Quote from: A51Watcher on June 18, 2012, 05:24:08 PM
Well I was thinking...
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Just found this video on Australian main stream TV. I am sure this has to be one of Bob's or John's old films from Area 51 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYrsjYHHMFU
Quote from: Littleenki on June 19, 2012, 04:13:42 AM
Was that cow yelling...eat mor chikin? :o
le
Cow Abduction - A serious Problemhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i9_cktwGQY
Camouflage for Cows...(http://www.maniacworld.com/Cow-Abduction.jpg)
Close Encounters of a Herd KindThe Ox-Files: 'Mass cow sacrifices by aliens' sent White House into panic, FBI records revealQuoteCows were sacrificed by aliens sending the White House into a panic declassified FBI files have revealed.
It is claimed that more than 8,000 cows were abducted by UFOs before they were mutilated and thrown back down to earth over the southern United States during the 1970s.
The memo is one of thousands of previously unreleased classified files that the bureau has made public in a new online resource called The Vault.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/04/13/article-1376533-0B9D0AFE00000578-482_634x349.jpg)
QuoteWhen news of the cow abductions reached the White House in 1979, there was fear.
'The materials sent to me indicate one of the strangest phenomenon in my memory,' said the then US Attorney General Griffin Bell in a letter to senator Harrison Schmitt, according to The Sun newspaper.
Mr Schmitt represented New Mexico, where countless incidents were reported at a ranch in Dulce, a small town in the north of the State.
In one case an 11-month old bull was dropped close to someone's house from an aircraft and its sex organs had been removed.
8,000 cows were abducted by UFOs - Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1376533/8-000-cow-abductions-reported-southern-U-S-sent-White-House-panic.html)Senator Harrison Schmitt??? :o Apollo Astronaut and the guy with the Helium 3 Fusion projects mentioned in the same sentence as DULCE?
Dulce???
Too bad Phil Schneider isnt around to ask a few questions.
Not much positive has come from Dulce, and someone I know had a bizarre experience there back in 2000, and he said he saw a guyhunched over at table next to him in a diner, and when he asked the guy if he was ok, he turned and his bottom lip had partially fallen off for no apparent reason.
No blood, no reaction, the dude just bolted from the place.
Ill Steer clear of Dulce...no pun intended.
Le
Cattle MutilationQuoteCattle mutilation (also known as bovine excision) is the apparent killing and mutilation of cattle under unusual or anomalous circumstances. Sheep and horses have allegedly been mutilated under similar circumstances.
A hallmark of these incidents is the surgical nature of the mutilation, and unexplained phenomena such as the complete draining of the animal's blood, loss of internal organs with no obvious point of entry, and surgically precise removal of the reproductive organs and anal coring. Another reported event is that the animal is found dumped in an area where there are no marks or tracks leading to or from the carcass, even when it is found in soft ground or mud. The surgical-type wounds tend to be cauterized by an intense heat and made by very sharp/precise instruments, with no bleeding evident. Often flesh will be removed to the bone in an exact manner, consistent across cases, such as removal of flesh from around the jaw exposing the mandible.
Since the time that reports of purported animal mutilations began, the causes have been attributed variously to natural decomposition, normal predators, cryptid predators (like the Chupacabra), extraterrestrials, secretive governmental or military agencies, and cults. "Mutilations" have been the subject of two independent federal investigations in the United States
QuoteUnconventional explanations
Government/military experimentation
In his 1997 article "Dead Cows I've Known", cattle mutilation researcher Charles T. Oliphant speculates cattle mutilation to be the result of covert research into emerging cattle diseases, and the possibility they could be transmitted to humans.
Oliphant posits the NIH, CDC, or other federally funded bodies, may be involved, and they are supported by the US military. Part of his hypothesis is based on allegations that human pharmaceuticals have been found in mutilated cattle, and on the necropsies that show cattle mutilations commonly involve areas of the animal that relate to "input, output and reproduction". To support his hypothesis, Oliphant cites the Reston ebolavirus case in which plain clothes military officers, traveling in unmarked vehicles, entered a research facility in Reston, Virginia, to secretly retrieve and destroy animals that were contaminated with a highly infectious disease.
Additionally, a 2002 NIDS report relates the eyewitness testimony of two Cache County, Utah, police officers. The area had seen many unusual cattle deaths, and ranchers had organized armed patrols to surveil the unmarked aircraft which they claimed were associated with the livestock deaths. The police witnesses claim to have encountered several men in an unmarked U.S. Army helicopter in 1976 at a small community airport in Cache County. The witnesses asserted that after this heated encounter, cattle mutilations in the region ceased for about five years.
