Before anybody asks..no i do not have any proof.. ::)
It is merely my opinion.
Let me put it this way...(1) Human/Whatever hybrid experimentation is un-ethical, immoral and repugnant...the public would not allow it, so it has to be concealed.
(2) The Military don't give a crap about ethics, morals or anything else nice you care to think of, they are in the business of killing and destruction and perfecting the means of killing and destruction, a manufactured soldier is very desirable...expand that a bit to manufactured entities for specific roles.
(3) All contacts are Humanoid..two arms, legs, eyes, ears..etc....most contacts up to WW2 are very human (Venusian) type....after WW2 we see the appearance of Greys and Orange etc.
(4) Explosion of Genetic and Chemical research during and after WW2
(5) The need to disguise advanced aircraft and propulsion research together with the need to hide Hybrid research creates a marriage made in Heaven, if Chimeras are found.."Aliens" if a disc is found "Aliens".
Just putting it out there to see what reaction it gets.
Cosmic..
What if though?????
The human race is an on going such hybrid program???
hobbit
what is this? circa 4000 BC. found at Eridu, from ancient Sumer.
see attached front and side views.
click to enlarge
Quote from: undo11 on June 05, 2012, 12:56:44 PM
what is this? circa 4000 BC. found at Eridu, from ancient Sumer.
see attached front and side views.
click to enlarge
It's a BIG HEAD.
As a dowser , i look carefully at that which is in their hands, especially the handbags( tinky winky)
hobbit
Quote from: hobbit on June 05, 2012, 12:23:47 PM
What if though?????
The human race is an on going such hybrid program???
hobbit
Hmmm yeah...what is the sound of one hand clapping....are we Archetypal...Hybrid with what ? Aliens ? do you have any Alien DNA to back this thesis up ?
Cosmic..
Quote from: hobbit on June 05, 2012, 01:04:08 PM
It's a BIG HEAD.
As a dowser , i look carefully at that which is in their hands, especially the handbags( tinky winky)
hobbit
that, my hobbit friend, is a pharaoh. 2000 years before pharaohs were said to exist and he's in eridu, enki's place. what's a pharaoh doing in enki's place ? why's he got six or more fingers on each hand? he even has a fang sticking out of his mouth. that is a very ancient, and possibly the first ever, pharaoh. this piece was originally red, clay baked terra cotta.
Six fingers would be really usefull for plying the guitar??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-eHDyrA94I&feature=relmfu
One hand clappers????
I was joking with BIG HEAD, but factual????
hobbit
Quote from: undo11 on June 05, 2012, 12:56:44 PM
what is this? circa 4000 BC. found at Eridu, from ancient Sumer.
see attached front and side views.
click to enlarge
Well first let me say hello undo...
Second....yeah yeah yeah..i know about Sumer and the Fish gods with wings.. ::)
Strangely we neither look like fish nor do we have wings so that rules out hybridization with them..Annunaki..Nephilim whatever.
The stories in Sumer and ancient Egypt (Khemit) and the old testament all refer to events that befell Civilization 1 IMHO.
If you can find Alien DNA in the Human Genome i will gladly eat my shorts...
Cosmic..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/edinblur/6902136363/
Handbag,
pinecone
Both in the hands????
hobbit
Quote from: Cosmic4life on June 05, 2012, 01:18:50 PM
Well first let me say hello undo...
Second....yeah yeah yeah..i know about Sumer and the Fish gods with wings.. ::)
Strangely we neither look like fish nor do we have wings so that rules out hybridization with them..Annunaki..Nephilim whatever.
The stories in Sumer and ancient Egypt (Khemit) and the old testament all refer to events that befell Civilization 1 IMHO.
If you can find Alien DNA in the Human Genome i will gladly eat my shorts...
Cosmic..
well not that i'm convinced these guys are aliens in the traditional sense, but i'm pretty sure that given sufficient technology, hybridization is not so far out in the realm of scifi to ignore the possibility. that is, if you're arguing in the context of possible vs impossible. since we as yet can't actually define impossible, all we have left is possible.
