Pegasus Research Consortium

WTF?


We're losing our collective mind.

Please help and tell us the world has not gone madder.

Don't you just love how the announcer deadpans the opening?




"The past nuclear accident forced thousands of people to flee their homes and live elsewhere."


"The countries leaders want to make it possible for them to go back.


To do that, they're going to re-classify some areas in the evacuation zone around the triple melt-through fiasco at Fukushima Dai-ichi.


Places with relatively low radiation will be re-designated as preparation zones, so residents can return home as soon as possible."






So, forget the 20 km NO ENTRY ZONE, and Welcome Home...

Do the same morons make decisions for all nuclear-related issues in Japan?  :P

It sure looks like it!

We have searched high and low, and yet to find peer-reviewed data on how much, if any, radioactive asphalt can be washed away with water.

One immediate question might be: just where is this now-contaminated water going after being flushed from the streets?

"They say it can reduce radiation by about 80%."

Prove it.




Where are you pro-nukie shills?

Let's really get it on, as this time, it's obviously a fight to the death. We thought we had you fools beaten at Diablo Canyon, as a nuke hasn't been brought on-line since.

Back to the continued lunacy in Japan.





"Workers are focusing on roads and public facilities that are vital for daily life."

Oh, great, now to be sure everyone shares in the irradiation downstream and assures the subsequent extermination of an entire populace.

This is a crime against humanity.





There is not enough time left to diddle around. Have your BOB ready and a realistic, well-thought-out plan or simply kiss it goodbye. The unaware and unprepared will be the first casualties when the bottom drops out in late August... maybe as late as October if Europe hangs in there a few more months.

And then, there is the spectre of the London 2012 Olympics.


We're dealing with deep wickedness, with naked evil and the beings behind it all mean to hurt as many people as they can. The worldwide financial crisis has brought untold millions of people to total ruin, millions worldwide are starving to death and the worst is yet to come.




'The Pink Hand', 'The Machine', 'IT', whatever moniker you wish to hang on the ghost in matrix (a favorite might be 'The AntiChrist'), is in its final death-throes and intends to take all down with it with its dark tentacles of repression, exploitation and oppression worldwide.

This is all part of the workings of the unspeakably ghastly agenda that is being played out on Earth by the coldly calculating Machine that has this planet and the human race in chaos.


Amaterasu Solar is obviously on to it with her 'chemtrails' mention.

The chemtrails are part of it.

The chemicals in the food are part of this agenda.

Deforestation of the planet's great forests and destruction of the marine ecology of the world´s oceans and seas are part of it.

Systematic dumbing down of the global population is part of it.

The so-called "War on Terror" is part of it.

The increasing criminilization of free speech is part of it.

The fiat currency, debt-based financial system is part of it.

The never-ending imperial wars, especially of the USA, are part of it.

Extortionate taxation of the world´s working and productive classes is part of it.

The coal, petroleum and nuclear power based energy industries are part of it. More specifically, the entire nuclear industry -- uranium mines and mills, uranium enrichment facilities, nuclear power plants, nuclear missiles and bombs, depleted uranium weapons -- all of this is incompatible with healthful, long-term habitation of this planet by human beings and most other biological life forms.

The explosions and melt-downs of the nuclear power plants at Chernobyl and Fukushima, and the near melt-down of the Three Mile Island nuclear power plant, have proven that humanity cannot handle nuclear power.








We have opened a nuclear Pandora's box, the nuclear demon has escaped, and we now have Hell to pay.




Japanese artist Isao Hashimoto has created a beautiful, undeniably scary time-lapse map of the 2053 nuclear explosions which have taken place between 1945 and 1998, beginning with the Manhattan Project's "Trinity" test near Los Alamos and concluding with Pakistan's nuclear tests in May of 1998. This leaves out North Korea's two alleged nuclear tests in this past decade (the legitimacy of both of which is not 100% clear).

Each nation gets a blip and a flashing dot on the map whenever they detonate a nuclear weapon, with a running tally kept on the top and bottom bars of the screen. Hashimoto, who began the project in 2003, says that he created it with the goal of showing"the fear and folly of nuclear weapons." It starts really slow — if you want to see real action, skip ahead to 1962 or so — but the buildup becomes overwhelming.





We are in deep trouble, we know that much.


The crisis at Fukushima continues to worsen, and there are problems at other nuclear power plants within Japan, as well as in the USA, such as at San Onofre, in southern California near San Diego, where there are severe safety issues.


Of course, all bets are off if Nukushima #4 SFP falls apart.

One of the reasons that PRC exists (IMHO) is to put 'the right' peeps together who share the vision and fully understand what Littleenki so eloquently speaks of.


For your edification and enjoyment:

10 trillion becquerels per hour of radiation currently being released from Fukushima plant": Researcher - August 18, 2011

So what is it?


76,000,000,000,000 (76 trillion) so far, or, 240,000,000,000,000 (10 triliion per hour) every day?


We know for a fact that tens of tons of uranium was launched and aerosolized, mostly from the Reactor 3 explosion.

And we know that Reactor 3 used MOX fuel which is uranium mixed with plutonium.

And we know that all used fuel contains plutonium.

We know that at LEAST hundreds of pounds of plutonium were launched and aerosolized from Fukushima.


It takes only ONE hot particle...

