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rose
Quote1989 lecture and affidavit by Naval Intelligence officer Milton William Cooper corroborates U.S. Mars bases and time travel accounts of DARPA.
http://www.ufodigest.com/article/naval-intelligence-officer-corroborates-us-mars-bases-and-time-travel
I have to do my homework on William Cooper. I see that name and I automatically think..... William Moore.... and some sort of a planned disinformation campaign.....but I can not be specific yet.
Interesting the year.... 1989.... the same time that it was reported to me that " Morgan" had died. When of course now I know that he didn't... He had just gone further into the darkness..... Navy Intelligence huh....
Go NAVY,
Linda
Rose
had to look him up..to see if it was the same guy i was thinking of...it wasn't
Milton William Cooper (May 6, 1943 – November 5, 2001) was an American conspiracy theorist, radio broadcaster, and author best known for his 1991 book, Behold a Pale Horse, in which he claimed global conspiracies, some involving aliens.[1][2][3]
Mark Potok, spokesman for the Southern Poverty Law Center, writes that Cooper was well known within the militia movement for his book, Behold a Pale Horse and his anti-government shortwave radio program that reportedly included Oklahoma City bomber Timothy J. McVeigh as a fan.[1]
Political scientist Michael Barkun characterized Behold a Pale Horse as "among the most complex superconspiracy theories" and also among the most influential, being much read in militia circles as well as widely sold in mainstream bookstores.[4]
According to Cooper, he served in the US Air Force and the US Navy and was discharged in 1975. He caused a sensation in UFOlogy circles when in 1988 he claimed to have seen secret documents while in the US Navy that referred to government knowledge and involvement with extraterrestrials.[4]
Cooper linked the Illuminati with his beliefs that extraterrestrials were secretly involved with the US government, but later rejected these claims. According to Cooper, Dwight D. Eisenhower negotiated a treaty with extraterrestrials in 1954 and established an inner circle of Illuminati to manage relations with the aliens and keep their presence a secret from the general public. Cooper believed the aliens actually "manipulated and/or ruled the human race through various secret societies, religions, magic, witchcraft, and the occult" and that even the Illuminati had become unknowingly manipulated by the aliens.[4]
Cooper wrote of the Illuminati as a secret international organization controlled by the Bilderberg Group that conspired with other individual organizations such as the Knights of Columbus, the Masons, and Skull and Bones, and whose ultimate goal was the establishment of a New World Order. According to Cooper, the Illuminati conspirators not only invented alien threats for their own gain, but actively conspired with extraterrestrials to take over the world.[4] Cooper believed that James Forrestal's fatal fall from a window on the sixteenth floor of Bethesda Hospital was connected to the alleged secret committee, Majestic-12, and that JASON advisory group scientists reported to an elite group of Trilateral Commission and Council on Foreign Relations executive committee members who were high ranking members of the Illuminati.[2][3]
Cooper claimed the document Protocols of Zion was actually an Illuminati work and instructed readers to substitute the word "Sion" for "Zion", "Jews" for "Illuminati", and "Goyim" for "cattle".[3][5][6]
As Cooper moved away from the UFOlogy community in the late 1990s and towards the militia and anti-government group subculture, he became convinced he'd been personally targeted by President Bill Clinton as well as the IRS. In July 1998 he was charged with tax evasion and an arrest warrant was issued but not executed, resulting in his being named a "major fugitive" by the US Marshals Service in 2000.[4]
DeathOn November 5, 2001 Cooper was fatally shot by a law enforcement officer at his Eagar, Arizona home after confronting deputies trying to arrest him and shooting one of them in the head. Authorities said Cooper was carrying a handgun and fled when Apache County deputies identified themselves and tried to arrest Cooper on charges of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and endangerment stemming from earlier disputes with local residents. Federal authorities reported that Cooper spent years trying to avoid capture on a 1998 arrest warrant for tax evasion and according to a spokesman for the U.S. Marshals Service, vowed "he would not be taken alive".[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_William_Cooper
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Milton William Cooper
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May 6, 1943 - November 6, 2001
UFO conspiracist, tax resister, and self-styled "militiaman", Milton W. Cooper left a mixed legacy. While those who were inclined to accept his theories on John F. Kennedy's assassination and a government cover-up of an alien invasion found him engaging and personable, those who questioned his logic or asked for proof found that 'his demeanor and attitude was "unfriendly" at best.'
1 A Clinton White House memo allegedly labelled him "the most dangerous radio host in America"
2 while those who identified with his shoot-from-the-hip independence called him America's greatest patriot.
Best known as the author of Behold a Pale Horse (1991), this book detailed his claims of an extraterrestrial invasion and government cover-up, as well as the complete text of the notorious antisemitic hoax, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, with Cooper claiming that "any reference to 'Jews' should be replaced with the word 'Illuminati."
