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Louisiana sink hole size INCREASES! Are we about to witness an explosion? (http://cybertribenetwork.blogspot.com/)
UPDATES FOR TODAY:
- Sinkole size increases to 475 x 640 feet..
Initial size was 200x200, then grew to 372 feet by the 11th.
Added 20 feet in all directions on 13th.
Grew again 14th and 15th.
Measured on 15th at 475 x 640.
- Propane ALSO has been confirmed in the vicinity.
- Crosstex has two underground storage caverns for butane and propane in the vicinity of the sinkhole with a combined capacity of more than 3.1 million barrels, according to financial filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.
- Residents are still reporting tremors
Worrisome, Thor, indeed, and what else can La endure?
Heres the examiner story with links to the Assumption Parish blogs and news channels.
http://www.examiner.com/article/louisiana-sinkhole-locals-jittery-over-ordered-drilling
Hope my waterfront property doesnt get farther away when it swallows the gulf of Mexico.
I do think that this may have something to do with the spill a few years back and its now coming to a head, but hey, what do I know?
Cheers
Le
wow that is scary... in this news blurp the other scary is they had residents list next of kin
whoa
http://www.examiner.com/article/louisiana-sinkhole-locals-jittery-over-ordered-drilling
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Salt Dome used to store oil and gas-related materials
Credits: Assumption Parish Police Jury
Bubbling bayou locals want notification before drilling begins
Some of the more than 300 people in Assumption Parish under a mandatory evacuation order have expressed concern to officials about the drilling of a relief well that the Department of Natural Resources ordered Texas Brine to begin in the area, 1500 feet from a butane-filled well with continued seismic signals recorded, to ease pressure underground.
As scientists try to learn what caused a massive sinkhole in Louisiana's swamp community, Bayou Corne, the company with an abandoned salt mine near the site is about to start drilling a relief well to ease pressure underground and locals want to be notified when that drilling is to commence in the area where seismic signals are being recorded and only 1500 feet from a butane filled well.
"Also, we've received some phone calls from residents about being notified prior to the drilling starting," officials said in a written statement Tuesday on their Word Press blog they have been maintain to keep the public abreast of the disaster news.
"Please know that residents in the immediate area will be notified via phone call, text message, email, blog post, press release and news media in advance of any drilling," the officials state. "More details of what you can expect as drilling commences will be available to you this week."
"By August 3, the swamp started to swallow itself," WWL TV out of nearby New Orleans reported
Tuesday about the sinkhole.
Mark Cartwright, president of United Brine Services, a subsidiary of Texas Brine Co., said last week that they never thought their salt cavern, plugged and abandoned in 2011 and not used to store natural gas, would be behind the gas bubbles and tremors.
According to a recent interview with seismologist Dr. Stephen Horton, Cartwright might be right.
Horton says that seismic readings from the U.S. Geological Survey team at Memphis University have shown there are still seismic signals at the western edge of the dome, where the Texas Brine salt cavern lies, according to an Examiner interview with him Monday.
The gas bubbles in Bayou Corne and Grand Bayou, however, have been percolating for years and became more prolific after the sinkhole slurry area imploded. One area of bubbling over pipelines belonging to other companies also became more prolific after probed, according to local Dennis Landry on Tuesday.
On Aug. 9, parish Office of Homeland Security officials went door to door to have locals who did not evacuate complete forms, including providing next of kin contact details.
To assist in providing information to the public, the Assumption Parish Police Jury issued a statement Tuesday to provide the following Office of Homeland Security portals that provide additional information about the declared State of Emergency:
Assumption Parish Blog: http://assumptionla.wordpress.com/
Assumption Parish Police Jury Site: http://assumptionla.com/bayoucorne
Assumption Parish Photo Site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/assumptionoep/
Assumption Parish YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/assumptionla
Assumption OEP Site: http://www.assumptionoep.com/
Louisiana DEQ: http://www.deq.louisiana.gov/portal/
Louisiana DNR: http://dnr.louisiana.gov/
Louisiana GOHSEP: http://www.gohsep.la.gov/
Yep, thats the link...:D
Le
Hopefully it is not the start of this!
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Bayou Corne is approx. 200 miles from my house and 30 miles from Bayou Choctaw, one of the sites for the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
QuoteCrosstex has two underground storage caverns for butane and propane in the vicinity of the sinkhole with a combined capacity of more than 3.1 million barrels, according to financial filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.
Thor, or anyone, do you happen to know how long this much gas would be good for if and when used. Is it a days usage or a year, that type of thing. It sounds like a lot but maybe not. If that blows, it will be seen from space for sure! If I lived in the area I thinl it would be time for a vacation.
Deuem
Quote from: sky otter on August 15, 2012, 09:37:47 PM
wow that is scary... in this news blurp the other scary is they had residents list next of kin
whoa
Ah yes Louisiana and Sink Holes...
Those darn salt domes collect oil and gas.... but sometimes things go wrong... you need to see this to believe it :o
VERY WRONG
Lake Peigneur sinkhole disaster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddlrGkeOzsI
Quote from: zorgon on August 16, 2012, 09:24:54 AM
Ah yes Louisiana and Sink Holes...
Those darn salt domes collect oil and gas.... but sometimes things go wrong... you need to see this to believe it :o
VERY WRONG
Lake Peigneur sinkhole disaster
I remember seeing this before and just being completely shocked at the absolute devastation this caused. It just kept getting worst that one man says "I thought it was The End of The World!!!"
The man says he will not return to go fishing. An interesting note the lakes fishing has Salt Water fish and Fresh Water fish which you never see.
When it comes to drilling for oil I have read that the state of Louisiana and the gulf have more oil then the whole middle east !!! This is probably true!! When the middle east runs out of oil then what ?? Great post by the way I think I had seen that video on "Worlds Worst Disasters" or something like that. 8)
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 15, 2012, 11:55:03 PM
Bayou Corne is approx. 200 miles from my house and 30 miles from Bayou Choctaw, one of the sites for the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
Greetings:
One best hope that those 'holding tank caverns' are not connected... :(
Watch your six, Sarge.
