Talk about a 'disturbance in the force' !
Where's WW3? Threat, threat, threat. Israel, Iran, Israel, Iran, Threat, threat, threat - and still no war.
How many years will this go on? The PTB seem to want a war but suffer from martial erectile dysfunction.
My point is: this endless threat and delay suggest that the Illuminati/Cabal/PTB aren't all that powerful. Something is killing their 'schedule' - aliens, perhaps?
This continuing situation should provoke skepticism about various insider testimony, nicht wahr?
Be patient, they're not done looting yet! :o
Hello, 8thman!
So, we havent seen the war yet, but we are seeing the work up towards the inevitable, and with all the hubub around Washington and the Middle East, that inevitability seems quite strong.
What we arent seeing though is the lead up attacks and Arab spring type behaviour which usually signifies the flaring anger which makes war the "only alternative". Right now the election is too close, and any war or action would throw a wrnech in the gears and as the repubs think theyre on cruise control, and the democraps think theyve got it in the bag, neither will make the move.
That doesnt say we havent contracted with some black ops to assasinate the right person over there, or drop the right b-o-m-b on the right city though, so as we do here on PRC...keep vigilant and trust no leader, or gubmint, our own included! :o
I think this time the possible war is to distract from the bankers making their last ditch effort to take control of the worlds economies, and a war would throw a wrench in their gears...so it's a matter of who pulls the pin first I guess.
Watch the Rothschilds and Soros...and keep an eye on Turkey and Syria...lots of tension there.
Ive heard some disturbing stuff from Turkey, and a friend there, he says that the military is quite jumpy right now...so we shall see.
Cheers!
Le
For most of us in the world, there doesn;t appear to be a war going on. However people in Egypt, Lybia, Syria, and other countries in the middle east, might be thinking otherwise.
Kinda like Hi tler at the beginning of WW2. Small steps of takeover before the world decided to step in. This time however who is going to stop them if the alies are the ones working for the bankers.
I do agree that there seems to be a lot of war and fear mongering, for all that is happening,
You know what really scares me is the ignorance of many who think that Iran is so evil that the only answer is too "nuke them" . I read this on bottoms of articles that talk about the evil nuclear program that Iran has. Power of the media and the stupidity of the readers.
My point is: this endless threat and delay suggest that the Illuminati/Cabal/PTB aren't all that powerful. Something is killing their 'schedule' - aliens, perhaps?
perhaps that 'something' is more someones..as in a number of humans who do not want to see this planet nuked again..
perhaps you are correct in that they are not that strong
yes there is a distrubance in the force.. the fight right now is not in 3 D.. it's above and it's for our very exisitence..perhaps even our souls...
so i would say pick a side or hide...
don't waste your time talking about it.... work to prevent it by lining up your energy with positive things..war is not what we need right now
love ~ truth ~joy....those are the things to be sought
try some unexpected kindness to strangers and see how your thoughts change to saving this world
not waiting for it to be blown up by the nasties
we are awesome and blessed..but we need to work to keep a balance in the force...
balance is the key for now
sorry about the soap box.. you got me with what sounded like an enthusiasm for war
and that's when i do this...(http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/13/55/53/83/52338610.gif)
Thanks Sky, kind thoughts from the kind Otter!
It is all about positive support for the collective, and every time we seek or question negative outcomes, it reinforces the whole of things into creating negative results.
I dont think 8thman was trying to push for war, or even suggest its on its way, he was just wondering why the negative outlets who have been trumpeting the war to come have been wrong.
If anything watch the least obvious places for tidbits of truth...the bankers, and the Iranians wont be the first indicator, although they are the first one we look to when it happens.
If it does happen, Im moving where you are for some of those nice tomatoes I know your hoarding!;)
Some in gubmint want war, some dont, hopefully we see the donts overwhelm the do's.
Cheers!
Le
LE
you are a smart guy
you hafta know that ultimately it is us..we..you and me who will decide the outcome
our energy and thoughts are so powerful and yet they are left most of the time in y/our back pocket..
my phrase of sitting on my assets..lol
i wasn't picking on 8th man but the heading on the thread really hit a nerve...
so you got my ego part on the old..(http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/13/55/53/83/52338610.gif)
8th ..big hugs to ya
and how about a rephrase to
no war.!!!! something is right..
;D
oh LE.. i'm giving the dang tomatoes away as fast as i am able..but folks ar now hiding when they see me.. it's almost as bad as having zucchinnis
91 pints of juice and i quit..
;D
Oh Sky, if I had that superluminal saucer, Id be there now..well before now;)
Christine makes Zucchini bread with dark chocolate...Mmmm!
8thman, you may get hungry hanging around us here!;)
I like when you get on that soapbox! It awakens the sleepers out there! :o
ill be visiting the Gaia tonight after my nightly Bonacci video, so see ya there!
:D
Le
Where's WW3? Threat, threat, threat. Israel, Iran, Israel, Iran, Threat, threat, threat - and still no war.
The record of the last century is pretty clear - - Israel has done, and does what it thinks necessary for their survival. The record is also very clear that in doing what they do, they have had considerable "supernatural help" in completing their missions.