He hosted a short-wave radio programme called The Hour of the Time (WBCQ worldwide short-wave 7.415 MHz (0300 to 0400 UTC) Monday through Thursday nights). In October 2001, Cooper's radio show was cancelled because of "lack of funds". He also hosted a talk show broadcast on the Worldwide Christian Radio out of Nashville.
Cooper made many claims about his life. He claimed to have been a member of the Order of DeMolay, an appendant body of Freemasonry, claiming this gave him insight into the hidden clues of masonic control.
3 A second-class petty officer, he had received an Honourable Discharge from the United States Navy on 11 December, 1975. But he also made unverified claims to have worked for Naval Intelligence, using this as justification for many of his claims and accusations regarding what he claimed was a government cover-up regarding UFOs.
He first posted messages in ParaNet early in 1988 but, when asked for evidence, became so abusive that he was eventually barred. "He was known for plagiarizing the 'research' of other UFOlogists and claiming that he first saw all this stuff in Naval Intelligence documents in the early '70s—including things the UFOlogists made up as jokes."
4 "It didn't take long for the UFO mainstream to turn against Cooper. He had come out of nowhere telling grossly sensational stories, and yet was quickly eclipsing those who had been laboring for decades to gain public acceptance for stories only a bit less outlandish. A little investigation quickly showed how Cooper's tales were not only implausible and unsubstantiated, but had significantly changed over time. Don Ecker of UFO Magazine ran a series of exposés on Cooper in 1990."
5 Over time, his claims became more outlandish. He claimed that JFK was assassinated by his driver, citing a special 'washed' version of the Zapruder film that seemed to show Kennedy's driver, William Greer, turning to shoot the President—an allegation since disproven.
6 He later claimed that the aliens in an American television series, "Alien Nation", were real aliens.
7 By 1998, the USA federal government had several outstanding warrants for Cooper and his wife for tax evasion and bank fraud. Cooper's Chinese-born wife, Annie, and their two daughters had left the United States in June 2000; Cooper remained at his home in Eagar, Apache County, Arizona.
Cooper had made it clear, both online and on air, that he would not surrender to the police. 'According to Glenn Jacobs, a local newspaperman who knew Cooper, "he kept an AK-47 just inside his front door by a magazine rack."'
8 At 11:40 pm, 5 November, 2001, Apache County Sheriff's deputies attempted to serve an arrest warrant at Cooper's residence. Earlier that day Cooper had seen a man driving past his home, ran out, jumped in his car and drove after the man, forcing him to pull over, and threatening him at gunpoint. The man, a local doctor, waited until Cooper left then called the police, who issued a warrant against Cooper for "aggravated assault with a deadly weapon."
Cooper had lost a leg in a motorcycle accident many years before, and police surveillance indicated that there was a high probability that his home contained a number of firearms.
9 Police believed that if they could lure Cooper out of his home they would have a better chance of arresting him.
"Members of the Apache Country Sheriff's Office deployed several deputies in the area adjacent to Cooper's home in an attempt to draw him from his residence to serve an arrest warrant. After leaving his residence in his vehicle, Cooper confronted plainclothes deputies a short distance away.
As Cooper drove back to his residence, Sheriff's deputies attempted to stop him using a fully marked patrol vehicle to block the roadway.
Cooper refused to stop or comply with verbal orders issued by deputies. Cooper drove around the patrol vehicle, off the roadway, and attempted to run over a sergeant before heading back to his residence.
Cooper was followed a short distance to the front of his residence where he was again confronted by uniformed deputies. After refusing once again to comply with orders from deputies,
Cooper exited his vehicle and ran toward his house, firing shots from a handgun towards deputies.
Deputy Robert Marinez of the Apache County Sheriff's Office was struck in the head by at least one round. Deputies returned fire, striking and fatally wounding Cooper."
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Although widely reported as 5 November, the police report gives his time of death as early in the morning of 6 November.
11 On 15 November, a memorial service was held for Cooper at the Jewkes Mortuary in Eagar, Arizona. Shortly after his death, internet reports of a press conference that William Cooper had allegedly held two weeks before his death began to appear. These have been denied by his website as being a hoax.
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1."William Cooper Update" Sierra Times, November 6, 2001. sierratimes.com (accessed 2004/01/28) Also see hourofthetime.com/william.htm (accessed 2008/07/21).
2.Rush Limbaugh from a Clinton White House memo after the Oklahoma City bombing. Sierra Times cited by David Icke, E-Magazine, Volume 29 November 2001. http://www.davidicke.net/. Also see hourofthetime.com/william.htm.
3.Claimed by Robert D. Morningstar marstar@escape.com on konformist.com (accessed 2004/01/28).
4.Reason, "Death Wish How rebels punch their own ticket." Brian Doherty reason.com. Also see tje.net/para/documents/cooper_who.htm.