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Thanks, i work for the Spr so we know when crap happens! ::)
Quote from: thorfourwinds on August 16, 2012, 01:14:24 PM
Greetings:
One best hope that those 'holding tank caverns' are not connected... :(
Watch your six, Sarge.
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Man, it seems like Louisiana is always getting the brunt of oil in one form or another, eh?
Best to you Sarge, as Thor says watch your downriggers, mate!
Dave
Yeah Louisiana does seem to get its share. Now we have salt water backing up the Mississippi river past the fresh water intake pumps. Bottle water is the name of the game for the lower end of Plaquemines Parish!
im glad you know how to spell that parish.i was down there the year before katrina.beefing up towers.next door to the two story telephone company.we ate regularly at a restaurant that the female owner was running for sheriff.it was the first time i had seen those vietamese people with the witch hats.mong maybe? did anything survive down there?the major networks wouldnt say a thing.i always thought it strange those towers being beefed up a year before katrina.i still think haarp did it.
Robo, your sense is telling you the truth..katrina was steered.cut and dry!
Le
Quote from: robomont on August 16, 2012, 06:04:33 PM
im glad you know how to spell that parish.i was down there the year before katrina.beefing up towers.next door to the two story telephone company.we ate regularly at a restaurant that the female owner was running for sheriff.it was the first time i had seen those vietamese people with the witch hats.mong maybe? did anything survive down there?the major networks wouldnt say a thing.i always thought it strange those towers being beefed up a year before katrina.i still think haarp did it.
You're probably talking about the lower end of the parish. Everything from Port Sulfur south was completely destroyed. Storm surge was measured about 32'. I live up in Belle Chasse, north end of the parish. Three of my four sons and I rode out the storm at my home because my wife works at the local hospital and was on Hurricane duty and couldn't evacuate. And I wasn't leaving my wife alone. The eye of Katrina missed my house by about 2 miles to the east of us. Man it was pretty hairy that night and morning but we made it ok. The real problem was after the storm. Police pretty much succumbed to paranoia and pressure. I had four cop cars pull up into my front yard on Wednesday and guns pulled on my sons being accused of looting! Of course it was BS cause they wanted my generator and my window air conditioner. I was later told that they were 'commandeering' supplies. We just called it stealing. So after the hospital closed and all the patients evacuated, my wife and my sons and I left the parish and went to a golf countryclub in north west Louisiana and spent a week enjoying ourselves...sorry for being so long winded on the subject but I was pretty pissed about everyting after that....anyway.... ::)
steared? naw don't think so, mother nature has been doing that for thousands of years. don't need any help from us....
Peace
Rock
8)
thankyou for the update.im sorry for your trouble.
the year of katrina,there were droughts in the midwest along the mississippi and sabine.katrina came ashore on the river.then rita tracked the sabine.thats because the rivers are low and slow.like this year.the only time the rio flowed in sometime,a hurricane tracked it.the coastal rains work as a buffer to keep them back.my theory.so far it holds.haarp could be creating the drought by creating a high pressure system.the gov said they would have total control of the weather by 2025.they usually dont admit to stealth craft for twenty years.so that could mean that they have had control since 2005.my theory.
explosion seems very unlikely, but Olympic Flame might be as well.
More fun in the neighborhood...this is a mile from my house...
http://www.wwltv.com/news/Chemical-release-fire-in-Belle-Chasse--166568096.html
update: http://www.examiner.com/article/sinkhole-isaac-s-cone-of-uncertainty-63-miles-from-gulf
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August 10 2012QuoteAug. 16, 2012
A 400-foot deep sinkhole in Louisiana is expanding and today swallowed the boat of two cleanup workers who had to be rescued from the hole. Officials are still fearful of the possibility of explosions from nearby gas-filled caverns.
"It has expanded 50 feet and during that expansion there were workers that were working on the cleanup of the diesel," Kim Torres, spokeswoman for the Office of Emergency Preparedness, told ABCNews.com today.
The two workers were in a boat tied to a tree when the area where the tree grew fell into the sinkhole.
The workers were rescued by airboat. They were uninjured but their boat disappeared into the sinkhole. The cleanup process has been halted.
ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/louisiana-sinkhole-engulfs-boat-workers-rescued/story?id=17021557)(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TzMajsqhq38/UCf-BjhtjbI/AAAAAAAACtc/C-bsV0_P8Yw/s400/Salt%2525252520Dome%2525252520Cavern.jpg)
"We Have No Clue..."
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Bill Feig/ASSOCIATED PRESS
Texas Brine Co. said a sinkhole near Pierre Part, La., illuminated with diesel sheen Tuesday, might be related to structural problems within a cavern it owns under the sinkhole.
Media, Officials Still Playing Dumb As Louisiana Sinkhole Expands (http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/08/18/media-officials-playing-dumb-la-sinkole-expands-swallows-boat-tree-170011/)
Public officials claim the "mystery in the swamp" continues to grow more "mysterious" as more and more revelations surface that government has known all along what is behind the slow motion train-wreck.
At this point the sinkhole continues to expand as tremors in the area continue and residents have been evacuated not on fears of just this sinkhole will collapse but also over 50 nearby caverns which are being used to store all kinds of hazardous waste and dangerous substances from radioactive materials to butane and natural gas.
Publicly the officials still claim "We Have No Clue" even though official documents reveal the government has know about the problem since at least 2011 and have just chosen to keep quiet.
This is the reassuring comment from authorities.
"It's not going to get fixed tomorrow,"
Kim Torres, spokeswoman for the Office of Emergency Preparedness, told ABCNews.com today.
"We urge the residents
to leave to protect themselves.
We have no idea how far this sinkhole
will expand or in what direction.
We have no clue."
