;D link to view files are at the bottom
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/12/uk-ufo-x-files_n_1668444.html?utm_hp_ref=weird-news
UFO X-Files Released By U.K. Reveal Desire To Weaponize Alien Technology
Posted: 07/12/2012 8:24 pm Updated: 07/12/2012 9:52 pm
Newly released X-Files from the United Kingdom's National Archives reveal the role of that country's Ministry of Defense UFO Desk officers, what they actually thought about possible alien visits to Earth and their ideas on harnessing alien technology as a weapon.
There are 25 files, comprising more than 6,700 pages, that include UFO policy, parliamentary questions, media issues, public correspondence and, of course, UFO sighting reports. Overall, more than 10,000 UFO reports came through the special Ministry of Defense unit from 1950 to 2009.
"These are probably the most fascinating and bizarre government files ever made available to the public," said Nick Pope, who was the UFO Desk officer from 1991 to 1994.
"There's massive public interest in UFOs, and at one point, the MoD was getting more Freedom of Information Act requests about UFOs than any other subject," Pope told The Huffington Post in an email. "The files contain the usual mixture of policy documents, sighting reports, photos, sketches and papers discussing how best to handle the subject with Parliament, the media and the public."
File DEFE 24/2080/1 is a collection of MoD UFO information from 1972 to 1995 that includes intelligence papers that were declassified from "secret."
On page 157 of this file is a briefing prepared for the MoD before a 1979 House of Lords debate in which an intelligence officer asks why aliens would want to visit "an insignificant planet (the Earth) of an uninteresting star (the sun)." He wrote that this sort of visit "would probably not occur more than once in 1,000 years or so, even if one assumes that every intelligent community made 10 launches a year." The officer concluded that "claims of thousands of visits in the last decade or so are far too large to be credible."
Pages 38 to 43 of the file contain a 1995 briefing by a UFO Desk officer, calling for a full study of UFOs, since national security implications had never been assessed. The writer suggested that, "If the sightings are not of this Earth, then their purpose needs to be established as a matter of priority."
In that same briefing, an intelligence officer indicates the need to capture UFO technology for U.K. use. "If the reports are taken at face value, then devices exist that do not use conventional reaction propulsion systems; they have a very wide range of speeds and are stealthy. I suggest we could use this technology, if it exists."
File DEFE 24/2090/1 references a U.K. study of what were called Unexplained Aerial Phenomena, or UAP. Page 47 of this file reports that some UFOs/UAP might be rare atmospheric plasmas or ball lightning that could be harnessed or used by the military as "novel weapon technology."
A recent Huffington Post story included statements from former undercover CIA officer Chase Brandon, who said that in the 1990s, he found a box labeled "Roswell" at CIA headquarters in Langley, Va. Brandon said there was information in that box that was related to the alleged 1947 UFO crash outside of Roswell, N.M.
File DEFE 24/1985/1 brings up the subject of the Roswell incident in a Jan. 3, 1997, response to a question raised on whether or not the MoD had ever been briefed by the CIA about Roswell. The response by a Defense Intelligence official states, "We have no data on the alleged 'Roswell incident' or any 'crashed UFO incidents in the UK.' In short, DI 55 has no records of any UAP/UFO 'crashes' in either the UK or US and have never, as far as we can tell from existing files, received any briefs from any US agencies, including the CIA."
"The question of whether or not we're alone in the universe is one of the biggest and most profound questions we can ask," said Pope. "People are fascinated with the idea that we might have been visited, and these files chart MoD's attempts to grapple with the subject."
There is much more to be revealed about the U.K. files, including how Prime Minister Tony Blair was briefed on UFO sightings in 1998, and how the efforts of David Clarke of Sheffield Hallam University were instrumental in getting the MoD to release the UFO files to the public.
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Nick Pope explains some of the new U.K. X-Files.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1UrGQ8QOJI
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National Archives consultant David Clarke introduces the new U.K. UFO files.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrt5LdhcxWw
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The UFO files are available to be viewed by the public for free for one month.
http://ufos.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
Newly released UFO files
from the UK governmentFiles released in July 2012
The files contain a wide range of UFO-related documents, drawings, letters and parliamentary questions ranging from 1965 up to 2008.