5.Skeptical Inquirer, "UFO conspiracist William Cooper killed in gunfight with police." Robert Sheaffer March, 2002, findarticles.com. Also see: "...never a pleasant person to begin with, he spiralled downwards as both his incipient paranoia and long list of enemies grew." "Fascinated by Cooper's flips and flops, I presented my investigation of his claims in UFO Magazine (1990; Vol 5, issues No 4 and 5)" Don Ecker, Fortean Times, 155 February 2002.
6. Fortean Times vol. 121, pp. 28-31; vol. 122, pp. 40-43.
7.yawp.com/3rd-i/rsrc/gloss/c/coop_m.html.
8.Mark Sheaffer, "Officers Kill Militia Voice", The Arizona Republic. 7 November, 2001.
9.Fortean Times, "Bullets before brains," Kenn Thomas. vol. 155 February, 2002. http://www.forteantimes.com. Kenn Thomas also directs us to Lars Hanson's affidavit to try to get the full picture about Bill Cooper konformist.com.
10.Apache County Sheriff's Office, Sheriff Brian Hounshell fax. November 6, 2001 scifiles.no-ip.com/obit.htm. Also see The Arizona Republic, Phoenix, November 7, 2001.
11."On November 6, 2001 at approximately 0005 hours, the Apache County Sheriff's Office (ACSO), Special Response Team (SRT), was invoived in an "Officer Involved Shooting." The suspect, William Milton Cooper [sic], critically wounded an ACSO deputy and was mortally wounded by another sheriff's deputy." Synopsis, Criminal Investigation Apache County Sheriff's Office Aggravated Assault on a Peace Officer DR#2001-070756. Kevin Wood (2613) Phoenix, Arizona : Arizona Department of Public Safety, 4 April 2002, p. 1 See: hourofthetime.com.
12.hourofthetime.com.
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/cooper_m.html
Which guy were you thinking of?
I have been out here in the desert... blocked off from much of this communication. I did not even know that Cooper was dead.
Does John Lear have anything to say about all of this Zorgon. For some reason I associate him also with Cooper though I am not sure why.....
But I know that William Moore had his hands in this.... up to his elbows. Linda
sorry
forgot to add this one
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_cooper.htm
Oh, duh...thanks, Sky. I knew that name rang a bell.
Sorry, folks, no real news to be found here...Cooper comes across has having been something of a loose cannon, firing wildly in all directions.
But like Linda, I'd like to know what guy you were thinking of?
rose
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 09, 2012, 07:49:40 PM
Which guy were you thinking of?
I have been out here in the desert... blocked off from much of this communication. I did not even know that Cooper was dead.
Does John Lear have anything to say about all of this Zorgon. For some reason I associate him also with Cooper though I am not sure why.....
But I know that William Moore had his hands in this.... up to his elbows. Linda
Hello Linda,
Bill Cooper and I met in 1988 and became fast friends for a number of years. When I met him he told me he was just a deck ape but then got stationed at Pearl Harbor and was the guy who pulled out the projector and folders to brief incoming Admirals to the Pacific. Later he said he was an Intelligence Officer and did the briefings himself. Untrue.
Sometime in the early 90's PM Magazine came down to Vegas to interview me and Bill about UFO's. When they started talking to Bill he claimed he saw the Krill Papers in the Navy. This was impossible because me and John Grace only wrote the Krill Papers a year before. He also told PM Magazine that he had seen the Excalibur description in the Navy but this was also impossible because Bob Lazar had only written the description a few months before the interview.
I then began to distance myself from Bill because he had obviously contracted UFO Disease. UFO Disease is when you run out of material but you bask in the notoriety so you start making it up.
Our friendship disintegrated to outright hostility on Bill's part accusing me of this and that and of saying UFO's were real when he, Bill Cooper, knew they were not.
When he died I hadn't seen him for many years.
I met Bill Moore in 1988 and after only one meeting was able to determine that he was a moron.
Quote from: johnlear on July 09, 2012, 08:59:01 PM
Hello Linda,
Bill Cooper and I met in 1988 and became fast friends for a number of years. When I met him he told me he was just a deck ape but then got stationed at Pearl Harbor and was the guy who pulled out the projector and folders to brief incoming Admirals to the Pacific. Later he said he was an Intelligence Officer and did the briefings himself. Untrue.
Sometime in the early 90's PM Magazine came down to Vegas to interview me and Bill about UFO's. When they started talking to Bill he claimed he saw the Krill Papers in the Navy. This was impossible because me and John Grace only wrote the Krill Papers a year before. He also told PM Magazine that he had seen the Excalibur description in the Navy but this was also impossible because Bob Lazar had only written the description a few months before the interview.