The second "record" I mentioned, some of you may not know about, but there is much personal direct account testimony relative to the specifics of numerous instances of supernatural intervention in battle, some since 1947.
When it comes to the safety of Israel, don't worry, for it will be "politics be dammed", and "full speed ahead", to whatever/whoever the threat might be. Israel has made it very clear by past action, that they are going to do whatever is necessary, for their people, and for their country.
And I would say "woe be it" for ANY COUNTRY who might venture into trying to wipe Israel off of the map". Me thinks that to be a "suicidal plan", for they are not in this alone!
Quote from: Eighthman on August 27, 2012, 03:03:47 AMWhere's WW3? Threat, threat, threat. Israel, Iran, Israel, Iran, Threat, threat, threat - and still no war.
WWIII is not good for business. The current situation however is...
We sell them weapons of war, pit one against the other then turn on them and blow up all we sent them. The area is also a marvelous venue for testing all those drones and super weapons :D..
Then we send in Halliurton to rebuild their bombed out cities and they pay for the rebuilding with their oil...
QuoteHow many years will this go on? The PTB seem to want a war but suffer from martial erectile dysfunction.
The Arabs and Jews have been fighting it out in that region for over 2000 years... And the Christians got into it too because they think they own Jerusalem as well :P (Crusades, Templars, Knights of Malta etc) It's in our best interest to keep them at it...
And when they are not fighting each other than Ortodox Jews are attacking Zionists, or trying to erase the Palestinians off the face of the Earth...
Suni attacking Shiites... or trying to erase the Kurds off the face of the Earth...
Nothing has changed there for over 2000 years except the weapons they use. Reagan sold Saddam the gas he used on the Kurds and we sold him top of the line fighter jets and trained his pilots to fly them when he was our friend against Iran. We DIDN'T sell hime the maintenance or train the pilots to fight... so all the plannes were on the runway when we turned on him and we blew them all up like ducks in a pond
QuoteMy point is: this endless threat and delay suggest that the Illuminati/Cabal/PTB aren't all that powerful. Something is killing their 'schedule' - aliens, perhaps?
No aliens... you forget that not ALL Illuminati work for the Dark Side... currently the two sides are still more or less equal... if they weren't we wouldn't be on the internet. The problem is that the Dark Side is working in the open, while the Light Side is still mostly secret
Don't forget that 'someone' recently made Morgan Chase pay 83,000,000.0 fine for bad market dealings...
QuoteThis continuing situation should provoke skepticism about various insider testimony, nicht wahr?
Most insider info is deliberately leaked propaganda :P Always has been... because no true insider will ever truly leak anything. The consequences are just too high..
Oh sure little stuff like diplomatic gossip lke the Wikileaks cables.. or who is sleeping with who... but rarely anything solid with proof :D
As far as Iran goes? Don't forget that they once were the Persian Empire... the one truly awesome society where everyone was well treated and rich... until Alexander the Not so Great decide to just burn it down...
Something they neglected to tell you in History class in School...
And Iran wants that back :D
(http://ni1cxlgl084)
Quote from: rdunk on August 27, 2012, 04:40:13 AM
And I would say "woe be it" for ANY COUNTRY who might venture into trying to wipe Israel off of the map". Me thinks that to be a "suicidal plan", for they are not in this alone!
Well Orthodox Jews say that a State of Israel is against the Torah and should be disbanded :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0haybEo-Tx4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWvMJuHJ1fI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7UpQmK8yfc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ev7NOOZhlc
Quote from: rdunk on August 27, 2012, 04:40:13 AM
Where's WW3? Threat, threat, threat. Israel, Iran, Israel, Iran, Threat, threat, threat - and still no war.
The record of the last century is pretty clear - - Israel has done, and does what it thinks necessary for their survival. The record is also very clear that in doing what they do, they have had considerable "supernatural help" in completing their missions.
I refuse to believe that Yahweh is a mass murdering psychopath, personally; or that he assists or condones such.
I also refuse to believe that Yahweh is a sadist of sufficient magnitude that he would be willing to lock humanity in a horrific, deterministic closed loop (as described by Biblical eschatology) from which there is no escape.
Christians and Jews apparently are not capable of realising just what an absolute monster God would have to be, in order for the scenario that they believe in, to actually exist. The first thing any person who leaves Semitic monotheism, but wants to remain a theist has to do, is to discover experientially that God really
is Love. There isn't simply a scenario where that statement is given in one place, and then made an absolute sick mockery of, within the rest of the theology.
Jesus was right when he said that
some among the Jews set rods for men's backs, and slam the doors of heaven in their faces; and the main way that they do that, is by depicting God as someone who any sane, principled, genuinely compassionate human being, could not help but regard with utter revulsion and loathing.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.-- Jeremiah 31:33, KJV. Emphasis mine.
Stephen Fry, an atheist, has expressed that he knows far more about the genuine will of God, as far as I am concerned, than the majority of Semitic monotheists that I have seen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWdhDpW49Iw
This is why anti-Semitism exists, and why such rage towards Christianity exists. Most have not identified the cause consciously. I have. It is not, as these two groups claim, because they remind people of the supposed truth; but because they isolate people from God with lies, and they create cognitive dissonance whereby individuals feel that the only way that they can do, think, or feel, that which they know to be right, is by supposedly (but not, in fact) rebelling against God.
