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From time to time if I happen to capture an interesting photo or something by request, I will post it here.

Sky and I were talking about eggplant so I went up to the local BBQ outside snack bar and had some. The pictures were taken with my cell phone which has no flash and it is dark there so I lightened them up in PS to see better.

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Egg Plant, This tastes a lot better than it might look. I can eat several of them and to be honest, I hate eggplant. Grilling them this way changes the meat and taste so much it makes it worth the trip.

(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/EggPlant.jpg)

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Shrimp, yea, stick a chopstick in it and toss it on the barbie

(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/Shrimp.jpg)

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Outside BBQ Area, not exactly very clean, but very cheap and open on weekends till the sun comes up. I know this fact first hand too many times. Pitchers of beer and snacks with friends all night. whoohoo! By morning this is all packed up and gone and back to being a parking lot for the day shift. Every day it rolls in, sets up and then leaves. They rent the parking lot for the night. Double usage!

(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/OutsideBBQ.jpg)

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Dumpling, Meat filled, might be pork. Wrapped in a rice based bread and then steamed.

(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/Dumpling.jpg)

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Tsingtao, this is the original so we call it old tsingtao, the new one is not as good IMHO. Either way they cost about $1 each and you can get them ice cold or warm. I don't know why but a lot of locals only drink warm beer. Room temp, which today is about 35C. I will take the ice cold ones, thank you.

(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/Tsingtao.jpg)

The night of these photos was an early one, we just stopped by to get the photos. This parking lot has 2 large BBQ vendors and a bunch of small ones. Maybe you think it is crazy but they make a lot of money every night. Their rent for the space ( maybe 200m2) is about $1,500 USD a month. That is a lot of money here for no buliding.
Deuem

Showing that stuff is SO not fair! (yummmmmMMMM!!)

Last time I was in Hong Kong for 2 weeks, I managed to gain 12 lbs!


As you might imagine, I sort of enjoy chinese dishes!  ;)  ;D

Quote from: A51Watcher on August 30, 2012, 06:35:39 AM

Showing that stuff is SO not fair! (yummmmmMMMM!!)

Last time I was in Hong Kong for 2 weeks, I managed to gain 12 lbs!


As you might imagine, I sort of enjoy chinese dishes!  ;) ;D

It is also very interesting to me how they all stay so skinny. I eat the same food!

If some of them walk into me they think the got hit by a truck. I am not that big of a guy, just solid. I can usually pick one up with each arm.  But there is a chance coming. It is called bread.  I have now started to see a lot of fat Chinese people wondering around.
I ask, do you now eat bread, YES, they say, I like being heavy, it is a sign of wealth! I said Ok, in that case there are many, many millionaires in the states. Believe it or not, they are after this look. Maybe that is why they think I am rich! lol

Oh another thing, I have never once tasted anything here that tastes like Chinese food in the States. The ingredients are so different, the taste changes or was changed to meet US taste buds.   Deuem

Deuem,

Nice pics, you have my mouth watering over the
eggplant especially!

Looks delish!
I see some herbs, and what else?

;)

Quote from: burntheships on August 30, 2012, 07:07:39 AM
Deuem,

Nice pics, you have my mouth watering over the
eggplant especially!

Looks delish!
I see some herbs, and what else?

;)

Chopped Onions and garlic. On the onion they use the stalk, not a bulb, so you can see some of it white and some green. I know we have a name for this but I forgot it. These onions put out a very small bulb but a lot of shoots or leaves. You can eat the entire plant less the root hairs. Maybe you call them leaks?

Again I will say, This is the only way I will eat egg plant. Other wise you could not pay me to eat it. This method changes it so much I can't believe it is still egg plant. Very tasty. It has to do with cross cutting or scoring deep the meat of the plant and the very hot heat of the grill. The grill is a wood charcoal grill. Not the pretty nuggets you buy in bags. Add some oil, herbs, onion and garlic and grill till toasty. They also can add very hot peppers if you wish to burn your mouth out. But this is the reason we have beer. Yea, that takes some of the heat away...Or some of the memory, I forgot which one.

Deuem

Forgot 1 thing, that egg plant in the photo served as is, cost me $0.75 USD cents I guess that price is Ok for almost anyone. The beer cost a quarter more.   When you deal on the local level, things are priced to that level. I could go to a fancy restaurant and get a side of eggplant for maybe $5.00 USD. It takes a lot of practice to figure out where to go and what to order. Any newbies seek me out if they want to go off the grid and explore local food. Most of that level food is junk by our standards but there are enough golden ones in the mix to make it worth while.  I still pass on the pig guts and fish heads.  deuem

Quote from: deuem on August 30, 2012, 08:27:29 AM
Maybe you call them leaks?

