Pegasus Research Consortium

(Minor warning:  I get a little heavy, here.  Nothing graphic, but possibly an 18+ topic)

The reason why I wanted to ask this question, is because there's always a lot of talk on ATS from Christians, about how UFOs are supposedly always, inevitably, unavoidably demonic; no ifs, buts, or maybes.  They also quote the renowned UFO researcher J. Allen Hynek, who apparently, ultimately came to the same conclusion, although I don't think he believed that to begin with.

When I mentioned the Pleiadians here a bit back as well, someone (I can't remember who off the top of my head, I'm sorry) also pointed me to another thread they'd made, about how apparently, it isn't possible to believe in extraterrestrials without being a victim of CIA mind control.

So I'm noticing a general pattern, pretty much everywhere, which does not allow for any possibility of extraterrestrial life being benevolent or positive in intention.  As another point, I found out probably last year, that one thing which both Christianity and Satanism have in common, is a belief that the final attempt at total deception of the human population by demons, was going to involve said demons masquerading as corporeal extraterrestrials.

I want to mention another odd story from my own experience, relating to this subject, which has been taking shape over the last little while.  About six years ago now, I first became acquainted with the writings of a woman named Lyssa Royal.  Lyssa is or was a channel within the New Age movement, who claims to have channelled a number of acorporeal extraterrestrial entities.  The one I'm going to be focusing on here, is a Pleiadian woman by the name of Sasha.

Sasha described certain elements of her society, and in fact described something very similar to what Amaterasu has spoken of, with the Abundance Paradigm.  Sasha mentioned an economic model which she called the Equal Value System, which apparently had parallels with the Hindu concept of Karma Yoga.  The idea was that the entire society was able to function on the basis of people being willing to give to each other, entirely without thought of reward or concern for reciprocity, because of the degree of both trust and maturity which existed within the society.  This tied in with another of Sasha's themes, concerning individual responsibility.

Sasha also, however, described her society as being extremely sexually liberal.  Pansexuality was the norm, and it was implied that literally every possible kind of sexual or romantic configuration was accepted and present, within the society.  Sex was engaged in freely, and it was again implied that the reason why this was possible, was because the Pleiadian equivalent of the Brotherhood of Man was not merely an abstract or theoretical idea to them, but a concrete, tangible, practical physical reality.  The entire species viewed itself as one family, and the concept of "strangers," apparently did not exist.

As another note, which ties in with the entire demonic meme, I knew someone who claimed to be a member of the Church of Satan in California, in 2005.  When Lyssa Royal's name came up in conversation at one point, this person replied that he knew of Lyssa, and that she had been involved with the church for several years.

Here's the more recent part.  About a week ago on YouTube, I first came across, and started watching, a number of videos released by a woman named Lacigreen; and almost immediately, my memories of Lyssa's channelled material from Sasha came flooding back into my head.

Lacigreen is:-

-  Pansexual, and extremely sexually liberal.  Possibly nymphomaniacal, although her implied sexual addiction may, to a degree, be part of an act.
-  Identifies herself as both a "peer sex educator," and "sexual futurist."
-  Is visibly beautiful and sensual, and has a strong sexual aura.
-  Has ideas which are virtually identical to Sasha's.  As long as precautions against disease are taken, there does not seem to be any form of (consensual) sexual activity, orientation, or relationship configuration (such as triads, polygamy, communal nudity, group sex, and so on) which Laci considers unacceptable.
-  A vehement atheist, although less aggressive than most I have come across.

As a final, perhaps synchronistic point, while browsing on the Web recently, I found a reference to the site YouPorn.  I'm not going to claim that I never look at pornography myself, and given that I hadn't seen that particular site before, I went and looked.  What I found in this particular case, however, was something I found profoundly disturbing.

There was a video called, "The more, the merrier!" which contained a group sex scene with I believe five people; three females and two males.  What struck me in this particular case, was the strongly chaotic and frenzied nature of the sexual activity being engaged in.  While watching this scene for the 20 seconds or so that I did, before having to turn away, I was shocked to be mentally reminded of something else which I had seen, years earlier.

It was a scene from the science fiction horror film, Event Horizon, about a superluminal spacecraft which had somehow entered another, extremely chaotic dimension, which was referred to in the film as Hell.  The specific scene from the film which reminded me of this porn scene, was some retrieved video footage which is shown early in the film, where it is implied what this "Hell," is like.  There is blood gushing from mouths, and other liquids coming from various other bodyparts, etc, as well as some screaming and moaning.  It's shocking stuff, but it was the rapid fire, chaotic or entropic nature of it, which reminded me of the YouPorn orgy clip.

This made me wonder; is frenzied, chaotic sex of that nature, the sort of thing which Sasha (and Lacigreen) had in mind for human society, when she talked about the complete sexual liberalism of her own supposed social model?

Two final points. 

Despite the degree of sexual liberalism and openness that now exists, and people like Lacigreen and Sasha calling for more, I recently discovered from Wikipedia, that the human birthrate in the industrialised world, has fallen in excess of 60% since 1950.  That date is particularly interesting, when you consider that it is usually the 50s which are cited as an archetypical example of a sexually repressive society.  Given this, I am beginning to suspect that there is actually an inverse correlation between sexual liberalism, and real reproductive fertility.  In other words, everyone's having sex, but hardly anyone is having children.

I am inclined to believe that this ties in with the psychopathic cabal's depopulation agenda, as documented by the Georgia Guidestones, which calls for the reduction of the human population to 500 million people; and truthfully, I have also long suspected that feminism and the growing social acceptance of non-heteronormative expressions of sexuality, are both key elements of that agenda.  Sex is now primarily viewed as a means of sensual aggrandisement, with reproduction having become almost completely irrelevant.  I believe feminism also plays a key role in the unsustainably low birth rate, (as low as 1.4 in some countries) by causing alienation, division, and antagonism between women and men.

My final point.

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The top photo is one of Laci Green, from her web site, Sexual Futurist.  The bottom photo is a scanned photo of Lyssa Royal, from during the 80s, when she would have been in her 30s, and thus closer to Laci's own age.  Is it just me, or is anyone else seeing some synchronicity, here?

This is also a similar appearance, in some respects, to a few other women associated with the Pleiadians which I've heard of, as well.

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The top picture is Barbara Marciniak, a channel of theirs.  The second picture is Semjase, Billy Meier's Pleiadian contact.  Note the similarity of the eyes.  The third picture is Kelly LeBrock, in her role as Lisa, in Weird Science.  I include her photo here, because LeBrock's role as Lisa, in terms of both personality and appearance, is quintessentially Pleiadian.  Note the similarity, again, to Lyssa Royal.

Virtually all Pleiadian contact that I've read about, seems to revolve around a similar theme; either a male contactee will be contacted by a beautiful, sensual, blonde or red haired woman, or the acorporeal entities associated with this species are themselves channelled by women with similar appearance.  Lacigreen is not a channel for them, but to me her overall vibe is sufficiently similar, that she really might as well be.

I'm not intending to draw any hard conclusions, here.  Just patterns I've noticed.  Some stuff to think about.

ET inherently "demonic..."  I would first like a definition of "demonic."  Does that mean, as might be concluded from the above, sexually "liberated?"  If so, I have no issues with "demonic."  If childbirth is reduced, that's fine by Me.  It means virtually all children born are WANTED.  As long as the sexual behavior does not deviate into breaking the three Laws, why should We care?

If it means death and destruction...  I would guess no.  High probability that if They wanted to exterminate Humans, They could.

But...  I believe there are a number of factions.  Some factions would protect Us.  Others, not so much.  Some are not "ET" in a literal sense, as it was Their ancestors who were ET, but They, Themselves were born here.  (These latter are likely the Ones in nominal control...)

So I suspect that "ET" is in contention, if not warring, with other ET and ET descendents.  Some are "demonic," others "angelic."  And a mixed bag in between.

That is what I would estimate.

It should be obviously plain to see, if your tuned to see it and not sheepled.

Here it is, we are prisoners, we are being handled like interned refuges, our lives mean little to the conquerers running this sheepledom. Life is not all what it appears to be. We are in a neural network where anything can be made to happen, anybody can be conjured into reality, reality is not what you learned it to be.

Everything the 5 senses experience can be manipulated anyway the system instructs the mechanism in your mind to interpret. See, thats the function of the brain, interpret the abstract into recognizable foolery and accept it.

Aliens, demons, angels, gods, devil, its all made up to distract you from finding the truth.

Pay very close attention to III, 3, three and the triangle. 3 sides and we see the triangle with a pyramid. 3 4 7 a set of numbers to research.

i think it would be all contingent on whether we are spiritual entities in flesh encounter suits or not.  if we are, then the encounter suit is supposed to be the follower not the leader.

Quote from: Gigas on August 03, 2012, 10:27:46 PM
It should be obviously plain to see, if your tuned to see it and not sheepled.

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Baa.  My apologies. ;)

Quote from: Gigas on August 03, 2012, 10:27:46 PM
It should be obviously plain to see, if your tuned to see it and not sheepled.

Here it is, we are prisoners, we are being handled like interned refuges, our lives mean little to the conquerers running this sheepledom. Life is not all what it appears to be. We are in a neural network where anything can be made to happen, anybody can be conjured into reality, reality is not what you learned it to be.

Everything the 5 senses experience can be manipulated anyway the system instructs the mechanism in your mind to interpret. See, thats the function of the brain, interpret the abstract into recognizable foolery and accept it.

Aliens, demons, angels, gods, devil, its all made up to distract you from finding the truth.

Pay very close attention to III, 3, three and the triangle. 3 sides and we see the triangle with a pyramid. 3 4 7 a set of numbers to research.

Well...  If nothing can be trusted, then what?