The proof is laid out quite clearly here:

http://nukepimp.blogspot.com/2012/01/uranium-in-air.html


For your consideration:

Fukushima Daiichi: It May Be too Late Unless the Military Steps In:
Akio Matsumura l Finding the Missing Link  11 May, 2012 (http://akiomatsumura.com/2012/05/fukushima-daiichi-it-may-be-too-late-unless-the-military-steps-in.html)


"The highly radioactive spent fuel assemblies at the Fukushima-Daiichi power plants present a clear threat to the people of Japan and the world.

Reactor 4 and the nearby common spent fuel pool contain over 11,000 highly radioactive spent fuel assemblies, many of which are exposed to the open air.

The cesium-137, the radioactive component contained in these assemblies, present at the site is 85 times larger than the amount released during the Chernobyl accident. Another magnitude 7.0 earthquake would jar them from their pool or stop the cooling water, which would lead to a nuclear fire and meltdown.




Calling it a global catastrophe is no exaggeration.

If political leaders understand the situation and the potential catastrophe, I find it difficult to understand why they remain silent.





The following leaves little to question:

   .   Many scientists believe that it will be impossible to remove the 1,535 fuel assemblies in the pool of Reactor 4 within two or three years.

   .   Japanese scientists give a greater than 90 percent  probability that an earthquake of at least 7.0 magnitude will occur in the next three years in the close vicinity of Fukushima Dai-ichi.

   .   The crippled building of Reactor 4 will not stand through another strong earthquake.

   .   Japan and the TEPCO do not have adequate nuclear technology and experience to handle a disaster of such proportions alone.


Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon wrote a letter to Japan's Ambassador to the United States, Mr. Ichiro Fujisaki, on April 16, 2012, discussing his fact-finding trip to the Fukushima Daiichi site.

Senator Wyden, senior member of the United States Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, mentioned that "the scope of damage to the plants and to the surrounding area was far beyond what [he] expected and the scope of the challenge to the utility owner, the government of Japan, and to the people of the region are daunting." 

He also mentioned that "TEPCO's December 21, 2011 remediation road map proposes to take up to ten years to complete spent fuel removal from all of the pools on the site.  Given the compromised nature of these structures due to the events of March 11, their schedule carries extraordinary and continuing risk if further severe seismic events were to occur."


Many of us echo Senator Wyden's concerns.


"If this catastrophe occurred, regardless of policy and politics, all 440 nuclear power plants throughout the world would be forced to shut down, yet our descendants no matter what will have to carry the risk of radioactive materials in the nuclear waste repository for 100,000 to 200,000 years.

This is a long amount of time to conceive of, so let me put it in context.

It is said that our anscestors might have made their journey to the rest of the world from South Africa about 100,000 years ago, and crafted our first tools of the Stone Age about 20,000 years ago.

We will need the same amount of time that our human species has existed for in order to safely deposit radioactive material!

How come do we envision the poison to be transferred on to our descendants for so long and how will we find a way to indicate the location of the radioactive repository?

Are we sure that the hundreds of radioactive repositories throughout the world be protected from severe seismic events for this incredible period of the time?

If this global catastrophe occurs, the best we can hope is that the memory of our disaster might be passed on to our future generations in the hope that they might invent the new technology to prevent them from another such catastrophe."




Nine workers are reported to have put lead shields on their radiation dosimeters to disguise their total exposure.


Executive admits role in Fukushima radiation manipulation scandal (http://enformable.com/2012/07/in-focus-japan-the-nuclear-bomb-proof-piano-executive-admits-role-in-fukushima-radiation-manipulation-scandal/)

Tokyo Energy & Systems, a group firm of plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co., has questioned employees at its Fukushima-based subcontractor Build-up.

An executive at Build-up allegedly made 12 lead covers and ordered employees to use them to lower the recorded exposure levels displayed on their dosimeters, according to Tokyo Energy & Systems.

A subcontract manager who told other Fukushima Daiichi workers that they should enter the plant with lead covers on the dosimeters, has confessed his role in the deception.  He made it clear the attempt of manipulation was aimed at falsifying exposure readings, saying, "If we're exposed to levels close to the maximum, we won't be able to get future work."

"I came up with the idea to use covers because the dosimeters' alarm repeatedly sounded" when he first entered the site, said Teruo Sagara, a director at Build-up, a subcontracting organization, during a press conference Monday at its office in Koriyama, Fukushima Prefecture.

"It was wrong," Sagara, 54, said.

Three of the 10 workers whom Sagara confronted, refused to wear dosimeters with lead covers the following morning and then were excluded from the day's work.  Sagara said that he refused to allow them to work as he did not know if he would be able to trust them to obey his instructions.

Now the Health, Labor, and Welfare Ministry has announced an investigation into the cover-up, with the goals of exposing any other flaws or indications of tampering related to radiological safety of the workers.



Fukushima officials worry new discovery of radioactive beef will harm reputation more after farmer confirms cattle not fed contaminated rice straw (http://enformable.com/2011/08/fukushima-officials-worry-new-discovery-of-radioactive-beef-will-harm-reputation-more-after-farmer-confirms-cattle-not-fed-contaminated-rice-straw/)

FUKUSHIMA — Officials here are disappointed that a new discovery of radioactive beef shipped from a Fukushima Prefecture farmer was discovered and caused the central government to delay lifting the ban on the prefecture's cattle shipments.





Workers Speak Out Against TEPCO: No Warnings of Radiation Dangers and Not Paying Promised Amounts

Workers involved in the restoration of the areas hit by the March 11 earthquake and tsunami and the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant say their working conditions have been harsh.