Quote from: undo11 on June 05, 2012, 01:25:39 PM
well not that i'm convinced these guys are aliens in the traditional sense, but i'm pretty sure that given sufficient technology, hybridization is not so far out in the realm of scifi to ignore the possibility. that is, if you're arguing in the context of possible vs impossible. since we as yet can't actually define impossible, all we have left is possible.
There are some things we can rule out..
Like Aliens.
There are adaptions that are evolutionary...and then there are great macro-mutations....extinction/Macro-mutation events happen...species disappear to be replaced by often smaller more complex species...the causes seem to point to gamma ray bursts or similar which can unzip DNA.
It is likely therefor that we have undergone both macro-mutation and adaption....a Human from 50.000 yrs ago may well look different.
On average modern humans are a foot taller than humans 300 yrs ago.
Cosmic..
Quote from: Cosmic4life on June 05, 2012, 01:18:50 PM
Well first let me say hello undo...
Second....yeah yeah yeah..i know about Sumer and the Fish gods with wings.. ::)
Strangely we neither look like fish nor do we have wings so that rules out hybridization with them..Annunaki..Nephilim whatever.
The stories in Sumer and ancient Egypt (Khemit) and the old testament all refer to events that befell Civilization 1 IMHO.
If you can find Alien DNA in the Human Genome i will gladly eat my shorts...
Cosmic..
How do YOU determine what "human DNA" is???
It may be alien DNA, and the on going program is to create the perfected human????
You started this thread with a disclaimer about having no proof.
Please don't therefore demand said proof.
hobbit
i AGREE Hobbit. How do we know what side of the fence we are on to begin with?
And one thing has been proven. Radiation will cause mutations. Mutations can be amazingly positive.... or amazingly negative. Nature usually culls the negatives and hangs on and encourages the positive results.
We have entered an age where we have ALREADY changed the radioactive levels of this planet for centuries to come. What will that mean to us as a species? We are ALREADY on that road so are we prepared for some of the posiitive mutations which are going to occur??? Are we prepared to see the negative and to live through natures own culling process? And the heartache that is going to bring?
Is it perhaps possible that some other Entity.... perhaps with knowledge of our future already is here helping now.... I think that they have been asked well enough, don't you?
And I am a horseman so interested in such things as genetics. Justin Morgan had a horse <g>............. Linda
Quote from: hobbit on June 05, 2012, 01:49:57 PM
How do YOU determine what "human DNA" is???
It may be alien DNA, and the on going program is to create the perfected human????
You started this thread with a disclaimer about having no proof.
Please don't therefore demand said proof.
hobbit
I have made no such demand....
i merely stated that if you could come up with some Alien DNA i would eat my shorts...where's the demand in that.
Given the balance of probabilities and the vast distances between stars...
And yes i did make a disclaimer of no proof...but at least Genetic manipulation BY humans ON humans in the modern era 1930's to present is plausible if not self evident.
These days it is possible to create an Alien looking Human/Chimera with full human intelligence..educate it from cradle to maturity in full isolation without any human contact....program them with the belief of Alien origin..give them a unique language..
We can create our own Aliens.
I think if push comes to shove i could probably prove we have the technology.
Cosmic..
Quote from: undo11 on June 05, 2012, 01:07:54 PM
that, my hobbit friend, is a pharaoh. 2000 years before pharaohs were said to exist and he's in eridu, enki's place. what's a pharaoh doing in enki's place ? why's he got six or more fingers on each hand? he even has a fang sticking out of his mouth. that is a very ancient, and possibly the first ever, pharaoh. this piece was originally red, clay baked terra cotta.
Daddy!
It appears our fine pharaohs were quite a bit older than we think, eh, Undo?
Beautifully indicative sculptures that something was afoot back then with our lineage.
Of course the dynastic Egyptians didnt have a clue as to how to really build a pyramid, and enjoyed using them for fodder in their religious rites.
