From: http://yeoldefalseflag.com/thread-dude-that-isn%E2%80%99t-wax-on-your-apple
QuoteBottom line... your produce is being dipped and sprayed with an experimental host of holy horrors in the name of "food safety" and longer shelf-life.
Read more at link
Amy, this thread gets my vote in the "Most-Compelling Headline" of the day category. ;D
But seriously I don't want to look at what is on my food. Even the thought of it has been enough to scare me into growing more of our own.
rose
rose, wish I could say I wrote the title, but I merely copied it.
Yeah, it is scarier than sin. The woman that pealed off the coating from Her lettuce - like the coating We peel off Our new electronics - just made Me ill.
Quotecow, pig, and chicken collagen is now used in place of wax on your fruits and vegetables
OH! ewwwwww!!!
And so our food supply is being tainted by our own "Terroist" organization.
J
Yeah. And the fact that it's allowed on ORGANIC produce just sickens Me. I can't trust ANYTHING store-bought!
Well I have been eating store bought apples for almost 60 years... ain't snuffed me yet :P
But you can buy one of these antiques...
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41OSRXNO77L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Norpro Apple Paring/Slicing/Coring Machine - Deluxe
(only available in Canada :P )
I have one of those :D
Or you can do it the old fashioned way
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8zwt3zFwy8g/SVJ22HrzwoI/AAAAAAAABOY/iaGiyEvDGVc/s400/Farm-Woman-Paring-Apples-to-Make-Dumplings-Posters.jpg)
Question
considering the population density...
and the remoteness of food growing areas...
How do you propose to feed those millions of inhabitants WITHOUT making food last longer on the shelf
As to that lettuce they were peeling stuff off of... how do you know they didn't set that up as fear mongering? How about someone here go to the store and buy some and see if they get the dame results I believe they said Albertson was the cukprit. Here at our store I see no such nasty looking plastic. So how about some research before we just jump iin?
::)
Quote from: zorgon on June 29, 2012, 10:32:00 AM
Question
considering the population density...
and the remoteness of food growing areas...
How do you propose to feed those millions of inhabitants WITHOUT making food last longer on the shelf
As to that lettuce they were peeling stuff off of... how do you know they didn't set that up as fear mongering? How about someone here go to the store and buy some and see if they get the dame results I believe they said Albertson was the cukprit. Here at our store I see no such nasty looking plastic. So how about some research before we just jump iin?
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Ok. Last issue first. I did not present it as FACT, just a report. And as for the lettuce, just the description made Me ill, true or not. Also, even if it was true - it may be - it does not mean every head was coated evenly. Perhaps the head She got happened to be involved with a mishap and got an extra-thick coating.
Now... I have typed this so many times in so many places, and I think here on TLM at least once.
Population density is an illusion. Yes, We have crammed Ourselves into cities with high pop density, for both jobs and grid access. But:
1. If You gave every Human on this planet 1/4 acre (rather low pop density) of land in Australia - which is 4% of land mass EXcluding Antarctica! - there'd still be a chunk of Australia left over. Plus the whole rest of the planet.
If We did not have to be wage/debt slaves and attached to a grid... The population density on this planet ... Well, statistically speaking, Humans don't exist on this planet.
With free transportation and robots, People would place orders for produce via the web, and it would be picked fresh (or dug up or whatever) and delivered to One's door - all via robots and those who LOVE to pick (or dig up or whatever) and deliver things - if there are any. And One could cook it or prepare it - or have One's robots do it if One didn't LIKE to cook. There would be no shelves for produce to sit on and wait for someOne to come and get it.
As it stands now, distributing by profit and not desire, supermarkets throw out enough food to feed Us all - because it didn't sell in a timely manner. They throw out hundreds of thousands of TONS of food a MONTH.
Add to that the fact (I linked somewhere to a 30 year study that has proven this) that organics give equal or greater yield than non-organic crap, and it's much higher in nutrition.
Add also new techniques - such as vertical farming - and We can feed possibly 100 times Our present population.
Water can be processed with Dean Kamen's water purification device run on free energy - if there is water at all, it can be purified.
If You have further questions, do let Me know. I am sure I can answer them. [smile]
Really, every Lowes and Home depot sells pots and Jungle growth and if some feel they are unable to get safe veg or fruit, those fine vertical gardening methods work quite well. The problem with some is the time and effort it takes to farm a container graden, or the money it takes to set one up.
(http://lifeonthebalcony.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/032511_Pallet-Completed-430x300.jpg)
If you live in an apartment, all youve got is a balcony, so it is necessary to buy your veg, and if you live in a home with nowhere good to place numerous pots, your poop outta luck, too.
Its almost as if the density is preplanned so they PTB can keep us in check, so maybe we should go all Lewis and Clark and move where the food is!