I googled 3 4 7 - got all kinds of things - bible stuff, 3+4=7, an album by Midnight Oil, but nothing I saw as relating to this topic...

Quote from: petrus4 on August 03, 2012, 10:52:09 PM
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Baa.  My apologies. ;)

There you have it.

Before your essence, the conscious you is dropped into this manufactured reality, the parting word upon departure is BELIEVE.

Quote from: Amaterasu on August 03, 2012, 11:02:30 PM
Well...  If nothing can be trusted, then what?

I googled 3 4 7 - got all kinds of things - bible stuff, 3+4=7, an album by Midnight Oil, but nothing I saw as relating to this topic...

If there's one thing I've learned to appreciate, it's people who, while sober, can communicate in a style which for me, usually requires the consumption of LSD in order to achieve. ;)

What is left if One believes in nothing, Gigas? Where would the point be in continuing with no beliefs about anything?  One has to believe something - even if it is about the rules of the video game We play.

Relating this to ET, We may consider that the video game offers many worlds, many histories, many races (just like the MMORP).  Could not some then have traveled to Our segment of the game?  Or do You say that any such Beings do not exist in this game We play?

When one is reminded to believe, one must wonder why. Believe the lie, the deception, the distractions. If you feel the need to believe and the world looks fine with all thats going on and not making sense but you have to believe its humans doing this, well, thats up to whomever wishes to believe. Long time ago my mom told me, you don't believe in anything. How right she was.

I'm suspicious of this whole affair and those numerals, 3 4 7 were planted in my head as part of the puzzle that needs to be arranged.

Quote from: Gigas on August 04, 2012, 01:28:06 AM
When one is reminded to believe, one must wonder why. Believe the lie, the deception, the distractions. If you feel the need to believe and the world looks fine with all thats going on and not making sense but you have to believe its humans doing this, well, thats up to whomever wishes to believe. Long time ago my mom told me, you don't believe in anything. How right she was.

I'm suspicious of this whole affair and those numerals, 3 4 7 were planted in my head as part of the puzzle that needs to be arranged.

Um...  One believes that breakfast solves hunger, and that a good breakfast nourishes the body better than a bad one.  So, should I think it is a a lie when I am reminded a good breakfast is better than a bad one?  Or that breakfast solves hunger?  Where does One draw the line here?  So...  Do You believe You exist?

As for the numbers...  Ok.  I found nothing I see as significant except that the first two add up to the last.

I am not sure that I follow all what is referred to as we have all had different experiences and no doubt some members on here have deeply studied some of the topics on here.

Am I right in saying ( as I think that I understand ) that if say we believe that we are totally controlled in our existence that maybe we no longer have much believe for the future...or something along these lines..

Is it being suggested that this control is E.T related or human created ! or maybe combination...

Admittedly I suspect that If we new for sure that we are under a total control and we did not like this...then it seems that we have little hope for better things if say Total freedom was our desire !

IF we did not know what we believe that we know...for eg had never studied this type of thing...then we would just go along with our daily lives without being aware...

I myself at times wish I did not know what I believe that I now know...as I was freer in my mind before I was aware of what I believe may be going on.

Initially after some study I believed it was Governments that were controlling most things...  Or maybe my a combination of lack of my own abilities , mental &  physical strength, not higher enough IQ ..etc to create my own destiny as I would like it... I suspect 95% or more of the population may feel like this at least some of the time.

IF however I / we become aware of other agendas, such as we have become controlled by other forces beyond our control...such as Gov manipulation...maybe DNA or genetic manipulation by the powers that be or by E.T ....then I do not see much chance of altering ones destiny...unless something can change..

Just trying to get out of the Rat race for most is a huge challenge...before we can even consider really living as we desire..

Obtaining money helps to some degree, no doubt...but money alone cannot prevent outside forces effecting us..

We can all be targeted...by what we may see as Evil forces...

What I do know is that the older and wiser I become the more fearful I have become... and much of the fears do stop us really living our lives..

I don't know if I am indicating some of the things that may be being suggested in some of the posts..! 

In a deceptive systemic system we find ourselves in at this moment, we think we know it. But, knowing it how. If you think eating takes the hunger away, what about when you eat and nothing seems to stop that empty feeling.

It goes way deep in how much you allow in the belief system of believing. Do you believe 911 was a phony made to happen event or just the way the experts said it went down. Did you believe the Oklahoma bombing from 1 guy and a truck or the controllers version.

What I'm getting at is this, how much will you believe from your own thinking verses what you are told and shown. Life is a lie no matter how you toss it.

Aliens look just like us and mingle in our reality. I know this for a fact. They have no empathy to humans and will kill you, me and anyone else that may interfere with their time here. Their technology can move them in and out of our time and space.

None of you have to believe me. Its something you have to find and wrap your mind around as you put it together and see the big picture. This is a prison and its filled with drip fed distractions to keep you chasing illusive dreams.

I have been under the alien deep stare.

In modern society with ALL the media type control...TV, PC, Newspapers magazines etc... I agree that we are totally bombarded with mind control.
I question also is it mind stimulation or mind control...Some TV programs and internet forums like PRC..I / we may like...a lot of the other things that enter my / our eyes / mind...maybe I / we  ignore or just filter somehow...although I do not doubt a lot of mind control will be subconsciously enter my / our psychy...

If I was on a desert Island...with none of this connection,One wonders how differently we would be.

I have to say....JUST HOW complicated Life can appear....Science being one example and Economics and the whole Political / control system is another.

For eg..I am told that the stock / financial markets is designed..to take the money from the uneducated into the hands of the educated...
Politicians and Bankers create varied conditions to continually ROB US ALL...
Yet most of us do NOT understand what is going on...
This keeps us under their control..again Money being a major controlling force...in the educated 1st world economies..where as one time , it would had been more a case of the strong would manipulate the weak..until the Gun was invented... then it became who was faster ! and so on etc..

Gigas...I wonder if you would consider sharing your E.T experiences.
If you have wrote about them...can you indicate which threads that I can look at.


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What I'm getting at is this, how much will you believe from your own thinking verses what you are told and shown. Life is a lie no matter how you toss it.

Aliens look just like us and mingle in our reality. I know this for a fact. They have no empathy to humans and will kill you, me and anyone else that may interfere with their time here. Their technology can move them in and out of our time and space.

None of you have to believe me. Its something you have to find and wrap your mind around as you put it together and see the big picture. This is a prison and its filled with drip fed distractions to keep you chasing illusive dreams.

I have been under the alien deep stare.

I don't write much about that time anymore but.

I will say this. I did not believe in aliens, ufos I knew from reading, but aliens, no.

They took me up while I was asleep up in medway maine back in october 88. Here's what I saw as I was floated up in pitch blackness.

I'd like to mention something to you who believe what you think the world is over what really it is.

My internet gets all crazy when I begin to tell about things your not suppose to notice and know. Right now I am having trouble posting.

They also tamper with my phone lines alot. When I am talking to someone about things they don't want me to talk about, they cut the line, always. My family knows this from it happening when they call me or I call them and tell them matrix events. The phone lines will beep, chirp, tones go up and down scale and the final click with the line dropped.

So, they are aware I am aware.

This image is of, one of the aliens preparing to withdraw my life force from my left side. That round device was placed on my left neck and jaw. The aliens had three fingers and the black eyes did not reflect any light from the circular room.

Just about to post this then I saw you next message...

I can understand what you are thinking and why you may not discuss things....Looking at what you said about the image... From what I understand you suggest that you were abducted while sleeping...So is this what you believe to have seen when you woke up ? Do you believe that this was on a Ship ? ( if you don't want to say I understand )

With ref to you 2nd message....This may happen to the majority of people in general these days...

Sometimes we think we may have a virus that is effecting our PCs...
then all of a sudden at VITAL times.... they begin to act strangely..

I suspect what your saying may be correct.!

I don't know if they can access the actual forum or tell what ones keystrokes are as we write on our keyboards.

So are aliens demons or demons aliens.

What do you think a superior race would do with heathens like us. Certainly they would remain hidden because to allow us to know them would ruin the game.

BTW, petrus4, good observations on things.

:o How scary that must have been ! What a terrifying experience...

But you survived to tell the story !

And you feel it was absolutely real , and not a dream !

I agree that thinking very carefully about things...IF E.T is on this planet...I suspect that they could be so advanced that they could be ghost like...appear or disappear at will...Have technology far beyond our comprehension...

We may be part of one of their projects....and they do not wish to inform us obviously that they are here...

IF they are in contact with the Human Elites...Gov and military...then they are doing whatever they can to try and prevent us ever finding out the truth...

The main  basis of story behind the "X Files" series may be true !

Quote from: Gigas on August 04, 2012, 04:19:25 AM
This image is of, one of the aliens preparing to withdraw my life force from my left side. That round device was placed on my left neck and jaw. The aliens had three fingers and the black eyes did not reflect any light from the circular room.

The number three, III, 3.


CIA
NSA
FBI
IRS
OSS

There's a lot more..............

Do you see the significent of that number three, there. Those three letter alphabet organizations are all in on keeping you out of the scheme of things. Pay attention to all three letter organizations. Include the Tri-lateral commission. Who do you think is behind all those three letter alpha groups.

Allow me to tell you my position when the alien placed the circular object on my neck and jaw. It was cold. I was in control telling myself all the while this is not real. When the alien turned on the device, it had to be by a transmission of sorts. It did not do anything but place the object as I began to feel a warmth running up my left leg as if a liquid was crawling up from my foot. That soon turned hot and a tingling sensation began. That hot tingling began in my left arm as well my leg with that flowing up of a liquid like my arm and leg were being dipped but I wasn't being moved.