I then began to distance myself from Bill because he had obviously contracted UFO Disease. UFO Disease is when you run out of material but you bask in the notoriety so you start making it up.
Our friendship disintegrated to outright hostility on Bill's part accusing me of this and that and of saying UFO's were real when he, Bill Cooper, knew they were not.
When he died I hadn't seen him for many years.
I met Bill Moore in 1988 and after only one meeting was able to determine that he was a moron.
Howdy, John, and thanks for chiming in!
As far as you know, and according to Cooper's lecture here on youtube, how much did he really know, if anything?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFQHTH2GUbI
He comes off as an expert, but I have to wonder how he could have all that info, from seeing some briefing papers for the short time he did.
Not to mention his lies told to PM.
It does seem too good to be true, and I wonder where the truth, if any, stops, and the bullpoop starts.
Thanks, John
Dave
Ah, another relief to read. Thank you, John. Though I'm sorry you lost a friendship to his need for the spotlight.
Figures like Cooper, and the more recent "Project Avalon All-stars" and "Wilcocks' Wunderkind" are such useless distractions in the pursuit of truth, but they must serve a purpose of some sort, somehow, if only to filter out the gullible and easily deceived.
rose
Thank you SO much for your real insiders view about what was happening.
re Bill Moore. I haven't yet had the pleasure of meeting him.... I say that with real tongue in cheek. Someone once told me that I should not be upset with Bill Moore...but I am.... he started a rumor that my mother Josephine Beale Brown had been the source of some of the material that he " leaked" about my Dad.
I am sorry if you never had a chance to meet her ( but perhaps you did... she and your Mom were close) but my Mother would never have leaked information.... NEVER...... and as far as I was concerned I had caught Moore using someone who could not defend herself to further his own cause.
When my contact reported to him that I was fairly upset with his statements... Moores response was that he didn't care... he had alot of people upset with him and I would just be one more.
... he offended several other powerful men who adored and respected her. Just like me they took his remarks against Mother as a personal insult also.... so maybe it is good that he has decided apparently to exit the UFO world.
You have dealt with folks like the men who thought so highly of Mother....As far as they were concerned.... she was "one of them".... So yes. The man is not smart. Linda
I wonder what would happen if we put the histories and experiences of folks like John Lear, William Moore. William Cooper, Beau Kitselman, my dad..... all on the same board.
What things that we could see then would speak out for being common situations.... Where are they similar and where are they different.....There has to be a way to separate the fly spots from the pepper in this entire endeavor....
I know just from observing and NOT coming to any conclusions about anything we might just learn alot.
John I know that you had certain connections with the CIA....and these other folk? Navy Intelligence???? Run ins with the FBI????
Here is an out of the way question. How often did all of these men change homes? Answering for my Dad? (We lived a gypsies life some in his hometown complained!) I went to 48 schools before graduating....Is that something common to this group?..... William Cooper though went out to reach the public.... exact opposite from my Dad............The really BIG information about Aliens etc was shared by Moore, John, Cooper... and in his extremely quiet way.... by my Dad too.
There just has to be a way to see information that I believe has been lleft out for us to find. We are meant to find it somehow.... Linda
QuoteCooper wrote of the Illuminati as a secret international organization controlled by the Bilderberg Group that conspired with other individual organizations such as the Knights of Columbus, the Masons, and Skull and Bones, and whose ultimate goal was the establishment of a New World Order
Bill had a lot of usefull information in his talks. There may well be connections between these groups but my research would not go along with saying the illuminati were controlled by the Bilderbergs. I think it goes a way higher than that group of money launderers.
Hey no one knows all. At least he was out getting people thinking. More nerve than I, for one.
So you think that might have been his sort of " role" in this? To disperse information, to get people thinking about possibilities?
I wonder what kind of operating instructions he might have been under then... if he was.... and if that might be true did he RECOGNIZE that he was operating under a control that was not completely his own?
We all get inspirations to do things but I wonder if these were " funneled" to him somehow....I have seen how some human projects have progressed and how effective they are but if we are talking about something OTHER than human.... no telling how widespread and powerful that might have been.... for our entire history.
And I agree that the " Command and Control" went ALOT higher. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 09, 2012, 07:33:27 PM
I have to do my homework on William Cooper. I see that name and I automatically think..... William Moore.... and some sort of a planned disinformation campaign.....but I can not be specific yet.
Interesting the year.... 1989.... the same time that it was reported to me that " Morgan" had died. When of course now I know that he didn't... He had just gone further into the darkness..... Navy Intelligence huh....
Go NAVY,
Linda
http://www.ttbrown.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5046&sid=4df8808b71fe0daca7fb9eb033edec64#p5046
Here is an entire discussion about Morgan and dying. It was 1987. Just helping you keep your story straight.