Biochemist Colm Kelleher, who has investigated several purported mutilations first-hand, argues that the mutilations are most likely a clandestine U.S. Government effort to track the spread of Bovine spongiform encephalopathy ("mad cow disease") and related diseases, such as scrapie.
Theories of government involvement in cattle mutilation have been further fueled by "black helicopter" sightings near mutilation sites. On April 8, 1979, three police officers in Dulce, New Mexico, reported a mysterious aircraft which resembled a U.S. military helicopter hovering around a site following a wave of mutilation which claimed 16 cows. On July 15, 1974, two unregistered helicopters, a white helicopter and a black twin-engine aircraft, opened fire on Robert Smith Jr. while he was driving his tractor on his farm in Honey Creek, Iowa. This attack followed a rash of mutilations in the area and across the nearby border in Nebraska. The reports of "helicopter" involvement have been used to explain why some cattle appear to have been "dropped" from considerable heights.
Aliens and UFOs
Various hypotheses suggest cattle mutilations have been committed by aliens gathering genetic material for unknown purposes. Most of these hypotheses are based on the premise that earthly entities could not perform such clean dissections in such a short space of time without being seen or leaving evidence behind at the mutilation site, and around laboratory reports suggesting the use of unconventional cutting tools and other unexpected phenomena.[citation needed] Some suggest that as cows make up a significant part of the global human diet a study is being carried out on this element of the human food chain. Numerous speculative theories abound, but others center on possible specific nutrient requisites, hormone procurement, species propagation (reproduction), and rote experimentation on mammalian populations.
Cattle Mutilation - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_mutilation)The following video is a simulation....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXI1Ze2xsUo
Wow, Zorgon, it's amazing the effort that has gone into the cow abduction investigations.
My guess is if it has been taken so seriously, theres some meat behind it.
Do you think it coincides with the reptilian chupacabra myth?
Le
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/Vault/cow_001.png) (http://www.cowabduction.com/warning/)
http://www.cowabduction.com/warning/
Road sign in Taos, New Mexico
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Quote from: Littleenki on June 19, 2012, 05:09:04 AM
My guess is if it has been taken so seriously, there's some meat behind it.
Prime Rib :P
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/Vault/cow_002.png)
FBI Vault (http://vault.fbi.gov/search?SearchableText=cattle+mutilation)
Quote from: zorgon on June 19, 2012, 05:21:50 AM
Prime Rib :P
Of course, the best of which is in your town!;)
Le
On a serious note, I wonder...if it's "others" doing the mutilation, could it be connected to the Bull of heaven?
It seems the Sumerians had a penchant for killing bulls and such.
(http://worldhistoryforusall.sdsu.edu/images/Sumer-Bull.jpg)
(http://www.crystalinks.com/gilgameshrelief1.jpg)
(http://www.craton.net/music/gilgamesh/gilgamesh2.jpg)
Enkidu gets the last blow in here!
Le
(http://www.cowabduction.com/images/large/documentation/artist_rendering_4_w.jpg)
This heart breaking drawing was sent in by a 3rd grader in Riverdale, Ca - Cow Abductions.com (http://www.cowabduction.com/)
(http://www.cowabduction.com/images/large/documentation/artist_rendering_3_w.jpg)
A sketch by Sarah Horn, wife of dairy farmer John Horn. Note the time at the bottom of the page - Cow Abductions.com (http://www.cowabduction.com/)
Quote from: Littleenki on June 19, 2012, 05:34:12 AM
It seems the Sumerians had a penchant for killing bulls and such.
So you think maybe Sumerians are slipping through dimensional portals and doing it?
Maybe... after all Robert Bigelow and the NIDS team was seeing something like that at Skin Walker ranch in Utah :o
Just found this... something every Area 51 nut just HAS to have :D
Cow Abducted By UFO Lamp(http://s3files.core77.com/blog/images/abductionlamp_cow_ill_500x5.jpg)
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Alien Abduction Lamp - UFO Lamps (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002S3HQMC/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=pegasreseacon-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B002S3HQMC)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/pickinonme.gif)
Cow abductions and the space elevatorNot sure what space elevators have to do with cattle mutilations :o
QuoteCattle mutilation (also known as bovine excision) is the apparent killing and mutilation of cattle under unusual or anomalous conditions. UFO devotees use the term "mutilation" to describe animal corpses with unusual or inexplicable features.