The feeling was acting on its own as it moved up my left leg and arm. That tingling became intense like high voltage electricity. I was fighting them mentally and kept thinking this is not real. I was not afraid till whatever this alien was doing as it stared into my eyes became over powering and I was in shock and deathly afraid. Even though they had me immobile and I could only move my eyes, I know I was arching my back fighting them and suddenly it all faded away and I was floated back down to my trucks sleeper.

It was no dream. They had me.

The very fact they, it, a super intellegience can manipulate our time and space as they enter and exit is obviously a matter of how real is reality if not a dream state or holotopical manifestation.

With Petrus and other members indicating that some Aliens could be among us....

No doubt this is a possibility...

What is frightening to average people is often the Intelligence that some of these organizations employ...

Many of these CIA types will have a high IQ and are often physically in better shape or stronger than the average person..

If an average person has an IQ of 100 and these guys are in the 150 plus range within the top 1%... most of us do not have much chance in dealing with them...

IF  E.Ts were also involved in similar roles....then no doubt they could be super intelligent...

When I look how sharp some people are on TV ..I have often wondered myself if maybe some could be E.T in disguise...

IF E.T has done some sort of deal with GOV...looking at the amount of and speed at which technology has changed in the last 50/60 years.. I do not discount the possibilities behind it that they have brought in some of this technology...

I would like to know How many PRC members believe that E.Ts exist and how many do not !

The GOV is no longer under control of the people for the people by the people.

It is compromised and when new electives go in, they are changed almost over night. Thats why they are destroying our world and no one is stopping them. Here;s how it is and nothing you can do about it.

Their mindless droids. Look how they talk, listen to what they say and watch their faces. They no longer are humans. Same with the military.

There is no doubt about it in my view, that the whole political agenda seems ridiculous...and after a while when one becomes more familiar with what is going on....it does just seem manipulated..

IF this is down to E.T rulers...and if they have agendas for us all...
One wonders what is all about...

NO doubt if they want to destroy us... they could do instantly...

So one wonders whats their plan and why ?

If they want to enslave us or chip us to become drones / druids or robots...
then again...rather than do it gradually... I suspect that they could do it almost overnight if they wanted to....

So one has to question whats their agenda and why ?

Do the masses really mean anything to them ?

Gigas...

So they abducted you in your truck while on the road trying to sleep !

How if at all did you get over this ?

How did you feel the next day / coming days...and did it effect you when dealing with people....?


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I was not afraid till whatever this alien was doing as it stared into my eyes became over powering and I was in shock and deathly afraid. Even though they had me immobile and I could only move my eyes, I know I was arching my back fighting them and suddenly it all faded away and I was floated back down to my trucks sleeper.

They, it, them have no empathy for humans. They won't destroy us, thats up to us to do. By following there orders, they play us. Thats why never go into the military. They will change you for the worst.

Now that right there brings this scenario into the game. In the movie john carter of mars, there is an occult force that manifest and its called the therms. They tell john carter they don't destroy civilizations, they facilitate it. These therms travel to earth and do their business here as well.

They can shapeshift and become human. They can become anyone they wish to mimic.

It has been said by men in government that they fear for their lives and their families lives. Which brings this.

Woodrow Wilson wrote in a new freedom, Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.



If you want that to be the bankers, ok. But what if thats not what it is, what if its a power beyond human power.

Quote from: astr0144 on August 04, 2012, 05:26:33 AM
Gigas...

So they abducted you in your truck while on the road trying to sleep !

How if at all did you get over this ?

How did you feel the next day / coming days...and did it effect you when dealing with people....?


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I was not afraid till whatever this alien was doing as it stared into my eyes became over powering and I was in shock and deathly afraid. Even though they had me immobile and I could only move my eyes, I know I was arching my back fighting them and suddenly it all faded away and I was floated back down to my trucks sleeper.

I was in shock. I stepped from my truck in the rest area to pee. I stood at the door of my truck frozen because I had the over powering fear something was above and behind me looking down at me. I jumped back in my truck and drove 50 miles to bangor maine to the truck stop. My left side was still buzzing as I walked around inside and still could not believe it.

To this day, my entire left side still has the tingling and buzzing feeling

With bankers...I suppose it would mainly be down to money that gives them power after they have manipulated the financial system to fleece us of our money into their pockets....

IF E.Ts in power....then I am not sure money would be their agenda....

I don't know !  Maybe they just want to have whatever connection they want with use of our planet...or maybe we are part of their project...for their amusement !

Got to ZZZ for now ! ....speak again soon ..

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If you want that to be the bankers, ok. But what if thats not what it is, what if its a power beyond human power.

lol, I'll send a visitor to your dreamzzzzzz

I would like to know How many PRC members believe that E.Ts exist and how many do not !

I have just accepted it as fact for a long time.  When I came to the conclusion that spacetime could be mastered that automatically made it possible in my mind for others to visit from afar.  I too have had some "dreams" that I was not sure what to think of until I read Whitley Strieber's COMMUNION.  Some things were perfect matches. 
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Maybe all demons are inherently ET's? 

Very weird !...One asks what it was all about...many questions to be asked.

What had they done to you and why  ?
whats it done to you psychologically / Physically ?

How big were these beings and how would you describe them...?

Did they take you into the craft to do this ?

How many were there ? can you recall the surroundings in other detail ?

Hope to continue on with this later / over the weekend..

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I was in shock. I stepped from my truck in the rest area to pee. I stood at the door of my truck frozen because I had the over powering fear something was above and behind me looking down at me. I jumped back in my truck and drove 50 miles to bangor maine to the truck stop. My left side was still buzzing as I walked around inside and still could not believe it.

To this day, my entire left side still has the tingling and buzzing feeling

???    :o    ::)    Now I do not want to become abducted during my zzz time !   :(......

I probably wont be able to zzz after reading and thinking about this !
:)

Quote from: Gigas on August 04, 2012, 05:44:25 AM
lol, I'll send a visitor to your dreamzzzzzz

Perhaps we can ask Zorgon to do a PRC survey on how many of the members believe E.T is on our planet !  :)

It maybe that some are demons and some are angels !  ???  :)

Quote from: COSMO on August 04, 2012, 05:45:51 AM
I would like to know How many PRC members believe that E.Ts exist and how many do not !

I have just accepted it as fact for a long time.

Maybe all demons are inherently ET's?

Where there is power and authority, they will be found.

Hey, I was thinking, they may have taken all the gold from the knox box since that was what Bryce Zabel was told their here for.

Quote from: astr0144 on August 04, 2012, 05:57:00 AM
It maybe that some are demons and some are angels !  ???  :)

Since the Gods, Demons and Angels of religions are NOT OF THIS EARTH

The whole lot of them are in the truest meaning of the word, Extraterrestrial

This is what we call and Alien today.... would you class it as a Demon or an Angel?

(http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2008/02/22/alien-warrior_48.jpg)

If you saw this one in the 12th Century would it be considered an Angel or a Demon?

(http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jan/20-things-aliens/alien198.jpg)

If you saw this Pleiadian Priestess would she be a Demon or an Angel?

(http://iona-inner.net/images/star-%20priestess.jpg)

What if she had a serpent like Goa'uld symbiote inside her like Hathor?

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb57088/stargate/images/1/13/Goa%27uld.JPG)

And what of this little beauty? An Angel?

(http://www.nassaulibrary.org/centreblog/anna.jpg)

Or a Demon?

(http://images.buddytv.com/usrimages/usr700040303/700040303_8af966dc-cdf2-4f2f-9783-57dabaa2133c-anna-v-abc.jpg)

Not so easy, is it?

Quote from: Gigas on August 04, 2012, 04:25:26 AM
So are aliens demons or demons aliens.

What do you think a superior race would do with heathens like us. Certainly they would remain hidden because to allow us to know them would ruin the game.

BTW, petrus4, good observations on things.

For the record, I'm inclined to remain stubbornly persistent in my belief that the Pleiadians (assuming that they definitely do exist at all, of course; which barring ridicule, I'm inclined to at least hypothetically suspect that they do) are not, in fact, demonic.

The stuff that I've read about them does, however, challenge me, and I think they want it to.  The sexual aspect in particular is a major challenge to my worldview.  For most of my life, I've thrown sex into the proverbial "too hard," basket.  Truthfully I tend to view romance in general as being entirely more trouble than it is worth, and even if I was to stop thinking like that, my parents are always on hand to trash any potential relationship I get into, before it has a chance to begin. 

So it's a lot easier for me, to basically go through life viewing myself as the perpetual autistic five year old that they view me as.  At least that way, I get to avoid conflict.  Sex is something for adults, and one of the core definitions of autism is that with it, you don't get to become one.

I also genuinely do believe in what I said about their being an inverse relationship between sexual freedom and actual reproduction, and that the cabal are using that as a weapon against us, for the purposes of depopulation.  The more open people are about sex, the more they use it purely for pleasure.  While I actually don't believe that there is anything wrong with pleasure, in and of itself, I also believe that things need to be used for the purpose that they were meant for.  It's not good for the long term survival of the species, if everyone is having sex, but nobody (or close to nobody) is reproducing.

Humanity is a child species.  When I've read Lyssa's channelling, the one persistent mental image I got, was of around a 28-32 year old, (them) talking to a 14 to 17 year old.  (Us)

In other words, yes they're adults, to a greater degree than we are.  At the same time, they haven't been adults for all that long, relatively speaking, so there's still a certain amount of the punkishness, rebellion, and proverbial "spit and vinegar," there, but that is waning.  If you read Billy Meier, that is implied there as well; it's not just in Lyssa's stuff.  The fact that they have a bit of an attitude, in that respect, is also a big part of what makes it easier for Christians to regard them as demons. 