Mikado
holy crap..didn't you people read what john posted?
unbelievable
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Hello Linda,
Bill Cooper and I met in 1988 and became fast friends for a number of years. When I met him he told me he was just a deck ape but then got stationed at Pearl Harbor and was the guy who pulled out the projector and folders to brief incoming Admirals to the Pacific. Later he said he was an Intelligence Officer and did the briefings himself. Untrue.
Sometime in the early 90's PM Magazine came down to Vegas to interview me and Bill about UFO's. When they started talking to Bill he claimed he saw the Krill Papers in the Navy. This was impossible because me and John Grace only wrote the Krill Papers a year before. He also told PM Magazine that he had seen the Excalibur description in the Navy but this was also impossible because Bob Lazar had only written the description a few months before the interview.
I then began to distance myself from Bill because he had obviously contracted UFO Disease. UFO Disease is when you run out of material but you bask in the notoriety so you start making it up.[/size]
Our friendship disintegrated to outright hostility on Bill's part accusing me of this and that and of saying UFO's were real when he, Bill Cooper, knew they were not.
When he died I hadn't seen him for many years.
I met Bill Moore in 1988 and after only one meeting was able to determine that he was a moron.
I am asking a serious question if not just making a serious statement.
Could this (Cooper) be a situation of mind control?
or
Just plain being someone who wanted to be in the spotlight and did in fact make one grandiose statement after another?
or
something entirely different?
Mikado
Alot of things are unbelievable to you dear.... why do you think " YOU People" did not understand EXACTLY what he had to say. What is your point? Linda
Just plain being someone who wanted to be in the spotlight and did in fact make one grandiose statement after another?
considering how he finished his life i would go with this one
Its a sad ending for sure. To me it looks like he was a tool that fit a purpose.... and when he was finished ( and after he got the reputation of being such a dangerous " radio personality") .... all of his self destruct buttons started getting pushed.... one after the other.... no going back.... so he punched his own ticket out. Also cleans up the history he might have left if he had been left alive. All of it is possible....is that what happened? I am not even sure that William Cooper could have told you. Linda
I hadn't read John's post, Sky. Thanks for pointing that out. That changes a lot doesn't it.
It reminds me of something I read on David Wilcock's blog the other day. Only read it because it was pointed out how off base David has become. As though we didn't already think that.
I posted this somewhere else I think so excuse me if you had read it.
Anyways he called it DDT's.....
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DDT" stands for "Decoy, Distract and Trash."
The idea is that they put out information that is similar to the truth, but is not the truth. This information is a "decoy" that will "distract" people from the real information.
Then, the "trash" part is that the decoy information is attacked.
Generally the information will include obvious holes that the original investigator did not take time to uncover, in his or her breathless enthusiasm to go public.
Then, if the real information ever comes out, people will not notice the difference, and think it must all now be fake.
Was this what Bill was doing?
I had mentioned " Morgans death" in relationship to this particular thread ( knowing that he would have had some BIG reason for " dropping out the way he did)
Mikado in his zeal to correct a mistake I made..( it was 1987 not 1989?).. led me to this post on Paul Schatzkins ttbrown.com forum... Here were a couple of responses then to something that Paul had written as a chapter in his book which he was putting out on the Forum in sort of " installments", The Forum he had was very active and helpful and this is the way that they responded.
http://www.ttbrown.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5046&sid=4df8808b71fe0daca7fb9eb033edec64#p5046
by Radomir on Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:12 am
I've been thinking about this myself for the past several weeks, for similar reasons.
I kept circling around the events, thinking of possibilities, none of which pulled it all together for me. So I was letting it percolate. Not until reading your post did I realize how to potentially square up that aspect about Linda's intuition. So thanks for bringing this up.
Possibility #1 Morgan or someone allied to him faked his death in order for other needful things to become possible. It was a matter of expedience, and necessary even though he knew it would bring heartache to those who cared for him. Linda's intuition in this case was a resonance to her own very near term grief, specifically about Morgan. So while he didn't die, her intuition was still correct about incipient extraordinary grief about a specific person.
Possibility #2 (deep in the Rabbit hole). Time travel is possible. Morgan has done it at least once, because while he is alive now, he actually died in a motorcycle wreck in 1987. That is still ahead in his own timeline. (Would that be creepy or what?) In this case her intuition would have been tragically on target, but she may later have felt a sense of relief and wellness once Morgan's timeline was again contemporaneous with hers. This would imply he still at some point in the future would have to travel back in time, and meet that truck on that curve or however it ended.
Possibility #3 (deep, deep in the Rabbit hole--Hi Neva) Not just time travel, but dimensional travel is possible. We lost one of our Morgans to the motorcycle accident. However, we have at least another Morgan from a close parallel universe with us at this point. Because the Caroline Group isn't just an internationalist, but an interdimensionalist organization.