The video shows more of what ABC and the media are telling to the public – There are earthquakes and tremors and drilling operations and caverns being used to store toxic and radiological chemicals and even a pipeline but we are still don't know what is going on months into the crisis...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjDmlfOhipY
Dangerous Levels of Radium at Corne Bayou Sinkhole (http://www.opednews.com/articles/Dangerous-Levels-of-Radium-by-Meryl-Ann-Butler-120826-116.html)
By Meryl Ann Butler
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Bayou Corne Sinkhole Aug 21, 2012 by Assumption Parish OHSEP
Background: For many weeks, Louisiana's Corne and Grand Bayou residents noticed strange bubblings in the bayou, and they reported smelling burnt diesel fuel and sulfur.
Then suddenly a sinkhole the size of three football fields appeared on Aug. 3, swallowing scores of 100-foot tall cypress trees. The sinkhole is believed to have resulted from the failure of an abandoned underground brine cavern.
The Department of Natural Resources issued a Declaration of Emergency on Aug. 6, and 150 families were evacuated. For maps and additional information, see article "Does Sudden Sinkhole Portend a Nuclear-sized Explosion?" (http://www.opednews.com/articles/Does-Sudden-Sinkhole-Porte-by-Meryl-Ann-Butler-120817-680.html)
Stuart Smith, one of the nation's leading environmental attorneys, says that Stanley Waligora, a New Mexico-based radiation protection consultant and leading authority on health risks of Naturally Occurring Radioactive Material (NORM) has confirmed that radium levels at Bayou Corne's sinkhole are NOT within safe limits.
He says the levels are roughly 15 times higher than the state's acceptable level.
Smith explained that NORM is a frequent byproduct of the oil and gas drilling process,
creating wastes that industry has often then dumped improperly.
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LA Dept. of Environmental Quality Mobile Air Monitoring Lab by
Louisiana Department of Environmental QualityOn Aug, 21, Louisiana Environmental Action Network (LEAN) noted that the Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality (LA DEQ) had been monitoring the air in the areas around the sinkhole, detecting known-carcinogen benzene, as well as toluene, ethylbenzene, and other volatile organic compounds as well as components of natural gas.
LEAN also notes that the water in the Bayou Corne sink hole is contaminated with salt water, diesel, chemicals associated with the diesel contaminants such as volatile organic chemicals, ethyl benzene, toluene, xylene and a large number of polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons such as naphthalene, anthracene, and pyrene.
On August 15, LA DEQ released the results of their testing. Their report, which has been criticized for being poorly written and confusing, seems to indicate that the naturally occurring radioactive materials are occuring at concentrations below acceptable level, in contrast to Waligora's statement.
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Sinkhole site, Aug 6, 2012 by Assumption Parish Police Jury, used with permission
LEAN states that the health impacts associated with the chemicals detected in the air in the residential area consist of known and possible cancer causing agents, respiratory irritants, and skin, eye, nose, throat, and lung irritants. They note that these chemicals can cause headaches, nausea, vomiting, difficulty breathing, dizziness, lightheadedness, weakness, muscle aches and pains, joint pain, abdominal pain and stress.
Even if the concentrations of the chemicals contaminating the air in the residential area were below acceptable standards, LEAN notes that "the cumulative impacts, of the large number of toxic chemicals detected in the air in the residential area, are worthy of tracking potential health impacts and continued air monitoring." LEAN has developed an "Odor and Symptoms" log, to be filled out by residents each time they experience an odor or symptom.
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Texas Brine rig prepares to drill a "relief well," Aug. 18 by Assumption Parish Police Jury, used with permission
Texas Brine, owner of the abandoned cavern, was ordered to conduct exploratory activities and bore an investigatory well (called a "relief well") down to the ceiling of the cavern, about 3,400 feet underground.
The purpose of the well is to access the interior of the abandoned cavern so that monitoring equipment can be lowered into the cavern to identify cavern stability, internal pressure and contents. On Aug. 23, Texas Brine noted that the drilling operation is on schedule. Public records show that the daily cost is over $67,000; and the cumulative cost through August 23 was $717,388.
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Bubble site in the bayou by Assumption Parish Police Jury, used with permission
The Assumption Parish Office of Emergency Preparedness (EOP) issued a statement that a new bubble site was discovered on Aug 20 between sites #3 and #4 in Grand Bayou. The bubbling is small and EOP says they will be monitored daily as the others have been. Residents first reported bubble sites several months ago.
At the public meeting in Pierre Part on Aug. 24, Chris Knotts, the Dept. of Natural Resources' (DNR) civil engineer who is coordinating the science group studying the sinkhole, told the crowd "If it's as simple as a casing, yes (it can be fixed)," but
"If it's a cavern fracture, failure, whatever, there's little that you can do."
Smith said,
"In Bayou Corne, we are witnessing
our worst nightmares coming true."
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And what do we have here?
Bayou Sinkhole: Radioactive dome issues covered up over a year (http://www.examiner.com/article/bayou-sinkhole-radioactive-dome-issues-covered-up-over-a-year)
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• August 9, 2012
• BY: Deborah Dupre
New evidence shows Bayou Corne oil and gas sinkhole disaster cover up, human right to security violated.As officials were telling Louisiana bayou people pleading answers to not worry and little more, Louisiana Department of Natural Resources and Texas Brine Co. officials have known for over a year that the company's salt dome cavern had radioactive materials pumped into it and
might have problems, according to government regulatory files uncovered Wednesday. The salt dome is now suspected of causing the expanding 160,000 square feet sinkhole and natural gas venting in Bayou Corne and Grand Bayou area swamps.
For over two months, as gas bubbles and tremors rattled Bayou Corne and Grand Bayou swampland and residents' human rights, DNR and other officials asking for patience knew they had given permission to have radioactive materials pumped into the salt dome, and they had been testing oil and gas wells and other salt caverns due to problems, according to the Advocate's David J. Mitchell of River Parishes bureau Thursday morning.