About 1,500 temporary workers of subcontractors hired by leading construction companies gathered in Tokyo on Sunday to discuss the situation.

A man who took part in the construction of emergency housing in Iwate Prefecture said he had been promised 20,000 yen, or 250 dollars, per day, but received only about one-third of the amount.

The workers were forced to work without any explanation about the risk of radiation or any measures against heat strokes.

The organizers say these issues have not surfaced before because many workers find it inappropriate to complain when they think about the hardships of people in the disaster-hit areas.





Many local Japanese officials still on TEPCO payroll – Younger generations of TEPCO workers fear stable future work environment (http://enformable.com/2012/03/many-japanese-officials-still-on-tepco-payroll-younger-generations-of-tepco-workers-fear-stable-future-work-environment/)

The Japan Times reported on Tuesday that 19 members of various local legislatures are still on the payroll of Tepco. 

The writer contacted Tatsuo Ishiguro, who was elected in April 2011, shortly after the Fukushima Disaster, and asked if he was still on Tepco's payroll. When the writer said over the phone, "Your current relationship with Tepco," he abruptly hung up saying, "I am too busy now."

It was subsequently confirmed that Ishiguro is still employed by Tepco and is receiving monthly wages from the company, receiving about ¥10 million plus ¥2.5 million to be used for "research" work related to his official duties as an assembly member, and another ¥15 million in 2010 from the political arm of the Tepco labor union.

Last December, the younger staff at TEPCO circulated a five-page document titled "Code Name: Hope" within TEPCO headquarters. 

The younger staff was frustrated with the current lack of progress in creating a stable future for the company "where younger generations can follow their hopes and dreams" and had hoped to  "forestall government intervention and achieve a TEPCO-led reform program," says one of the employees who worked on the Hope plan.

The plan outlined details for the nationalization of nuclear power plants and a hike in electricity charges.  The Hope plan also proposed breaking TEPCO's power generation division into a state-run nuclear power generation company and four private thermal and hydraulic power generation companies, and splitting its fuel procurement and power transmission divisions into separate organizations.

It has now been learned that through the end of 2011 and into 2012, some TEPCO executives were hoping for the Japanese Government to be changed, and some view the Hope plan as a loud rebuke against the embattled utilities attempt to control it's own destiny after the Fukushima Disaster. 

The Mainichi is quoted as saying that "a generational battle is now raging within Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) over corporate restructuring."


TEPCO executives received copies of the document but dismissed the proposal.


TEPCO and the government-controlled Nuclear Damage Liability Facilitation Fund are considering spinning off relevant sections so the four will each undertake thermal power generation and fuel procurement, electricity distribution, electricity retailing and corporate planning, Power Engineering reported.  

TEPCO, which still faces billion dollar compensation claims, is set to be given a government bailout of 11 trillion yen ($137 billion) over the coming decade, and will be nationalized.

Beautiful post, Thor, which brings the continued ignorance of the Japanese leaders into the light for all to see...pressure washing?

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q78/gturner6ppc/589px-New_radiation_symbol_ISO_2148.png)

Fukushima prefecture isnt some pool deck with a few dead bugs and algae stains on it...its a damn radioactive sludgefest!

And all that mud which rolls from the roadways?
I imagine the cars will stir it up really good now, as its friable when sparyed into smaller particles! Good grief!

So, the Japanese people leaders still practice Seppuku, only now with their constituents lives, eh?

And their hubris seems to have sheilded the intelligent thoughts which once occupied their craniums, too?

I think back to when they were losing WW2 and instead of being shameful losers, they gave it all with the kamikaze attacks in desperation.  Well, it seems that that level of honor has given way to the same cowardice and arrogance that our leaders exhibit.

American corruption has not been the only corruption, its just the most obvious, and now through the change which Thor speaks of coming, the leaders of every country are making desperation moves at covering the truth like an icing covered dog turd.

Somebody get Betty Crocker on the phone, this turd needs more frosting!
(http://cdn100.iofferphoto.com/img/item/165/831/265/trick-gag-toy-fake-poop-turd-joke-laugh-dog-poo-human-70464.jpg)

Tepco has set the stage for the rest of the world's crumbling nuclear infrastructure and how ignoring the reality of a radiated world will not work like ignoring a squeaky brake pad.

Doesnt this.....
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/33/TEPCO_logo.svg/200px-TEPCO_logo.svg.png)

remind you of ...THIS...
(http://images.quickblogcast.com/35238-32833/MMObama.jpg)

Crap, Tepco is one Mickey Mouse organization!

As with a squeaky brake pad, we can drive her a bit longer Scotty, but soon the wheel will seize and we will all start to die from breathing the last free thing we have on Earth...AIR.

(http://a4cgr.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/chemtrails_dees.jpg)

Oh wait, the chemtrails have that all loused up, too!

So the once-proud Japanese have become a nation of squirming larvae, ripe for their leaders to mutate anyway they wish...Where oh where did my Bushido go?

Gi

Taken with equaninmity, the right attitude, the truth.  When one must die there is no thought to giving ones life, if it is in Gi. Rectitude

Justice

Fairness.  The use of authority to uphold what is right.

Yu

Heroism, rushing into the point of a sword without hesitation.

Courage

Ability to face danger or hardship and keep your self esteem.

Jin

Universal love towards mankind. Compassion.

