Sorry, but i really had to laugh about this one, however its a great achievement!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpNuh-J5IgE
Whats wrong about it?
This for instance?
(http://thingsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Easter-Island-Statue-Moai-Unearthed-Dug-out-Uncovered-Deeply-Buried.jpg)
Oh, and how did they buried/carved them out of the stone?
(http://0.tqn.com/d/archaeology/1/7/q/3/1/easter_island12.jpg)
;) ;) ;)
Indeed!:)
Wow, Lunica! Soon theyll solve the mystery of Baalbek, by telling us that the trilithon was floated into place with a bathtub!LOL!
That is a good theory of how it's moved, and may have some merit if there was a way to do that over hill and terrain, but as we know from our studies of these ancient civilizations, moving the stones wasnt even an issue until they were cut from the ground!
Everyones asks..."how did they move them?" and they come up with some wild theory about it, yet they never delve into "how did they cut them" nearly as often.
personally I find the cutting and shaping of megalithic structures to be just as mysterious if not more, than the moving of the parts after construcion of them.
Puma Punku is the crowning acheivement for stone cutters, and of course the 4th stone of Baalbek is another. Add in the obelisk' in Egypt and the beautiful stonework at any Inca site, and the puddle turns to a lake.
Anyway, if I was a scientist, and some philantropic group wanted to spend thousands on a trip to a famous place to try to replicate any megalithic methods...Id be on it like white on rice!
Where do I sign? :D
Cheers!
Littleenki
I saw this yesterday and I was very fascinated to learn they could do this. It could also explain many other large stones. Simply walk them where you want them and then place them. The ole KISS theory.
As far as what's wrong? Did they bury them that deep or is a lot of it sediment of the years. The ground has several colors to it. As they dug it out, they must have figured the original depth. This could have been as simple as dig a hole and then walk it over the hole. Plop in it goes, add fill and you're done.
As far as cutting the stones, I would use a jack hammer and TNT. They somehow did it the hard way! Or got some help?
Deuem
Quote from: deuem on June 22, 2012, 01:17:34 PM
I saw this yesterday and I was very fascinated to learn they could do this. It could also explain many other large stones. Simply walk them where you want them and then place them. The ole KISS theory.
As far as what's wrong? Did they bury them that deep or is a lot of it sediment of the years. The ground has several colors to it. As they dug it out, they must have figured the original depth. This could have been as simple as dig a hole and then walk it over the hole. Plop in it goes, add fill and you're done.
As far as cutting the stones, I would use a jack hammer and TNT. They somehow did it the hard way! Or got some help?
Deuem
It's a pretty well accepted theory that some of the Rapa-Nui were descendants of the pre Inca societies, and they brought certain stone working techniques to Easter island. They also had members with polynesian DNA and through the years they combined not only genes of both, but stone techniques of both.
What I find odd, is that they felt compelled to do any of this on an island with little resources, where every tree or natural item on it would have been needed for resourceful living.
So, it isnt a matter of how they built the Megalithic heads, its a matter of why did they waste so much time and resources on doing it?
Something must have imprinted their society with a profound need for such monuments, and as you pose Dueum...they probably had some help from those the heads emulated.
"Here's a special tool for cutting stones...in exchange for you building huge monuments to us" would be a possible line from the past.
Of course as we know, ley lines and such were important to the ancient societies, and our friend Ed Leedskalnin was probably another in a long line of experts in this strange field, and Coral Castle was the equivalent of Easter Island for him.
Some believe Ed L. had done this all by himself and come up with the rebirth of Egyptian technology, but many myself included, believe the Egyptians didnt build the pyramids, and only some of the smaller sites with the technology given to them by....Dueum's "helpers."
If Ed had discovered the lost secrets of the Egyptians, were those secrets just nuts and bolts tech like he proposed?
Or were they a gift from some other entity, with alterior motives in mind, such as vortex energy structures that would last for tens of millenia?
Either way, if the Rapa-Nui did cut those stones with hand tools, and move them with ropes and levers, they are clearly one of the most accomplished societies we have ever found on Earth, and with a clear understanding of whatever forces they used to build the heads, they were able to wipe the island clear of trees and resources, effectively casuing a massive decline of it's inhabitant's quality of life.
Regardless, the monuments stand, and someday when we are dust and dirt in the ground, someone else will find Easter Island and wonder the same things we do now.
Cheers!
Littleenki
Also Eastern Island, like Littleenki pointed out more or less, seems to connect with the other ancient sites.