Article 3 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states, "Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person." Hiding information related to human security involving government approved industry environmental modifications (ENMOD) can gravely violate Human Rights Article 3.
Voluntary Principles on Security and Human Rights were issued more than a decade ago. That prompted a collaborative project involving the International Council on Mining and Metals (ICMM), the International Finance Corporation (IFC), the oil and gas industry association IPIECA and the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) to ensure rights are upheld.
"The problems with the salt cavern were not disclosed to the public and some parish officials involved with the response effort," reports Mitchell, evidencing DNR records, interviews, public statements and public meetings established that:
"• The possibly failed salt cavern may be closer to the outer wall of the Napoleonville Dome than Texas Brine officials believed.
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Arcadian Gas Pipeline System's owner, Enterprise Product Partners shut two 20-inch gas pipelines near the bubbling sinkhole area and reroute its gas, according to a spokesman.
Crosstex Energy shut part of its 36-inch natural gas pipeline near the sinkhole, removing approximately 150 million cubic feet a day of supply offline.
"Chevron has three natural gas salt dome storage caverns in the area with a total capacity to hold 12.7 billion cubic feet of gas, according to the company website.
The storage sites connect with Acadian Gas Pipeline Company, Gulf South Pipeline Company, and Florida Gas Transmission. Maximum withdrawal was listed as 1.1 bcf per day.
"Chevron Corp's subsidiary Bridgeline Holdings declared force majeure on new injections into its salt dome storage facility near Napoleonville, through the rest of the year, according to a company filing late Tuesday," Reuters reported.
Bayou Corne and Grand Bayou areas are on one of the Napoleonville Dome's flanks, a 5-by-1.6 km (3-by-1-mile) salt dome containing 51 caverns for producing brine and storing hydrocarbon.
"Chevron Pipeline Co (CPL) has elected to take the step of drawing down the NS1 cavern as a precaution to ensure that we are doing everything possible to protect public safety and the environment," said Gareth Johnstone, a Chevron spokesman.
According to Johnstone, there is no indication that gas is leaking from the Chevron facility, no evidence that the integrity of that cavern was at risk and the company "would not disclose daily specific volumes," according to Reuters.
• DNR defended the timing of its disclosures about the history surrounding the salt cavern as matching the emerging facts of the incidents in Bayou Corne.
• Sonny Cranch, Texas Brine spokesman, said company officials have been as surprised as anyone about a possible collapse of their salt cavern.
• DNR officials allowed Texas Brine to deposit naturally-occurring radioactive material arising from drilling into two company salt caverns, including the one that may have breached in the Bayou Corne area.
"As of Wednesday, state environmental officials had not tested the sinkhole for radioactivity."
WTF?Now, here is an interesting comment from an interesting person.
We have invited Fred to PRC for a chat.
QuoteFred Immendorfer - Vice President at Tesla Science Foundation (http://teslascience.net/)
This situation is confusing to me, but it sounds like fracking is one of the causes--and if that's the case, fracking needs to be stopped period and
if the oil companies pumped radioactive waste into the ground then people need to be locked up and companies assets need to be taken away and the govenment - which gave the green light - needs to answer to the people.
Deborah, I've been following your work for years, you're awesome.
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holy freakin' toledo!
get those people out of there, pronto
evacuate.
ohmygosh
And here come Isaac!
Good grief....why?
Le
well if you read it carefully, it says the radioactive material is not stuff we (we, referring to national nuclear energy plants) artificially created being dumped in the ground. it's naturally occuring radioactive material that came up with the stuff the oil company was drilling for. so they put it back in the ground, in one big cavern or something.
but the problem there is, even if it's naturally occuring and not possible to ignite it in a nuclear explosion type of event, it could still be precipitated up into the atmosphere via an adjacent explosion and spread across a swath the size of prevailing winds of the jet stream.
also there's the issue of that much radioactive material, naturally occuring or not, in the same general area.
i'm really not sure what to make of this other than those people need to get away from there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcbLvO0-huQ
video description
~~ Please .. Get this out to the people of Louisiana ~~ The explosive power of 1.5 Million barrels of liquid butane is = approx 100 Hiroshima's (computations on my blog linked below)
Bayou Corne Louisiana has experienced a series of events which 'professionals' are having a hard time explaining --- or at least the pros are finding it to be an inconvenient time to offer an explanation as to what is going on.
Its a long story, but crucial for everyone to understand !
full blog post here: http://sincedutch.wordpress.com/2012/08/11/8112012-louisiana-sink-hole-explai...
Has anyone thought that the lowered pressure of a hurricane system may create such a scenario where the explosion could take place?
When one decreases the pressure of a butane deposit, does it not shift into a gas..expanding exponentially?
Isaac pressure at 995mb and dropping...
Like I aksed earlier about Isaac headed right for Louisiana...
WHY?
Le
The American disaster step by step....
2005: Katrina weakens infrastructure, empowers FEMA, creates a need for FEMA camps. Coastlines still coated with flammable oil sludge.
2009: Oil Spill weakens Louisiana environment and damages the Gulf Coast economy beyond repair for years.
2012: Sinkhole opens, allowing radioactive slurry and butane to combine into a giant dirty bo-m-b
Isaac: drops atmospheric pressure to point where sinkhole butane reaches gaseous state, and the first big lightning strike destroys the Northern Gulf coast.
Strategic oil reserves inaccessible, and the US begs for outside assistance for the first time in it's existence. International Bankers hear the call, and come a runnin', offering to save us with the money they stole from us.
FEMA camps fill up, the rest of the world comes to the US's rescue, and we have a silent banker takeover while it all happens...our attention diverted to the burning oil spill remnants which are still coating the marshes of the Bayous.
Conspiracy fruitcake...all in one!
Thor? Whatdya think?
Le
You got that right!
Ouch, I hope not :o
Le
I truly feel for you guy's in the path. Worked for a company that FEMA had recruited for Disaster Hub after Katrina, was a sad sad scenario, don't want to have that happen again for sure, but batton down the hatches, looks as if it will cause some kind of damage path, either way, the Gulf has had it's UN-fare share of these events.