Benjamin Netanyahu
is a psychopath. The Zionist Ashkenazim
are psychopaths. Any Christian who views the rest of humanity as expendable, relative to Israel,
is a psychopath.
Most of the Jewish population who exist outside their government, however, are
not psychopaths, as indicated by Israel Loves Iran (http://www.israelovesiran.com/).
Yahweh is
not a psychopath.
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.-- Isaiah 1:18
20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.
23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
26 And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the LORD, which am but dust and ashes:
28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.
29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake.
30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the LORD be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.
31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the LORD: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.
32 And he said, Oh let not the LORD be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.
33 And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.-- Genesis 18, KJV. Emphasis mine.
"
Understand, then, that it is not because of your righteousness that the LORD your God is giving you this good land to possess, for you are a stiff-necked people."-- Deuteronomy 9:6. Yahweh's opinion of the Jews, in his own words.
Jesus Christ is
not a psychopath.
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.-- John 13:34-35
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!"-- Matthew 23:37, KJV
The Zionist minority's general war against the rest of humanity, is irreconcilable with the concept of divine love. You defile the nature and reputation of God by claiming otherwise. I will not tolerate it. I have said before, that I have taken oath before Michael that I will not hate Israel; but if she insists on doing that which is wrong, as a Gentile, I will take her own scripture, and I will use it to tan her hide.
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!-- Isaiah 5:20
FWIW........................Petrus, it makes no difference what you "believe", it is what God says and does that is all in all. Yes, God is "love", but he is also "just", and he will do what he says he will do.
Absolutely no one, knows the mind of God, but we can "know" him in his Word. But for anyone to say "I don't believe it", about anything that is said in the Word about God, is on prrrrrreeeeeeetttty shaky ground. ;)
And quoting scripture won't change that! Even satan knew God long before man did, and he "knows" the scripture - - satan even tried/tempted Jesus with scripture, to no avail.
God is God, and he will do as he pleases, and all that he does will be in accordance with his Word! As I said, it makes no difference "what we believe" in that regard!
Quote from: rdunk on August 27, 2012, 07:12:17 AM
FWIW........................Petrus, it makes no difference what you "believe", it is what God says and does that is all in all. Yes, God is "love", but he is also "just", and he will do what he says he will do.
Don't bother trying to give me that argument. Christians often do, and it doesn't do anything other than annoy me. You are attempting to claim that your own opinion here, is an absolute. It is not.
Your only theological basis for claiming that the Israeli government's desired genocide of its' neighbours has divine sanction, is:-
a} Precedent in terms of Canaan, and Israel's initial settlement.
b} The depiction of Israel being opposed by the rest of the planet in Revelations.
There is a vastly greater theological basis for being able to argue that genocide is
not sanctioned.
QuoteAnd quoting scripture won't change that! Even satan knew God long before man did, and he "knows" the scripture - - satan even tried/tempted Jesus with scripture, to no avail.
This is another standard Christian argument.
Premise A:- Satan knew the Bible.
Premise B:- I disagree with/don't like the argument that you're using scripture to support.
Conclusion:- Your argument is Satanic, and so are you. You are now supposed to be infused with sufficient guilt, shame, and fear, that you will immediately stand down and desist for engaging in further argument.
Again, this is an extremely old and tired tactic, and you're going to have to do much better.
QuoteGod is God, and he will do as he pleases, and all that he does will be in accordance with his Word! As I said, it makes no difference "what we believe" in that regard!
Translation:- God is a hypocrite, who will, if he pleases, break the rules which he has given us wholesale, at any time when it proves convenient. We are simply to tolerate this, because might makes right, and he is much more powerful than we are, and his instruction to us is given on the basis of, "Do as I say, not as I do."
Game, set, and match. ;)
I must say that I am surprized by the divergence of opinion here and the degree of Bible quoting I observe.
I'm not eager for war - I'm just puzzled by the endless delay of what some think to be inevitable. Perhaps it isn't inevitable - I think the PTB may have adopted an Israeli idea to break up troublesome Arab nations into eternally warring factions and keep them out of trouble that way.
If I come across a little odd in the sentiments I express, it's probably because I was a bit Asperger's in my youth and it still takes some effort to fit in. I call it learning "Emotion As A Second Language".
I am utterly amazed by one thing: that No One seems to observe the critical problem posed by Islam, as a threat to the entire world, namely suicide bombing. Put increasing technology into the hands of these people and the world ends, period.
If you can get young men with engineering degrees and all the opportunity that entails ( booze, drugs, sex, a good life) to blow themselves up, civilization ends. This hit me like a ton of bricks after 9/11 and I sincerely believe it is THE explanation ( that can't be discussed openly) that explains why we keep invading and fooling around in the Muslim world - as well as why the PTB elected a 'kinda, sorta, Muslim' President to office.
Quote from: Eighthman on August 27, 2012, 03:13:48 PM
I am utterly amazed by one thing: that No One seems to observe the critical problem posed by Islam, as a threat to the entire world, namely suicide bombing. Put increasing technology into the hands of these people and the world ends, period
Extreme Islamic terrorists are a very small percentage of the Muslim population. I have many Muslim friends and contacts and they have no love for terrorism any more than we do. And most don't hate Americans as some would have you believe.