Discover the role of the UFO Desk Officers, what they really thought of alien visitors, their ideas to harness alien technology as a weapon, and their briefings to Tony Blair on UFO policy.
Start by reading our highlights guide (PDF, 358kb) to help navigate your way through the files.
Six of the files (DEFE 31/189/1-194/1) contain some duplicates of UFO sighting reports copied by the Air Secretariat between 1996-1999. The original papers were released by The National Archives in February 2010.
Due to the large size of some of these files, we recommend you save them to your computer before opening them. Please right click on the links and select the 'save' option.
http://ufos.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
Great link, and I downloaded them in about 5 minutes. Looking forward to some interesting reading there!
I have to wonder if this is the beginning of the Olympic conspiracy?
Le
Hoping to get copies, Dave, when I have a HD to DL to. [grin] My HD is not even in the computer at present. Looking forward!
Quote from: Littleenki on July 16, 2012, 04:35:54 AM
I have to wonder if this is the beginning of the Olympic conspiracy?
Not very likely, they have been releasing some files from time to time in the last two or three years (I think).
I already got mine, on the day they were published. :)
But I haven't had time to look at them. :(
I don't have the old ones. HD death!!! GRRRRR!
Quote from: Pimander on July 16, 2012, 11:42:55 PM
I don't have the old ones. HD death!!! GRRRRR!
Let me see what I have...
282 files, 3.53 GB
Too much for an e-mail. ;D
When I have my external HD, we could do a file share? It isn't at this house...
Do you have unlimited, unmetered internet?
Quote from: ArMaP on July 17, 2012, 12:04:58 AM
Let me see what I have...
282 files, 3.53 GB
Too much for an e-mail. ;D
I can set you up with an FTP account on the website I did for Undo Matrix and Playswithmachines
I have unlimited space on the server
You can make subdirectories and link to files, even put html pages there
example:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Gallery_001.html
OH and it only accesses that section... you cannot access the rest of the server so its safe
Quote from: zorgon on July 17, 2012, 12:11:18 AM
I can set you up with an FTP account on the website I did for Undo Matrix and Playswithmachines
That would be great, sometimes I need a place to put large images but all free servers have some kind of limitations, so I cannot even post a full size photo taken with my camera. :)
It would also stop me losing docs when my PC or HD go belly up.
Yeah I would like to save original copies of my videos there... just in case ya know. :o
They look better than the YT versions too.
I welcome anyone who wants to, to save copies of my videos for safe keeping and all.
Ya never know how bumpy this ride may get.
Quote from: Pimander on July 16, 2012, 11:42:55 PM
I don't have the old ones. HD death!!! GRRRRR!
For some strange reason, I can relate. Hmmmm.
I use ADrive (http://www.adrive.com) to backup my files, it's free version allows up to 50GB of storage. :)
Bookmarked. Thanks ArMaP.
This chat has made me realise that I need to order my files and make sure my data is backed up.
well there are more to come according to the last two sentences here
Clarke says a final batch of about 25 more UFO files is expected to be released by the British government within the next 12 months.
The UFO files are available for free public download until Aug. 11, 2012. And to help you navigate through the files, check out Clarke's excellent research guide.
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UFO Files: Declassified U.K. Documents Released, Reveal Tony Blair Was Briefed On UFO Sightings
Posted: 07/17/2012 8:15 am
When the U.K. released declassified UFO documents a few days ago, the 25 files of nearly 7,000 pages included how:
•Prime Minister Tony Blair had been briefed on UFO sightings in 1998.
•The Ministry of Defense was concerned about military jets crashing after reported encounters with UFOs.
•U.K. Defense Intelligence wanted to create weapons out of little known atmospheric plasmas.
"Back then, in 1998, if you had said to me that by 2012, the Ministry of Defense will have disclosed virtually everything they have on this subject, I would have found that difficult to believe. And yet, here we are. They have," said David Clarke, the U.K. National Archives consultant (seen in the video above) and journalism lecturer at Sheffield Hallam University.