Hoping the Army Corp had got the Levy's straightened out, but I highly doubt this as well.
Be safe you that are there, my heart is with you all!
With deep concern,
1Worldwatcher
Ongoing defect
preceded sinkhole
Dome issues kept quiet (http://theadvocate.com/home/3580029-125/dome-issues-kept-quiet)
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BY DAVID J. MITCHELL
River Parishes bureau
August 13, 2012
Louisiana Department of Natural Resources and Texas Brine Co. officials knew at least since January 2011 that one of the company's salt dome caverns may have developed problems now suspected of possibly causing a large sinkhole and unexplained natural gas venting in northern Assumption Parish swamps.
For more than two months, as gas bubbles and tremors rattled the Bayou Corne community, DNR and other officials had asked for patience while pipelines, oil and gas wells and other salt caverns were tested.
The problems with the salt cavern were not disclosed to the public and some parish officials involved with the response effort.
An examination of DNR records, interviews, public statements and public meetings established the following:
The possibly failed salt cavern may be closer to the outer wall of the Napoleonville Dome than Texas Brine officials believed.
DNR defended the timing of its disclosures about the history surrounding the salt cavern as matching the emerging facts of the incidents in Bayou Corne.
Sonny Cranch, Texas Brine spokesman, said company officials have been as surprised as anyone about a possible collapse of their salt cavern.
DNR officials allowed Texas Brine to deposit naturally-occurring radioactive material arising from drilling into two company salt caverns, including the one that may have breached in the Bayou Corne area. As of Wednesday, state environmental officials had not tested the sinkhole for radioactivity.
In a Jan. 21, 2011, letter, Mark J. Cartwright, Texas Brine Co. Saltville LLC president, informed DNR about a failed integrity test of the cavern and company officials' subsequent suspicion that the cavern may have breached the Napoleonville Dome's outer wall, possibly explaining a loss of pressure in the cavern during the test.
"One obvious concern is the cavern's proximity to the edge of salt," Cartwright wrote to DNR's Joseph "Joe" S. Ball Jr.
"There have been several studies in this regard, and Texas Brine has mapped the salt boundary near the cavern applying available well log data, seismic data, and most recently, vertical seismic data gathered during the workover. At this time, a breach out of the salt dome appears possible."
Ball is the director of the DNR Injection and Mining Division, which oversees salt caverns.
Texas Brine officials also met with DNR officials on Jan. 21, 2011, concerning their work on the salt cavern that may have failed, DNR records show.
On Friday evening, the same day the sinkhole emerged, releasing a foul diesel odor, DNR officials made public the first indication that the cavern may have failed and caused the sinkhole, also known as a slurry area.
On Tuesday night, DNR and Texas Brine officials further explained that the cavern appeared to be closer to the edge of the Napoleonville Dome than thought when the cavern was issued a state permit 1982 and that the cavern wall could have failed. The failure could allow a connection between the brine contents of the cavern and sediments surrounding the dome.
The 422-foot-deep, 372-foot-diameter sinkhole is largely filled with salty water and, on its surface, has traces of diesel mixed with mud and vegetation. Diesel is floated atop brine in salt caverns to prevent unwanted erosion, officials have said.
DNR officials speculated natural gas, which is found inside salt formations, accumulated in the cavern and was released, accounting for the bubbles.
The January 2011 Texas Brine letter served as formal notification to DNR of the problems that led to the cavern well being plugged in June 2011, but Texas Brine officials had been examining the cavern's wall at least since June 2010, DNR records show.
In early September 2010, Texas Brine began reworking the cavern well, milling a section of salt higher than the existing cavern roof, at 3,400 feet deep, to see if the upper strata could be mined. A DNR permit for that work was issued in May 2010.
Ball explained Wednesday that officials believe that area, which extended for about 100 feet through the well casing above the cavern roof, may be the source of the possible salt dome wall breach.
On Wednesday, DNR officials defended the agency's handling of the issue and the broader investigation surrounding the problems in and around Bayou Corne.
They pointed out the agency was following the evidence that started with natural gas bubbles seen directly over a natural gas pipeline corridor under Bayou Corne and only recently turned to the slurry area.
Ball said DNR officials were focused on finding a source of the natural gas large enough to send gas bubbling up in the bayous and focused on the natural gas pipelines and two salt caverns known to store natural gas under pressure.
"We were looking for a single gas source. We never anticipated that gas that would naturally accumulate in a cavern would have that much driving force behind it to move gas so far away from it," Ball said. "That is why we never focused on anything other than the two caverns that stored natural gas under high pressure."
The same kind of pressure test that led Texas Brine officials to speculate that "a breach out of the salt dome appears possible" in January 2011 were used on those two high-pressure wells and found the wells were not leaking.
Ball said DNR officials first started looking at the Texas Brine cavern a few days before the slurry area emerged when seismic data from the U.S. Geological Survey indicated tremors appeared to be coming from an area near where the sinkhole would later develop.
When asked if he could see how some might see DNR as hiding information with the disclosure of the letter, Ball replied he could, but that would not give a fair impression.
"Yes, I can, but you are playing Monday morning quarterback. That is always going happen," Ball said.
Sonny Cranch, spokesman for Texas Brine, said company officials did not make the connection between the observations described in Cartwright's letter and the events of the past few months in Bayou Corne.
"There still may not be connection,"
Cranch said.
"I'm serious.
This collapse is as much a surprise to Texas Brine as anybody else."
Cartwright's letter was found in a review Wednesday of DNR regulatory files for the cavern. Ball and other DNR officials provided the files Wednesday at agency offices in Baton Rouge after a verbal request earlier this week.
John Boudreaux, director of the parish Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness, said he was not informed about possible problems with the salt cavern until Friday after the sink hole emerged.