QuoteThis hit me like a ton of bricks after 9/11 and I sincerely believe it is THE explanation ( that can't be discussed openly) that explains why we keep invading and fooling around in the Muslim world - as well as why the PTB elected a 'kinda, sorta, Muslim' President to office.
I think you will find that not many here accept the official story on 9/11
::)
I understand that suicide bombers are a minority but the problem still stands. Today, we observe evidence of coming failure in Afghanistan because Afghan trainees can't be trusted with a gun, much less anything else.
The various interpretations of 9/11 do not nullify the phenomena of suicide bombing. It also gets surpressed as with an Egyptian airliner crash some years ago, in which the Mubarak regime couldn't admit that the pilot deliberately killed everyone, including a large number of Israelis on board (motive).
Suicide bombers in WW2 (Kamikazis) were seen with horror in the US.
Extrapolating this further into the future, I see this murderous phenomena as proof that the human race MUST develop some sort of ESP facility or face practical extinction. I know that may seem like a leap but putting more and more powerful technology into the hands of individuals makes this inevitable, in my view.
Clinton said, "I feel your pain", likely as glibly empathic. I assert this might need to be literally true, someday, or we will destroy ourselves.
If aliens do interfere with nukes, I'd be interested in what their long term plan for us is. This can't go on forever.
Greetings Eighthman :) (emo icon for your second language x 2 ;))
You pose a good question; after all, many in this world probably have some level of anxiety because of the 'rumors of wars', which also affects our economies. I believe the PTB are divided, which Zorgon pointed out in another thread. Your thought on the PTB adopting an Israeli idea of maintaining warring factions is right on, this is one reason we don't see a Pan Arab unification; the other reason being they've been fighting for a few millennia anyway.
I think the majority of Muslims would prefer a peaceful coexistence with other cultures and religions. It seems the extremist who are fascist get all the press... is that because our media in the western world needs an enemy? Or is it because they really are a threat; if so, have the radical fringes of Islam hijacked their religion to the point where they insist on Sharia law being implemented in other countries?
Your amazement is shared by many, but, because of Political Correctness, we won't hear the voice of those who see a juggernaut coming at us. They are a threat without increased technology, but with it they have a force multiplier. Odds are they've got what they need after the break up of the Soviet Union. As for the bible quotes, well, one can argue the bible has prophesied much of this, and those who do would tell you the real PTB is the true power behind its word.
Finally, I fully agree with Skyotter's quote: "don't waste your time talking about it.... work to prevent it by lining up your energy with positive things..war is not what we need right now love ~ truth ~joy....those are the things to be sought!"
Quote from: Eighthman on August 27, 2012, 03:03:47 AM
Talk about a 'disturbance in the force' !
Where's WW3? Threat, threat, threat. Israel, Iran, Israel, Iran, Threat, threat, threat - and still no war.
How many years will this go on? The PTB seem to want a war but suffer from martial erectile dysfunction.
My point is: this endless threat and delay suggest that the Illuminati/Cabal/PTB aren't all that powerful. Something is killing their 'schedule' - aliens, perhaps?
This continuing situation should provoke skepticism about various insider testimony, nicht wahr?
Eighthman, all-that has simple explanation: to provide war needs to've firm backyard, but Climatic & Technological issues have made absolutely impossible even to dream about Hottie WWIII ;D
I hesitate to point this out but some Ascension-types assert that there won't be any Big War 'cause the ET's ain't havin' it.
As skeptical as I am about the Ascension ideas, I do wonder if there could be a general veracity to some of their notions, as if they were picking up part of a collective unconscious, or psychic intent.
For example, they seem to be spot on as regards the governance of our globe, looking to the Banksters and Corporate types as supreme, rather than the marionette political leaders.
I'm not sure that the military has anything effective against deep installations in Iran, anyway. Unless I'm mistaken, neither particle beam weapons nor Rods From God nor nuclear munitions are gonna do it. This may be why it's all been threat and no action.
Unless you're gonna get all ultradimensional and just pop up in their deep facilities......
Quote from: Eighthman on August 27, 2012, 06:03:22 PM
As skeptical as I am about the Ascension ideas, I do wonder if there could be a general veracity to some of their notions, as if they were picking up part of a collective unconscious, or psychic intent.
There is NO WAY 99.8% of humanity is anywhere near being ready for Ascension. Ascension is like graduating from University... most people on Earth are still at Kindergarten Level...
And don't count on ET to give us a free ride to get there, as that would defeat the whole purpose of Ascension.