Truthfully however, even though it's challenging, this is actually one of the main things I like about them.  To the degree that we speculate about extraterrestrials at all, it is usually assumed that the group in question will be a long way ahead of us, not just technologically speaking, but developmentally as well.  So you tend to come up with mental images of a group like the Vulcans, who are very detached and boring, and don't really have much personality at all.  The idea, on the other hand, of a group who, while having progressed technologically, to a degree still have a dash of appreciation for blue denim, motocycles, and Axel Rose, is a lot more appealing, and approachable. ;)

Quote from: Gigas on August 04, 2012, 02:33:36 AM
In a deceptive systemic system we find ourselves in at this moment, we think we know it. But, knowing it how. If you think eating takes the hunger away, what about when you eat and nothing seems to stop that empty feeling.

Never really had that experience...  Eating always seems to fix the hunger issue.

QuoteIt goes way deep in how much you allow in the belief system of believing. Do you believe 911 was a phony made to happen event or just the way the experts said it went down. Did you believe the Oklahoma bombing from 1 guy and a truck or the controllers version.

What I'm getting at is this, how much will you believe from your own thinking verses what you are told and shown. Life is a lie no matter how you toss it.

I tend to assign probabilities.  I believe nothing 100% but there are things that I give 99.999999%.  I also adjust probabilities as I collect data.  Life is not so much a lie to Me as a mystery to be investigated.  I have given the probability that 9/11 was a phony made to happen event about 99.5% and the probability it went down as "They" say it did about .5%.  This is based on extensive investigation.  About the same on Oklahoma.  99.5% it was staged, .5% it was a random guy with a single truck bomb.

QuoteAliens look just like us and mingle in our reality. I know this for a fact. They have no empathy to humans and will kill you, me and anyone else that may interfere with their time here. Their technology can move them in and out of our time and space.

I give this about a 90% chance of being true relative to one species.  I give a good 80% probability that there are other species that do care and have empathy.  More data are needed to pin these probabilities down.

QuoteNone of you have to believe me. Its something you have to find and wrap your mind around as you put it together and see the big picture. This is a prison and its filled with drip fed distractions to keep you chasing illusive dreams.

I give the probability that this is indeed a prison planet 95% or better.  I see things that lead Me to give that same probability to being distraction...  I will not claim I "believe" (or disbelieve) You, but give, again, the same probability to Your words being true.

QuoteI have been under the alien deep stare.

Would love to hear Your description of that experience.  [smile]

EDIT to add:  Did not read further.  Thank You for the description of Your experience.

Quote from: Gigas on August 04, 2012, 05:29:57 AM
If you want that to be the bankers, ok. But what if thats not what it is, what if its a power beyond human power.

What if They ARE the bankers...  Or become "satan" to encourage worship of that?  Duping those bankers into that "religion?"  We have good evidence to place high probabilities on the idea that They (the bankers) are "satanists..."  Some have claimed to have seen "satan."  So...  Could it have been these aliens shapeshifting into "satan" to further these bankers' beliefs in "satan?"

QuoteSince the Gods, Demons and Angels of religions are NOT OF THIS EARTH

well that's a bit of a technicality.  they WERE but now they're not but yet they can be and occassionally are. 
and we have variants.   mannnny variants.
as a word ,"angel", refers to many different races. 

2 of them mentioned in the bible,  may be the same: cherubim and seraphim.  (short versions: cherub, seraph).  i don't know if they are the same, to be honest. i'd be more inclined to think the cherub were like greys, in that they are diminutive, naked, flying (usually a requirement of an angel is the ability to fly) and also near/around the throne of god.  and seraph are more like reptilians, as far as the ufology thing goes because seraphim are serpents/dragons. 

one reason cherub may be the same as seraph is that the cherub is another name for chariot.  in effect, the conveyance of god.  lucifer was said to be a covering cherub, perhaps a conveyance and guardian of god.  and if you imply the plural meaning to elohim (and it is a plural word), there's alot more than one cherub conveyance.

thing is, even after the fall of "lucifer", there are still seraphim around the throne of god.  and presumably that's because only 1/3rd fell with lucifer.   so some dragons/serpents, are still "friends" (covering/conveyances) with god and some are not.  what's a seraph look like, you might ask?  it's a dragon/serpent with 6 wings.   wings?  it's a flying conveyance.

why  would dragons/serpents be around the throne of god?  the metaphors start getting heavy in this area. 

there's the zoa variety, which has eyes covering its body. i think that is the wheel within in a wheel reference in ezekiel 1, cause the wheel had eyes covering it and the six winged angel with 4 faces was inside it. if the seraph told the wheels with eyes to "go this way," it went that way, wherever the seraphim told the wheels to go, that's where they went.  so a zoa is a seraph inside the wheels with eyes.

there are so many theories on what all that means, including michael heiser's mundane version which states that it's just a reference to the hebrew version of time passage, based on the movement of stars and constellations across the sky.  the four faces of the "spirit" inside the wheels, were man, eagle, ox, lion which are the names of constellations on each of four compass points in the sky (n,s,e,w).  and the inference that god's conveyance, his celestial chariot as it were, is the sky, in all 4 directions.  and the wheels are like the ecliptic constellations. 

that, unfortunately, does not cover the rest of the information.  we look at this type of heavy metaphor and try our best to describe it in context, but sometimes the surrounding context is only one layer of the actual information. i admit, heiser has a very good point, however, it doesn't explain the arrival of the zoa/seraph, which even if the wheels are constellations, still has the entire thing happening from ...well, watch this (and notice he says, "the heavens were opened".  i don't think he means clouds moved aside!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ET7WXK4D_g

notice he says the wheels were like the appearance of chrysolite or electrum.  far as i know, the ecliptic is not the color of chrysolite :D
there are too many things in there that heiser doesn't address.

the northern hemisphere of the sky, has a constellation called draco, which is to say, dragon.  it marks precession in the book of revelation. its tail hurls 1/3rd of the stars to the earth (fallen angels, et.al, fallen conveyances, perhaps). it doesn't mean real stars cause just one star hurled at earth would be curtains for the planet.  it's talking about the precession of the equinoxes.  as precession advances, the tail of draco appears to "scoop" (notice the scoop of the little dipper is in draco's tail) the stars up and then as precession advances more, the tail is turned upside down and now the contents of the scoop are facing downwards as if dropping it's contents on the earth from the sky.  this is a time reference. however, this is not the way it's being implied in ezekiel 1.  there may be a time reference embedded in it, but it is not the only information. 

if these things are metaphors in layers, one layer would be referring to time, another referring to hierarchy, another referring to who is where and what they are doing and how they do it, and finally, what this means to us, in the broader scope of ufology, angelogy and demonology.

strictly speaking, demons are said to be the disembodied spirits of the nephilim of the old testament. a nephil or nephal, was a human that was part "angel" or part "god."   when they died,  they had no glorified body to ascend to because they were neither fully human nor fully angelic nor fully god.  so they supposedly, possess, in some way, the bodies of humans on this planet, in order to have physicality. 

Petrus4, you mention the film Event Horizon and all the chaotic madness in the film,
Funny, of all the film's i like, this is one of my favourites in it's genre,YET there is something
very terrifying about the film. The whole stardrive and the creation of an event horizon
to me a "stargate" seems to close to the truth.
as much as i love the film it troubles me also and i don't spook easy.

And yes i think there are "them" who mingle amongst us i have no proof though.

Quote from: petrus4 on August 04, 2012, 12:42:09 PM
I also genuinely do believe in what I said about their being an inverse relationship between sexual freedom and actual reproduction, and that the cabal are using that as a weapon against us, for the purposes of depopulation.  The more open people are about sex, the more they use it purely for pleasure.  While I actually don't believe that there is anything wrong with pleasure, in and of itself, I also believe that things need to be used for the purpose that they were meant for.  It's not good for the long term survival of the species, if everyone is having sex, but nobody (or close to nobody) is reproducing.

If You believe that Humans are too plentiful on this planet, then it's a good thing to reduce birth rates.  If You give high probabilities to the idea that We could support many more Humans on this planet (like at least 10 times), then it is irrelevant.  It just means that children who are born will be wanted, and We will reach the limits of the planet in a longer span of time.

I opine that sex is for BOTH procreative and pleasure functions.  I see no issue in focusing on the pleasure.  (This from One who has taken an oath of celibacy...  LOL!)

QuoteHumanity is a child species.

I opine that Humanity has been FORCED into "child species" status.  Through manipulation and control, We have not been allowed to mature.

Quote from: undo11 on August 04, 2012, 02:32:26 PM
well that's a bit of a technicality.  they WERE but now they're not but yet they can be and occassionally are. 
and we have variants.   mannnny variants.
as a word ,"angel", refers to many different races.

Right... that clears it all up...    :o

Quote2 of them mentioned in the bible,  may be the same: cherubim and seraphim.  (short versions: cherub, seraph).  i don't know if they are the same, to be honest. i'd be more inclined to think the cherub were like greys, in that they are diminutive, naked, flying (usually a requirement of an angel is the ability to fly) and also near/around the throne of god.  and seraph are more like reptilians, as far as the ufology thing goes because seraphim are serpents/dragons. 

Cherubim at the time of Solomon looked like this....

(http://www.biblesearchers.com/temples/jeremiah7_files/image001.jpg)

Today that has been distorted so they look look like this...

(http://www.fantasyarts.net/images/cherubsraphaellg.jpg)

Quote from: zorgon on August 04, 2012, 10:41:33 AM
If you saw this Pleiadian Priestess would she be a Demon or an Angel?