Boudreaux, who is the incident commander for the gas bubbles, sinkhole and other issues in Bayou Corne, began fielding calls about 6 a.m. Friday about the diesel smell, determined a half-hour later to be from the sink hole.
He said the Texas Brine letter is news to him.
"They have never told me anything. We have been fighting this since it began, and this is very concerning to me," Boudreaux said.
John Achee Jr. is a community activist who runs two Facebook sites that have become community forums on Bayou Corne where feelings that officials are not giving all the information are aired.
"I know that this was certainly a possibility, but I am kind of shocked to be honest with you," Achee said.
While Texas Brine plugged the cavern well, Ball confirmed no other monitoring of the cavern was required under the closure plan.
DNR records show that on Aug. 31, 1995, the agency authorized Texas Brine to dispose of
20 cubic feet of naturally occurring radioactive material by pumping it into the cavern and another Texas Brine salt cavern in Lafourche Parish. (Read letter.)
A Texas Brine letter dated Aug. 25, 1995, requesting the disposal says the radioactive "scale" had accumulated in soils around the two cavern wells. (Read letter.)
The radioactivity of scale, a common byproduct of oil and gas exploration and production, can vary widely from background levels to
much higher, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency says.
DEQ officials said Wednesday NORM materials can be harmful if ingested and confirmed they had not been testing the sinkhole for radioactivity.
Attorney Stuart Smith, based about an hour's drive from Bayou Corne, specializes in NORM victim cases, explains:
"NORM, an acronym for Naturally Occurring Radioactive Material, includes all radioactive elements found in the environment. Long-lived radioactive elements such as uranium, thorium and potassium and any of their decay products, i. e radium and radon, have always been present in the earth's crust and within tissues of all living beings.
"Although the concentration of NORM in most natural substances is low, higher concentrations may arise as a result of human activities.
For example radium may be precipitated out in scale that forms in a natural gas processing pipe or radon decay products may concentrate on the turbine blades of a natural gas pump.
Enhancement of natural radioactivity has been found in:
• Petroleum and natural gas production
• Mineral extraction and processing
• Metal recycling
• Forest products and thermal - electric production
• Water treatment facilities
• Tunneling and underground workings
"Additionally, technologically enhanced levels of NORM or (TERM or TENORM) often build up in oilfield equipment used to collect and dispose produced water. Equipment such as downhole tubing, surface piping, separator tanks, etc. are often found to have elevated levels of radioactive scales built up which can be a hazard whenever these fixtures are removed or disassembled for maintenance."Tuesday, a University of Texas seismologist found environmental modifications (ENMODs), geological disturbances such as earthquakes, correlate with oil and gas company's hydraulic fracturing injection wells, according to research reported in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
Wednesday, due to the escalating swampland disaster, Chevron Corp's subsidiary Bridgeline Holdings gas energy company halted its nearby pipeline activities and drew down fuel at its nearby storage cavern.
The Bayou Corne disaster has resulted in a recently declared State of Emergency and the area is under a mandatory evacuation order.Map of the Bayou Corne sinkhole incident?Legend:(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w400/thorfourwinds/AUGUST%202012/Bayou-Corne-Sinkhole-Map.jpg)
Yellow Circle = Bubble SItes, Blue Line = Salt Dome 10,000 Depth Contour, Yellow Patch with Orange Outline = Sink Hole, Red Line = Salt Dome 1000 Depth Contour, Orange Circle = Oxy Geismar Well No. 3, Blue Circle = Brine Well, Red Circle = Gas Storage Well, Light Blue Circle = Plugged and Abandoned Well
Bayou Corne Sink Hole Incident Timeline • Oxy Geismar Well No. 3 (serial number: 180708) is the cause of the sink hole.
• The well was first permitted in April 15, 1982 for the mining of salt water brine from the Napoleonville Salt Dome.
• In 1995, Texas brine received permission from
Louisiana Department of Natural Resources to pump soil contaminated with Naturally Occurring Radioactive Material (NORM) into the well.
• In early September 2010, Texas Brine began reworking the cavern well, milling a section of salt higher than the existing cavern roof, at 3,400 feet deep, to see if the upper strata could be mined. A DNR permit for that work was issued in May 2010.
• In 2011, the well failed a pressure test showing that the integrity of the well had been lost. Texas Brine Company sent a letter to Louisiana Department of Natural Resources reporting the failed test and expressing concern over the possibility that "a breach out of the salt dome appears possible."
• On June 6, 2011 the well bore above the cavern was plugged with cement.
It has been reported to OEP that the Louisiana National Guard helicopter pilot/crew, using infrared equipment, flew over the slurry/sinkhole site on the night of August 9, 2012 and observed a 10-20 foot growth to the North & South.
Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality reported that tests done on August 8, 2012 showed "no detectable levels for naturally occurring radioactive material" at the surface of the sink hole or in water samples taken from the sink hole.
The diesel fuel present at the site is from the "diesel blanket;" a layer of diesel fuel put into the brine filled cavern to protect the cavern roof and steel well casings.
A patrol conducted by boat on August 9, 2012 showed no change in the bubbling gas.
LEAN will continue to monitor this incident and work with the residents of Bayou Corne as this incident continues to unfold.
More Information:
http://theadvocate.com/home/3589330-125/officials-upset-about-lack-of
http://theadvocate.com/home/3580029-125/dome-issues-kept-quiet
http://assumptionla.wordpress.com
Source: Lean
That is pretty unfreaking believable there TFW, I can't believe the implication's of this cover up! What a conundrum this is turning into as for the people having been mislead and the over all cover up.
1Worldwatcher
Sinkhole now confirmed to be leeching Radium...
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Dangerous-Levels-of-Radium-by-Meryl-Ann-Butler-120826-116.html
Nasty sh!t!
Le
look at the map again
there are bubbles in the bayou
very close to the butane salt dome area.
and there's not just one, but three butane storage domes there
see attached. click to enlarge
I dont see any bubbles, are you talking about the yellow dots, or can you see bubbles in the ground?
