, that church...breathtaking, like a scene from a sci-fi movie though!
I guess when their doctrine involves et's its prudent to have a church that fits the bill!
Looking forward to a better future, nevertheless!
Le
Quote from: Linda Brown on May 30, 2012, 07:52:50 PM
Undo.... you said....
"and adopt it so that you're not always wandering around in the wilderness of little to no answers but lots of questions, cause it can lead to complete aberations from reality
What do you mean by this?
Linda
i can think of a few examples, such as the lady who claimed planet x was incoming in 2003, told people to quit their jobs, sell all their stuff, kill their family pets and move to an underground facility.
Good example.
Quote from: Linda Brown on May 31, 2012, 02:51:29 AM
Good example.
yeah can you imagine someone telling you to shoot all your horses because planet x is incoming in that same year? planet x is based on sitchin's nibiru, which sitchin said wasn't supposed to be here until like another 200+ years. she just ignored that. she ignored pretty much everything. and when scores of people were mad at her when it didn't happen, she claimed she was lying to them to throw off the TPTB, who if clued in, in advance, would hoard everyone into major cities where they could be wiped out all at once or some such thing as that.
during that time, her and her closest followers were doing regular witch hunts of people who simply disagreed with her theory or asked questions like "well what about the fact sitchin's date for the return of nibiru isn't for another 200 years?" she banned all dissenters and claimed people were trolls and debunkers if they asked for answers to nagging questions surrounding her claims.
Quote from: Littleenki on May 30, 2012, 08:16:57 PM
Holy cow, I guess the lesson we learn from that is...dont try to mow your lawn! :o
You must live near Utah?
Le
Actually... There's a large Mormon population in Vegas...
Quote from: Amaterasu on May 31, 2012, 04:31:35 AM
Actually... There's a large Mormon population in Vegas...
I had no idea, Amy, Ive also never been lucky enough to go there, and I should once before I die, right?:D
Le
I think the "illuminati" are waiting for 2013 to make a move. They hyped up the year 2000, and just when We were all relaxed about getting past THAT year, BOOM, 9/11.
And 13 is an important number in the satanic circles... BUT:
I'm making no predictions. [grin]
Quote from: Amaterasu on May 31, 2012, 04:42:59 AM
I think the "illuminati" are waiting for 2013 to make a move. They hyped up the year 2000, and just when We were all relaxed about getting past THAT year, BOOM, 9/11.
And 13 is an important number in the satanic circles... BUT:
I'm making no predictions. [grin]
Right you are, Amy! Good advice...make no predictions, as all of them have been wrong til now, and most likely, it's a non event.
Now, 13, thats a scary number for many, and it is a satanic metaphor for many.
Golly, Amy will we ever get a year in without an armageddon scenario?
Still buying that crash helmet, though....purple and teal sound good?:D
Cheers!
Littleenki
Quote from: Littleenki on May 31, 2012, 06:25:05 AM
Right you are, Amy! Good advice...make no predictions, as all of them have been wrong til now, and most likely, it's a non event.
Now, 13, thats a scary number for many, and it is a satanic metaphor for many.
Golly, Amy will we ever get a year in without an armageddon scenario?
Still buying that crash helmet, though....purple and teal sound good?:D
Cheers!
Littleenki
Lovely! [smile]
Quote from: undo11 on May 31, 2012, 03:17:57 AM
planet x is based on sitchin's nibiru, which sitchin said wasn't supposed to be here until like another 200+ years. she just ignored that.
The problem with people is 'selective listening' :P They only have an interest in hearing what they think is the truth. The minute you try to show them facts they tune you out or worse.
If one wants to know what Sitchin said, then one should listen to Sitchin, not some Zeta Ding Bat who has her own interpretation to suit her needs :P
"Nibiru settled into a clockwise orbit (equal to 3,600 orbits of Earth around the Sun). Nibiru stabilized into a clockwise orbit, equal to 3,600 orbits of Earth around the Sun until 10, 900 B.C.E., when Nibiru arrived earlier, due to increasing drift from Solaris of Uranus. Uranus' gravity sped Nibiru's orbit. As a result of this close encounter between Nibiru and Uranus, one of Nibiru's moons, Miranda, was captured by and became a moon of Uranus as Nibiru and Uranus pulled at each other. From 10,000B.C.E. on, Nibiru's revolution sped to 3.450 Earth years; which makes Nibiru's next return 2900A.D. rather than 2012 as predicated on the earlier 3600- year orbit"
Sitchin, Z., 2007, The End of Days, pages 315 - 317 2900 AD not 2012
In Sitchin's own words... that is 892 years away...