Scallions

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Scallion.jpg)

Leeks

(http://www.foodsubs.com/Photos/leeks5.jpg)

Potato Leek soup... a real medieval treat :D

(http://thedelidiva.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/potato-leek-soup.jpg)

Quote from: deuem on August 30, 2012, 06:46:35 AM
Oh another thing, I have never once tasted anything here that tastes like Chinese food in the States. The ingredients are so different, the taste changes or was changed to meet US taste buds.   Deuem

Most of the dishes n the US originated from San Francisco when they brought all the Chinese over for working on the railroads and mines.  I think the flavors came about mostly from using local ingredients

Back in Toronto I worked for a couple years in a Chinese takeout store. Ended up there because a friend I met at a one summer surveyors job suggested I go with him when he had to help out with the family business.

It was a lot of fun... and back in the kitchen they ate some of the real Chinese food like those black schrooms and 1000 year old fish :P

After closing my friend used to take me along to the after hours China Town bars... I think he got a kick out of it LOL because back then I had a crew cut and a beige trench coat...  so imagine the effect him taking a whitey looking like me to these laces fr Chinese workers

The first time in one place a Mahjong game was dumped off the tale :P He had to let them know I was okay... it was a lt of fun :D

That was before I started hanging out with the mob LMAO

Quote from: zorgon on August 30, 2012, 09:41:54 AM

... and back in the kitchen they ate some of the real Chinese food like those black schrooms and 1000 year old fish :P

And I think you were sampling the tsing dao beer too!

Cause that's 1000 year old eggs, not fish silly!  ::)  yuuuuuuuuck! LOL

Quote from: deuem on August 30, 2012, 06:30:45 AM
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/Tsingtao.jpg)

Hey can you send me a couple bottles?   ;D

I can get the new stuff here in Vegas but its only 3.3 percent alcohol   :o

(http://www.vegasonlyentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/tsingtao-144x150.jpg)

i usually drink Beck's  my hometown beer :D at 5-6% or Samual Adams when I am serious

Samuel Adams Imperial Stout  9.2%
Samuel Adams Wee Heavy      10.0%
Samuel Adams Imperial White 10.3%
Sam Adams Alpine Spring     5.5%
Sam Adams Noble Pils            4.9%
Sam Adams Triple Bock      17.5%
Sam Adams Double Bock      8.5%

I like Guinness Black Lager but its only 4.5% so we use Sam Adams Triple Bock 17.5% at events :D

Quote from: A51Watcher on August 30, 2012, 09:49:05 AM
Cause that's 1000 year old eggs, not fish silly!  ::)  yuuuuuuuuck! LOL

yeah the 1000 year old eggs tasted great... that old dried fish  not so great. :P Might have the name wrong :D but the young guys were watching me as I took the usual bowl of rice and took some fish... I usually had no problem with any dish but that fish   yuuuuuuuuck!  is an understatement

My friend told me later I didn't lose face... because none of the young Chinese can stomach that either.. So they all had a good laugh at my expense :P

I think that the beer is around 10 o 11 percent. I will have to check the label again. They are all pretty high, even the cheaper ones.

I don't know of a cheap way to send a few of these. It would cost over 100 bucks for a few bottles even if they were empty. It is the US customs fees. $125 for anything that is not a letter.

If A51 flys back to HK, he could stash a few for free in his pack.

I will try to check out both the price and the proof.

1,000 year old eggs are really not that old, it is just a name. But they are pickled in some trash for awhile first. I can't stand them.

Yea it is the scallions on the egg plant, not the leaks.

Deuem

Dumplings...my favorite chinese food..the stuff they call chinese food in the Usa?
Not quite, as Z said, it was altered by the immigrants to appeal to the westerners seking a new style of food.
If we evr cross paths, Dueum, Ill cook you some dumplings...with a bechamel sauce and chooped cilantro..I call it Chinfrenchmex style..hows that for fusion?:-)

Tsingtao? Good stuff there maybe, but here at the sushi house its pretty watery..gimme a newcastle brown and a lobster roll anyday!:-)

Le

Quote from: deuem on August 30, 2012, 05:18:35 PM
I don't know of a cheap way to send a few of these. It would cost over 100 bucks for a few bottles even if they were empty. It is the US customs fees. $125 for anything that is not a letter.