I dont like the whole sense Im getting from this series of events...almost a cold sweat when I think about it.
Amy would say..spidey sense.
Le
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Sleepers in the Gulf - Evacuate Now (http://www.morningliberty.com/2010/07/14/sleepers-in-the-gulf-evacuate-now/)
On the 11th of July, in the Gulf area, people are still in denial about how lethal the Swamp Gas is in the Gulf.
What is the difference
between death by Corexit
and Swamp Gas and a Hurricane?
Men eventually stumble over the truth, said Winston Churchill.
The Government is not helping the people in the Gulf.
Evidence is mounting, even on camera which suggests the explosion on the Deep Water Horizon explosion and oil spill were all done on purpose. People can die from the lethal chemicals that are being sprayed on the ocean, as they mix with V O C's and gasses from the oil.
Matt Smith – Film Maker
Wed July 14, 2010
Subject:
People are in Denial in the Gulf – asleep to the truth 10min Gulf Area Clip
www.morningliberty.com
This 10 minute U-tube (radio interview) from the Gulf area is giving us the unvarnished truth about what we might expect as a country. Those in the states near the Gulf of Mexico should already have their evacuation plans in place.
The current problem
seems to be the slow,
invisible, un-smellable,
poisonous gassing of the population.
VIDEO REMOVED BY USEROK, this one has a message:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCWW5xt3Hc8
NASA's MODIS Rapid Response System has been taking photos of the Gulf of Mexico every day since the Deepwater Horizon explosion on April 20, 2010 that led to the worst oil spill in American history.
This video shows some of the best shots from the satellite imagery that NASA has been collecting. Maybe watching this might help put the oil spill size into perspective.
Two NASA satellites are capturing images of the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, which began April 20, 2010 with the explosion of the Deepwater Horizon oil rig. This short video reveals a space-based view of the burning oil rig and, later, the ensuing oil spill through May 24.
The timelapse uses imagery from the MODIS instrument, on board NASA's Terra and Aqua satellites. The oil slick appears grayish-beige in the image and changes due to changing weather, currents, and use of oil dispersing chemicals.
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t109/10573camaro/Deep%20water%20horizon/Horizon17.jpg)
BP Methane Bubble Trouble – New Disaster in the Gulf (http://www.morningliberty.com/2010/08/03/bp-methane-bubble-trouble-new-disaster-in-the-gulf/)
The real disaster in the Gulf of Mexico hasn't really happened yet.
Check this Video Clip out. Watch the ocean floor, carefully and it will blow you away. BP knows this is going on, on the ocean floor.
Is it the job of Barry Soetoro aka President Obama to protect Americans? Why has BP been silent about this methane hazard that is growing in the Gulf of Mexico? Take a look at this clip, for yourself. The ocean floor in the Gulf is rising. What would it take to ignite and explode this gas? What kind of damage could occur by this kind of explosion, on the ocean floor in the Gulf area?
John DiNardo
Subject: New Video: Gulf of Mexico Sea Floor Bursting
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010
www.morningliberty.com
This Video was recorded early on the morning of August 2nd, 2010. It appears that the ocean floor in the Gulf of Mexico is rising and dropping on demand, by BP equipment.
What would it take to ignite this methane gas?
How much of the ocean floor in the Gulf would be impacted if this ocean floor exploded? Would an explosion of this methane in the Gulf Carpet, be a wimper or would it be Catastrophic?
John Dinardo and Steven Quayle and John Moore claim that an explosion of this Gulf Ocean Floor methane gas could disrupt the whole Gulf of Mexico and it could cause a tsunami that could kill or injure many people who are now living in the Gulf area.
VIDEO REMOVED BY USERRemember this?
BP oil disaster: how a deadly methane bubble triggered explosion (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/7696596/BP-oil-disaster-how-a-deadly-methane-bubble-triggered-explosion.html)
A deadly bubble of methane that forced its way up from beneath the ocean floor caused last month's oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico, according to workers who survived.
(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w400/thorfourwinds/Picture4-1.png)
Check this out:
Gulf of Mexico Seafloor Bursting Throuth - 9/11 Scholars Forum (http://911scholars.ning.com/profiles/blogs/gulf-of-mexico-seafloor-bursting-throuth)
BP had drilled very close to a rising salt dome beneath the
seabed of the Gulf of Mexico. There was widespread splitting
of the seabed, which resulted in widespread leakage of oils and
gases, up through the seafloor.
Oil industry executive Matthew Simmons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Simmons) was murdered because he was revealing this obfuscated fact to the public via FOX-TV News.
The major concern emanating
from this geologic disaster
is that seabeds around the world
are beginning to break up
and burst forth with oils and gases.
Giant plumes of methane bubbling to surface of Arctic Ocean (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/giant-plumes-methane-bubbling-surface-arctic-ocean-163804179.html)
BP had to perpetrate multiple murders, threats of murder,
mass media lies, etc. in order to conceal this alarming fact
from the people, because once having discovered that this
so-called BP oil spill was actually a global natural disaster in
its incipient stages, the people would begin to enquire, and
discover the government-concealed astronomical evidence
that comets are being gravitationally drawn in by a Jupiter-class
dwarf star, and these comets and dwarf star are now exciting
Sun and Earth, magnetically, electrically, and eventually,
gravitationally, to a globally catastrophic climax. It is these
burgeoning traumas afflicting Planet Earth, the other planets,
and the Sun, which have caused the sinking of "the lost
continent of Atlantis," around 9,000 B.C.
You see, the reason why ancient historical records portend
these coming events is that chronological indexing,
throughout the past 110 centuries, shows uniform temporal
demarcations, regular time spans of 36 1/2 centuries each
(i.e. 110 divided by 36 1/2 yields the number 3) between
each of these three catastrophic index points on the timeline
of ancient-to-modern history, meaning that three Global
cataclysms have occurred in the past 11,000 years:
1) the sinking of the continent of Atlantis around 9,000 B.C.