As for the Mayans...
(http://wishididntknow.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/MayanCalendarCartoon.jpg)
Mornin' Zorgon!
Ah! Right from the book itself, the proverbial horse's mouth, eh,?
Sitchkin will be redeemed someday, maybe not in our lifetime, but soon enough!
I guess as Littleenki, I should read his tome from cover to cover, so over to Amazon I go!:)
Funny how these "books" have so much to offer, I may try "reading them" someday!!! ;)
What's your take on Haramein's analogy of the whole Nibiru story?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjD5aayptXk
Was it really a comet that went by a couple years ago? Thats a pretty cool theory he had, and pretty believable too.
I never heard about this until his video popped up in a search for nibiru on youtube. I bet youve heard it many times though.
The event with Uranus' moon is one that really gets me going though, and I will be looking that one up for more info injection later!:D
Littleenki
z
oh i thought you had told me, several times, that it was 200+ years from now, not 800+ years. sheesh. the number keeps changing
Quote from: zorgon on May 30, 2012, 08:07:29 PM
The term "Illuminati" is like "Anti Gravity" a much misused and abused term :P
The actual group that was termed the Illuminati was a Rennaisance group that has since ceased to be
Historically the name refers to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1, 1776.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Adam_Weishaupt01.jpg/220px-Adam_Weishaupt01.jpg)
Adam Weishaupt, founder of the Bavarian Illuminati
But today people that do not know :P just group any secret society into the generic "Illuminati" meaning some evil secret group that means harm to humanity
Illuminati simply means "Illuminated One" Isn't that what we are all striving to achieve? So why are people, especially conspiracy nuts, so down on secret societies?
That's more like it. Welcome back. :P
Quote from: Littleenki on May 30, 2012, 01:01:47 PM
what the heck is going to happen in 2012? With all of the current ideas and theories, my head is spinning
The Earth aligns with the Galactic Centre every year, once in opposition (Sun 26 degrees Gemini) and once in conjunction (Sun 26 degrees Sagittarius). There is nothing special about the alignment with Galactic Centre in 2012.
Also to pass through the plane of the galaxy would take hundreds of years so again there is nothing special about 2012 in this regard.
2012 may have been significant to the Ancient Mayans but the astronomical nonsense [edited to remove bit posted from another thread. Ooops ::) ] is NOT the reason why!
Regarding planetary alignments and EM, there is a long established relationship between planetary alignments and Sun spot activity. This is thought to be due to effects of the alignments on the EM field of the Sun.
Quote from: Littleenki on May 30, 2012, 01:01:47 PM
I wonder how many hit points I lose for a spun head?;)
It's understandable given all the nonsense out there mate. ;)
Quote from: Littleenki on May 31, 2012, 02:10:00 PM
What's your take on Haramein's analogy of the whole Nibiru story?
Was it really a comet that went by a couple years ago?
Well that comet that he calls Nibiru came in 2003... the same year that the Zeta people said to sell everything, shoot the pets and run for the hills :o
He makes the claim that THEY were hiding this comet, that no info was available. Just because something is not on the evening news doesn't mean it is hidden :P
That one in the video is Comet Neat discovered in November 6, 2002 by the Neat Observatory in Hawaii
(http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/hotshots/2003_02_12/Comet-neat.jpg)
QuoteThat's a pretty cool theory he had, and pretty believable too.
Why is it believable? To be sure he has charisma, especially with the ladies :P And he gets a lot of exposure, even the History channel covered him on those rocks of unknown origin that no one else gets to examine..
But why is he believable? He also says everyone has a black hole in their brain :D
QuoteI never heard about this until his video popped up in a search for nibiru on youtube. I bet you've heard it many times though.