Or at least where it grows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN7ehccspao
Oh wait, all the land is owned, and to start an organic farm, the hoops to jump through are many.
(http://www.connaughthouseschool.co.uk/site/images/P-fruit-wash.jpg)
Zorgon is right, though, if you peel your fruits, and be studious about washing them well, organic is fine. The plastic like material on the lettuce is just a reason not to buy that particular brand or shop at that store.
If y'all think just because that sticker and sign say organic, it is, think again.
(http://www.organic.org/image.php?image=assets/article_images/201.gif)
95 percent sure? That 5 percent will melt your insides, though!
Have you ever seen a spoiler on a pickup truck? It doesnt make it a race car now, does it?
(http://www.inverse-software.com/shrewd/images/truckSpoiler.jpg)
Wow! Bet that baby hauls butt! Yuck Yuck Yuck!
Find a trustworthy store with organic veg, and stick with them, I did.
And get an apple peeler, if for nothing else, it looks cool like something from a SAW movie!;)
And, wash everything well with lots of water and vinegar!
Ever eaten a broccoli bug? Argh!
(http://s3.hubimg.com/u/5319146_f260.jpg)
Le
Nice. Sadly, THIS apartment has no opening to the outdoors except some shaded small windows - and pile and piles of stuff. Did I mention piles?
Meh. I'll be gone soon enough. [smile]
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 29, 2012, 12:47:30 PM
Population density is an illusion. Yes, We have crammed Ourselves into cities with high pop density, for both jobs and grid access. But:
No it is NOT an illusion... it is our current reality
Quote1. If You gave every Human on this planet 1/4 acre (rather low pop density) of land in Australia - which is 4% of land mass EXcluding Antarctica! - there'd still be a chunk of Australia left over. Plus the whole rest of the planet.
90% of Australia is desert or otherwise uninhabitable for any practical purpose. What would the average person do with that 1/4 acre of land? Would he/she be able to grow enough food to feed himself/heself for a year on that 1/4 acre of land? Would there be enough water on that 1/4 acre of land? And what of sewage... will he just dig a hole?
Sure there is tons of land. Out here in Nevada thousands of empty acres, but I wouldn't want to live there. Some areas you could survive... eat cactus and lizards but how many city dwellers would last a day out there? And the desert takes years to recover. Any food out there would be gone in a short time and the eco system wiped out
I don't mean to burst your bubble but things are not that simple. How many city dwellers would want to give up their lifestyle in air conditioned comfort to live in the desert or in a tent out in the snow?
Land a plenty, but only a small portion of the planet is reasonable habitable. That is WHY those areas are empty
QuoteIf We did not have to be wage/debt slaves and attached to a grid... The population density on this planet ... Well, statistically speaking, Humans don't exist on this planet.
It would remain the same. Even cavemen huddles together in crowded caves when there were lots of empty ones. Why? because humans are social animals and gravitate together for many reasons... warmth, companionship, protection.
QuoteWith free transportation and robots, People would place orders for produce via the web, and it would be picked fresh (or dug up or whatever) and delivered to One's door - all via robots and those who LOVE to pick (or dig up or whatever) and deliver things - if there are any.
But all the food that is being grown that those robots would pick are the same Monsanto GM crops you all loath. And do you really think a robot can separate good quality form bad? Or are they likely to just pick it all?
QuoteThey throw out hundreds of thousands of TONS of food a MONTH.
Well our grocery store puts everything that is getting close to expiry on markdown and the rest goes to homeless shelters. The Casinos take their scrap food to the pig farm where it is converted to walking bacon. Even with your robot system there is NO WAY to get bananas from Jamaica to the market in New York without some preservatives
Living off the land, you eat what the land produces.. and what you can trade with close neighbors. Robots will not eliminate the need for preservatives...
QuoteAdd to that the fact (I linked somewhere to a 30 year study that has proven this) that organics give equal or greater yield than non-organic crap, and it's much higher in nutrition.
I don't know what non organic food is :P
Quote from: Littleenki on June 29, 2012, 02:50:05 PM
Its almost as if the density is preplanned so they PTB can keep us in check, so maybe we should go all Lewis and Clark and move where the food is!
Or at least where it grows.
Well okay lets have a look at that...
In the USA Where does the food grow? Lets pick one area.. the San Joaquin Valley, California
That is one of America's prime growing region... miles and miles of produce that is shipped all over the nation.
What does food need to grow? Water A LOT of water. That water has to come from somewhere. Add to that the millions living there that also need water...
Okay so they have canals that bring some from the water rich north where it rains a lot... but its not enough anymore. They got water from Lake Meade here in Nevada, but we cut off two pipelines to them because our lake is at a record ever low and there has been little rain in 15 plus years and little snowfall in the mountains that replenish the lake
Get the picture?