Comes from reading too much Harry Harrison at an impressionable age. Please forgive me...perhaps we'll be enlightened as to your good questions later in the narrative. We can only hope--you can see what flights of fancy can occur in the absence of facts.
Best,
R.Radomir
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On the other side of a curtain
by grinder on Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:53 am
Its hard to know what might have been going on in Morgans life which might have made it necessary for him to " drop out of Lindas life"
Who would know? Dr. Brown did not want Linda involved in the things that Morgan was involved in (and perhaps getting more involved in.)
I don't know .... maybe I would have faked my own death too so that I wouldn't worry about things flipping back . Those in that part of my life would simply bury me in their minds and go on and maybe thats easier to do.
I actually think that Linda didn't buy it though. Note what she wrote in her journal. Sometimes the truth is right there! She didn't believe it. But I think that she knew that the overall situation would mean the same thing.He would be on one side of a very dark curtain and he would be on the other. Maybe thats what she was picking up intuitively. His own feelings maybe?
He might as well be dead. See what I mean? The grief for her and for him missing her would be the same . And the decision for him? Can't have been easy.
He must have been getting into some pretty dangerous sh$t. grinder
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I would never have remembered those exchanges so thank you Mikado even thought what you were trying to do at the time was simply point up a mistake I had made. Maybe in the cosmic haha sense of things it was no mistake.... however it happened I appreciate seeing what these two men have to say here... And I miss both of them. Radomir and Grinder.... I hope that you are both well.
Linda
Actually, it was only me showing how easily the Mikado Effect works.
Just have to know the right button and you go off on a tangent.
Mikado
Being smug and arrogant is a poor combination. Just an observation.
Ask Napoleon.
Anybody have any comment on the messages that were made.... gee....OVER six years ago? Linda
Zorgon,
You believe that there is such a thing as a Space Command. I believe that I might know one of the important men in that program. Somehow we must be able to find a way to bring their stories into the open...
You said " Damn the Torpedos".....remember.
Linda
micjer LOVE your avatar! ;D makes me laugh ever time I read it. But I do watch that show sometime very intrest show but he does makes the most outrageous conclusion compair to the rest (or the only one :) ). -dcooper
John Lear,
You said in a recent post John that you believed that there were TWO groups of Aliens... Can we please revisit that subject? I want to know what your opinion is of the men who might be involved in what Zorgon calls his " Space Command" and if that is where some of the dissention might be coming from regarding humanitys future.
I know next to nothing about these subjects but promise that I will study hard. Just show me where I should be looking. I have no doubt that you are absolutely correct in what you have been saying. I believe that my "Morgan" has become a very important man in this strange situation and to learn more about his history I really do need your help. I believe that I know some of it but much has been with held from me.
That can't go on so I really would appreciate your help.
Can you tell me about these two groups of Aliens .... and the people on both sides supporting them? ( or being supported by them?}
Even though you do not remember it.... a long time ago you told me that the future for humans on this planet was bleak beyond measure. Now I think that you have been given another view.... and I want to talk with you now on what the possibilities are for the future and what we can do about taking more of our fate into our own hands.
It was 110 degrees in the shade here today. Reminds me of an old musical!
Hope that we can communicate John. Looking forward to it. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 10, 2012, 02:12:19 AM
Being smug and arrogant is a poor combination. Just an observation.
Ask Napoleon.
Anybody have any comment on the messages that were made.... gee....OVER six years ago? Linda
How about a little over five years. My how you embellish.
Not being smug and arrogant but I just won a bet. I proved everything you were saying about the Mikado Effect and you are still under it...what ever it is.
Now, as to Morgan. We are talking about a person who gave the writer of "Defying Gravity" all this information via a Yahoo account...whoda guessed. And when the proverbial stuff hit the proverbial fan, he and twigsnapper just disappear. Guess your Dad didn't mean so much to them as they claimed.
Anyway, I find it truly amazing that your Father, Morgan and twigsnapper all happened to have been involved with just about everything that is being posted on this board. How come none of it was ever mentioned to this degree to Paul? How is that if you knew all of this back then why wasn't Paul given this by Morgan in all the correspondence?
Almost makes me think that Forrest Gump has got nothing on these fellows. Now how about providing something to prove just a little bit of what you say?
I would really enjoy reading something in regard to your stories pertaining to this thread which would indicate your Father's connection to Mars Bases and Time Travel (and I am not talking about assumptions), for without anything, it is just a story so, here's your chance to post some third party info.
Just a thought,
Mikado
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 09, 2012, 07:49:40 PM
But I know that William Moore had his hands in this.... up to his elbows. Linda
What did William Moore have to do with William Cooper exactly?