Well the thing is since SOHO has been taking pictures they have recorded over 2000 such comets. And the news media doesn't care... its boring... unless they can put a slant on it... like that 'missile' in California that was a simple contrail at sunset :P
Astronomers knew about it and tracked it for two years
You can find all kinds of comets and other odd looking things at SOHO
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/hotshots/2003_02_12/
but you also need to know how things work to be able to interpret what you are actually seeing
Comet Neat got bigger than Jupiter...
Well yes and no.... the actual comet is only a few kilometers in size. As it nears the sun the gases on a comet get excited by the solar wind and glow and expand... so the apparent size is bigger than Jupiter
Comet 17P Holmes got bigger than the Sun (The coma not the rock :D ) and that one was visible to the naked eye for days
(http://2012rising.com/images/61.jpg)
The interesting about comet Neat was the timing of the CME... so there is debate now whether or not an approaching comet triggers a reaction on the Sun
The event with Uranus' moon is one that really gets me going though, and I will be looking that one up for more info injection later!:D
Littleenki
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Quote from: Amaterasu on May 31, 2012, 04:42:59 AM
They hyped up the year 2000, and just when We were all relaxed about getting past THAT year, BOOM, 9/11.
Well all things are relative :P
In 2000 the Rosicrucians made a decision to begin releasing more info to the public. :D And they are after all the creators of America ;) (yeah I will do a thread :P )
911? likely from the Bilderberg camp
QuoteAnd 13 is an important number in the satanic circles...
Really? What about the Last Supper? 12 Apostles and Number 13 was Jesus himself
Uh huh VERY 'Satanic' indeed
::)
And then there is this... obviously proving that women are all evil :P
In ancient cultures, the number 13 represented femininity, because it corresponded to the number of lunar (menstrual) cycles in a year (13 x 28 = 364 days). The theory is that, as the solar calendar triumphed over the lunar, the number thirteen became anathema.
As I said everything is relative to ones perceived reality :D
In the Mayan Tzolk'in calendar, trecenas mark cycles of 13 day periods. The pyramids are also set up in 9 steps divided into 7 days and 6 nights, 13 days total.
Zorgon,
Ever wondered if a comets tale is just a tail????
What if????
The comets tale is showing the route of a flow going in the direction of the tale....NOT as a result of a lump of rock hurtling the other direction.
If the comets tale was a consequence of emmision from the comet, You would think it would speedily vanish, instead perhaps it reveals about the creation of the comet in an electrical universe???
This planet may have such a tale, and thus could tell a tail.
But You may need to be far enough away to see it.
It's tres difficile to verbalise how I consider that nothing is moving as such as independant entities , but instead are switching relative to the phase conjugate flows it is created within.
The inbalance of those flows creating what We term as time, and whatever is created in whatever inbalance will operate at that speed of time, and will not be visable to other different time created entities, unless they modulate to whatever here and now speed of time.
hobbit
Quote from: Pimander on May 31, 2012, 05:52:35 PM
The Earth aligns with the Galactic Centre every year, once in opposition (Sun 26 degrees Gemini) and once in conjunction (Sun 26 degrees Sagittarius). There is nothing special about the alignment with Galactic Centre in 2012.
Also to pass through the plane of the galaxy would take hundreds of years so again there is nothing special about 2012 in this regard.
2012 may have been significant to the Ancient Mayans but the astronomical nonsense in the quote above is NOT the reason why!
Regarding planetary alignments and EM, there is a long established relationship between planetary alignments and Sun spot activity. This is thought to be due to effects of the alignments on the EM field of the Sun.
It's understandable given all the nonsense out there mate. ;)
My understanding is that it is a solar system alignment. That the earth gets close to an "alignment: every year, but...
Because the solar system is in an arm of the spiral, which itself spirals, once every some odd number of years, the whole solar system aligns with the EM "null point" of the galactic center as it swings up and around, then down and around. In December, the whole solar system will be at that null point and directly in alignment with the center of the galaxy.
This is what They are speaking of relative to the alignment of the galaxy center.
Quote from: zorgon on May 31, 2012, 06:23:47 PM
Well all things are relative :P
Well, yes, z. Frankly, I like the number 13 M'self. But I have known a satanist or two and 13 was highly significant to Them - for whatever reasons They had. Just saying that I would expect that year to be more to Their liking than 12...