I think this simple video says a lot. It gives a good perspective on how big the big ones are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P13QYFApdo
TNT? Serious? :o :)
(http://www.chileculture.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Easter-Island-unfinished-moai.png)
Yea, drill holes, shaped charges, why not? I like when they blow stuff up! They dig tunnels that way. With this, all you would have to do is to fracture the immediate rock around the hole and once you have the basic shape, do the rest by hand or impact guns. Pneumatic chisels would have that rock dressed out in a few days with a good team. In less than a month the rock would be ready for final cutting by the Artist using modern methods.
I see this as a series of good learned "tricks of the trade". Learned the hard way, but passed down. Find the right rock, cut out the oversized figure, clean it down to size, and then either move it first or finish it first and place it. It might be easy to finish the shape once it is standing up and in the final resting position. I would like that if I had to do it. So moving it would not destroy the finished art work.
Drilling a hole in rock is not that hard of a thing to do. I would figure out a way to have nature or another force help me get rid of the rest. The trenches on the sides of the rock in the quarry look large enough to get a man in there. So real high tech was not used.
With me and Easter Island it is the shape of the statues that I wonder about, not so much the creation of them. Who were they built for?
Deuem
I get Archeology Magazine as a subscriber. They have just recently received more funding for the unearthing of the Monoliths and continue too do so via time and effort.
As for the walking part, I would bet my bottom dollar they couldn't do this with the bigger of the Monoliths, way too big for any human powered scenario, but very interesting how they did walk it though.
Personally, even with the DNA example given By LE, I am stuck at "Did they leave the Island" or "Were they forced off theIsland" type of scenarios.
TOO me it looks sediments debris has engulfed the statues, not a direct act of burying them. But, this is my opinion, I guess.
1Worldwatcher
http://www.archeology.org
Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on June 24, 2012, 11:59:07 AM
I get Archeology Magazine as a subscriber. They have just recently received more funding for the unearthing of the Monoliths and continue too do so via time and effort.
As for the walking part, I would bet my bottom dollar they couldn't do this with the bigger of the Monoliths, way too big for any human powered scenario, but very interesting how they did walk it though.
Personally, even with the DNA example given By LE, I am stuck at "Did they leave the Island" or "Were they forced off theIsland" type of scenarios.
TOO me it looks sediments debris has engulfed the statues, not a direct act of burying them. But, this is my opinion, I guess.
1Worldwatcher
http://www.archeology.org
Love my archaeology, 1WW!
Wise words the wondering why they left, if they did, and often i have wondered the same thing. Were they dwindled dwonthrough resource mismanagment, or was there a more mysterious motive for their low numbers?
Kind of like where did the Mayans go, eh? Just a few stragglers left to be found later on and start over again with, while the rest went "home?".
And, of course we have to ask the question...who really built the Moai? Is it possible the rapa-nui just found them upon their travels, and intertwined them into their history, like the Egyptians did the pyramids?
That would explain the petroglyphs.
Also, there is the link between Easter Island and Mohenjo Daro, too, and I wonder if the two societies were using the opposing points on the planet a some sort of portal or energy device?(http://www.dudeman.net/siriusly/ac/geom/circles2.gif)
Also, if the statues were sedimented as they seem to be, wouldnt that be a perfect example of what would happen with a prolonged flood scenario?
Im certain that if these statues were there before the so called great flood or another one of equal proportions, that could explain the sediments, and maybe there are ways to examine the sediment for indicators of salt water and sealife fossilizations, that can more accurately date their very burying.
And, Gobekli tepe is a favorite site of mine! Nice video!
Does anyone here think we might be seeing two similar sites with similar timelines?
If so, Gobekli Tepe at nearly 10000 years, would mean Easter Island could be as old if not older due to the sedimentation involved.
Of course, the sand at Gobekli Tepe would have built up much quicker, so it might be possible that the Easter Island statues are even older than that, as the sediments appear...at least from the video...to be much harder and firm. That type of sediment would have taken much longer to build up than at Gobekli Tepe, and is a good indicator the Moai are way older than previously thought.
Plus, if the Moai were buried, where's the evidence of earth removal around them to do so? It looks like a natural landscape, and it wouldve taken millenia to smooth the digging out to where it looked natural again, right?
Great subject to "DIG" into, Lunica, and one that definitely deserves more investigation...I wish I could afford the flight!:D
Cheers, and good brain food guys!!! ;D
Littleenki
Easten island seems to be connected with a lot of places on the world?
See this direct link to 1:11:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooy2LTJoMVM&t=1h11m20s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooy2LTJoMVM&t=1h11m20s)
From this documantary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooy2LTJoMVM