Those promoting that we will all Ascend in the near future are just lazy wannabes that think ET will solve all their problems and put them at the head of the class without having to actually learn anything
Sorry if that bursts anyone's bubble. 8)
z
well considering class sounds like the tower of babel on steroids, and everyone is absolutely sure their version is the correct one, i'm going with the idea that if they don't put us all at the head of the class with like auto knowledge of what it all meant, then something is seriously wrong with the universe at a level much deeper than human foibles.
zorg.. i do agree with you..
but
yeah.. i know always a but in there :D
i do believe that while we are not really ascending..as prescribed by many
and the et's of anywhere are not going to save anyone
and that religion is a trap
i do feel..very strongly that those who are working at it
..will be given a chance for knowledge that is not otherwise accessible
i don't call that ascension..but some might
and golly gee.. i don't think it will be the meek or the good hearted ONLY...
i feel it will be those prepared to recognize what will be availiable
where humanity goes from there is anyones guess
but hey.. just my opinion..as ususal
I just want to say that I appreciate this sort of discussion as what I've been looking for, in which differing viewpoints are vigorously defended in a tactful manner ( unlike 'suck it, doomtard', elsewhere)
I have some trouble understanding the view of those who put some sort of moral training above practical adjustments, in regard to 'fixing ' what's wrong with humans. Reincarnation, if true, looks very ineffective and sloppy as to recalling that which you're supposed to improve on, This Time.
I am sorely tempted by the thought that all we need 'to straighten out and fly right" would be some ESP and a Free Energy gadget or two.
Lou Baldin: " No one is on earth because they are angels, we are on earth because we are not. People on earth hate those in charge, and sometimes with good reason. Nevertheless, hate is the key difference. Good people hate no one, not even the bad people. Bad people hate almost everyone, especially the good people, or anyone in charge."
Hoss:Lou has also stated that we are not here to change the world, we are here to be changed by the world . IE: to learn to live with integrity, without envy ,hate or greed !!
Well of course, for we Christians, life, and ascension/rapture of the Church, is pretty well laid out in God's Word for us. So, nothing for us (we Christians) to be concerned about in that regard.
For sure, the time for that "happening" appears imminent to many Christians, on the basis of prophesy relative to current events. But only God knows when that will happen - today, tomorrow, next year, or years from now!!
J-FWIW!
Quote from: sky otter on August 27, 2012, 07:15:58 PM
i don't call that ascension..but some might
It's called Awakening :P but yeah some might call it Ascension :P
... but those people are in for a very rude Awakening :P
Sorry no Rapture Today :P
Quote from: zorgon on August 27, 2012, 09:18:16 PM
Sorry no Rapture Today :P
YET TODAY! ;) (http://r29.imgfast.net/users/2914/64/30/69/smiles/748164.gif)
Quote from: Eighthman on August 27, 2012, 03:13:48 PM
I must say that I am surprized by the divergence of opinion here and the degree of Bible quoting I observe.
Although I didn't attend seminary in formal terms, I was given what I consider to have been a good informal background in theological debate, on IRC between 1994-1998 or so. I've also been reading the Bible since probably the age of 6, although I haven't read it regularly now for probably 15 years. I consider myself to have a more advanced understanding of Christian theology, than roughly 95-98% of Christians; and my own study has taken me to the Essenic/Nag Hammadi texts as well.
I've looked at elements of Christianity that exist in places where orthodox Christians do not want to go. The majority of Jesus' quotations actually exist outside of the Nicean canon; and you have to be willing to go outside of said canon itself, if you want to find them. You also need to largely abandon the idea that the Bible is infallible, and instead rely on empiricism and a lot of deductive reasoning. Christians are generally not willing to do that, and they have been taught that to do so is satanic.
Christianity is as spiritually legitimate a path as any, once a lot of its' overgrowth has been swept away; but the filtration process requires a lot of courage, all false modesty aside. It also requires not only being told that you are going to Hell, but to reconcile yourself with that genuine possibility.
I've had dreams which possibly were not dreams at all; which contained heat, and red stone, and writhing bodies, and my being caged alongside black things whose forms I could not directly focus on, because my mind could not handle them. It was said that Jesus sank into Hell, and then rose back to Earth from it, before ascending into Heaven. My own experience suggests that Christianity requires its' adherents to actually do likewise.
QuoteI'm not eager for war - I'm just puzzled by the endless delay of what some think to be inevitable.
I do not believe that nuclear war is going to be allowed to occur; I've seen other evidence which strongly suggests that some of the ETs who are present here, will not allow it, because it is the one form of activity which we can engage in, with the ability to negatively affect them. Conventional invasion will most likely be allowed, but nuclear war will not. Nuclear detonations create interdimensional holes, which as mentioned, detrimentally affect more people than just us.
QuoteIf I come across a little odd in the sentiments I express, it's probably because I was a bit Asperger's in my youth and it still takes some effort to fit in. I call it learning "Emotion As A Second Language".
The greatest lie that psychiatry tells autistic individuals, is that neurotypicals are perfect, and we are not. While I do have some social problems of my own, my inability to fit in, is as much due to my intolerance of mainstream moral degeneracy, as it is to my own issues.
QuoteI am utterly amazed by one thing: that No One seems to observe the critical problem posed by Islam, as a threat to the entire world, namely suicide bombing. Put increasing technology into the hands of these people and the world ends, period.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=632q94e2zm8
As I have already mentioned, use of nuclear weaponry will not be permitted, beyond an exceedingly small degree. In conventional terms, my own projection for a worst case scenario in terms of Islamic expansion, (that is, total social and political planetary takeover) still gives us an ETA of around three generations, or roughly 90 years from current date; possibly a bit less. They will need that much time in order to gain a uniform numerical advantage of roughly 5:1, relative to the non-Islamic population. While the Islamic encroachment is progressing steadily, yes, it is nowhere near as rapid as some would have you believe.