Quote from: Amaterasu on May 31, 2012, 06:49:06 PM
My understanding is that it is a solar system alignment.
Then it isn't a galactic one surely?
Quote from: Amaterasu on May 31, 2012, 06:49:06 PM
Because the solar system is in an arm of the spiral, which itself spirals,
True so far...
Quote from: Amaterasu on May 31, 2012, 06:49:06 PM
once every some odd number of years, the whole solar system aligns with the EM "null point" of the galactic center
What do you mean by, 'EM "null point"'?
Quote from: Amaterasu on May 31, 2012, 06:49:06 PM
as it swings up and around, then down and around.
That just sounds like another way of saying crosses the plane of the galaxy in an eccentric way. Zorgon and myself have already explained that it won't be doing in the near future.
Quote from: Amaterasu on May 31, 2012, 06:49:06 PM
In December, the whole solar system will be at that null point and directly in alignment with the center of the galaxy.
Maybe you could show me a diagram of "where" this null point is or tell me astronomically? If so I'll tell you whether the "whole Solar System" is going to be there in December 2012....
Quote from: Amaterasu on May 31, 2012, 06:49:06 PM
This is what They are speaking of relative to the alignment of the galaxy center.
Who are "They"?
As I already said, I think it is nonsense but maybe you can change my mind with some answers. :)
Ow, my head just took twenty more hit points!;)
Le
You may note that I put "null point" in quotes initially. I meant the point where We pass from North to South in the galactic EM field. But if You say it's not in 2012 - I will take that at Your word. [smile]
Quote from: hobbit on May 31, 2012, 06:39:19 PM
This planet may have such a tale, and thus could tell a tail.
But You may need to be far enough away to see it.
Of course the Earth has a tail... it looks like this
(http://www.sunearthplan.net/media/tn_3874_terr_magnetosphere.jpg)
And yes the Electric Universe is a very sound concept... but a comet is still just a space rock, not Nibiru
In fact the solar system also has a tail
(http://sci.esa.int/science-e-media/img/92/Heliosphere02-410.jpg)
Aa' i'sul Tel'Anor nora lanne'lle
Quote from: undo11 on May 31, 2012, 02:25:35 PM
oh i thought you had told me, several times, that it was 200+ years from now, not 800+ years. sheesh. the number keeps changing
Nope that wasn't me I never said 200 :P In fact I posted that Sitchin qoute several times in the Stargate Thread ;) (and several other Nibiru threads as well) Each time it got ignored... because it would mess up with people's 2012 fantasy :D
And that 'selective listening' comment was NOT directed at you... it was a general comment on the way of the world these days :P
That SOHO site is awesome, Zorgon, thanks!
Le
Quote from: hobbit on May 31, 2012, 06:39:19 PM
It's tres difficile to verbalise how I consider that nothing is moving as such as independant entities , but instead are switching relative to the phase conjugate flows it is created within.
But as you said in another post recently... we ALL know NOTHING... its only our individual beliefs :D
But turn off the Sun and lets see if we can still be here to discuss it :D
Quote from: Amaterasu on May 31, 2012, 07:10:00 PM
You may note that I put "null point" in quotes initially. I meant the point where We pass from North to South in the galactic EM field. But if You say it's not in 2012 - I will take that at Your word. [smile]
Sorry if I come across as a bit pushy on this topic but I have been caught out myself in the past and it's kinder to be cruel sometimes. :)
Bear in mind that all the stars in the spiral arms are relatively close to the galactic equator.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Milkyway_pan1.jpg)
SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_way_galaxy
Here is a 360-degree photographic panorama of the Milky Way showing our edge-on view of the Galaxy. Look how close to the plane most of the stars are in the image. I know it is all relative but....
If you are interested in the science here is an abstract of a paper from the Astronomical Journal.
QuoteWe have determined the Sun's distance (Zsun) from the galactic plane using optical star counts in 12 Palomar Sky Survey fields, six each at the North and South galactic poles. The star counts were made in t6 square degree regions at the center of each field in the O (blue) magnitude range 15-18. All stars with O - E color greater than 1.8 mag (B - V- 1.1 mag) were selected to isolate a sample of disk population stars in this magnitude range. The total counts show significantly more stars in the six fields at the SGP indicating that the Sun is above the galactic plane as defined by neutral hydrogen. The observed ratio of N(SGP)/N(NGP) is 1.11±0.O2 leading to Zsun=20.5±3.5 pc above the galactic midplane.