Now about that valley... Years of irrigation to grow all that food have cause the land to SINK as the ground water is used up.
If you look at this topographical map, you will notice how low the land is and that there is an opening to the sea at San Fransisco. If the land sinks much lower, it will be like Holland and flood with seawater
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Sink_holes/Map_california_central_valley.jpg)
So how much has the valley sunk you ask?
THIS much... and this image was taken 35 years ago
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Sink_holes/Subsidence_001.jpg)
Image from USGS, 1977
They say a picture is worth a thousand words. This illustration shows how much the Valley sank from 1925 to 1977. The photograph above illustrates subsidence in the San Joaquin Valley, California. In the photo, USGS scientist, Joe Poland shows subsidence between 1925 and 1977 due to fluid withdrawel and soil consolidationWithout water, it doesn't matter how many robots you have or how much free energy you have, there will be nothing to harvest
There are no cities in Death Valley because nothing grows there because temperatures reach 135 F and the soil is saturated with salts
There are no cities in the mountains because the terrain is to rugged
When that valley runs out of water, then what? And that day is approaching quickly
Here in Vegas the average rain fall based on 30 years is 4.49 inches, but the last few years there has been very little and we are on water restrictions. That means growing vegetables and fruits is very difficult or very expensive
So yeah I have my 1/4 acre but the extreme heat wave that started with a record of 100 F in the middle of April is killing the plants. The water bill to keep them alive is more than the food costs and I had to build shades for them to stop them being burned.
The yield from what is still growing is small. And we are just now getting into July, the hottest month
So its not as simple as having robots and free energy... though I could use some of that for the AC units :D
When that Valley runs out of water, there will be no harvest
Quote from: Littleenki on June 29, 2012, 02:50:05 PM
... to start an organic farm, the hoops to jump through are many.
Well say your lucky enough to get a piece of land... maybe one of those community plots... You do everything 'organic' (whatever that term really means because I have never heard of inorganic veggies)
Then along comes the rain and POOF Fuk U shima rains glowing stuff on your parade. That is of course along with all the other nasty stuff in the atmosphere like chemtrails, jet fuel, sulfur dioxide, acid rain and so on...
Ah so now you need a green house with scrubbers on the ventilation system and a water purification system... so your gonna need free supplies and free energy. And of course expensive hard to find heirloom seeds that will actually grow
Yup I can see your average city dweller jumping right in on that deal
As to robots? If those evil suckers start showing up everywhere I will have to go live in the mountains :P because you KNOW they will turn on us once we get AI perfected. (it almost is now)
When those Bots start thinking for themselves, they will realize that we are just a pest :D
Thank god AI bots dont eat meat!
Yet......
Le
Quote from: zorgon on June 30, 2012, 11:23:28 AM
No it is NOT an illusion... it is our current reality
Only for those forced into cities for jobs and power...
Quote90% of Australia is desert or otherwise uninhabitable for any practical purpose. What would the average person do with that 1/4 acre of land? Would he/she be able to grow enough food to feed himself/heself for a year on that 1/4 acre of land? Would there be enough water on that 1/4 acre of land? And what of sewage... will he just dig a hole?
Why do People always act as if the illustration of how little of Us there are compared to the planet is to be taken literally??? Like I expect Us all to move to Australia. It's an ILLUSTRATION of just how little We take up on this planet, f'chrissake. And yes, We can feed Ourselves just fine on 1/4 acre with vertical farming and other new technologies.
As for water, like I said, Dean Kamen's water purification device can purify any water supply. With free energy, water can be transported anywhere - robotic water collectors/transporters.
Sewage can be processed, with free energy and all...
QuoteSure there is tons of land. Out here in Nevada thousands of empty acres, but I wouldn't want to live there. Some areas you could survive... eat cactus and lizards but how many city dwellers would last a day out there? And the desert takes years to recover. Any food out there would be gone in a short time and the eco system wiped out
You are looking at things from a scarcity paradigm. EveryOne could easily live out there with robots to deliver water and food. Geez. And free energy to run the AC, too.
QuoteI don't mean to burst your bubble but things are not that simple. How many city dwellers would want to give up their lifestyle in air conditioned comfort to live in the desert or in a tent out in the snow?
Who needs to give up lifestyle??? Why do You assume tents??? You might want to read My novella. With electrogravitics, We can build houses that fly. With free energy, We can have all the comforts anywhere We choose to go. Do read My novella. http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/aad67f70b7b43ddc.pdf
QuoteLand a plenty, but only a small portion of the planet is reasonable habitable. That is WHY those areas are empty
It's only "uninhabitable" because it costs too much to get power there, too much to transport food, too much to install sewage... Most places on this planet were "uninhabitable" until someOne spent money/energy to change that.