Benevolence

To do good. Show kindness. Be charitable.

Rel

A most essential quality, especially in martial arts. Rei or Reishiki etiquette is the perservation of courtesy. The samurai believed it was better to loose ones life than be impolite.

Politeness

Show respect. Treat with equality.

Makoto

Truthfulness.

Veracity

Honesty, accuracy, precision.

Melyo

Glory without ego.

Honor

Adherence to principles considered right.

Chugo

Devotion to ones lord and teacher.

Loyalty

Faithful to ones family, friends, country, and ideals.

Where did this all begin, and where did it all go wrong?

(http://data.whicdn.com/images/6045365/f2b26fb466033d937ca9376ee95775ebf33398c5_m_thumb.jpg)

Maybe the Japanese corporate criminals should take a page from our favorite mouse.....

Tears for japan, shed from radiated tear ducts....

:(

Yes Thor, peace love and light is needed right now brother...badly!

Le

Arnie Gunderson and Dr. Helen Caldicott:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XUhJa7bLG4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRWO6AM6ExQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILsNIwWkHLs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddvu5iQSgLI

Thorfourwinds
Dear Friend, i've read your threads 4 some time & got a funny question to ye. Let's assume ye have become a president of the World. So, Mr. President, what will it be a plan how ye gonna solve a challenge from nuclear waste & outdated reactors?  ::)

Thor for president?

Hes got my vote!

Hows about the nuclear waste gets used for fuel...isnt it still radioactive?

The way I see it is that we need to proactively find ways to use the spent fuel, not dispose of it, and when it is no longer useful...well, the only thing we can do is bury it very deeply like at Cheyenne and hope someday our future generations find a way to deal with it safely.

As for the old reactors..dismantle them and bury them piece by piece, too.

Along with our leaders and their offspring.

Le

Quote from: Littleenki on September 08, 2012, 03:54:22 PM
Thor for president?

Hes got my vote!

Hows about the nuclear waste gets used for fuel...isnt it still radioactive?

The way I see it is that we need to proactively find ways to use the spent fuel, not dispose of it, and when it is no longer useful...well, the only thing we can do is bury it very deeply like at Cheyenne and hope someday our future generations find a way to deal with it safely.

As for the old reactors..dismantle them and bury them piece by piece, too.

Along with our leaders and their offspring.

Le

Littleenki, i'll be waiting an answer 4 a little while from our Friend & then i'll reply to ye in details  ;)

Quote from: Littleenki on September 08, 2012, 03:54:22 PM
Thor for president?

Hes got my vote!

Hows about the nuclear waste gets used for fuel...isnt it still radioactive?

The way I see it is that we need to proactively find ways to use the spent fuel, not dispose of it, and when it is no longer useful...well, the only thing we can do is bury it very deeply like at Cheyenne and hope someday our future generations find a way to deal with it safely.

As for the old reactors..dismantle them and bury them piece by piece, too.

Along with our leaders and their offspring.

Le

You brought up an idea, what about if we just put all of the reactors underground inside hardened concrete vaults and if they have a problem just seal the entrances. Along with who ever built them. Say a mile down or so in bed rock would do nicely....

Most of all these reactors went critical not because of the fuel being used, it is because of the greed for money and cutting corners where ever they could. They wanted all the money they could make.  A true reactor built to true safety standards can operate for 50 years with no problems. The greedy one will break when in trouble. Look at Japan, if the generators were positioned where they should have been, this would not have happened. If they built it to with stand a wave or earth quake, it would not have happened. They wanted the cake and ate it also. This is pure human greed you see, Now they are sweeping it under the table. The world should find these greedy people and at least prosecute them. Why should they get off scott free and with the millions they made from scamming the world. Greed.....

Burn it up in a thorium reactor....and that way it only last 300 years instead of thousands.

ok.. sorry..buttin in here for one small comment

instead of just wondering about how to do it

why not together, as one..concentrate  on the safe and total stopping
of all nuclear anything...
then watch the papers

ok..just had to say that   (http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/13/55/53/83/22112510.gif)

Looking forward to detail, Sarkoy!;)

Sky, Im adding it to my already long repertoire during meditation...nuclear UN-proliferation!

Great idea!

Le

Quote from: Littleenki on September 09, 2012, 03:59:41 PM
Looking forward to detail, Sarkoy!;)

Sky, Im adding it to my already long repertoire during meditation...nuclear UN-proliferation!

Great idea!

Le

Looks our Friend got too busy to provide any answer, so, Littleenki, my reply to ye.
we have four possible options to deal w/ this question:

• to burn spent fuel into harmless stuff would be great, but how long time will be taking to develop workable & safe solution ain't known even w/ HEIS aboard.
• to bury this material safely been possible, but too expensive.
• cost-effective graveyards can be run & no guarantees it will stay stable 4 long enough span.
• if we have no the least idea to pollute future of children, to get Earth rid of  that stuff deeply into outer Space is the Best option. To spend some efforts makes possible to down price on LEO to economically reasonable level.

Sarkoy...looks like 4 is the best from a quick overview..maybe 3...and if we get on it now..maybe 1.

At any rate we are in deep sh!t.

I like Z's idea of a sun shot, but as for our limited knowledge of the Sun's actual makeup, that could be simple, or disastrous.

Or simply disastrous.

What a conundrum, regardless, we need to stop making more waste immediately.