(http://iona-inner.net/images/star-%20priestess.jpg)

My own particular form of superficial discrimination is inverted, to be honest.  I've learned to associate ugliness with virtue; not beauty. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NF5XU-k2Vk

Also, I didn't consider Hathor from SG-1 to be attractive at all, to be honest.  The Goodies' Tim Brooke Taylor, with D cup breasts.  These are the things that heterosexual male nightmares are made of. ;)

(http://www.scifimoviezone.com/imagestargate/sg1galleryseason0126.jpg)
(http://www.oocities.org/hollywood/4705/tbt_portrait.gif)

I'll take the Pleiadian Priestess!  Beam me up!   :D

Quote from: COSMO on August 04, 2012, 07:25:14 PM
I'll take the Pleiadian Priestess!  Beam me up!   :D

I saw her first.  >:(

Quote from: petrus4 on August 04, 2012, 07:17:24 PM
Also, I didn't consider Hathor from SG-1 to be attractive at all, to be honest.
These are the things that heterosexual male nightmares are made of. ;)

Speak for yourself :P

But you missed the point entirely

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the cherubim are winged sphinx, in that pic you showed from solomon's temple.  i think we had this discussion before.  the source of the pic makes a big difference. for example, if it's described in the text somewhere, from that time frame, then that description is more likely  the legitimate appearance.  if it's in a later artwork, that is attempting to depict what they believe it looked like, then you end up with other things, such as a little human with wings.  cherubim fly, remember.   they are a conveyance of "god's" heavenly mode of transportation.  the covering cherub was a mode of transportation.  in effect, if those are legitimate representations of the original, et.al, sphinxes, that means there are flying craft or conveyances, that look like sphinxes.  i realize this is a technicality, as a cherub could be represented by both its mode of transport and it's driver.

as far as the confusing part:

you know my position on that subject: that there were upright, bipedal reptilian, sentient beings on the planet, prior to homo sapians and that they grew to be technologically advanced and went out, colonized other planets and moons.   i'm surprised you're confused after having read/heard my take on that at least 20 times :D

This alien or Neanderthal. Sure looks foreign to the planet.

Here's a reptilian cloaked sauroid Draco.

That build is definitely sauroid in nature. Teeth indicative of the Draco. Eyes gave it away.

BTW, that buff sauroid is greer at one of his ufo call down lazer light shows somewhere in the hills.

Quote from: undo11 on August 04, 2012, 08:07:28 PM
you know my position on that subject: that there were upright, bipedal reptilian, sentient beings on the planet, prior to homo sapians and that they grew to be technologically advanced and went out, colonized other planets and moons.

My theory is that they weren't reptiles, they were dinosaurs.

Are 'Aliens' Dinosaurs & Survivers of an Earthly Cataclysm Returning Home? (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread665809/pg1)I'm not sure whether or not I have made a thread about it here.  Take a look if you're interested. ;)

Petrus4, this is one of Billy Meiers pleidian girlfriends from out there. But as luck would have it, she also was a dean martin dance girl. Or, perhaps a clone of one. The matrix likes to make duplicates when engaging the humans mind.

Quote from: Gigas on August 04, 2012, 08:50:29 PM
Petrus4, this is one of Billy Meiers pleidian girlfriends from out there. But as luck would have it, she also was a dean martin dance girl. Or, perhaps a clone of one. The matrix likes to make duplicates when engaging the humans mind.

Thanks, Gigas.  I think I've seen that photo before, at some point.  Like I said, that seems to match the Pleiadian pattern; smoking hot blonde or redheaded women.  At one point, after finding out about Billy Meier, I can remember wondering whether the species perhaps did not have male members at all. ;)  Although Meier actually mentions a couple of men.

Also, the idea of Dr Greer being a Reptilian is interesting.  I will say that there are things about his appearance, which have struck me before as being a little odd.  I don't necessarily think Greer is as much a fraud as some people, but I will say that he does seem to have a fairly serious fondness for money. ;)

Quote from: petrus4 on August 04, 2012, 09:04:19 PM
Thanks, Gigas.  I think I've seen that photo before, at some point.  Like I said, that seems to match the Pleiadian pattern; smoking hot blonde or redheaded women.  At one point, after finding out about Billy Meier, I can remember wondering whether the species perhaps did not have male members at all. ;)  Although Meier actually mentions a couple of men.

Also, the idea of Dr Greer being a Reptilian is interesting.  I will say that there are things about his appearance, which have struck me before as being a little odd.  I don't necessarily think Greer is as much a fraud as some people, but I will say that he does seem to have a fairly serious fondness for money. ;)

I have a story from greers own draco toothed mouth about how he was approached by some secret group who have control of all the worlds computers and they wanted to help him if he would let them. They told him to cash out his credit cards and get more and charge as much as he wanted to. Since they control the worlds computers, they could zero his balance at the end of each month.

Quote from: Gigas on August 04, 2012, 09:14:01 PM

I have a story from greers own draco toothed mouth about how he was approached by some secret group who have control of all the worlds computers and they wanted to help him if he would let them. They told him to cash out his credit cards and get more and charge as much as he wanted to. Since they control the worlds computers, they could zero his balance at the end of each month.

LOL yeah and he's a closet gay! massive massive bender. so obvious.
well i have just outed you greer! (hey each to there own i'm not bashing here)
well i am greer bashing lol.

I wonder if our system lord, Zorgon has heard this one since its from his side of town.

There's a story I have to look back up from a guy who is in real estate in Vegas. The guys got a high roller business with employees. He also is one of faith and religious as is the group in this story.

I don't know the date but recall it happened in Colorado I believe, see that, I believe. Anyway, this guy, his family and several other families from his office were camping in the hills of Colorado.

One of the people walked aways over to a cliff over looking a shallow valley and there he See's a group of hooded individuals down below in a circle standing there looking down.

He calls over the others who are now staring when suddenly from nowhere, a figure pops inside the circle. Whatever this thing was, it was bigger than the others circling it. It was communicating to the group when it looked up at the group of campers on the cliff.

The campers realized they better get out of there and turned to run but as they began to move away, the thing popped into reality and stood in there way. All were frozen in their tracks as this thing, which was described as a reptilian about 7 feet tall, stood there and looked at each one with authority.

It made it clear it was in control since no one could move and suddenly it dematerialized and the group could move again. The women screamed and kids cried as they ran from this horror.

This guy is in Vegas.

Zorgon, you know anything about this.

Quote from: stealthyaroura on August 04, 2012, 09:29:46 PM
LOL yeah and he's a closet gay! massive massive bender. so obvious.
well i have just outed you greer! (hey each to there own i'm not bashing here)
well i am greer bashing lol.

Reptilians are A sexual by nature. That is a trait I see in the reptilian story. They prefer males. Makes you wonder why our government officials like boys so much.

I see old larry craig the minneapolis airport bathroom shenanigans player now is trying to say his bathroom romp was politicle business. He's reptilian also.

The government is infested with these critters.

Pay attention to Lindsey Grahams eyes, see the slits. I got this off the tv last year when that guy rachel maddow was doing some video capture regarding obama. I was sitting there watching and when this video of graham came up, I fell out of my chair with WOW!, thats a reptilian. I alredy knew what he was but this was blatanly in my face.

I went online to msnbc and that guy rachel maddows clip and snipped screen shots of those tell tale eye giving it away.

gigas that sounds spooky, shades of skinwalker activity.
come to think of it Greer does look reptilian with his teeth an all.
strange.

The power gods of old.

Anubis, Bastet and horus. All shapeshifters.

Quote from: Pimander on August 04, 2012, 08:46:22 PM
My theory is that they weren't reptiles, they were dinosaurs.

Are 'Aliens' Dinosaurs & Survivers of an Earthly Cataclysm Returning Home? (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread665809/pg1)I'm not sure whether or not I have made a thread about it here.  Take a look if you're interested. ;)

Got any intelligent dinosaur dna?

Is an Australian billionaire about to launch the real-life Jurassic Park?

A controversial Australian billionaire is believed to be drawing up secret plans for a real life Jurassic Park.

Mining magnate Clive Palmer, who has already embarked on a project to rebuild the Titanic, is rumored to be announced the plans at a Brisbane press conference tomorrow.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2182751/Is-Australian-billionaire-launch-real-life-Jurassic-Park.html#ixzz22c8psdR2

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/jp4f98c94e.jpg)

Returning? 

Quote from: stealthyaroura on August 04, 2012, 10:03:37 PM
gigas that sounds spooky, shades of skinwalker activity.
come to think of it Greer does look reptilian with his teeth an all.
strange.

The project Camelot kids where after greer for an interview for some time and he always brushed them off. At the last minute from some greer conference greer gave them what they had been after.

Here's what they, Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy said about greer later just before project avalon was taken apart. He was reptilian

Edit: Avalon was/is Camelot

hmm, this thread has taken an extreme turn into accusing individual people.   not sure that's the way we should go with this information because it can easily degrade into a witch hunt.

Quote from: undo11 on August 04, 2012, 10:42:59 PM
hmm, this thread has taken an extreme turn into accusing individual people.   not sure that's the way we should go with this information because it can easily degrade into a witch hunt.

ok mighty one lets have a new reptilian greer thread then ;)
any takers? i for one would like to see one.Gigas can you man it?

Quote from: stealthyaroura on August 04, 2012, 10:46:27 PM
ok mighty one lets have a new reptilian greer thread then ;)
any takers? i for one would like to see one.Gigas can you man it?

mighty ones are nephilim.  far as i know, i'm just a human. :D

Quote from: undo11 on August 04, 2012, 10:49:46 PM
mighty ones are nephilim.  far as i know, i'm just a human. :D

erm HERO MEMBER/global mod (author/researcher/historian) not to much of a stretch Beth,

Witch Hunts are against the T&C   8)

Astro;

QuoteI myself at times wish I did not know what I believe that I now know...as I was freer in my mind before I was aware of what I believe may be going on.

Gold for that epic statement, my freind ;)

QuoteInitially after some study I believed it was Governments that were controlling most things...  Or maybe my a combination of lack of my own abilities , mental &  physical strength, not higher enough IQ ..etc to create my own destiny as I would like it... I suspect 95% or more of the population may feel like this at least some of the time.