Sumerians? just the civilization lucky enough to benefit from dna hybridization, and yep as Hobbit says look to the hand bags, and pine cones, as they are the last tools used by our forefathers the Annunaki.
And those ruins in South Africa? Thats where they bred them and penned them up until the dna was just right. Like a perfect porridge of human stew.
Lulus.
Tinky Winky? oh dear!LOL!:D Hobbit you are a trip!
Now, I hope they werent using the handbags to gather pineal glands from unsuspecting citizens, but hey, what do I know?
Le
Quote from: Cosmic4life on June 05, 2012, 02:13:11 PM
I have made no such demand....
i merely stated that if you could come up with some Alien DNA i would eat my shorts...where's the demand in that.
Given the balance of probabilities and the vast distances between stars...
And yes i did make a disclaimer of no proof...but at least Genetic manipulation BY humans ON humans in the modern era 1930's to present is plausible if not self evident.
These days it is possible to create an Alien looking Human/Chimera with full human intelligence..educate it from cradle to maturity in full isolation without any human contact....program them with the belief of Alien origin..give them a unique language..
We can create our own Aliens.
I think if push comes to shove i could probably prove we have the technology.
Cosmic..
i arrived at similar thoughts as your own but also took into consideration some 4000 years of written history. : )
Quote from: Littleenki on June 05, 2012, 03:21:34 PM
Daddy!
It appears our fine pharaohs were quite a bit older than we think, eh, Undo?
Beautifully indicative sculptures that something was afoot back then with our lineage.
Of course the dynastic Egyptians didnt have a clue as to how to really build a pyramid, and enjoyed using them for fodder in their religious rites.
Sumerians? just the civilization lucky enough to benefit from dna hybridization, and yep as Hobbit says look to the hand bags, and pine cones, as they are the last tools used by our forefathers the Annunaki.
And those ruins in South Africa? Thats where they bred them and penned them up until the dna was just right. Like a perfect porridge of human stew.
Lulus.
Tinky Winky? oh dear!LOL!:D Hobbit you are a trip!
Now, I hope they werent using the handbags to gather pineal glands from unsuspecting citizens, but hey, what do I know?
Le
"Daddy"
No undo says it's Mummy.
Whats that little bit sticking out then????
I am sorry, but cosmics position is one of thinking that the here and now ourselves are humans, and always have been humans.
Our whole history could be of constant mutation by whoever or whatever are operating the agenda.
By means of secrecy acts and compartmentilization it will be simple to obscure what is actually at play.
I find it arrogant to think WE are somehow a natural evolved species , with some alien entities just appearing in the last century to alter us about.
Now for the strange hobbit opinion.
We exist in multi dimensions , and these include TIME.
WE are the so called aliens, and it is ourselves orchestrating the changes to best cope with naturally occuring variations in cosmic radiations that we presently hardly even recognise.
But our alternate dimensional selves do recognise this , but also know the future path of what we term as time, as such whatever will be , will be ....at the TIME it will be.
I am suffering the frustrations from feeling that I already know what is in our future, but been unable to verbalise in any way about this, as it simply does not yet exist within what is an overall memory field relative to this planet.
hobbit
"Daddy"
No undo says it's Mummy.
Whats that little bit sticking out then?
My enki wenki!;)
Le
Hobbit....
"I am suffering the frustrations from feeling that I already know what is in our future, but been unable to verbalise in any way about this, as it simply does not yet exist within what is an overall memory field relative to this planet"
Yeah...... what you said! ;)
I note.... since you can not go there that Mikado has gotten a member on the Hut to intercede for him and now has reapplied for membership here. I want your promise PLEASE kind sir.... that if Mikado shows up here that you will NOT respond to what I know will be attacks on you and me both... and whoever else is within his range and agenda. Can you do that Hobbit? I know how he can make the hairs even between your toes stand right up on edge but we must NOT react to him or we are playing right into his hands. Please Hobbit... he has worked very hard to try to get on here and I am sure he has plans. I just don't want us to turn into his tools... ( for me..... the rest of that phrase should be ..... again :-[ )
This Forum has assured me that they can take care of themselves so I am going to trust in that!