A foremost authority of animal mutilations is Linda Moulton Howe, a journalist who has researched the cattle mutilations enigma for over a decade. Her book, "An Alien Harvest" (1989), explored further evidence linking animal mutilations and human abductions to alien life. In some cases, witnesses were interviewed under hypnosis. Linda Howe told of a cow abduction case in Missouri where a cow was floated up to an awaiting UFO in the sky. It is claimed that UFOs have abducted cows that were mutilated and thrown back down to earth. The blood was drained from abducted cows, or the animal's organs seemed to be carefully and completely removed.
QuoteIn what appears to be the result of extraterrestrial encounters, dairy farmers are reporting a rash of cow disappearances in California. A woman recently captured photos of a so-called cow abduction in Argentina. And astounded scientists lay blame on a government cover up.
QuoteFBI files allegedly reveal that up to 8000 cows have been mutilated and abducted. It is branded as "an alarming and insidious problem." Cattle mutilations are not only associated with UFO sightings, alien abductions, and crop circles. They are also linked to black helicopter sightings:
"Gabe Valdez was a former New Mexico state patrol officer in the Dulce, New Mexico area. During his tenure, beginning in the 1970's, he was tasked with investigating mysterious cattle mutilations. The area suffered many cases of cattle found mutilated without blood, organs that appeared carefully removed and cuts in the skin that were so precise they were believed to be made by lasers. After years of research Valdez concluded that a clandestine government agency was responsible and that they used secret underground bases in the Dulce area for their experiments." (Alejandro Rojas, "New Mexico Cop Says Military Responsible for Cattle Mutilations," The Huffington Post, August 22, 2011)
With cow abductions debated on George Noory's Coast-to-Coast radio show, and the vending of such novelties as graphic abduction t-shirts and cow abduction mouse pads, is it really any wonder that space elevator securities are massively in debt with a legal cloud hanging over them?
Cow abductions and the space elevator
Peter Fotis Kapnistos
Unexplained Mysteries (http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/column.php?id=223551)Unexplained Cow Abductions in Roswell! (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CzBQGS81Mjk/Tzfv8ayfajI/AAAAAAAAXWk/Qqhnm0dVmJ4/s320/annual-Roswell-cow-abduction-day.jpg)
QuoteSunday, April 1, 2012
Every year around this time unusual things happen around Roswell. The precious Black Angus cows disappear en masse from the surrounding ranches. Some ranchers reported that they found their animals brutally mutilated. Organs were missing from the carcasses and strange, indecipherable markings have been made on the animals' necks.
Although no UFO sightings were registered in the area for quite some time, the locals suspect that their cows were victims of alien abduction and mischief. A witness who wished to remain anonymous remembers seeing some orbs in the sky on his way to Santa Fe.
Unexplained Cow Abductions in Roswell! (http://heavencanwaitcardsandgifts.blogspot.com/2012/04/unexplained-cow-abductions-in-roswell.html)(http://www.ufohypotheses.com/AlienHarvest.jpg)
Alien Harvest: Further Evidence Linking Animal Mutilations and Human Abductions to Alien Life Forms
Linda Moulton Howe (Author), Jacques Vallee (Foreword) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0962057010/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=pegasreseacon-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=0962057010)
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Cow Abductions! 2012 Calendar
Dale O'Dell (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1607553171/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=pegasreseacon-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=1607553171)
Mornin' Zorgon!
That Bigelow sounds like a pretty eccentric guy, but albeit with a definite passion for what he does! I just read a quick page or two about him and NIDS, and it seems he has a hamdle on how the black ops work....never sent an e-mail....no trails!
Youre around LV, have you ever gotten to meet him, or associated with his group? it appears he is onto the aerpspace path now, and I wonder if he has decide to take the search into orbit with those inflatable satellites?
Looking deeper into his work, for sure.
Le
I cannot recall what TV program I watched, but it was about UFOS and covered Cattle Mutilation...and showed pictures of parts of them that had been interfered with ...and there did not appear any butchery involved like one would expect....There were orifices in various places of the cattle but they seemed smoothly penetrated....
IF I recall later they concluded that the Cattle had been taken by special Helicopters and taken somewhere to be treated and then brought back and dropped from a height.
IF this has been proven to be incorrect or a cover up then this is new news to me !