Ask John...he's the one who lumped them into the same message.
rose
Quote from: rose on July 10, 2012, 03:39:42 AM
Ask John...he's the one who lumped them into the same message.
rose
Sorry Rose,
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1839.msg25245#msg25245
Linda brought up both names after your first post and then it went from there.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1839.msg25280#msg25280
John Lear was commenting on the post put up by sky otter and then quoted Linda in his answer.
It was Linda who first brought up the name William Moore.
So, I agree with Zorgon. Let Linda answer.
Mikado
Sorry, M.
In my timeline, I saw John's post first.
rose
BTW y'all are boring me to tears with your vendetta.
But I love you both, anyway.
rose
Hon, and I you and that Dago husband of yours!
But I too make mistakes and correct me too if you see it but as someone just accused me of being a "flat out liar", well, I do have facts to substantiate my claims and I know being the researcher that you are, you never make a claim you can't backup without a source.
No vendetta, just want truth.
Mikado
Tell me then how many months Mikado.... I said it was six years. You tell me how many years and months then so that we can be accurate! You look it up.
Lets just see the whole scope of my " embellishment"....
As to there being a connection between William Moore, William Cooper... YOU do the homework. I have already done mine. I am not getting called out by you to prove anything. You do not deserve the attention that I would spend doing this. Do your own homework instead of hanging around like a Jackal just waiting for the droppings from some one elses hard work.
For the rest of you. Look up Jaime Shandra too.... if you are AT ALL INTERESTED.
If you have a hard time doing that PM me and I will supply you with links. Happy to do it for some. Not all.
Mikado can go fish. Linda
Quote from: Mikado on July 10, 2012, 03:21:49 AM
How about a little over five years. My how you embellish.
Not being smug and arrogant but I just won a bet. I proved everything you were saying about the Mikado Effect and you are still under it...what ever it is.
Now, as to Morgan. We are talking about a person who gave the writer of "Defying Gravity" all this information via a Yahoo account...whoda guessed.
How do you know all of the ways that the fellow named Morgan communicated with Paul Schatzkin? I certainly don't and I got the impression that their relationship meant alot to Paul... in fact he didn't want it to end and admitted to dragging his efforts on completing the book because hearing from Morgan meant so much to him. You can dispute that all you want Mikado but I have the recording, remember? My point here is that you have no way of knowing if Paul and Morgan communicated in other ways .... so you are being presumptuous here and misleading.
And when the proverbial stuff hit the proverbial fan, he and twigsnapper just disappear. Guess your Dad didn't mean so much to them as they claimed. ( Gee.... they didn't disappear from me. Maybe they thought that Paul needed to stand on his two feet. He never even started putting the chapters out there until AFTER he thought that Morgan was gone....would he ever have finished that project if Morgan had always been there for him? I seriously doubt it and more important..... Morgan doubted it too. That's why he did what he did.....After Paul got that pin returned to him he KNEW he was on his own.)
Anyway, I find it truly amazing that your Father, Morgan and twigsnapper all happened to have been involved with just about everything that is being posted on this board. How come none of it was ever mentioned to this degree to Paul?
Perhaps he never asked?????? How is that if you knew all of this back then why wasn't Paul given this by Morgan in all the correspondence?
Because Morgan wasn't there to "GIVE" information directly to Paul. That was not the arrangement. Paul was supposed to do the research himself after getting " leads" . He was supposed to do his own work.... so that he could stand behind it. He never bothered.
Almost makes me think that Forrest Gump has got nothing on these fellows. Now how about providing something to prove just a little bit of what you say?
Go Fish.
I would really enjoy reading something in regard to your stories pertaining to this thread which would indicate your Father's connection to Mars Bases and Time Travel (and I am not talking about assumptions), for without anything, it is just a story so, here's your chance to post some third party info.
Dad never mentioned Mars Bases and Time Travel to me directly. So I guess I can't help you in your search Mikado. You will just have to pay attention to what else is said here on this forum and do your own work.
Just a thought, ( for what they were worth)
I was off by six months Mikado. That was a big flipping embellishment.
What else do you have to complain about because my attention span with you is getting shorter by the moment.Linda
Mikado
Quote from: sky otter on July 09, 2012, 10:56:07 PM
Just plain being someone who wanted to be in the spotlight and did in fact make one grandiose statement after another?
considering how he finished his life i would go with this one
I have given this some thought and I intend to agree with you Sky. I don't think he was working for anyone or thing. Probably started out with truth but got some untruths mixed in to enhance the story.
I will take John s word since he knew him personally.
But did he really see the disc coming out of the water?
If so, then there was a disc coming out of the water!
:o :o
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 10, 2012, 06:02:14 AM
It is so fun to answer you when you insist on putting your answer within the quote. It just goes to show the level of frustration your at.
Your post above is seething with emotion...guess the Mikado effect is exactly what I said. A fabrication created by you.