While I feel that we are likely past the point of no return, with regards to a complete Islamic takeover, we currently have much larger environmental problems to deal with, which will have potentially lethal consequences of their own, long before the Islamic infestation becomes a truly serious problem.
We have time to deal with the Muslims yet. We won't be able to prevent them from gaining a population advantage of at least 4-5:1 in their favour, no; but said advantage will take a few generations to truly arrive, as mentioned. We can use that time to make ideological inroads. I believe, at this point, that internal Islamic reform, is probably our best hope; and that is where we need to focus the majority of our efforts, as far as averting a total Islamic planetary assimilation is concerned.
Tactically speaking, Muslims tend towards cowardice. They generally will not commence violent takeover of a previously non-Islamic area, until they have a numerical advantage of at least 3:1, relative to the non-Islamic population. This is a weakness, and it can be exploited, if it is known about.
Quote from: zorgon on August 27, 2012, 09:18:16 PM
Sorry no Rapture Today :P
How about the next comet??
(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/applewhite.jpg)
Quote from: zorgon on August 27, 2012, 09:18:16 PM
It's called Awakening :P but yeah some might call it Ascension :P
... but those people are in for a very rude Awakening :P
Sorry no Rapture Today :P
Damn,I always wanted to fly free.
There is tomorrow,though!
Quote from: petrus4 on August 28, 2012, 12:53:17 AM
My own experience suggests that Christianity requires its' adherents to actually do likewise.
been there, done that. not doing it again just so i can satisfy each new person who wants to see anyone with the notion of christianity attached, suffer. had enough suffering in my life to satisfy everyone who has ever wanted revenge for anything. all ya need to do is review my life, and if you wanted revenge against a christian, you'll be more than satisfied. like a nice tasty meal of what you hate about being human, and how easy it is to blame it on someone else. :) if one viewing isn't enough, push the replay review button, don't ask me to do it all over again.
once is enough for me though, thank you
I am very surprized to find Bible quoting types here. My reason why concerns the arguments made about 200 years ago by Thomas Paine in "The Age Of Reason" in which he dismisses the Bible because of his belief in a "plurality of worlds".
I still have great respect for Christianity and think that , if it had never existed, we wouldn't be typing on computers today. Other cultures just remain static across centuries - or degenerate after hiting a high spot, such as Confusian China or Muslim Caliphates.
We have no way to stand outside our world and judge exactly what our circumstance is. Are angels and demons just spacemen in disguise?
A little known fact: the "star" that the Magi followed is said to be more properly translated as "stood above" where the young child Jesus was i.e. it hovered above, as a light in the sky.
I am very surprised to find Bible quoting types here. My reason why concerns the arguments made about 200 years ago by Thomas Paine in "The Age Of Reason" in which he dismisses the Bible because of his belief in a "plurality of worlds".
Hi Eighthman,! You really should not be too surprised at anything you might see relative to people's religious ideas. I recently posted here a screenshot depicting most, if not all, of the different "gods" that the ancient Egyptians had worshipped - 29 different gods I think. And the rest of the world has also worshiped gods of about every sort that one could imagine, that is, except for the pure atheists.
One thing man has proven and that is, man can well believe anything he wants to. Just as you said about Thomas Paine, "he dismisses the Bible because of his "belief" in a "plurality of worlds" - that is HIS BELIEF, a type of god even, for him.
For sure, man in general, has been rejecting the God of this universe - the God in the Bible - for a long long time. God has had problems even with his own people, and has dealt with that numerous times.
As this God is the basis of all that Christians believe, then all that choose to reject this God, reject Christians likewise. But, many who reject God, still do continue to search for that "explainable" higher power, to satisfy a certain human need of life, something to "believe in".
So, yes, you may see a scripture mentioned here at he forum, every now and then, when things get a little deep into what man believes about things! :))
As this God is the basis of all that Christians believe, then all that choose to reject this God, reject Christians likewise
rdunk
pardon me for pointing this out..but you really need to add a little blurp there that says
in my opinion..because otherwise you are just poking up the fires of unneeded and going nowhere argument
i don't read any of your religious stuff cause there is no sense to wasting either or our time going round and round with our discortant belief/non belief systems
i truly respect that we are different and am totally fine with that
but
that statement, my friend , is just a bit over the top and in my most un~humble opinion..not true
;D
Sky, sorry, this wasn't directed at anyone!!! This is a fairly logical statement, that seems to make logical sense --- However, I should have said it this way, to say what I intended - "as this God is the basis for all that Christians believe, then all that choose to reject this God, would also reject what all Christians "BELIEVE".
I wasn't saying that anyone would reject Christian people, just that if one rejects the God of Christian , then it also pretty much means the Christian faith is rejected too, don't you think? ;)
And I too would suggest that everyone skip posts in which there is no interest! That is what I do, for sure!
rdunk
thank you for clarifing your statment to
then all that choose to reject this God, would also reject what all Christians "BELIEVE".
and yes i can agree with that
i find myself reading my posts and thinking it makes perfect sense..lol..and it mostly does to me.. except my spelin is auful..lol.. but then someone else reads it and gets a totally different meaning ...
i have this framed saying beside my desk it goes like this
I know
you believe you understand
what you think i said,
but I'm not sure you relaize
that what you heard is not what i meant.!
big hugs for not taking offense ;D 8)
Quote from: rdunk on August 28, 2012, 08:50:32 PM
God has had problems even with his own people, and has dealt with that numerous times.