The Sun's Distance Above the Galactic Plane. Astronomical Journal v.110, p.2183 (http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1995AJ....110.2183H)
BAsically it's a few miles out right now lol. 8)
Quote from: Amaterasu on May 31, 2012, 06:49:06 PM
Because the solar system is in an arm of the spiral, which itself spirals, once every some odd number of years, the whole solar system aligns with the EM "null point" of the galactic center as it swings up and around, then down and around. In December, the whole solar system will be at that null point and directly in alignment with the center of the galaxy.
This is what They are speaking of relative to the alignment of the galaxy center.
Have you seen my thread on the Milky Way not being our point of origin?
The problem with all this is the internet has litterally HUNDREDS of opinions about what is going on and what is to come... and over the last few years it has all gotten mixed together to the point that no one knows what is going on.
Out solar system is currently 50 light years ABOVE the spiral arm of the Milky Way. This can be seen on a clear night because we can SEE the plane of the galaxy in the night sky
(http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0907/devilstower_pacholka.jpg)
We are moving up (and 'up' is just a term we use for point of reference) and will eventually go out to 250 light years before we are slowed and bob back down, then go to 250 LY under the rim
We are bobbing up and down through the rim but also being caught up in the spin so the end effect of the solar system's motion is like a wave
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Wave.png)
At this current point in time... the left over arm of the Sagitarrius Galaxy is in our region of space. This is the Galaxy that some believe was our point of origin. Here is a graphic that illustrates it. We are located at that crossing point
(http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~mfs4n/sgr/sgr.time.jpg)
BTW According to Michael S. Heiser "Nibiru" means "Crossing Point" Just thought this was a good place to add that little trivia :D
The Milky Way - Welcome to your New Home Galaxy!
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=152.0
Quote from: zorgon on May 31, 2012, 07:35:47 PM
At this current point in time... the left over arm of the Sagitarrius Galaxy is in our region of space. This is the Galaxy that some believe was our point of origin. Here is a graphic that illustrates it. We are located at that crossing point
(http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~mfs4n/sgr/sgr.time.jpg)
BTW According to Michael S. Heiser "Nibiru" means "Crossing Point" Just thought this was a good place to add that little trivia :D
The Milky Way - Welcome to your New Home Galaxy!
Which of course makes us Space Invaders from Nibiru. 8)
Quote from: zorgon on May 31, 2012, 07:14:24 PM
Of course the Earth has a tail... it looks like this
(http://www.sunearthplan.net/media/tn_3874_terr_magnetosphere.jpg)
And yes the Electric Universe is a very sound concept... but a comet is still just a space rock, not Nibiru
In fact the solar system also has a tail
(http://sci.esa.int/science-e-media/img/92/Heliosphere02-410.jpg)
Aa' i'sul Tel'Anor nora lanne'lle
Ha Ha, like a fly into the web.
The Earth has a tail, but what is causing it???????
Quote from: hobbit on May 31, 2012, 07:51:46 PM
The Earth has a tail, but what is causing it???????
Already told you...
Aa' i'sul Tel'Anor nora lanne'lle ::)
Oh wait... I suppose you need a translation... :D
"May the Solar wind fill your sails"
Quote from: zorgon on May 31, 2012, 08:05:58 PM
Already told you...
Aa' i'sul Tel'Anor nora lanne'lle
::)
Oh wait... I suppose you need a translation... :D
"May the Solar wind fill your sails"
Yes of English in particuler( i'm from Yorks lad)
What causes the solar winds.
I will guess the answer as cosmic winds...which is where I was heading towards, especially hercules.
hobbit
Aa' i'sul Tel'Anor nora lanne'lle
???
Would that be a solar differential sail, perhaps, Zorgon?
;)
Le
Well. Thank You all for this wonderful information! I do appreciate it!
You will appreciate this Hobbit. My daughters reaction to something that she was told in school....