Governments can't do anything, they are the epitomy of uselessness & incompetence, they only control what they are told to control, by the real controllers. I wouldn't rule out an ET connection at this stage, but i think most of our problems are ours alone, and we can solve them alone.

As for a lack of abilities to create your own destiny.....it's all between the ears, mate.

Read my signature, i was very nearly compost several times, but surviving made me feel ever more determined to not let it happen again, to take control of my life. It works, i'm very much in control, doing what i really want, & having a wonderful time with it all. OK i could be dead tomorrow, but what a ride!

QuoteI suspect 95% or more of the population may feel like this at least some of the time

That is probably intentional, think your way out of it......
As i mentioned in Linda's mind control threads, i think there are several factions trying for our attention.
One of them, a very subtle force, appears to give us 'nudges' now & then. The ultimate motive behind these nudges is unclear, but since it has been very useful to me (& others) i will 'go with the flow' for the time being....

Astro:

QuoteWhat I do know is that the older and wiser I become the more fearful I have become... and much of the fears do stop us really living our lives..

That's strange, because the exact opposite has happened to me. I don't really fear anything anymore, certainly not dying (been there, done that).
Please make the distinction between caution & fear. I am cautious when working with 400v 3-phase installations, because i once had it through my heart & it almost killed me. Yet i continue to work on these installations with caution every day.
Fear can stop you reaching your full potential, but caution will save you.

As for those Pleiadian chicks, send some round here, i've even got a new aftershave called 'nordic' ;) Hope they like it...

OK being serious now.
These views have been tossed back & forth for years. Personally i've never seen an alien (unless it was one of the aforementioned blondes, and most of them have an ego the size of a house and the IQ of a hedgehog) LOL

Those of you that may have been 'experimented upon' by ET's have my deepest sympathy, but would we be any different if we found a 'missing link' apeman? Or a new type of jellyfish?
The first thing we would want to do is perform all kinds of wierd & painful experiments on it, right?

Hell, i bet they are saying 'this is payback for Roswell' each time they do it  :o

Greer a shirt-lifter? Probably....Not that i'm anti-gay or anything, but i never did trust that guy....

Gigas, that's a freaky story, reptillians are said to be the ultimate control freaks ::)

Fascinating thread, love the replies, but you know my 2 cents already:
There is no external force tampering with my mind, at least (even the freindly 'nudges' are just that, i can choose to ignore them at will). There have been some wierd episodes, but nothing that has direcctly interfered with me.

I think that most ET's have a general non-interference policy, and if they are intent on taking the earth, they could do it anytime they want, but they don't, i take that as a good sign.
Those that are interfering; Watch out, we are becoming aware of you (like in that film 'they live')...

And i issue yet another flat-out challenge to those alien/demonic forces.
Come & get me, i'm waiting...

See y'all tomorrow :)

SO petrus4 Demonic or Angles eh.........er what about elf elv's fairy's men in black?
maybe there the same? shapeshifters i think is the answer.

The reptilian thing i just don't know. i have been on the fence SO LONG on this.
but when you have folk like Gigas with his insight and views it's uncomfortable.
could they exist also? i just do not have an answer.

The universe being what it is (crazy) they probably DO exist :o

But so do we, and we are becoming so very aware of that fact, about everything around us. We are also changing socially & mentally, very quickly.
I think we can deal with it, providing they don't just drop a 'Q' bomb on us or anything... ::)

Quote from: stealthyaroura on August 04, 2012, 10:46:27 PM
ok mighty one lets have a new reptilian greer thread then ;)
any takers? i for one would like to see one.Gigas can you man it?

No, my time is done here.....

Quote from: zorgon on August 04, 2012, 10:56:43 PM
Witch Hunts are against the T&C   8)

Why, do we have any real witches on the site to hunt? ???

:o

Sod Greer :o I would prefer we talked about known dangers.

We are so close to getting a 'bigger picture' here....

ETA: Witch hunts are when organised action is taken against a named person, be it a member of Pegasus or any other forum.
It's just 'bad form' and we don't do it.

However, as in the case of my challenge, it is directed at the alien/demon forces explicitly, and no individual person.
Hope that clarifies it...
OK so i take the P out of Greer, but i whish him no harm personally.
That's the way it is.

pwm

you said

Quotereptillians are said to be the ultimate control freaks ::)

my dog must be a reptilian then cause if he can't be in control of my husband constantly, he gets strung out.  he needs to know where hubby is at, what he's doing, who is with him, i mean he's like a virulently jealous woman.   if anyone tries to go in the same room, he freaks out.  he's so worried he'll lose control of the situation, he actually gets sick from it.

WTF!

This thread is still going?  :o

ET is DEMONISED by AFOSI special agents.  No ET is NOT demonic.

Am I the only independent researcher who knows what is going on? ???

Is your dog a Jack Russel, by any chance?
I have a wealth of experience with dogs, my mother always had at least 3 strays in the house :o

On a more serious note, i have met humans like this a few times, they have absolute control, they know it, and their gaze is fearful, makes you want to just crawl into a dark space....

Being a dragon, i will either meet their gaze, or ignore them (god, they hate that)
Hey, sorry i cussed, i will try to be more attentive to your views, Undo....

Quote from: Pimander on August 04, 2012, 11:36:19 PM
WTF!

This thread is still going?  :o

ET is DEMONISED by AFOSI special agents.  No ET is NOT demonic.

Am I the only independent researcher who knows what is going on? ???

No, IMO they are not, but there are humans who i could well describe as being demonic...

Quote from: Pimander on August 04, 2012, 11:36:19 PM
WTF!

This thread is still going?  :o

ET is DEMONISED by AFOSI special agents.  No ET is NOT demonic.

Am I the only independent researcher who knows what is going on? ???

i didn't say ets were demonic. i said demons were disembodied spirits that possess humans. not the same thing as an ET.   I will say, however, there's a good chance that some of them fit the "fallen angel" moniker.

QuoteAFOSI special agents.

i gotta ask hubby about this one, to see if he knows anything.
i was under the impression, per zorgon's research, that the ocean going guys are the ones in control of space.  and the af is in control of air space, which is not outer space.

Quote from: undo11 on August 04, 2012, 11:44:28 PM
i gotta ask hubby about this one, to see if he knows anything.
i was under the impression, per zorgon's research, that the ocean going guys are the ones in control of space.  and the af is in control of air space, which is not outer space.

What I mean is ETs were given a bad name by an AFOSI counter intelligence disinformation operation that had NOTHING to do with real ETs.  At least, I see no real evidence for the core story.

Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on August 04, 2012, 11:39:26 PM
Is your dog a Jack Russel, by any chance?
I have a wealth of experience with dogs, my mother always had at least 3 strays in the house :o

On a more serious note, i have met humans like this a few times, they have absolute control, they know it, and their gaze is fearful, makes you want to just crawl into a dark space....

Being a dragon, i will either meet their gaze, or ignore them (god, they hate that)
Hey, sorry i cussed, i will try to be more attentive to your views, Undo....

no not a jack russell but he is a terrier.   he's a westie.  shudder.  lol  we've had a lab, a lab chow mix, a collie, a shepherd husky mix and they were all great, but this little westie, he's like napoleon in a itty bitty dog's body.

Now i know this is going a little off topic here but is it just me or has any of you lot
had your mental abilities ramp up off the scale where precognition is happening to you
or synchronicites spelling? are at the point where coincidence is just not a word you believe
in any more?
Are you more psychic? cos i am really peaking at the moment.
it started to go mad about 2/3 years ago and im getting more clearer everyday.
just thought i would ask

Quote from: Gigas on August 04, 2012, 11:19:51 PM

No, my time is done here.....

I surely hope not.  I would miss You if You left Us.

PWMs...

In case I do not get around to a full reply...with so many interesting and varied distracting new threads that come up...Will try and do so if /when I can.

Thank you for your kind statement....

Its a bit of a rare event for me to write some sort of meaningful statement..

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Astro;
Quote

    I myself at times wish I did not know what I believe that I now know...as I was freer in my mind before I was aware of what I believe may be going on.


Gold for that epic statement, my freind

Amy...

I hope not too.... :o

I am not sure why he has decided to leave...
especially as he was just describing his encounter..

Seems strange...

Hope he returns shortly..

---------------------------------

Quote from: Amaterasu on August 05, 2012, 03:16:28 AM
I surely hope not.  I would miss You if You left Us.

Quote from: Gigas on August 04, 2012, 10:21:35 PM
Here's what they, Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy said about greer later just before project avalon was taken apart. He was reptilian

QuoteThat is of course rather painful for those involved. One should not as a rule reveal one's secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

• "Aus Churchills Lügenfabrik" ("Churchill's Lie Factory"), 12 January 1941, Die Zeit ohne Beispiel (Munich: Zentralverlag der NSDAP., 1941), pp. 364-369
• This and similar lines in Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf about what he claimed to be a strategem of Jewish lies using "the principle & which is quite true in itself & that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily," are often misquoted or paraphrased as: "The bigger the lie, the more it will be believed."

That was Joseph Goebbels unflattering description of the secrets of the Jewish and English.  Big tosser that he was, it is an interesting observation about the sort of BS that flies about. ;) 

He was their propaganda chief, Churchill was ours ::)

The english always have a particular mindset....

Quote from: astr0144 on August 06, 2012, 11:01:19 PM
Amy...

I hope not too.... :o

I am not sure why he has decided to leave...
especially as he was just describing his encounter..

Seems strange...

Hope he returns shortly..

Yes.  Me too...  But...  So far, it doesn't look like it.

I think Gigas meant he was done on this particular thread...I hope not the whole shooting match..how bout it gigas? Please stay.

As far as ET being demonicm we need to define demonic first, as like Undo said, even cute little doggies can be demonic!

Websters doenst do the word justice as we are searching for, so can someone here, preferably the OP define demonic in the context it was given?