HIS own people are the Jews... not the Christians... says so in the Bible many times. Moses was a Jew not a Christian, so was Noah, so was Abraham. You need to get your facts straight :D
QuoteAs this God is the basis of all that Christians believe, then all that choose to reject this God, reject Christians likewise. But, many who reject God, still do continue to search for that "explainable" higher power, to satisfy a certain human need of life, something to "believe in".
I thought Jesus was the basis that made Christianity, because the Jews and Muslim also believe in the same god... whether you choose to accept that truth is irrelevant to reality :D
The Christians should ave created a NEW bile starting from Jesus instead of ADOPTING the old Testament from Israel and making it fit
And then as people started to learn how to read, the Church EDITED out Books of the Bible...
Solomon is supposedly the wisest man in the Bible... yet his Book called 'Wisdom' was removed from the Bible. Why? well just read it and that will be obvious :D
But I suppose you reject the Apocrypha too right?
Uh huh...
Thanks for the thought sky - we all stumble around a little with our replies, but most of the time, offense is not usually intentional - - yes we sometimes do make mistakes though.
I have one to talk to zorgon about in the next reply here - he doth assume too much!! :))
"HIS own people are the Jews... not the Christians... says so in the Bible many times. Moses was a Jew not a Christian, so was Noah, so was Abraham. You need to get your facts straight"
zorgon, when I made the statement. which your quote discusses, the Jews is exactly who I was talking about!! God has dealt with them time and time again!
The end-time judgement is still coming for the rest of the world., and Jesus Christ (as we Christians believe) will be that judge.
"I thought Jesus was the basis that made Christianity, because the Jews and Muslim also believe in the same god... whether you choose to accept that truth is irrelevant to reality"
God has made it so that it is all about the Messiah Jesus Christ. Actually, as we believe, it makes no difference who believes what otherwise, in the end, the judgement will be about what did we do with Jesus - yes, that is the Christian belief.
Most everything in the Old Testament points to Jesus!
Nope, not interested in any scripture outside of what is in the Bible. That pretty well covers the "prophetic story", from beginning to end.
Thanks for your comments!!
Using only the bible as your source for wisdom, is like having a brand new luxury car, yet, only using the door to get in and out without driving it! I think there are many ways Creator has expressed itself, Jesus being the most profound in human terms (opinion/belief alert); but I also believe we should know how to apply the natural laws around us, as given to us if we want to be in Harmony with God. This harmony in my definition means a healthy body, mind, and spirit. Jesus utilized these laws in the most advanced ways by performing miracles. These miracles were the result of an extremely disciplined mind with FULL knowledge of metaphysics/supernatural. Perhaps the mystic realm is a continuation of learning for us, with the bible being a vital part of this curriculum! Are ye not God's? We should be healing ourselves and making beneficial advancements instead of talking about and executing wars. We can look inward for the Kingdom of Heaven instead of relying on an external god as taught in most religions, ie separate from us! Gnostics weren't evil, I think they wanted a direct line to the Kingdom of Heaven without intercession by other groups, or a papal system. As for God's judgement, I think we will judge ourselves when we see how puny and imperfect we are next to the brilliant, Ultimate Truth. But hey, what do I know.
Huh, look where this thread went... LOL!
Jesus is also the Son o God, sorry my letter is not working.
Zorgon is also missing a letter re the bible, not bile, not nice intended or not.
This is why we are awiating the next war...religious differences over something which is the exact same thing, from tens of millenia ago.
Rdunk, I totally respect your beliefs, and always will accept you for any way you may go or stay..so dont take this post wrong, as I know you know what true love and kindness is. You are aware of what it takes to share the planet with your fellow man, and I wholeheartedly respect you for that...this is just mine, and many, many other's realization about who GOD really is and why GOD has no need for war, and belief systems.
The problem here is some are using the King James bible for their backup, when its proven that that particular tome is incomplete and lacking any proof of Jesus' actual existence whatsoever.
While the KJ bible does contain the stories of people called Abraham, Jesus, Noah and more, it does nothing to actually prove the existence of any of these figures in history.
Even the vatican cant provide proof that someone named Jesus ever existed...it's all been mistranslated from the original books and twisted by the Church of England and many others who helped write it.
There are dozens of religions in the world today that use the same allegorical tales and myths of the original history of these events and so called people, but none of them can prove anything at all, that the events and tales ever took place beyond metaphor and said allegory.
If we look far back into the past, when none of these figures existed at all..we see the truth, and its crystal clear to those who dont allow religion and churches to cloud their minds with tales of men being eaten by giant fish, or arks full of animals and people chosen by "GOD".
The entire voluminous expanse of religious beliefs stems from the simple Zodiac.
Jesus was not a god, but the whole tale of him was allegory for the Sun.