Yeah right..those guys are making a mint off of those nuke plants...and getting richer by the roentgen.

Cheers!

Quote from: Littleenki on September 09, 2012, 07:19:39 PM
Sarkoy...looks like 4 is the best from a quick overview..maybe 3...and if we get on it now..maybe 1.

At any rate we are in deep sh!t.

I like Z's idea of a sun shot, but as for our limited knowledge of the Sun's actual makeup, that could be simple, or disastrous.

Or simply disastrous.

What a conundrum, regardless, we need to stop making more waste immediately.

Yeah right..those guys are making a mint off of those nuke plants...and getting richer by the roentgen.

Cheers!

to shoot it on Sun is completely safe 4 Sun: Just remember how many Asteroids & Comets have been collided out the  ;)

Sounds quite safe to me...maybe better than the alternative too!

When do we start building the rockets?

And what is the calculated failure rate for a fleet of rockets loaded with nuclear waste..even one percent failure could be catastrophic..

Cheers!

Quote from: Littleenki on September 09, 2012, 07:35:01 PM
Sounds quite safe to me...maybe better than the alternative too!

When do we start building the rockets?

And what is the calculated failure rate for a fleet of rockets loaded with nuclear waste..even one percent failure could be catastrophic..

Cheers!

rockets always been pure sh!t about actual efficacy, it's horrible & sad that this bad conception has become dominant one  :( mp-ramjets must be developed to provide cheap access on LEO, but f%!k the -- i need HEIS to make it  :)

Quote from: SarK0Y on September 09, 2012, 06:53:16 PM
1. to burn spent fuel into harmless stuff would be great, but how long time will be taking to develop workable & safe solution ain't known even w/ HEIS aboard.

We already had that... Paul Brown's Nuclear Battery that absorbed all the radiation..

But they Killed him

Quote2. to bury this material safely been possible, but too expensive.

No more expensive than building a fleet of rockets to send it to the sun. Nuclear waste is HEAVY and there is a lot of it. Do the math n the required number of rockets to accomplish this  and then you STILL have to ship it to the launch site... so what is the difference shipping it to an already existing storage facility?

Shipping to launch site would cost the same as shipping it to Yucca Mountain.... but you have the added expense of the rockets, fuel and support system

If a truck carrying the sealed waste crashes... the radioactive material will still be secure in the cylinders  or at worse case contaminate a small area and be an easy clean up

but if a rocket crashes... the stuff will spread over a wide area

Quotebut if a rocket crashes... the stuff will spread over a wide area

Indeed!

Holy moley can you imagine the badness in the air?

And yes, the weight would be almost impossible to hoist into space...let alone the shielding required while the rocket was on the launch pad...

Sounds like the Brown Battery would be the number one if it wasnt shut down.

And Yucca mountain..thats just our waste..do the other nations have the wherewithal to store theirs?

Le

Quote from: zorgon on September 09, 2012, 08:47:28 PM
We already had that... Paul Brown's Nuclear Battery that absorbed all the radiation..

But they Killed him

Amicus, who are They, exactly? :P $-clans? :)

Quote from: zorgon on September 09, 2012, 08:47:28 PM

No more expensive than building a fleet of rockets to send it to the sun. Nuclear waste is HEAVY and there is a lot of it. Do the math n the required number of rockets to accomplish this  and then you STILL have to ship it to the launch site... so what is the difference shipping it to an already existing storage facility?

Shipping to launch site would cost the same as shipping it to Yucca Mountain.... but you have the added expense of the rockets, fuel and support system

If a truck carrying the sealed waste crashes... the radioactive material will still be secure in the cylinders  or at worse case contaminate a small area and be an easy clean up

but if a rocket crashes... the stuff will spread over a wide area

rockets are B$, we can use mp-ramjets  :)

Mega thread, thanks :)

Deuem;

QuoteYou brought up an idea, what about if we just put all of the reactors underground inside hardened concrete vaults and if they have a problem just seal the entrances.

Pressure. If a container blows, or water boils, the pressure would be so great it would rupture any container or door, even a mile down.
Let's make it 2 miles, with absorbtion chambers every 100 feet or so.. :)

QuoteAlong with who ever built them.

:D  Bury the slaves who built the pyramid?? :D

Quote...it is because of the greed for money and cutting corners where ever they could. They wanted all the money they could make.  A true reactor built to true safety standards can operate for 50 years with no problems.

Yes, it's about money as always :(

Sarkoy is right, we could throw them at the sun using cheap steam powered space jets, maybe with a flame jet generator in there too.

In any case, you are all right, we must stop this nuclear madness.
There are plenty of alternative sources...

They could also replace He3 on the moon, ton for ton, with radioactive waste, so our mining won't affect the orbit...

A good point Zorgon, what we really need is a portable device that can be taken to the waste & 'deactivate' it in some way.
Until then, we could fill up a few D.U.M.B.'s (they don't use them anyway)

Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on September 09, 2012, 10:08:43 PM
Sarkoy is right, we could throw them at the sun using cheap steam powered space jets, maybe with a flame jet generator in there too.

a little remark about mp-ramjet (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=320.msg7859#msg7859) :)

Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on September 09, 2012, 10:08:43 PM
They could also replace He3 on the moon, ton for ton, with radioactive waste, so our mining won't affect the orbit...

He3 has no real value, it'd be generated. prime issue of HF (hot fusion) is oscillation of magnetic field because artificial sun produces non-constant output, thereby, at higher power, it fires wires, electronics + dreadful mechanical vibrations goes on as well.

Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on September 09, 2012, 10:08:43 PM

A good point Zorgon, what we really need is a portable device that can be taken to the waste & 'deactivate' it in some way.
Until then, we could fill up a few D.U.M.B.'s (they don't use them anyway)

possible, but no so fast :)

Why are we not using LFTR Reactors?  Thorium Reactors would work for us.  Check out the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU3cUssuz-U

Can we take the Nuclear Genie and possibly put it back in the box and reduce the effect:  Kirk Sorenson a Nuclear Technologist tells us about what we could do with nuclear waste.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv-mFSoZOkE

This will explain Energy from Thorium.  Why haven't we used it?  Could we use this to get away from the Nuclear Demon?

http://energyfromthorium.com/lftradsrisks.html

Other countries have the jump on us.  Maybe I'm dense but this concept makes sense to me.  Well, maybe the people who make the money off the nuclear plants would be losong money and that's the reason it's not happening with Thorium.  Comments?

Although the process still creates fuel...(the article image states it creates NEW fuel)..it seems more viable than a typical LW reactor.

And the runaway resistance is a great feature.

Still a nuclear reactor, but it does show us there are more stable and safe ways to use nukes.

For my two cents, the money should be invested and the process checked out closer by the NRC, and then we could start using the waste for fuel instead of waffling on what to do with it.

Salt is also a very stable material at high heat, and can store heat well..resulting in excellent surge supply.

Cool idea!

Le

Quote from: spacemaverick on September 10, 2012, 05:25:08 AM
Why are we not using LFTR Reactors?  Thorium Reactors would work for us.  Check out the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU3cUssuz-U

because cheap Uranium has become a crappy curse of Nuclear Industry ;) anyway lovely MSR pets been the best choice to power mp-ramjets :)

Quote from: SarK0Y on September 09, 2012, 06:53:16 PM
Looks our Friend got too busy to provide any answer, so, Littleenki, my reply to ye.
we have four possible options to deal w/ this question:

• to burn spent fuel into harmless stuff would be great, but how long time will be taking to develop workable & safe solution ain't known even w/ HEIS aboard.
• to bury this material safely been possible, but too expensive.
• cost-effective graveyards can be run & no guarantees it will stay stable 4 long enough span.
• if we have no the least idea to pollute future of children, to get Earth rid of  that stuff deeply into outer Space is the Best option. To spend some efforts makes possible to down price on LEO to economically reasonable level.

Greetings:

QuoteLooks our Friend got too busy to provide any answer

Y'all might want to watch where you step... as it is getting quite deep around here... patience, patience.

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Quotedeeply into outer Space is the Best option.

The rocket solution is STILL brought up TIME AND AGAIN by otherwise-sane "rocket scientists" and their promoters. 

But it's a lousy idea because rockets fail WAY too often, including because of prior rocket failure's high-speed, microscopic, deadly SPACE DEBRIS in Near Earth Orbit, which the waste would have to successfully pass through. 

Also, there is WAY too much nuclear waste to expect much of it to get "up there" safely before a truly catastrophic accident occurs, not "vaporizing" (as in "rendering harmless through the process of incineration") but "particle-izing" the waste ("going particulate" is the actual technical expression).

Why does such a lousy idea keep coming up then? 

Because rationally, all OTHER choices have ALSO failed to pass scientific muster.

Without a 100% success rate, rockets are out!

Le

Quote from: Littleenki on September 16, 2012, 08:17:49 PM
Without a 100% success rate, rockets are out!

Le

Greetings:

Males in the northern hemisphere are said to piss out about a million atoms of plutonium every DAY of their LIVES, mostly Pu-238 (with a half-life of about 87.75 years), just from that one 1963 NASA space probe accident (http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19730010169_1973010169.pdf) (let alone all the other poisons we must ingest).

The chance of getting bladder cancer is about one in 30 for American men (it's about one in 90 for American women). 

Some portion of that is undoubtedly due to radioactive poisons.



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Quote from: thorfourwinds on September 16, 2012, 08:16:06 PM
The rocket solution is STILL brought up TIME AND AGAIN by otherwise-sane "rocket scientists" and their promoters.

But it's a lousy idea because rockets fail WAY too often, including because of prior rocket failure's high-speed, microscopic, deadly SPACE DEBRIS in Near Earth Orbit, which the waste would have to successfully pass through.

i just can repeat: rocket always been non-efficient crap, we need mp-ramjets  (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=320.msg7859#msg7859) ;)

I read something similar in the paper a few days ago, that Japan was going to scrap their future nuclear energy plans.
Good! Now if the Yakuzza would just let them junior engineers at Mitsubishi develop their permanent magnet motor instead of threatening to kill them, they might just get somewhere...
::)

An anti-nuclear protester holds a sign reading, 'Nuclear reactors are unnecessary,' during a demonstration outside Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda's official residence in Tokyo on September 14, 2012.

Japan to Complete Reactors Despite No-Nuclear Policy (http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/international/)

15 September 2012

Japan said Saturday it would go ahead with planned work to complete three new nuclear power reactors, despite saying a day earlier it would phase out atomic power generation by 2040.

The construction of the reactors at three different plants was suspended after a massive earthquake and tsunami sparked the Fukushima nuclear crisis on March 11 last year — the worst such accident in a generation.