File DEFE 24/1987/1 is an MoD 1998 briefing for Blair after author Nick Redfern wrote to the prime minister and urged him to make all U.K. UFO reports available to the public. Redfern's request came at the same time that Blair was about to create that country's Freedom of Information Act.
"It appears that the Ministry of Defense decided to give Blair [seen at right], a briefing on UFOs because people were going to start making requests under the new act," Clarke, author of "The UFO Files," told The Huffington Post.
"Tony Blair has since gone on record in his memoirs to say that introducing a Freedom of Information Act is the worst decision he ever took," Clarke said. "It encouraged people like myself to start bombarding various departments of the government with requests. This is why they decided to release the UFO files because they just could not sustain the pressure that we were putting them under."
"It was costing them a lot of money to respond to each individual request and they were having to troll through these files."
Clarke says the numbers of people who have logged onto the National Archives website, 3.8 million downloads, is more than they've ever had before on any other subject.
File DEFE 24/2090/1 references a report called "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena in the U.K. Air Defense Region," code-named "Project Condign." The report, completed in 2000, was first classified as Secret/UK Eyes Only prior to being declassified for public release.
Condign included something that had both serious and frightening UFO overtones -- fatal accidents of Royal Air Force aircraft after UFO encounters.
"There were records of unexplained fatal accidents, where you've got an aircraft that was flying fast and low over terrain, like in a training exercise, and suddenly, for no obvious reason, the pilot had taken evasive action and plowed his aircraft into a hillside, killing the entire crew," said Clarke.
According to the Condign report, while no definitive conclusions could be drawn, it couldn't rule out the possibility that some unexplained losses of RAF military aircraft may have been caused by the pilots seeing some unidentified object ahead of the aircraft. That object, if it was there, could have caused the evasive action that led to the aircraft being lost.
"When I read that, I thought, 'Wow!' The fact that they were seriously considering that as a possibility for the loss of military aircraft was just incredible," Clarke said. "But nobody picked up on it at the time the report was released. I tried to get the media interested, and nobody would touch it."
To show how serious this matter was, Clarke says the author of the Condign report recommended that military air crews be advised that, in the future, no attempt should be made to out-maneuver an unidentified aerial phenomenon. And the same applied to civilian crews.
File DEFE 24/2090/1 also discusses how some UFOs may be the result of strange, atmospheric plasmas and that "Russia was interested in harnessing these plasmas for potential military use," Clarke said.
"They didn't think it was alien technology -- they thought it was some kind of natural phenomenon that existed in Earth's atmosphere. If they could somehow work out how these [things] were created, they'd be useful on the battlefield. If you could produce some fantastic spinning orb on the battlefield that knocked out your enemy's electronic equipment, what a fantastic weapon to deploy," Clarke added.
Clarke says a final batch of about 25 more UFO files is expected to be released by the British government within the next 12 months.
The UFO files are available for free public download until Aug. 11, 2012. And to help you navigate through the files, check out Clarke's excellent research guide.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/17/tony-blair-ufo-briefings_n_1676157.html
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Quote from: sky otter on July 18, 2012, 12:33:59 AM
The UFO files are available for free public download until Aug. 11, 2012. And to help you navigate through the files, check out Clarke's excellent research guide.
I suppose he did OK for a local lad. ;)
Quote from: ArMaP on July 17, 2012, 01:41:34 PM
I use ADrive (http://www.adrive.com) to backup my files, it's free version allows up to 50GB of storage. :)
Yes, ArMaP, its a great option!
Le
;)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/11/uk-top-ufo-experts-hate-each-other_n_3568990.html?utm_hp_ref=weird-news
lee.speigel@huffingtonpost.com
UFO Experts Nick Pope And David Clarke Have One Thing In Common: They Hate Each Other
Posted: 07/11/2013 1:39 pm EDT
Last month, the British government released 4,400 pages of previously unreleased documents. It's the last of the so-called UFO files that had not been available to the public.
But is the public really being told the truth? The answer depends on who you ask.
Britain's top UFO authorities are hardly in agreement. In fact, the only thing they have in common is disrespect for one another.
In one corner, we have Nick Pope, the former Ministry of Defense (MoD) employee who worked on the official UFO desk in the early 1990s.