It was a General SCIENCE class.... she was maybe ten or so... we were on Catalina and of course she had experienced quite a few conversations with Dad when he was on the island. She asked her science teacher about " solar wind" He didn't know much about it.... she pursued the idea..... " if there is such a thing that Nasa calls " solar wind" then could a ship be made with sails to catch that wind and sail the Universe??? I would have respected this teacher far more if he had simply admitted that he didn't really know about that..and even more if he had encouraged her to look into it and report to the class later..( you would think that a science teacher would know that sort of stuff!!!) Even in the very elementary grades.... but instead of doing that his answer infuriated me. He said.....
"Thats not possible Jennifer. Those winds would knock your ship over"....... and he went on with the class.
Didn't stop her.... she asked me about it later. I asked her what she thought.... she looked right at me and said...." I don't believe him. I don't think he knows what he is talking about." I asked her how she came to that conclusion .She simply said " Because I can see it sailing"
Fewer teachers like that, and more kids like that and our future will be just FINE! Linda
Sooooo Indeed Linda!
The typical teacher is a wonderfully able person, but a few of them are bad apples, arent they?
I have two brothers in law who teach, and they take it very seriously when a student has an idea which furthers the lesson, so when I hear of a teacher who condescends a student it makes me sick.
Thankfully she had your family's dna, and thats enough to carry her through those days where she sees how silly and ridiculous some teachers will act towards someone who challenges their knowledge.
GOOD for her!
Cheers!
Littleenki
Quote from: Linda Brown on May 31, 2012, 11:43:32 PM
You will appreciate this Hobbit. My daughters reaction to something that she was told in school....
It was a General SCIENCE class.... she was maybe ten or so... we were on Catalina and of course she had experienced quite a few conversations with Dad when he was on the island. She asked her science teacher about " solar wind" He didn't know much about it.... she pursued the idea..... " if there is such a thing that Nasa calls " solar wind" then could a ship be made with sails to catch that wind and sail the Universe??? I would have respected this teacher far more if he had simply admitted that he didn't really know about that..and even more if he had encouraged her to look into it and report to the class later..( you would think that a science teacher would know that sort of stuff!!!) Even in the very elementary grades.... but instead of doing that his answer infuriated me. He said.....
"Thats not possible Jennifer. Those winds would knock your ship over"....... and he went on with the class.
Didn't stop her.... she asked me about it later. I asked her what she thought.... she looked right at me and said...." I don't believe him. I don't think he knows what he is talking about." I asked her how she came to that conclusion .She simply said " Because I can see it sailing"
Fewer teachers like that, and more kids like that and our future will be just FINE! Linda
And that ship will sail .
Forgive the teachers, they are doing what so many do , in picking up their pay cheques, and doing what they did and telling the kids to repeat, repeat, repeat.
I kept been sent home from school for so standing against this....little did they know thats what I wanted so I could go fishing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5ApYxkU-U
pink floyd, another brick in the wall
hobbit
Quote from: Linda Brown on May 31, 2012, 11:43:32 PM
"Thats not possible Jennifer. Those winds would knock your ship over"....... and he went on with the class.
You'd like to think they were joking but..... I say sack him! Sack the people who design the curricula too for that matter. >:(
10 years ago a guy showed me a program he made of a ship that could traverse the solar system with nothing but solar sail energy. it was reminiscent of a satellite. you could ride inside it in the program and change its trajectory and velocity etc, by manipulating the sails. was pretty interesting.
(http://science.nasa.gov/media/medialibrary/2011/01/24/dragsail_strip.jpg/image_full)
SOURCE: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/24jan_solarsail/
NASA have "sailed" a vessel in Earth orbit already.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lp-cTHjTtc
There are plans to take this further apparently. They want to use a pseudo LeGrange point closer to the sun to create an early warning system for Solar flares using a km2 Solar sail in 2014.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LmePYdraoU
Quote from: Pimander on June 01, 2012, 09:04:55 AM
You'd like to think they were joking but..... I say sack him! Sack the people who design the curricula too for that matter. >:(
Those that know how... DO
Those that don't... TEACH
:P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq2DATxcft0
Zorgon.... I am so familiar with that phrase and what it has become today.... and I would like to pull my hair out because of what it has become. You said the modern version...