"We don't intend to withdraw the permission that has already been given by the ministry,"



Yukio Edano, the minister of economy, trade and industry, said as he met local administrators in Aomori, northern Japan, according to reports.

Two of the reactors are located at plants in Aomori while the third is in the western district of Shimane.

Edano added, however, that the start-up of the reactors would be subject to approval by a newly-created government commission to regulate nuclear power.

On Friday, Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda's government adopted a new energy policy, including the nuclear phase-out, in what was widely seen as bowing to public pressure after the Fukushima disaster.

Nuclear energy has become a hot issue in Japan ahead of a snap general election expected this autumn. Protests have attracted tens of thousands of people calling for atomic power to be ditched.




The new policy calls for reactors more than 40 years old to be shut down, plans to build more nuclear reactors to be shelved and existing reactors only to be restarted if they pass standards issued by the new regulatory agency.

Japan turned off its 50 reactors in the wake of the Fukushima disaster but has restarted two of them due to the possibility of summertime power shortages. Japanese newspapers were divided over the new energy policy.

The influential Asahi Shimbun called the nuclear phase-out "realistic", stressing that




But the mass-circulation Yomiuri Shimbun said the government should first have outlined how it intended to meet the shortfall in energy production.


it said.

Agence France-Presse

'Innovative' strategy to end Japanese nuclear (http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/NP_Innovative_strategy_to_end_Japanese_nuclear_1409121.html)

14 September 2012

Japan has confirmed a goal of ending nuclear power generation in the 2030s.


The new strategy is based
on respect for the will of
the Japanese people,

but slashes environmental targets to perhaps as little as a 10% reduction in CO2 by 2030.



(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w400/thorfourwinds/September%2017%202012/Yoshihiko_Noda_14_September_2012_250x167.jpg)

Prime minister Yoshihiko Noda launched the
strategy at a cabinet meeting this morning


Recent surveys indicated a strong will among Japanese people to use as little nuclear energy as possible in the future and to make a new policy 'from scratch' that did not reflect the priorities of the establishment. Around half of people supported the 15% or 0% options for nuclear's share of electricity, compared to the 30% it provided before the Fukushima accident.

The Innovative Energy and Environment Strategy announced today seems to lie somewhere between the 0% and 15% options. It specifies that new nuclear power plants will not be built in the country, while existing reactors will be limited to a 40-year lifespan. This would mean the gradual reduction of nuclear power with today's newest reactors, that started in 2005, operating until 2045 even though the stated goal is to reduce nuclear power to zero 'in the 2030s'.


There was no clarification on this - or what would happen to the two reactors currently under construction

- illustrating the government's tactic of satisfying public opinion without making serious commitments.


Reactors currently operable but shut down would be allowed to restart once they gain permission from the incoming Nuclear Regulatory Authority, due for launch on 19 September.

A green energy policy framework should follow by the end of the year, including a roadmap to achieve the nuclear phase-out.

Fossil generation and renewables, complimented by energy efficiency, are envisaged as gradually replacing nuclear.

Concrete steps to facilitate this have yet to be detailed, but in the months between the accident and today it is has been energy austerity and imported fossil fuels that have filled the gap, resulting in a 60 million tonne increase in carbon dioxide emissions.

Accordingly, the new strategy also dramatically revises climate change goals. Under the pre-Fukushima policy, the goal was to achieve a 30% reduction in carbon dioxide emissions by 2030 compared to 1990 levels. Now, the goal is for a reduction of 'about 20%' in the case of low economic growth; and only 'about 10%' in the case of anything higher by 2030.

NukeSpeak:

Environmentalist Mark Lynas told World Nuclear News

the Japanese policy was
"nothing short of insane."

He complained that "politicians around the world - under pressure from populations subjected to decades of anti-nuclear fearmongering by people who call themselves greens - are raising the risks of catastrophic climate change in order to eliminate the safest power source ever invented."

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17 September 2012

Japan announced on Friday that the government led by Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda had adopted a new energy policy including a plan to end the use of nuclear power within the next three decades. The policy had been endorsed by the Japanese Cabinet as part of a new energy policy that calls for emphasizing conservation and renewable energy sources as well as energy saving measures such as the introduction of smart metering.

The policy also says that Japan should develop resources in nearby waters and look to cheaper procurement of liquefied natural gas and other fossil fuels, including shale gas.


The Japanese government began reviewing its energy policy in March 2011, after the now infamous Fuskushima nuclear power plant disaster, and worldwide scrutiny about the state of Japan's nuclear power infrastructure and management. Many will see this move as an effort on Japan's part to bow to the considerable amount of public pressure to which it has been subjected since the 2011 incident.


"The government will introduce every possible policy resource that would enable nuclear power generation to be at zero during the 2030s," the policy stated.


The new policy also calls for converting the Monju experimental fast breeder reactor into a test bed for treating nuclear waste and then decommissioning the reactor once those studies are complete. The plan, however, sets no date by which this shall be done.

The move would bring resource-poor Japan into line with European Union countries like Italy, Switzerland and Germany, which have said they will wean themselves off reliance on nuclear power by 2022, amid growing and increasingly vocal concern from citizens everywhere on the safety and sustainability of nuclear power.


When a major earthquake and tsunami hit Japan in March, 2011, amongst the destruction caused, was a failure of the cooling system in three reactors at Fukushima Dai-ichi Nuclear Power Plant, which eventually resulted in a nuclear meltdown on March 12 releasing massive amounts of radioactive compounds.