Littleenki.... oh, so thats what that is <g> Linda
Linda Brown,
As We are discussing about hybrid mutations.....
I forgive all.
but the temptation to remove certain mutated humans enki wenkis is a powerfull urge...possibly implanted to cause distraction and strife.
i will resist this ...for You, who I admire so enormously.
I have a huge admiration for the one we used to think of as a big green troll guarding Your fathers inventions.
If He changes colour back to such ?????there will be nobody more pleased than me.
After all wasn't there a tale somewhere of a returning son with a coat of many colours, been welcomed back???
Upon this site We now have the wonderfull deuem...who reveals the field of many colours.
Josephs brothers sold out their brother for twenty pieces of silver, in a jealous state of confusion about their brother with a coat of many colours.
It may be very strange how humans react when subjected to a field of many colours?????
hobbit
QuoteNo undo says it's Mummy.
hehe. no no, not mummy. silly hobbit. :D
Quote from: hobbit on June 05, 2012, 12:23:47 PM
What if though?????
The human race is an on going such hybrid program???
hobbit
hobbity, You took the words right out of My mind! I do believe We are.
interesting comment, in this vid about another subject,
that the abductions have stopped because they had enough hybrids now
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1443.0
if Chimeras are found.."Aliens" if a disc is found "Aliens".
A long time ago I ventured into the tangled web of forums... "happening" upon one called the History Channel.... and someone has posted something up there regarding my Dads notebooks. So of course I responded and got a pretty quick lesson in how strange that world actually was. But the word Chimera came up then too and I wondered if perhaps we have already messaged on that earlier Forum?
It was an odd word to me. I had never seen it and had to admit that I had to look it up. It has some very specific and interesting definitions....
Cosmic? Have we interacted already on the History Channel..... all of those messages of course are gone now... but what would we have expected? Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 06, 2012, 12:59:33 PM
if Chimeras are found.."Aliens" if a disc is found "Aliens".
A long time ago I ventured into the tangled web of forums... "happening" upon one called the History Channel.... and someone has posted something up there regarding my Dads notebooks. So of course I responded and got a pretty quick lesson in how strange that world actually was. But the word Chimera came up then too and I wondered if perhaps we have already messaged on that earlier Forum?
It was an odd word to me. I had never seen it and had to admit that I had to look it up. It has some very specific and interesting definitions....
Cosmic? Have we interacted already on the History Channel..... all of those messages of course are gone now... but what would we have expected? Linda
To answer your question and maybe to your relief ....No...I have never posted on History Channel.
For the record i only post in three sites...all as Cosmic4life....ATS..PRC..and Planet Infowars...although i am also a member of GLP but never post there.
The reason the word (Chimera) is less well known is a testimony to the secrecy/suppression of the program IMHO.
I could also say the widespread knowledge of the word (Alien) is a testimony to the diversion.
I look forward to interesting convo's with you Linda.
Cosmic..
Well, I was into Greek mythology when I was in school - so I have known about Chimeras for decades. Of course, I had never heard it pronounced until about ten years ago, and was reading it as "Shimmera." LOL!
Well, I was into Greek mythology when I was in school - so I have known about Chimeras for decades
See..... thats the ODD part here. I was like you. I specialized in ancient history and mythology.... YET.... I had never seen the word.... AT ALL....before being drawn into that History Channel experience.... still don't know how to pronounce it.....
But why is that?????
Sometimes you learn alot about things by learning what it is that you are NOT told. At least thats the way I am discovering that it works in my strange world!
Like Chimera for example. I am a fairly well read person. I liked to think .... or at least when I had time to read ... I considered myself that. It is an anomaly that I had never seen that word. What does that vacant spot in my learning tell me.?.... that the word was with held from me.... until now..... so I am answering the call now to look... after all of these years.... into " Chimera" Linda
Kaimera is how it's pronounced. Kai-mera. K-eye-mera... LOL!