Personally I think ET would be a bit lording over us, but not really demonic.
But, as above so below, as below so above...which means we could have a kind friendly group of Et's and of course a demonic group of them as well.

Keeps it balanced that way, eh?

Le

So, 7 pages and no definition of 'demonic'? 

I don't see that wild, orgy-type sex makes ET's demonic.  They are a wholly and unimaginably different culture, subject to rules we can barely comprehend.

In addition, sex in our world can be wrong because of STD's, unintended pregnancy and a linked sense of bonding/self-worth attached to it.  An advanced culture could get ahead of that stuff and then it's all good.

Quote from: Littleenki on August 14, 2012, 09:34:22 PM
As far as ET being demonicm we need to define demonic first, as like Undo said, even cute little doggies can be demonic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpKtvmAYhMQ

QuoteWebsters doenst do the word justice as we are searching for, so can someone here, preferably the OP define demonic in the context it was given?

Since Demons were brought to us by the Catholic Church why not ask THEM what it means?

::)

Demons
(Greek daimon and daimonion, Latin daemonium).

QuoteIn Scripture and in Catholic theology this word has come to mean much the same as devil and denotes one of the evil spirits or fallen angels. And in fact in some places in the New Testament where the Vulgate, in agreement with the Greek, has daemonium, our vernacular versions read devil. The precise distinction between the two terms in ecclesiastical usage may be seen in the phrase used in the decree of the Fourth Lateran Council: "Diabolus enim et alii daemones" (The devil and the other demons), i.e. all are demons, and the chief of the demons is called the devil. This distinction is observed in the Vulgate New Testament, where diabolus represents the Greek diabolos and in almost every instance refers to Satan himself, while his subordinate angels are described, in accordance with the Greek, as daemones or daemonia. This must not be taken, however, to indicate a difference of nature; for Satan is clearly included among the daemones in James 2:19 and in Luke 11:15-18.

But though the word demon is now practically restricted to this sinister sense, it was otherwise with the earlier usage of the Greek writers. The word, which is apparently derived from daio "to divide" or "apportion", originally meant a divine being; it was occasionally applied to the higher gods and goddesses, but was more generally used to denote spiritual beings of a lower order coming between gods and men. For the most part these were beneficent beings, and their office was somewhat analogous to that of the angels in Christian theology. Thus the adjective eydaimon "happy", properly meant one who was guided and guarded by a good demon. Some of these Greek demons, however, were evil and malignant. Hence we have the counterpart to eudamonia "happiness", in kakodaimonia which denoted misfortune, or in its more original meaning, being under the possession of an evil demon. In the Greek of the New Testament and in the language of the early Fathers, the word was already restricted to the sinister sense, which was natural enough, now that even the higher gods of the Greeks had come to be regarded as devils.

We have a curious instance of the confusion caused by the ambiguity and variations in the meaning of the word, in the case of the celebrated "Daemon" of Socrates. This has been understood in a bad sense by some Christian writers who have made it a matter of reproach that the great Greek philosopher was accompanied and prompted by a demon. But, as Cardinal Manning clearly shows in his paper on the subject, the word here has a very different meaning. He points to the fact that both Plato and Xenophon use the form daimonion, which Cicero rightly renders as divinum aliguid, "something divine". And after a close examination of the account of the matter given by Socrates himself in the reports transmitted by his disciples, he concludes that the promptings of the "Daemon" were the dictates of conscience, which is the voice of God.

It may be observed that a similar change and deterioration of meaning has taken place in the Iranian languages in the case of the word daeva. Etymologically this is identical with the Sanskrit deva, by which it is rendered in Neriosengh's version of the Avesta. But whereas the devas of Indian theology are good and beneficent gods, the daevas of the Avesta are hateful spirits of evil. (See also DEMONOLOGY.)

Catholic Encyclopedia _ New Advent (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04710a.htm)

So there ya go...even THEY can't make up their minds.

::)

Hope you dont mind OP but I will answer Mr Smarty Pants here  :P

I have stated again and again on here that Luci er (sorry letter PH wont work) and his band o angels were thrown out o Heaven by my beauti ul St Michael and his band.

And so it goes they walk the earth .or the rest o enternity until God decides what happens to them.  The .allen angels lusted a ter the women on earth, where you get the nephilim .rom.

And that is where you get the bad demons or daemons, that can take over a body and wreck havoc around; how bloody more plain do we have to get to let you know what demons are about.  Sheesh.  ::) :P

And dont pick on my missing letter in above post please; you have been told more times than I can think where demons came .rom.

Hope ully it will stick this time.  :P

Quote from: biggles on August 29, 2012, 05:44:21 AM
I have stated again and again on here that Lucifer and his band of angels were thrown out of Heaven by my beautiful St Michael and his band.

You can say it a thousand times.. its still only one opinion. The above post on description f demons is by the RCC who invented them :P

And if Lucifer and his pretties were indeed 'From the Heavans than they ARE TRUE ET... Extra Terrestrial, not of this Earth. Seems simple enough doesn't it?

Personally I don't think your supporting the right team :P It was the Bringer of Light that wants you to have free will, be happy and have Knowledge. The guy with the white beard wanted to withhold knowledge and wants you to blindly worship him and if ya don't bow down before him and grovel, hell's to pay or he throws a hissy fit and wipes out all life with a flood...

So the Greeks were right  the "Daemon" of Socrates was the Voice of God :D

Simple  8)

QuoteAnd so it goes they walk the earth for the rest of eternity until God decides what happens to them.  The Fallen angels lusted after the women on earth, where you get the nephilim from.

Well that is just a story... I don't happen to agree with it :P

But what is up with all these ET's lusting after our Earth Girls?  Heck even Jabba the Hut was drooling over Princess Leia

QuoteAnd that is where you get the bad demons or daemons, that can take over a body and wreck havoc around; how bloody more plain do we have to get to let you know what demons are about.  Sheesh.  ::) :P

Well the RCC that does exorcisms doesn't have the answer, so how can we?

::)

QuoteYou have been told more times than I can think where demons came from

I have been told one VERSION of where Demons come from. I don't believe in those type :D

QuoteHopefully it will stick this time.  :P

Sorry no...  it won't.  I could tell you where possession really comes from but that would take a week :P and you wouldn't believe me anyway ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ-0lPNIBC4

I watched this doco in its entirety.  It was St Michael that saved him, the boys was a very hard case and true story.

I think its that Rosicarian lessons that have given you the wrong story.

My gut says I'm right. :P

I have a statue o St Michael in my entrance hall; he has been there me many, many times and I think that vid above proves above all else that the phallen angels, daemons can be excorcised by The Great and Magistical St Michael.  And dont dare say a word about him neither Mr Z.

Biggles, St. Michael is awesome!

I have to disagree with Zorgon, the RCC didn't make up demons, they're definitely real; remember, Christ banished them into a herd of pigs that subsequently ran into a river and drown. The fallen were real, they had free will, chose to oppose and challenge God and were banished to earth before man was created. This separation from God (love) made them wicked, twisted and grotesque! They influence the human race every chance they get via spiritual warfare; Hitler is just one prime example of this! Possession is real, but I think it's rare, (but I don't know)! I think some mistake mental illness for possession. Demon oppression is common, from the most subtle to extreme cases. As for following the Light Bearer, no thanks! Perhaps some of the wisdom taught from that side of the Yin Yang as long as the balance is stable, not too far either way; we have enough fanatics!

This is what I believe; but, as Matrix Traveler pointed out, belief does not make it truth!

Quote from: Primus58 on August 29, 2012, 08:02:50 AM
I have to disagree with Zorgon,

No you don't HAVE to but its okay if you do :D

QuotePossession is real, but I think it's rare, (but I don't know)!

I never said Possession wasn't real and yes TRUE Possession is rare (a good thing)

I just disagree with the source of that Possession.  8)

QuoteI think some mistake mental illness for possession. Demon oppression is common, from the most subtle to extreme cases.

True there are many mistaken diagnosis. It really depends on who is doing the diagnosis...

QuoteAs for following the Light Bearer, no thanks! Perhaps some of the wisdom taught from that side of the Yin Yang as long as the balance is stable, not too far either way; we have enough fanatics!

But you only have ONE side of the story... and its but him in a bad light. If the SOURCE of that story is wrong, then he got a bad rap. kinda like the victor writes the history books.

The way I see it there were two powerful Alien races fighting over the Planet. The side that won YOU call God and his Angels...  In all my studies over 35 years what I see is that the wrong side won.

QuoteThis is what I believe; but, as Matrix Traveler pointed out, belief does not make it truth!

And nothing I can say or show is likely to convince you otherwise.... nor do I intend to try.

But if I am right, and I strongly believe I am, then a whole lot of people are going to have a very rude awakening.

The fact that most f you are here on a conspiracy/alien/UFO site tells me that at least subconsciously... you suspect I may be right :D

Exactly right Primus58, RCC did not make up daemons and those that think they are just stories and dont believe, well that's your choice.

What can I say about The Great St Michael, I love him, love him, love him.

He is the Leader oph Heavenly Angels Army, God's Army and yet with all the requests that he gets, millions, probably billions o them, he is still there phor little old me.................what can I say to that, what, the sinner oph sinners me, he is there.

I love him dearly and pray to him that he is always there phor me.

Sorry that letter right across rom D on keyboard wont work.

Again I say to think demons are just phairy stories, I would be very care ull i I were you Zorgon.   Just not believing in them opens you up to that.

Quote from: zorgon on August 29, 2012, 08:27:55 AM
No you don't HAVE to but its okay if you do :D

I never said Possession wasn't real and yes TRUE Possession is rare (a good thing)

I just disagree with the source of that Possession.  8)

True there are many mistaken diagnosis. It really depends on who is doing the diagnosis...