Thousands of people were forced to evacuate their homes around Fukushima in the weeks following what would turn out to be the largest nuclear disaster that the world had seen in 25 years, as the fallout from the atomic disaster spread radiation across the country and then the ocean in an ever-increasing radius.




In the months that followed, all of Japan's nuclear reactors were shut down for safety checks, with only two having been brought back online since. Japan is now heavily dependent on Middle East oil and has been forced to ramp up its imports to make up the energy shortfall since the accident.

Prior to the disaster, an energy plan adopted in 2010 called for boosting Japan's reliance on nuclear power from about one third to nearly half of generating capacity by 2050. In light of the continued pressure from the rest of the world since the disaster, Tokyo's new policy calls for existing reactors to be shut down after 40 years of service, that no new reactors be built and that existing reactors are only recommissioned subject to their successfully meeting standards issued by the new regulatory agency.

Out of Japan's 50 nuclear reactors, only two are currently operating, with the remainder awaiting clearance from safety checks and approval at both a local and national level before they can recommence operations.

As was to be expected, business lobbied heavily against the changing direction of Japan's energy policy, with warning of increased electricity costs should nuclear power be dropped as Japan's primary energy generation source, and the damage that could do to the Japanese economy and their ability to be internationally competitive in manufacturing and export.

Concern over the time it would take to ramp up a renewable energy program and the possibility that Japan would have to rely on fossil fuels in the interim, thus damaging their ability to meet emission reduction targets, was also cited, however, public opinion has hardened against nuclear power both, domestically and internationally, after the results of a series of investigations into Tokyo Electric Power Co., the Fukushima plant operator, found that

the operator had been complacent about safety, ignored warnings of vulnerability to natural disasters, and covered up problems and that the nuclear regulatory agency had been complicit in these activities, by looking the other way.
   

   
   
Polls show a clear majority want the nation to go nuclear-free. Anti-nuclear protests are being held at the prime minister's residence on a regular basis, each Friday evening throughout the summer, with the number of citizens attending the protest increasing each week.

Nuclear energy has become a hot issue for Japanese citizens leading up to the general election with anti-nuclear protests attracting up to tens of thousands of participants at an event.






Japan has, however, said it will continue with work to complete three new nuclear power reactors, which had already been planned and approved.

The construction of the reactors at three different plants had been suspended after the Fukushima meltdown. Two of the reactors are located at plants in Aomori while the third is in the western district of Shimane.

"We don't intend to withdraw the permission that has already been given by the ministry,"
said Yukio Edano, the minister of economy, trade and industry, on Saturday when he met with local administrators in Aomori, in northern Japan.

Edano added, however, that the start-up of the reactors would be subject to approval by a newly created government commission to regulate nuclear power.

The decision to phase out nuclear power "is regrettable," says Satoru Tanaka, a University of Tokyo nuclear engineer and former president of the Atomic Energy Society of Japan. He says the policy's impact on research is not yet clear. He and his colleagues would like to continue working on advanced, safer reactors. But he admits bringing them into service "would require convincing the public of their safety."

The Japanese media has been divided over the new direction that the energy policy will bring to Japan.

The influential Asahi Shimbun called the nuclear phase-out "realistic", stressing that "nuclear power plants face enormous risks and electric power companies have totally lost the nation's trust".
The mass-circulation Yomiuri Shimbun, however, said the government should first have outlined how it intended to meet the shortfall in energy production.


"It is extremely irresponsible for the government to tout 'zero nuclear power generation' without drawing up concrete steps to secure electric power in a stable manner,"

it said.

Whilst the policy still has a few more hurdles to overcome, including a review by the entire Cabinet before it is formally approved and the likelihood that the current ruling political party, the Democratic Party of Japan, is likely to be voted out of office in the upcoming elections in the next few months

and that their successors, in all likelihood the Liberal Democratic Party, may rescind the policy,

the weight of public opinion, both domestically within Japan and internationally in the countries with whom Japan does trade,

makes it likely that the days of Japan being a nuclear nation, are ending.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb5zT8D-Ppc



The memory of the worst nuclear disaster since Chernobyl in 1986 will not fade quickly from popular memory.

Sources:
http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2012/09/japanese-cabinet-panel...
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-14/japan-to-phase-out-nuclear-power/4...
http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/14862592/japan-to-complete-reac...


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Fierce Typhoons Spread Japan's Nuclear Contamination (http://earthweek.com/2013/ew131206/ew131206b.html)

6 December 2013

An unusually active and fierce typhoon season in Japan has brought a fresh flood of hazardous cesium particles from the country's Fukushima nuclear disaster zone to areas downstream, researchers say.

A joint study by France's Climate and Environmental Science Laboratory and Japan's Tsukuba University finds that people who escaped the initial fallout from reactor meltdowns in March 2011 could now find their food and water contaminated by the radioactive particles as typhoon runoff penetrates agricultural land and coastal plains.

The five typhoons that struck Japan during October alone were the most ever recorded during the month. Two other named storms struck the archipelago during September.

Earlier studies found that soil erosion from the tropical cyclones can move the radioactive isotopes cesium-134 and -137 from the mountains near the crippled Fukushima Daiichi plant into rivers and then out into the Pacific.

The latest research concludes that typhoons "strongly contribute" to soil dispersal, though it can be months later, after the winter snow melts, that nuclear contamination finally runs off into rivers.