Maybe it was to draw Your attention all the more to the term...
Quote from: hobbit on June 05, 2012, 01:16:34 PM
Six fingers would be really usefull for plying the guitar??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-eHDyrA94I&feature=relmfu
One hand clappers????
I was joking with BIG HEAD, but factual????
hobbit
what about a guy with 9 fingers instead of 10? :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcFBBimDUpE
well i'll jump in here.
.i had never come across the word chimera ..until i was working in breeding mushroom strains...from then on it seems to appear on a regular basis
in different topics..
wierd
Careful with those mushrooms, Sky!
The reality benders are bad!!! :o :o :o :o :o
A friend decided to grow his own mushrooms, and all he found on the web was sites selling the spores for hallucinogenic strains, called chimera or reality benders.
Scary stuff those shroomers, but shitaakes? Love em, and would love to learn to grow them!
Any advice?
Littleenki
poopaakes? I dunno. The name itself is scarey!!! Linda
Back to Chimera....
Something that displays two distinctly different blood types. Right? Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 06, 2012, 01:50:10 PM
Well, I was into Greek mythology when I was in school - so I have known about Chimeras for decades
See..... thats the ODD part here. I was like you. I specialized in ancient history and mythology.... YET.... I had never seen the word.... AT ALL....before being drawn into that History Channel experience.... still don't know how to pronounce it.....
But why is that?????
Sometimes you learn alot about things by learning what it is that you are NOT told. At least thats the way I am discovering that it works in my strange world!
Like Chimera for example. I am a fairly well read person. I liked to think .... or at least when I had time to read ... I considered myself that. It is an anomaly that I had never seen that word. What does that vacant spot in my learning tell me.?.... that the word was with held from me.... until now..... so I am answering the call now to look... after all of these years.... into " Chimera" Linda
Hard to determine what is considered a Chimera in this day and age considering the diversity of life found on this planet alone could fill volumes of encyclopedias. Not to mention the natural course of mutations and the rate at which each species mutates. Did all races of humans evolve together or did something happen to make one race unique...could this also be considered a "Chimera"? Technically nearly everything that evolved differently from it's parent organism is a chimera.
DNA studies tell us now that all humans are descended from 5 human females. Tracing the mitrochrondrial DNA this is possible... so in the broadest sense it is possible to say that we are all either brothers and sisters.... or cousins at the very least.
You say
Technically nearly everything that evolved differently from it's parent organism is a Chimera.[/color
So maybe what we were before these five women... was something entirely different? And we are all Chimera then?
But getting back to the blood type which is the only thing that I seem to be able to remember. Why is that? That a true Chimera has TWO distinclty different blood types. How can that be???? Linda
maybe this will help
http://www.scq.ubc.ca/the-truth-about-chimeras/
To understand how modern genetic engineering can produce chimeras, we must understand the genetic basis of such entities. Chimeras, from a geneticist's point of view, are living creatures that contain two or more genetically distinct lines of cells that originated from two or more different zygotes. (This is different from another genetic phenomenon called mosaicism, where different cell lines may emerge from one single zygote.) In essence, chimeras are complexes of two genetically different animals.
Scientists have noted long ago the existence of natural chimeras, and these usually occur within the same species. An example is the extremely rare fertile male tortoiseshell cat that carries both male and female chromosomes as a result of fusion between the brother and sister embryos during fetal development. Another example is the parasitic chimerism that occurs naturally in the lifecycle of the leftvent fish. The immature male leftvent attaches itself to a female fish, and fuses its body to that of the female, and a chimera is thus formed. The male then loses most of its organs and focuses on the development of the testes instead, thereby reaching sexual maturity. The female nourishes the male via their interconnected circulatory systems.
or on another note the impanting of human parts in critters to be harvested for medicine
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0125_050125_chimeras.html
Animal-Human Hybrids Spark ControversyMaryann Mott
National Geographic News
January 25, 2005
Scientists have begun blurring the line between human and animal by producing chimeras—a hybrid creature that's part human, part animal.