"Those that know how... DO
Those that don't... TEACH
It USED to be different.
As you know I have spent a good deal of my life with horses as a professional rider and trainer. When I was younger I was expected to get the very best out of whatever showjumper I happened to be on at the time. Alot of that was youthful talent mixed with some skill. Years later soaring over looming fences started to lose some of its shine.... so I slowly slid into training kids to do what I used to do.
The proper expression then was....
Those that CAN...... DO
Those that CAN'T...... TEACH.[/color
]I was always proud of the fact that my students were able to benefit from a few of the techniques that I had learned through the years.... and some of the understandings that had really been hard for me to learn. Thats what its all about..... handing the best of what you know to the next generation.
But when your teaching is faulty.... you need to step down. Or be yanked down.
Linda
Mornin' folks!
I dont know about you guys, but this thread has become quite the lesson for me! I didnt have much of an interest in galaxies, alignments, and all that before, as I thought I had enough on my plate, but thanks to Zorgon and others, Ill have another helping please!
And, yeah! Pink Floyd? Hobbit slipped that in there, too!:D
Linda, youre right about that jumping, and riding, it can take it outta you after a day or two, I bet! Im sure you are a great teacher, although Im sure you were the best rider out there, too!
Pimander, you do say it like it is, the phrase: be kind to be cruel...priceless!
Amy, you got me going now, and I wonder what correlations to this so called alignment are really there for the perusal, or are many just using it for a prop to hold up their theories of 2012?
I have to say, that SOHO site is a fave now, and when I showed my wife the comet trajectories on the big screen, she was mesmerized as I was!
I guess Ive learned a great deal in one thread from many friends, and that is the crux of how to be a teacher, as you must always be willing to keep learning, too!
You all are so thoughtful and amazingly well informed, it's a distinct pleasure to be a part of PRC, endless thanks!
Having a margarita on my differential sailboat...:D
Cheers!
Littleenki
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 01, 2012, 02:03:41 PM
The proper expression then was....
Those that CAN...... DO
Those that CAN'T...... TEACH.
Typical English teacher... always correcting :P
QuoteBut when your teaching is faulty.... you need to step down. Or be yanked down.
AYE!!!! Like the Goode Olde Dayes in Boston, Tar and feather the scurvy Lot ARRRRR!!!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/Philip_Dawe_%28attributed%29,_The_Bostonians_Paying_the_Excise-man,_or_Tarring_and_Feathering_%281774%29_-_02.jpg)
There was another famous saying... from a Thule I believe...
"Those that know, don't talk...
Those that talk, don't know"I think that one solves the mystery of why we never get any real secrets :D
[/quote]
Quote"Those that know how... DO
Those that don't... TEACH
There is more to add to that... ;D
"Those that can't teach administrate"
ya left out the biggie.
do or do not. there is no try.
course, i think he's all wet but he's kinda cute for a little green guy
Quote from: Ellirium113 on June 01, 2012, 07:11:06 PM
There is more to add to that... ;D
"Those that can't teach administrate"
Then there's my favourite.
"There are lies, damn lies and then there are sayings." - Pimander 2012
:P :P :P
Quote from: undo11 on May 30, 2012, 07:19:46 PM
amaterasu
what i didn't understand about mr. wilcox is his "those god guys are bad" stance, while simultaneously channeling Ra, the sun god of ancient egypt. normally, i would be thinking "hmm, perhaps he's communicating somehow with a "god," and just has used the egyptian name for him (which i had thought was a reference to ea (enki), or more precisely, the e.abzu (enki's temple had been deified in the person of ra). "
If you read the Law of One, Ra basically identifies as an alien
group consciousness, not as a God; from memory he/it uses the term "social construct," or something similar. So we're basically talking about the collective egregor of a particular ET civilisation, apparently. The Egyptians presumably just called that a God, because they didn't really know what else to call it, and probably also didn't understand it.
Quotebut the more i read of his material, the more i realized that he, like everyone else, is confused. we're all working with only half (or less) of the data.