In the other corner, we have David Clarke of Sheffield Hallam University, who has been the official consultant to the National Archives for its just-concluded five-year program to release more than 50,000 pages of MoD UFO files.
Gentlemen, let's see a fair fight. Keep your gloves up. Let's see no shots below the belt. In case of a knockdown, go to a neutral corner.
The recent slugfest began with Pope's comment on the UFOs and Nukes site: "Some people would probably use the term 'useful idiot' to describe [Clarke's] parroting the MoD 'no defense significance' sound bite, which was designed solely to keep Parliament, the media and the public off our backs."
Clarke's response: "Pope's condescending description of me as a 'useful idiot' is not only personally insulting but gross hypocrisy, coming from a man who has himself 'parroted' the official MoD line on UFOs whilst employed by them until 2006 and even continues to do so today when it suits his purposes and/or his audience. Therefore, by his own definition, he was a useful idiot but more likely is now just an idiot," Clarke told The Huffington Post in an email.
The National Archives first started releasing the files in 2008 -- leading up to the official closing of that country's UFO desk in 2009. The U.K. ended its public investigation of UFOs after officials decided, after more than 50 years, "no UFO sighting reported to [MoD] has ever revealed anything to suggest an extra-terrestrial presence or military threat to the U.K."
The five-year grand total of 209 files of approximately 52,000 pages has led to a strong undercurrent of disagreement between Pope and Clarke, the two individuals who have been the prime purveyors of information to the public about the nature and significance of the UFO files.
Pope, seen above, was employed by the Ministry of Defense (MoD) between 1985 and 2006. For three of those years -- 1991-1994 -- he worked in an MoD division where he investigated UFO reports. Because his internal work at the MoD included pouring through many UFO accounts, Pope was sought out by media outlets in 2008 when the UFO files began to be released to the public.
"[Clarke] is a folklore buff who's interested in fairies and goblins and I've been told he privately thinks some UFOs and alien abductions may represent 'some sort of supernatural phenomenon,'" Pope stated. "He keeps this opinion to himself, presumably because he's worried people would think he's a nut. So he's no sinister debunker -- just a slightly odd hobbyist, reading out the government press release."
Clarke, a senior lecturer in journalism at Sheffield Hallam University, teaches media law and investigation skills. He also has a Ph.D in Folklore. Starting in 2000, he used the Freedom of Information Act to campaign and finally persuade the British government to release all of its UFO material.
"Quite frankly, Nick Pope is suffering from a bad case of sour grapes and his claims -- for example, that I am a folklore 'buff' who secretly believes in alien abductions -- sound increasingly like the rantings of a deranged man who has realized the game is up and there are no more MoD gravy-trains to hitch a ride on," Clarke said.
On the surface, it might seem that both Pope and Clarke would ideally present the U.K. UFO information to the public in a collaborative spirit designed to assure the public that the truth is out there.
But that's not been the case. Here's more:
"Clarke is one of the small number of British Ufologists who are absolutely obsessed with me to the point of putting in multiple FOIA requests to the MoD, to monitoring everything I say in any interview and then repackaging it as his own," Pope told HuffPost in an email.
"I think it's a matter of public record that there are two or three Ufologists in the U.K. who follow my every word and deed, take apart every statement I make and just obsess over me. And I think that part of this is because I did this for the government and they are obsessed with the idea of what MoD does or doesn't know about this."
Clarke's response: "I have put a lot of effort into the campaign to first persuade MoD to release these files and then spent five years working with the press team at The National Archives to open them to public scrutiny.
"As a skeptic, I never expected any praise from the UFO believer camp for my efforts, but I have been taken aback by the venom and pure malice directed at me personally that has greeted the completion of this disclosure project," Clarke said.
Whenever a new batch of UFO files had been released over the past few years, Pope and Clarke, seen below, were the go-to guys for information about the files. Yet, they've often given opposing points of view about the material, causing a sense of confusion to the public.
"Let me put it this way," said Pope. "I learned about UFOs at the MoD. It was my government job. David Clarke learned about it because he was a member of the British UFO Research Association. It was my government job and his hobby. That being the case, I'd done it from the inside, he looked at it from the outside. It doesn't surprise me that we come to different views."