Chinese scientists at the Shanghai Second Medical University in 2003 successfully fused human cells with rabbit eggs. The embryos were reportedly the first human-animal chimeras successfully created. They were allowed to develop for several days in a laboratory dish before the scientists destroyed the embryos to harvest their stem cells.
Minnesota last year researchers at the Mayo Clinic created pigs with human blood flowing through their bodies.
And at Stanford University in California an experiment might be done later this year to create mice with human brains.
Scientists feel that, the more humanlike the animal, the better research model it makes for testing drugs or possibly growing "spare parts," such as livers, to transplant into humans.
Watching how human cells mature and interact in a living creature may also lead to the discoveries of new medical treatments.
But creating human-animal chimeras—named after a monster in Greek mythology that had a lion's head, goat's body, and serpent's tail—has raised troubling questions: What new subhuman combination should be produced and for what purpose? At what point would it be considered human? And what rights, if any, should it have?
There are currently no U.S. federal laws that address these issues.
Ethical Guidelines
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 06, 2012, 05:20:46 PM
poopaakes? I dunno. The name itself is scarey!!! Linda
Oops the auto correct for the word starting with shi@ made Sh#$aakes into poopaakes!LOL!!!!! :P
Such a friendly program, that autocorrect!
Le
Soooooo.... if we are able to do that now......... why is it impossible to believe that we are not the result of such planning.... and that those five women.... our ancestors... were not invested with something beyond their animal base? That makes perfect sense to me.
Anybody else? Linda
Quote from: Littleenki on June 06, 2012, 06:14:51 PM
Oops the auto correct for the word starting with shi@ made Sh#$aakes into poopaakes!LOL!!!!! :P
Such a friendly program, that autocorrect!
Le
Heck. I say Let's just change their name to "poopaakes!" Oh, this has Me rolling here! That is so funny! Was wondering why I had never heard of poopaake mushrooms. Now I have! LOLOLOLOL!
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 07, 2012, 02:20:29 AM
Heck. I say Let's just change their name to "poopaakes!" Oh, this has Me rolling here! That is so funny! Was wondering why I had never heard of poopaake mushrooms. Now I have! LOLOLOLOL!
That has to be the funny for the day!
I thought...poopake? what the????
I think thats the official name from now on!
Emeril would be proud!
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on June 07, 2012, 04:22:57 AM
That has to be the funny for the day!
I thought...poopake? what the????
I think thats the official name from now on!
Emeril would be proud!
Le
I think the official spelling is (We'll see if this runs) shiitake.
And I think that is the funniest thing I have seen in six months!
Quote from: Littleenki on June 06, 2012, 05:04:18 PM
Scary stuff those shroomers, but poopaakes? Love em, and would love to learn to grow them!
Any advice?
Yes go into the woods where a bear shat a week ago. You will find those poopaakes
I suppose I can eliminate that... it only has to words in it actually I never programmed it. The s word and the infamous F word
I always find it funny that you cannot say you took a sh!t today but its okay if you shat yesterday
So I can change the S word to bananas and the F word Frodo
And other suggestions :D
Quote from: Cosmic4life on June 05, 2012, 01:04:48 PM
Hmmm yeah...what is the sound of one hand clapping....are we Archetypal...Hybrid with what ? Aliens ? do you have any Alien DNA to back this thesis up ?
And God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness"So we are part primate, part Anunaki :D
Compare ape DNA to ours and the differences are theirs. That be your 'alien DNA
One Anunaki (http://web.archive.org/web/20080204010714/http://www.1anunnaki.com/intro.html)Too bad that film never made it :'(
Indeed, Zorgon, and we are the Lulus, too!
As you had asked in another thread, where is all of the gold?
It seems we have been mining the whole time, and we havent even realized why.
And why do these gold mines still exist, if there isnt any gold to be found? What else is down there that they want so bad?
Our hybridized dna has us acting as slaves after six millenia of becoming civilized, and no end in sight, unless the gold runs out.
Sometimes Id rather be a baboon! ???
Le