The Law of One in particular, is not David's material. The LoO was channeled by a woman named Carla Rueckert, in the early 1980s. Carla is obviously a bit older these days, but she's still channelling. David essentially publicised the LoO for her, and also does private readings where he claims to channel Ra himself. (Note; my use of the word "claims," there, is NOT meant to imply that I think he definitely doesn't channel the same entity, but rather that I do not know whether he actually does or not)
David makes a few claims which can be difficult to swallow. The other major one is his claim to be the most reincarnation of Edgar Cayce. My own feeling towards said claim is purely agnosticism; I'm entirely on the fence about it. It might be true, and it might not be, and I have no way of proving it either way, so I largely ignore it.
I exchanged one or two emails with David, during my time on the Ascension2000 mailing list, back in 2005 or so. I've truthfully always liked the guy, and came to his defense a couple of times on ATS, where he's generally regarded as a con artist, unfortunately; I consider that unfair. He did exhibit a mild guru complex at times, and he also demonstrated some paranoia about supposed Illuminati types being out to get him.
I've always believed, however, that David has fundamentally positive intentions, and the ethical model presented in the LoO, ended up becoming a foundational element of my own philosophy, after my departure from mainstream Christianity. I've seen the STO/STS model validated many, many times; in seven years, it has held up exceptionally well.
One major complaint of mine, on the other hand, is that David hasn't displayed anywhere near enough skepticism with either Ben Fulford or Drake, which is something I've seen a few people comment on. The consensus I've seen on Benjamin Fulford in particular, is that he's basically full of crap, and it's an opinion which I find difficult to disagree with, to be honest. Fulford makes some grandiose and outlandish claims, which I've never been able to verify, and the other people I've heard interviewed about it, have said similar. None of his statements are falsifiable. The mass arrest meme appears to have been pulled out of thin air, for all anyone else has been able to figure out about it.
Quotei'd point out where i think he's confused, but that's really not the point. didn't the terra papers guy claim that ra was some evil entity?
With apologies to Amaterasu, but I don't necessarily consider the TP authoritative, but to be fair, that's only because I've never really been able to find any external validation of that particular narrative; or at least, every element of it. It is interesting in some respects, I will grant it that.
My own form of (conspiracy theory, etc) research tends to rely on a collaborative model. While it's true that I consider academia a narcissistic circle jerk, as mentioned, I am still more likely to believe in something, if I can find a number of different (particularly disparate, or independent/unconnected) groups of people talking about it. If one person says something, and they are the only person who knows anything about it, then while that on its' own will not cause me to dismiss their statement entirely, it probably
will cause me to archive said statement, until such time as I encounter some other form of verification for it.
Hey, Petrus, I see you find Mr Wilcock to be the guy I do...a sort of wandering embodiement of many ideas and thoughts, some others some his own.Some believable, some far fetched.
I do think he has a grasp of what he is trying to convey better than most, but its a hard lesson to deliver when skeptics are around every corner waiting to dash his hopes for a new understanding.
I personally find him somewhat interesting and the Law of One was a decent piece, but nothing Im going to base my personal beliefs or thoughts on. Just another feather in the quill, if you will.
As for Drake, well he seems a bit off kilter to me, but some of what he says in that interview sounds valid, we'll just have to wait and see.
I havent really considered channeling to be a real sound source of information as most of what I do is read voraciously and absorb everything I can as far as differing opinions and writing go, and then use my own mind to formulate any possibilites within the realm of it's own devices.
I do think some channelers are real, but for the most part only a tiny percentage of them even give me a sense of truth or authenticity. I prefer the American Indian ones, and some South American ones as well...most channelers from the middle east are far too absorbed in the dogmas which pervade the lifestyle there, and dont exhibit clear thinking at all.
Plus the middle east doesnt have ayahuasaco!LOL!
I guess for a channeler, its all about the delivery and the right timing, and presenting what was seen and heard as a viable reality, but most channeling is too far fetched to gain validity in even the least mainstream areas of our vast fields of study.
Wouldnt it be cool, if a channeler just said once...."there arent any aliens coming for us, and noone is trying to take over the world, or control our minds...we are just here on the planet far from any other life forms and alone in our immediate region of space"...now who the hel! would listen to that channeling..its inherently boring and wont sell books, will it?LOL!
Cheers, Petrus!
Le