As to anything I said, you know the truth. As to any recordings you are referencing...are you saying you have a recording of Morgan and Paul? Now that I would love to put through a stress analyzer. As to being presumptuous, have you ever read what you put out there? You use words as "think", "believe", "perhaps", "what if", "maybe" and a plethora of others that could be described as a self defined Thesaurus.
Oh, and by the way, I was talking years and not months, '89 is different than '88 which is different than '87. You think for someone so important to you, you might just be able to remember the year they died.
As to Morgan and twigsnapper, no, I suppose they will never disappear from you. Not for a very, very long time.
This thread is about Mars Bases and Time Travel. Within Paul's book there was a good deal of assumption that Morgan was a time traveller. I would like to know who told him that. In fact, and staying on topic mind you, it deserves an answer. I believe that the Mikado Effect was employed on Paul by who/whom ever was in communication with him.
We have time travel being discussed here in this thread along with Mars Bases. What is the commonality between them....Cooper? And then you bring up Moore...why? Zorgon is correct, what is the connection between the two for afterall, you brought up the name. Is there a connection to Cooper and Morgan/Dr. Brown? Or is the only connection because of Moore? If that is the case, you brought it up then would you care to explain?
And after you done with that explanation to Zorgon, an mind you, it was his question and not mine, you can answer this, how does the Mars Bases match up to your Father?
I have been reading so many threads on here and have found so very many interesting topics, in fact, I have been reading the Matrix Traveller and am interested in his box but I digress a bit. You seem to interject your Father into every thread but you offer no proof, no citations, nothing that could at the very least offer the scent for the hounds to follow. How about a sock or something?
You said you weren't going to answer me but you can't resist so if you are going to answer me than please give something constructive that can be followed through with and not something you "fathom" or something from an anonymous source because if that is all you can contribute then perhaps you should be doing a bit more research and not just going on things that come to you.
Mikado
Quote from: Lunica on July 10, 2012, 12:47:06 PM
But did he really see the disc coming out of the water?
If so, then there was a disc coming out of the water!
:o :o
There have been many qualified reports of " discs" coming out of the water.... or plunging into it. Just become more familiar with the topic and you will see that it doesn't take William Coopers word to make things right or wrong. That.... did it happen ... or not? Can be answered to your own satisfaction if you look hard enough. Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on July 10, 2012, 03:08:25 PM
There have been many qualified reports of " discs" coming out of the water.... or plunging into it. Just become more familiar with the topic and you will see that it doesn't take William Coopers word to make things right or wrong. That.... did it happen ... or not? Can be answered to your own satisfaction if you look hard enough. Linda
Where does it state I am only aware of this disc? Why do you think this Cooper guy makes things right or wrong for me? huh?! Where did that come from?! haha
Read my comment again, be aware of the message between the lines.
Cheers Lunica
Sorry Lunica..... just recently turned my receiver for " messages between the lines" back on! Sorry about that! Cheers to you too. Linda
So this thread is going to morph into USO tales now...cool. I was BORED anyway.
The story of the Chesire Cat craft seen near Australia is still one of my favorites...
Good to see you pop in, Lunica.
rose
ooo ooo I liked that one too!!!!!
Problem is we should probably adjourn to another thread and leave the"Navy Intelligence Officer Corroborates Mars Bases" here?
What does everybody say. Hang here and morph over? Or start a new thread? Linda
I say Morph unless the OP (Original Poster) wants it to run. Should go in the UFO section. Wow cats in space. I will be there.
Deuem
I think that it will need its own thread. We will be focusing on ships that dive into and burst out of the oceans... this one particular sighting was unusual because it had a figure of a Cheshire Cat on the side and you KNOW thats going to have all kinds of rabbit holes for us....... Nothing left but the SMILE. Look for it!
Linda
Quote from: Mikado on July 10, 2012, 03:21:49 AM
How about a little over five years. My how you embellish.
Not being smug and arrogant but I just won a bet. I proved everything you were saying about the Mikado Effect and you are still under it...what ever it is.
Now, as to Morgan....
One last reminder
V for Vendetta ...take it to a thread
in Lindas area, and keep it out of the general area.
Deuem, the OP of this thread would be happy to see it deleted completely.
If anyone has an interest in pursuing the subject of USOs, I won't take offense at seeing a new thread started.
rose
Anytime you go back into the unhappiness that surrounded William Cooper... it just turns into one big swamp. As you can see if you have done any investigations in that direction. And none of the principals in the accounts have anything good to say about each other....I won't even repeat some of the names bandied about.....its all hurtful and it all happened many years ago. I don't see any good in going back there now just to talk about Cooper and his associations. He pretty much punched his own ticket out and I am happy to leave it that way....
. and instead of talking about the quagmire that he brought up perhaps the hunting will be more productive in investigating USOs, I vote for that too Rose. Linda