"Crucified" on Dec 21st, the mythical Jesus was dead for three days, the 22nd, 23rd, and 24th, with Jesus then rising on the birth of the new Sun on Dec 25th, the first day the Sun starts to move from it's three day static position.
Hence the tale of the cave and the crucifixion and the resurrection...all allegory for the astrological alignments which all of this batch of mystery stemmed from in the first place.
How did these truths become so muddied up, and so many people today believe the bizarre set of events which are described in the bible?
Talking bushes?
Talking snakes?
Rocks spewing water?
Manna from heaven?
Arks full of millions of animals and thier subsequent sh!t and piss?
Well, it all is on the backs of the translators, and manipulators which have made up religion for millenia. Especially the vatican, with their cultish behaviour and rituals, establishing the ecclesiastical control over the entrie western world today, and it's blind helpless constituents.
Catholicism? Evil, plain and simple.
Christianity? A belief system with kind lessons, but no REAL solid foundation and proof of concept.
Judaism? Same old stuff from tens of thousands of years ago.
Unlike many who KNOW the truth, I dont hate or loathe the religious folks of today, I just feel sorry for them for not realizing their beliefs are based on something constructed to control their minds and lives in every way.
These folks havent a clue as to how ridiculous some of their beliefs are, and plunge headlong with faith... a lack of knowing...into the abyss which religion has become.
They love others and espouse kindness to the world around while preaching honesty, while their religious leaders take full advantage of their fragile state of mind concerning what is true and what is false.
Its not their fault, and we shouldnt ever blame the followers, for they know not what they do, its an indoctrination and nothing more for them, and until their eyes and minds open up and smell the roses, they will forever wallow in the lies formed by the churches and religions that have kicked reason and truth to the curb.
Until then we must accept them for their beliefs and ideals, while awaiting them to join us on our ark.
Why are we at the brink of war once more?
Because of these kind caring folks wanting to massacre each other over GOD.
There is a GOD, and it's not a HE, but a WE.
Cheers!
Le
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLwF2ldNpbQ
Quote from: rdunk on August 29, 2012, 04:49:58 AM
Nope, not interested in any scripture outside of what is in the Bible.
But the Apocrypha were IN the Bible originally.... they were not edited out until the 16th Century so how can you say they outside scripture?
Rv.22:18-19f. (KJV) states:
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
So it was the Church that decided to remove those books in the 16th Century and your own book says its wrong for any man to remove ANY words...
So you better get a copy of the Apocrypha real fast or "God shall take away his part out of the book of life" :D
...you can't have it both ways..
I would HIGHLY recommend Solomon's Book of Wisdom 8)
Well I know I dont have to read any book because no matter what people say or dont say I believe in Jesus, God's son, and that's that.
It's called Phaith, sorry that is not working.
old testament patriarchs=pharaohs
jesus=last pharaoh
this is just one of many connections between the old and new
Quote from: biggles on August 29, 2012, 05:50:51 AM
Religious Scholars :P Just as bad as Archaeologists. That video, the Buffoon who says "No way it could be.." hasn't even LOOKED He just spews what he wants to believe. The guys on the dig? Yeah they too are making assumptions without actually testing anything
Yeah they will be arguing this for the next 2000 years... silly Hu-mons
And then, an ET space craft will land in the Vatican Courtyard, and a Reptilian will step out and say..
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTPLkdwAovAbGIAXK3XH42X7tYBcKr3YR68slxdGD_8Sk-JJvkB&t=1)
"About that Garden of Eden thing.... you have been LYING to people for 2000 years... we have come to set the record straight"
Quote from: zorgon on August 29, 2012, 06:12:48 AM
And then, an ET space craft will land in the Vatican Courtyard, and a Reptilian will step out and say..
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTPLkdwAovAbGIAXK3XH42X7tYBcKr3YR68slxdGD_8Sk-JJvkB&t=1)
"About that Garden of Eden thing.... you have been LYING to people for 2000 years... we have come to set the record straight"
You only said a Reppie would do it, because you know we all think they're the bad guys, Zorgon. :P
Protip, guys: If you really want to torture the Reptilians, send them as much love as you possibly can. They absolutely HATE that. You'll hear them scream. ;)
(http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/Vser2.jpg) <3 <3 <3 ;)
i <3 most archaeologists.
If Israel attacks Iran how much of a threat would Iran be when they retaliate ? I mean i hear they are well armed and that they may already have nuclear weapons .... what interests me is who else will get involved will the americans come in on the side of israel and what of china and russia ???? life is good i really hope none of goes down
Z wrote, quote;
QuoteAnd then as people started to learn how to read, the Church EDITED out Books of the Bible...
Now that is the
TRUTH.
The churches
Claiming to be Christian, when in fact are the "
Opposite", sell their bibles (The worlds biggest seller) rather than Look at "
The BOOK of LIFE"
!.
Why ?Because they don't know
WHERE "
The BOOK of LIFE" is nor do they know
HOW to access it either.
So they try to replace
"The BOOK of LIFE" with the bible (A Roman Collection of Greek and Hebrew Writings) only a few of the ancient writings.
actually $-clans haven't hidden out their $weetie dreams (http://www.mda.mil/system/aegis_bmd.html) to assault Russia in the nearest future :)