And Clarke's retort: "I find it incredible that he continues to peddle the lie that he was the public face of the [UFO] project and I was just some clerical assistant brought to cover when he was too busy getting his face on TV. This is demonstrably untrue and I find it even more incredible that some people across the pond appear to believe him without bothering to check the facts -- just logging onto the National Archives UFO website is all that is needed."
One big issue that continues to drive a wedge between these two is the question of whether or not all U.K. UFO documents were actually released. Clarke says yes. Pope says no.
Pope: "By the MoD's own admission, Defense Intelligence staff files on the [military multi-witness] Rendlesham Forest incident were 'inadvertently destroyed.' MoD stated that a ship's log for HMS Manchester, that might have contained details of a UFO seen during a NATO exercise, was blown overboard by a 'freak gust of wind.' Gun camera footage of UFOs taken by RAF jets in the 60s, as well as UFO photos that were on my office wall for many years, have been 'mislaid.'
Clarke: "Fact: there are no other substantial papers being withheld. The onus on anyone who claims there are is to say what these documents are and which agency is holding them. The ones mentioned by Pope, i.e. Defense Intelligence files from the '50s and '80s, and gun camera footage, etc., were destroyed years ago and Pope knows this, so he is once again playing fast and loose with the facts, knowing that he has to keep making money out of this subject, and if there are no more mysteries, he has to find another way to earn his living."
One other item in this ongoing war of words is worth mentioning. It involves a story told by Pope in his 1999 book, "The Uninvited," in which he recounts an alien abduction that allegedly happened in Florida to someone named "Peter."
Clarke believes that it was, in fact, Pope who experienced this bizarre encounter and who has been trying to hide that fact from the world ever since it happened.
"Is it me or Nick Pope who is actually a repressed believer in alien abductions? The evidence suggests Pope is talking about himself and is so scared of being labeled a nut that he has gone to extraordinary lengths to play down this story. Was it because he was ordered to do so by his employers at MoD? We will never know because he has asked MoD not to release the files that contain his correspondence with them on this issue."
Pope's response: "Some Ufologists took exception to the fact that I used some pseudonymous cases in my alien abduction book. I replied that witness confidentiality applied without exception and added something like 'even if it was me,' as a joke. The joke spread and I replied that I could 'neither confirm nor deny' (NCND) the rumor. NCND is a Ministry of Defense in-joke, just as 'I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you' is an in-joke in the intelligence community. This was simply a bit of harmless fun at the expense of some of the Ufologists who take such an obsessive interest in me. I've never seen a UFO -- let alone from the inside!
"What I have, though, dealt with MoD about and asked them to withhold was all the private papers that have to do with the media work I do."
If there are any losers here, it must be the public, for the confusion this has brought up. After tens of thousands of pages of UFO files have been released by the U.K., who are we supposed to believe about how significant (or not) those documents really are?
It's probably too much to hope for Pope and Clarke to sit down together and iron it all out. But maybe all is not lost as Pope offers a bit of an olive branch to his opponent.
"'Useful idiot' is an old Soviet term for someone fooled into spreading propaganda, so it means somebody who's been duped and not somebody who's an imbecile. If Clarke was unaware of this, misunderstood my remark and took offense, then I apologize unreservedly."
At least that's a start.
haha thats a funny read otter. pope and clark having a handbag fight :P thanks. :)
nick pope is a sham and an embarrassment to the whole UFO/ALIEN study.
David Clarke on the other hand is great at hunting out information and he does not add bits on to any of the cases.just the facts.
clarke is the guy i would listen too if i had to choose.pope is just on the money trail.
Not had time to look into Dr David Clark to know if hes a believer or skeptic..
Found his website that I hope to try and find out when I can..
unless anyone else can confirm...
http://drdavidclarke.co.uk/
Nick and Dave.
(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a572/paparumbo/11808e0081a98faef14ee46dbc60dff3_zps5c7e5311.jpg)
Elvis.
Cradle to grave,
seems we all have someone who we are always in conflict with to the day we die..
then as may be the case if Matrix is right it all starts over again.. :)