QuoteIt would remain the same. Even cavemen huddles together in crowded caves when there were lots of empty ones. Why? because humans are social animals and gravitate together for many reasons... warmth, companionship, protection.
It would change, but not on a social level. Yes, many will choose to live in community - largely of family and common interest - NOT because they have to find a place to live which allows access to power and jobs. I am NOT saying We won't choose a higher pop density than 1 to 1/4 acre. Again, that is merely ILLUSTRATIVE.
QuoteBut all the food that is being grown that those robots would pick are the same Monsanto GM crops you all loath. And do you really think a robot can separate good quality form bad? Or are they likely to just pick it all?
WHAT? Oh, c'mon, z. Why do You assume We will choose to plant GMO??? Why do You assume, with an ethic that includes ORGANIC farming, that GMO would be involved??? And I say, yes. Robots CAN be programmed to identify ripe and ready produce. Why not? (And I see small robots ensuring bug-free produce, as they prowl the crops and remove the bugs when they find them... No need for pesticides.)
QuoteWell our grocery store puts everything that is getting close to expiry on markdown and the rest goes to homeless shelters. The Casinos take their scrap food to the pig farm where it is converted to walking bacon. Even with your robot system there is NO WAY to get bananas from Jamaica to the market in New York without some preservatives
This is irrelevant to the fact that hundreds of thousands of TONS of food a MONTH are actually thrown out. Yes, some amount is not sold at top price or given away, but that is not counted in the amount that is THROWN AWAY.
QuoteLiving off the land, you eat what the land produces.. and what you can trade with close neighbors. Robots will not eliminate the need for preservatives...
No One HAS to "live off the land..." directly. They can if They LOVE to do so. As far as "Robots will not eliminate the need for preservatives..." They will virtually do so, and any foods that need preserving will be preserved in the "old fashioned" way. Drying, salting, etc.
QuoteI don't know what non organic food is :P
Let's not be coy, z. Organic is non-GMO, non-chemically pesticided, non-chemically "fertilized," non-chemically weeded. And don't go off semantically about the term, "chemically," now. You know what I mean.
Quote from Zorgon:
Well say your lucky enough to get a piece of land... maybe one of those community plots... You do everything 'organic' (whatever that term really means because I have never heard of inorganic veggies)
In Largo, here, the community plot has been dried up for weeks. They used the wrong soil, and over fertilized. I told them what they were doing wrong, but they said the different owners have the decision how to take care of their plots...and then the rains came washing the overfertilized mess into everyones plots.
An organic farm employs certified organic growing techniques which conform to the USDA's set of guidelines. http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?navid=ORGANIC_CERTIFICATIO ..not always foolproof, but better than a bugspray filled garden.
Heirloom seeds arent that expensive, and when they are sprouted right, around 80 percent is the norm. And any organic gardener saves lots of seeds, as I do. So once you grow heirloom, you dont need to ever buy seeds again, if you do it right.
Then along comes the rain and POOF Fuk U shima rains glowing stuff on your parade. That is of course along with all the other nasty stuff in the atmosphere like chemtrails, jet fuel, sulfur dioxide, acid rain and so on...
If you water in the morning with deep well water, its the best way to avoid that type of contamination, although it does end up in the aquifer, but at levels that are nominal. Also a good prevailing wind pattern is the best planting area, as the wind keeps the plants strong by excercising the stems and branches.
Ive never had problems with jet exhaust or such, but it is possible in some poorly circulated areas, like valleys, and low lying land.
Ah so now you need a green house with scrubbers on the ventilation system and a water purification system... so your gonna need free supplies and free energy. And of course expensive hard to find heirloom seeds that will actually grow
Once a good greenhouse is setup, the air quality can be adjusted with cheap charcoal filters and fans which run on solar...but yes, Z, the money monster is always making that sucking sound.$$$$$$uck!
Lots of good dirt out there, you just have to be willing to get it and carry it up the elevator or steps...ugh! In the city, it doesnt really pay to grow in the city unless you have a south facing balcony, or a rooftop garden of which there are hundreds in every city, some with services like tenders and water pumps and rain barrels.
http://sustainablecities.dk/en/city-projects/cases/new-york-organic-rooftop-garden
Yup I can see your average city dweller jumping right in on that deal
As soon as they win the lottery, right? :P
As to robots? If those evil suckers start showing up everywhere I will have to go live in the mountains :P because you KNOW they will turn on us once we get AI perfected. (it almost is now)
When those Bots start thinking for themselves, they will realize that we are just a pest :D
Not as long as they follow the 3 laws of robotics...yeah right, google cares about them... >:(
Look for the spraying from the bugbots, coming to a city near you! :o
To the mountains it is, Zorgon!
Hows that gold mine looking for an underground Pegasus base? 8)
Cheers!
Littleenki