Years ago the entire cattle mutilation deal was quite the rage and of course Linda Moulton Howe was right there on top of everything... and she is great fun to watch at conferences....and besides being pretty... she is smart, smart, smart........ the subject raged for quite awhile and many thought for sure that aliens were doing all of this because....who else could it be?
Sort of " Let the little grey guy take the blame..." While the public is yammering about alien abductions no one will look in our direction.
I always figured it for Army or military medical tests but the idea of folks finding these corpses made no sense to me. After all.... if you are going to rustle cattle in the west.... fer petes sake.... don't get caught doing it... when you are finished with those cattle bury them in a deep pit with plenty of lyme on a military reservation and no one will know the difference. The farmers will blame cougars or something.....
But leaving them all mutilated for the public to find? That was SOMEONES decision... and I think that they got plenty of play out of it and maybe a few giggles.
I admit... after about the 1000nth report I tuned out. And I think everybody else did. Lindas Book did well... but I think even she moved on.... I remember once conference where EVERYBODY seemed to be using their own personal " remote viewer".... and that was only about eight or nine years ago.
I don't know whats happening with that field of interest now. How did they finally resolve it? Did the military finally fess up? I know that there was a rumor of a bunch of cattlemen having a " heated" debate with some military helicopter pilots.... Did anyone ever fess up? Pay damages? Promise to never do it again?
I would have paid more attention if they had been doing this with horses I guess but then the first one I believe WAS a horse ..... ( named Snippy?) I was just a young woman ( I think it was 1966-67?) when I heard about that and even THEN when everyone was saying " Flying Saucers" I was mad at the military.
Course I was spending time with General Curtis LeMay at the time. I wouldn't have put anything past that man.
Linda
Quote from: Littleenki on June 19, 2012, 01:16:04 PM
Youre around LV, have you ever gotten to meet him, or associated with his group? it appears he is onto the aerpspace path now, and I wonder if he has decide to take the search into orbit with those inflatable satellites?
Met his wife but not him directly yet
I will have a page in the Insiders on him soon :D
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 19, 2012, 05:09:00 PM
I would have paid more attention if they had been doing this with horses I guess but then the first one I believe WAS a horse ..... ( named Snippy?) I was just a young woman ( I think it was 1966-67?) when I heard about that and even THEN when everyone was saying " Flying Saucers" I was mad at the military.
Yeah that story was in the article on page one...
QuoteHistory
Charles Fort collected many accounts of cattle mutilations that occurred in England in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
Reports of mutilated cattle first surfaced in the United States in the early 1960s when it was allegedly largely confined to the states of Pennsylvania and Kansas. The phenomenon remained largely unknown outside cattle raising communities until 1967, when the Pueblo Chieftain in Pueblo, Colorado published a story about a horse named Lady who was mutilated in mysterious circumstances, which was then picked up by the wider press and distributed nationwide; this case was also the first to feature speculation that extraterrestrial beings and unidentified flying objects were associated with mutilation.
The Lady/Snippy mutilation
The first allegedly strange death of livestock comes from near Alamosa, Colorado, in 1967. The real name of the animal was Lady, but the media quickly adopted the name "Snippy" (the name of another horse at the ranch), which stuck.
On September 7 of that year, Agnes King and her son Harry noted that Lady, a three-year-old horse, had not returned to the ranch at the usual time for her water. This was unusual, given the heat and the arid conditions.
Harry found Lady on September 9. Her head and neck had been skinned and defleshed, the bones were white and clean. To King, the cuts on Lady seemed to have been very precise. There was no blood at the scene, according to Harry, and there was a strong medicinal odor in the air.
The next day, Harry and Agnes returned to the scene with Agnes' brother and sister-in-law, Mr. and Mrs. Berle Lewis. They found a lump of skin and horse flesh; when Mrs. Lewis touched it, the flesh oozed a greenish fluid which burned her hand. They also reported the discovery of fifteen "tapering, circular exhaust marks punched into the ground" over an area of some 5000 square yards. (Saunders and Harkins, 156) The medicinal odor had weakened somewhat, but was still present.