2) the great global Flood of Noah's day, around 5,300 B.C.
(google: Pitman Ryan Flood)
3) the Ten Plagues of Egypt accompanying the Israelites' Exodus
from Egypt, around 1,650 B.C.
How do these Ancient Cataclysms relate to the Gulf of Mexico?
A salt dome seems to form by much the same mechanism as
does a magma dome.
With this recent and ongoing comet/Sun-stimulated increase in
the internal energy of Earth's mostly
molten iron core, there is a consequent transfer of some of the
core's increasing heat energy into the vast magma mantle that
lies between the core and Earth's lithospheric crust. This heat
transfer acts like a stove flame transferring its heat energy to a
pot of pudding resting above the flame.
Due to this heating of
the molten rock/metal mixture comprising the pudding-like mantle,
magma pluming activity occurs up through the mantle (as with
your household lava lamp), and these mantle plumes (magma plumes)
-- piercing upward through hundreds of miles of thick, pudding-like
mantle -- eventually rise to impinge upon the underside of Earth's
lithospheric crust, which comprises the land surfaces and seabeds.
John DiNardo
http://phoenixrisingfromthegulf.wordpress.com/
"The rock beds in the vicinity of a salt dome are highly fractured
and permeable due to stress and deformation which occur as the
salt dome thrusted upwards."
(Per B.K. Lim, Geohazards Specialist)
"As the diagrams clearly indicate, the geology around the well bore
has been blown.
This occurred because of drilling contiguous to a
salt dome(1), as well as because of the gas explosions which did much
damage to the integrity of the well casing, cementing, well bore, well
head, and foundation around the well head.
Eighty-seven straight days
of gushing hydrocarbon effluent under great pressure only served to
further undermine the entire well system.
Finally, when it was capped,
putting the system back under pressure forced the upsurging
hydrocarbons to find weaknesses throughout the greater system, which
revealed all sorts of compromised, fractured and unsettled geology through
which the hydrocarbons could travel all the way to the seafloor and into the
Gulf of Mexico."
Quote from: Littleenki on August 27, 2012, 12:07:46 AM
I dont see any bubbles, are you talking about the yellow dots, or can you see bubbles in the ground?
I dont like the whole sense Im getting from this series of events...almost a cold sweat when I think about it.
Amy would say..spidey sense.
Le
the yellow dots are the bubbles
the pink dashed line is the bayou
the red dots are the butane domes
the sinkhole is on the left in the pic
the butane on the right.
and all those other dots are other dome wells
so there's a fairly large area of swampland expanse between the sinkhole and the
butane domes but the bayou is bubbling all the way over by the butane and all the way over to the left in the pic as well.
see pic attached here
wonder if an expert on chemcial engineering could look at that and the composition of the wells and tell if it looks like the whole area is a huge bomb in the first place.
p.s. the orange dot is the radioactive NORM dome. just to the south of the sinkhole. when i look at this image, it looks like a schematic of an electric circuit, and the sinkhole looks like a lit fuse on a time bomb
I see what youre saying now..the bubbles are under the yellow dots..got it.
They also poured hundreds of gallons of diesel fuel on it to "stabilize" the contents of the sinkhole, which we really dont know what that is yet." WTF?
I think if theres any leaks or even the slightest connection between the well and the surface, the storm could be the spark to cause it to happen, even though they say it wont.
I dont believe any of those fellows from any gas company after the Deepwater spill..theyre all full of sh!t.
Also, they say the butane is stable at its correct head pressure, but what happens when the electric goes out, and the pressure isnt controlled anymore, and the whole system becomes compromised?
Yikes!
Le
Quote from: Littleenki on August 27, 2012, 12:29:05 AM
I see what youre saying now..the bubbles are under the yellow dots..got it.
They also poured hundreds of gallons of diesel fuel on it to "stabilize" the contents of the sinkhole, which we really dont know what that is yet." WTF?
I think if theres any leaks or even the slightest connection between the well and the surface, the storm could be the spark to cause it to happen, even though they say it wont.
I dont believe any of those fellows from any gas company after the Deepwater spill..theyre all full of sh!t.
Also, they say the butane is stable at its correct head pressure, but what happens when the electric goes out, and the pressure isnt controlled anymore, and the whole system becomes compromised?
Yikes!
Le
read what i just posted above your post. i added to it.
to me, it looks like a big bomb made to look like a natural land event.
why would they drill so close to the top of the dome, knowing full well it could erode? something is just not right about this series of events.
the one official, looked so exhausted and actually, he looked panicked to me. he looked like he hadn't shaved in a couple days and had dark circles under his eyes. he didn't look good at all.
this guy. look at that face
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBc5aZeYFKg
If anything comes across my desk at work and I think it's pertinent to the subject I'll pass it along if it's not classified.
sarge, you need to move, north and east of that area. how close are you?
Move?,,,lol.,,,,where?,,this is my home i'm not going anywhere.
"Bayou Corne is approx. 200 miles from my house and 30 miles from Bayou Choctaw, one of the sites for the Strategic Petroleum Reserve."
Besides I have a hurricane to deal with and it looks more and more like we're going to get hit. got my generator up and running, got my ice, just need to get some more gas for my generator...other than that it's all good in the neighborhood... ;D
Quote from: undo11 on August 27, 2012, 12:57:03 AM
this guy. look at that face
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBc5aZeYFKg
This guy looks and sounds like hes describing something bad thats already happened. Ominous spidey sense tingling...
Looks like Issac is gonna miss us for the most part, Sarge, best to you brother, and be safe!
Le
My only advice to folks out there: Guys, go away from that Big Surprise the sooner the better... Be safe.
Quote from: SarK0Y on August 27, 2012, 02:45:57 AM
my only advice to folks out the: Guys, go away from that Big Surprise the sooner the better... Be safe.
When Sarkoy says run...we should listen...
Le