But you only have ONE side of the story... and its but him in a bad light. If the SOURCE of that story is wrong, then he got a bad rap. kinda like the victor writes the history books.

The way I see it there were two powerful Alien races fighting over the Planet. The side that won YOU call God and his Angels...  In all my studies over 35 years what I see is that the wrong side won.

And nothing I can say or show is likely to convince you otherwise.... nor do I intend to try.

But if I am right, and I strongly believe I am, then a whole lot of people are going to have a very rude awakening.

The fact that most f you are here on a conspiracy/alien/UFO site tells me that at least subconsciously... you suspect I may be right :D

You just dont bloody get do you Zorgon.  I am awake and aware to the point that I know there are probably billions oph planets that are occupied with liphe phorms (sorry no p, letter that comes prior to oot as in bottom o leg)

Now Yes, there is a bloody war going on up there, I have said bephore the reason they intervene on some things and not on others is because oph a yes or no phrom the Creator because we are a karmic planet with phree will.

That has nothing to do with the phall................no matter what you say.  ::)

Quote from: zorgon on August 29, 2012, 08:27:55 AM
The way I see it there were two powerful Alien races fighting over the Planet. The side that won YOU call God and his Angels...  In all my studies over 35 years what I see is that the wrong side won.

Despite the threat of BURNING IN HELL ;), I am willing to examine your belief with an open mind and a bucket of Extra Holy Water! 8)

Watch, we are all wrong, we're in a  Gary Larsen cartoon, and some kid is holding us captive in a used pickle jar!

Quote from: biggles on August 29, 2012, 08:35:03 AM
I have said bephore the reason they intervene on some things and not on others is because oph a yes or no phrom the Creator because we are a karmic planet with phree will.

Dear Biggles, Wheel of Fortune is coming to a town near you; Would you like to buy an "F"?

Quote from: biggles on August 29, 2012, 07:28:36 AM
I watched this doco in its entirety.  It was St Michael that saved him, the boys was a very hard case and true story.

Well I have no desire to shake your faith in St Michael  but seriously a Youtube presentation by SaintBirgitta? Oh yeah no way that could be faked for an agenda huh?

1 John 4:1 (New King James Version)

Test the Spirits

4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Here are a couple other YT vids about that person

Antichrist Cult Exposed: The Truth about Saintbirgitta  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLm_aDG4i5w)

Exposing the heresy of St.Birgitta  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOWtVWySPv8)

Warning! Dangerous & False teachings of Saint Birgitta!  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xklcskk-6ME)

QuoteI think its that Rosicarian lessons that have given you the wrong story.

My beliefs in this matter were my own long before i joined the Rosicrucians. They are not a Religious organization and tolerate ALL beliefs

As for possession... you CANNOT be possessed unless you let them in by your own free will. Once they are 'in' there are many methods to reach the original occupant and pull them out. If a strong belief in St Michael works, then so be it

I would however strongly advice any people thinking of toying with a Ouija Board or clear crystal ball to NOT do so.. because the entity you invite in is very hard to get rid of... and n, they are not 'demons' in the sense most people think of the term :D

I would laugh only the bottom line is its just too serious.

I too have studied comparative religion and philosophies oph all kinds and came to the conclusion that there is yin and yang in the multi universe, etc, etc but there is also the war that went down in Heaven, the phall out phrom that and daemons are real, there is total phact about them when you search phor it.

I can see all your bravado go in an instant iph one oph your own was really possessed and Your oph the Star or whatever wasnt helping none.

You'd soon be looking everywhere phor a bone phida excorcist; one that calls on the power oph St Michael and invoking his excorcism passages.

Now you have gone too phar Zorgon.  That documentary was on television way be ore that youtube picked it up, its a true story, dont believe then.

Primus58 my cat jumps up on my laptop and he managed to scrape out the Ph letter.

I will phix it maybe  :-[  Love to you. xxoo

I am logging oph now, but I am sure Zorgon will have the last say like he always does because its his darn phorum. Pooh to you. ::) :P

Dont let him shake your phaith or put stupid ideas into your head sweetie.

Quote from: biggles on August 29, 2012, 08:52:48 AM
I would laugh only the bottom line is its just too serious.

Laugh is good :P  Keeps it sane :D

The last line was for wanna be experimenters... they know not what they do :D


As to banishing bad ghouls, spirits and things that go bump in the night, you can ask any of my friends... they cannot be around when I am there... my presence in the room banishes them.  And no I am far from being an Angel :P

I neither expect you to believe that I can do this... nor care to try to prove it, but trust me I have no fear about encounters such as you speak of.

Banishing "daemons" is as simple as a powerful thought command "BE GONE"... simple as that.  If you need a belief in an Angel or a god to help you form that thought, so be it... it does no harm.

I however have no such need ;)

Quote from: zorgon on August 29, 2012, 08:50:22 AM
Well I have no desire to shake your faith in St Michael  but seriously a Youtube presentation by SaintBirgitta? Oh yeah no way that could be faked for an agenda huh?

I believe in brother Michael.  Whether anyone else does or not, is their own business.

Now if Jesus was an Alien... or the Son of an Alien... and he left Earth in about 33 AD...

...bearing in mind Einsteins limitations... if he had a ship that traveled near the speed up light, he could have flown home to a planet even 800 light years away... spend a few months and return to earth...

He would only be a few months older...

...but here on Earth.... 2000 years will have gone by...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmZg7tvGN9o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T06IOOJWzbQ

And its not photoshopped, dont even start with that.  ::)

Quote from: Primus58 on August 29, 2012, 08:02:50 AM
As for following the Light Bearer, no thanks!

Fair enough, you stick to your so called light of the world.  The Bible.  Get thumping your books.  ::)


The Bible was the real persecutor. The Bible burned heretics, built dungeons, founded the Inquisition, and trampled upon all the liberties of men.

How long, O how long will mankind worship a book? How long will they grovel in the dust before the ignorant legends of the barbaric past? How long, O how long will they pursue phantoms in a darkness deeper than death?
SOURCE: Robert Green Ingersoll. Heretics And Hericies (1874) (http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/heretics_and_hericies.html)


138 years later?  Still you worship a politically manipulated, mistranslated tool of the oppressor.  Shame on you.

How long, O how long?

Can anyone consider that Christianity might have been created as a stepping stone to enlightenment?  Just as Judaism before it? To get us away from barbarity?

I feel a certain horror at viewing this ceaseless, 'well, my sketchy stories are better than your sketchy stories'.   

There needs to be a secure starting point in this: the Universe is Big,  if conscious life exists here, it likely exists elsewhere and there's evidence that it's been visting us discreetly and apparently isn't interested in an invasion. 

I cringe when I think about how the Muslims will react to full disclosure.  Some Christians, too.  Jews? Eh, not so much.......

Quote from: Eighthman on August 29, 2012, 02:19:49 PM
Can anyone consider that Christianity might have been created as a stepping stone to enlightenment?  Just as Judaism before it? To get us away from barbarity?

The spiritual tradition at Qumran may have been.  So might Catharism.  However, Christianity in its modern manifestation of worship of the sacrificed God King originated in Egypt but was perverted as a means to control a failing Roman Empire.

Quote from: Eighthman on August 29, 2012, 02:19:49 PMI feel a certain horror at viewing this ceaseless, 'well, my sketchy stories are better than your sketchy stories'.   

There was no sketchy story in my response.  The Bible is a tool of the oppressor.  It has been used to force humans into a state of unthinking submission in order to control them.

Quote from: Eighthman on August 29, 2012, 02:19:49 PMThere needs to be a secure starting point in this: the Universe is Big,  if conscious life exists here, it likely exists elsewhere and there's evidence that it's been visiting us discreetly and apparently isn't interested in an invasion. 

I agree.

Quote from: Eighthman on August 29, 2012, 02:19:49 PM
I cringe when I think about how the Muslims will react to full disclosure.  Some Christians, too.  Jews? Eh, not so much.......

I only care if their reaction leads to suffering.  If they think for themselves instead of basing their beliefs on second hand spiritual information (at best) derived from a book we would have little to fear in my opinion.

Why does anyone have to react to disclosure.  I wont, I will celebrate it because I know their out there, but that doesn't stop me believing in Christ, God, St Michael and the angels.

Talk about a starting point, well where did the ET races all start out.  Something had to create everything in the initial phase.

The scriptures have been screwed up since the Pope Constantine and probably prior to that.

All the inhabited planets and species did not come to being outa thin air.

They were created by the I AM.  No contradiction to me with disclosure.

We are the I AM, sparks ov the One God and just decided to experience, that's why we're here, warts and all.

Quote from: zorgon on August 29, 2012, 10:17:14 AM
Now if Jesus was an Alien... or the Son of an Alien... and he left Earth in about 33 AD...

...bearing in mind Einsteins limitations... if he had a ship that traveled near the speed up light, he could have flown home to a planet even 800 light years away... spend a few months and return to earth...

He would only be a few months older...

...but here on Earth.... 2000 years will have gone by...

Great thread, had to jump in and say this Zorgon after your post here...

Yep, if Jesus had left Earth as the bible says he did, at the speed of light...he wouldnt even be out of the Milky way galaxy yet....not even close...so those who believe in the bible and the Christian or catholic GOD, must realize either heaven is within our galaxy and not farther away, or Jesus aint coming back for a long long time.

The only way it couldve been pulled off is if Jesus wasnt a man or flesh being at all, and has always just been a metaphor for our Sun, or his Jesus craft could travel superluminally.

Seeing how Jesus the Sun of GOD is always in our mind, theres no reason for "him" to travel anywhere, or come back from anywhere either.

"He's" just there now, always has been. :)

Hey religion, the answers in your head! :o

So, is ET inherently demonic?

If they were, wed be toast by now.

Cheers!
Le