Mrs. Lewis contacted the United States Forest Service, and Ranger Duane Martin was sent to investigate. Among other tasks, Martin "checked the area with a civil defense Geiger counter. He reported finding a considerable increase in radioactivity about two city blocks from the body." (Saunders and Harkins, 157) Later, Martin would state, "The death of this saddle pony is one of the most mysterious sights I've ever witnessed ... I've seen stock killed by lightning, but it was never like this." (ibid., 159)
After trying to interest other authorities with little success, Mrs. Lewis turned to her professional connections: she wrote occasionally for the Pueblo Chieftain. Her account of Lady's strange death was published in that newspaper, and was picked up by the Associated Press on October 5, 1967. Soon, much of the United States knew the tale of Lady's death, and other reports of similar phenomena in Colorado emerged.
That same day, an account by Superior Court Judge Charles E. Bennett of Denver, Colorado, saw publication. Bennett and his wife claimed to have witnessed "three reddish-orange rings in the sky. They maintained a triangular formation, moved at a high speed, and made a humming sound." (Saunders and Harkins, 157) The civilian UFO research group NICAP became involved in the case as well, and some people speculated that UFOs were somehow involved with Snippy's death.
Shortly thereafter, an anonymous Denver pathologist's account of his necropsy saw publication. Lady's brain and abdominal organs were missing, he said, and there was no material in the spinal column. The pathologist insisted on anonymity, he said, due to fear his reputation would be damaged with involvement in such a high-profile case.
The Condon Committee, then at the University of Colorado, sent its coordinator, Robert Low, to investigate. Low brought in Dr Robert O. Adams, head of Colorado State University's Veterinary and Biomedical Science School.
Adams examined Lady and the evidence. He concluded there were "No unearthly causes, at least not to my mind." (Saunders and Harkins, 164) Adams noted a severe infection in Lady's hindquarters, and speculated that someone had come across the dying horse and slit its throat in order to end its misery. Then, Adams said, scavengers had inflicted the rest of the damage to the horse.
To some, this settled the question, but Mrs. Lewis argued that Adams' conclusions failed to account for the lack of blood at the scene and the medicinal odor.
Low reported that he'd located the "anonymous pathologist"; Low said that the man was "widely misquoted" and was furthermore not a pathologist. The man's opinions of Snippy's death generally matched Adams', said Low. Jerome Clark later identifies the anonymous man as hematologist John H. Altshuler. (Clark, 17).
The Lady/Snippy mutilation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_mutilation)As to Flying Saucers... maybe those Military saucers they were testing were messing with us :D
City folk.
and speculated that someone had come across the dying horse and slit its throat in order to end its misery.
Oh please.
Anyone way out in the country like that would have had a rifle or a handgun with them...... on coming across a fatally injured horse they would have put a bullet between its eyes and then if they didn't know who owned it they would have left a note pinned somewhere......or under a rock nearby..... Someone had a fanciful imagination here but thats not the way it would have come down in real life.
Ask any Colorado rancher. Or Texas, or New Mexico.
Am I right? Linda
Agreed.
I feel sorry for the horse, and the cattle too.
It is often reported that the soft tissues around the mouth & reproductve organs, this tissue creates biochemicals useful in cloning operations.
Just an idea...
Could I offer a very mundane natural cause????
Cattle and horses have four feet widely spaced.
I know for certain that oppositively charged nodal points exist in fibonacci sequenced distances apart.
Such as 34.55.89.144 inchs apart.
Horses and cattle are often stood ankle deep in wet mud.
Could it be possible( I consider certain) that a natural discharge through animals such as cattle and horses could result in discharges through their genitals and or throat areas?????
And that this would result in instant death via the removal of the animals life force, with transmutation occuring at the discharge areas.
That any secret system utilising such knowledge would then introduce fancifull ET done it stories to veil humanity from ever understanding the method of creation and annihilation that THEY have under their control.
hobbit
WHY have I not built a device to fit across these points????
OF COURSE.
hobbit
Ah! A Hobbit in charge of future weapons development. Now we are all in trouble! And if I thought that he was serious.... my comment would be to................... Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on June 19, 2012, 07:25:04 PM
Ask any Colorado rancher. Or Texas, or New Mexico.
Am I right? Linda
yeah even John's wife went packin' every time they went up to the mine... never know when ya might run into some rattlesnake or other varmint ;D
Quote from: zorgon on June 20, 2012, 12:32:27 AM
yeah even John's wife went packin' every time they went up to the mine... never know when ya might run into some rattlesnake or other varmint ;D
Hey, Zorgon, have you ever had a thread on the visits to the mine specifically?
After hearing the night vision story, I bet there are some pretty cool tales that go with the trips out there!
Spooky desert tales, perhaps? ;D
Le