Wow  that is some shipping  :o And they say the world has become smaller  HA

Thanks anyway :D At least I can get Chinese rocks and jewelry without those hefty fees :D Some of them even do free shipping

Ahhh thanks for sharing those pics deuem  8)

You just reminded me how the wifey and I have postponed our trip to Taiwan for a couple of months due to the inflated cost's of air travel over the xmas period.  And how much I miss Taiwan's Night Markets and street food   ;D ;D ;D

The Eggplant looks a lot like a dish I ate here once at Yum Cha.  I had it once at that joint and never seen it again on further visits, maybe I missed the eggplant trolley though :D

I think a lot of the difference in Chinese food outside of China is that the folke who started restaurants back in the 70's were from either Hong Kong or Guangzhou.  Cantonese food :D

Due to immmigration patterns changing and what have you (at least here in Oz) we see a plethora of different regional flavours in Melbourne.  Which I'm sure is quite the same elsewhere in western countrys :D

Will do my best when I'm in taiwan next to post a few pics mate... you inspired me ;)



 



 

Quote from: deuem on August 30, 2012, 08:27:29 AM
The grill is a wood charcoal grill. Not the pretty nuggets you buy in bags.

It may sound strange, but one of the reasons I like Summer is the smell of the charcoal from the grills someone always use on weekends. I love that smell. :)

Deuem

wow.. thanks for the travel lunch..that was cool

i think we here need a better blend of that kind of thing here
..but i am sure the health dept and
the irs and lord know how else would make them fill out forms till they croaked first..lol

Quote from: ArMaP on August 30, 2012, 11:54:08 PM
It may sound strange, but one of the reasons I like Summer is the smell of the charcoal from the grills someone always use on weekends. I love that smell.

Not strange at all, Most men love the fire burning and smoke smells. Brings us back to some early roots. If I cook at home, I only like to cook outside. Flame and beef! Whoo hoo! Beer and Ice, Whoo hoo. How the two opposites attract so well. Go figure.

This wood looking charcoal I am talking about, I think they make it some how by processing regular wood. I don't think they did it up. That type of charcoal goes to the electric plants and I have never seen it used for cooking. The bagged stuff, once in a Blue moon you can find it so I have two days this month to look for it. Even if you find it, there is never any starter fluid so starting this charcoal is real tough to do. Need a wood fire under it, then add the coals.

Sky, I am sure it can be made to meet any rules in the states. Look at all of the country fairs, they BBQ outside all the time. You would have a harder time getting the beer license. Here anyone sells beer. It is in every store that sells soda or water. Some beers are cheaper than water in bottles. Makes me think the beer has fake water. LOL

Deuem

Deuem

there was a great chinese place that opened near by.. buffet and possibly anything you could name
really good tastes and flavors
the very sad part is that within 6 months it had become americanized and lost all of those good flavors to salt and fat...
boo hoo.. :'(
so i only go when they open a new place..hahahahahahahah

yeah the rib cook off guys are in pgh this weekend....one time down there was enough for me
http://www.southparkrib.com/
too many people in one place..lol...i like my peoples in smaller numbers..


food - the universal language...yum

8)

Robot Turds is the term I read on a forum not so long ago :D   ;D

A new one I would like some brave souls to try. BBQ Bananas.

Get out the BBQ grill. Clean a banana well, ( you will be eating the entire banana )

Get grill nice and toasty red hot coals. Oil the banana skin with your favorite oil. Place banana on grill and turn often. The skin should turn black quickly. The inside will get hot and soft. If you have a nice thin Stainless plate, you can cook it on the plate so you will not get any lines.

When you feel it is done, Remove banana, slice it length ways so it opens up. Do not cut through to the other skin, just one side of the skin and the banana. If you wish to add any extra flavors, do so at this time to the inside and put back on grill to seep in. On the outside you could have added flavors with the oil also.

When done place on cutting board and cut slices. ½ inch long are ok. This time across the bananas and all the way through. The parts should now look like a small Pac Man.  Re-align the parts on a white long plate and garnish the outside with something that looks good. We use bright tree leaves and a few slices of red pepper, uncooked. This is decoration only.

You may at this time add anything you want. I would add mixed fruit and then a line of whipped cream on top. Sort of a hot/cold banana BBQ Sunday. Ice cream is also Ok.  Now if you cooked the banana, peal and all to a good flavor, we then eat the entire thing. Peal and all. Each Pac-Man section one at a time in the mouth. Bite size sections.

You will need to practice cooking the banana as a whole several times until you get it right. It should be a nice shinny black when cooked right. Not burnt. If cooked right the peal softens up nicely and then has a good ( lets say different ) taste. it took us a small bunch to get it down pat. We never had one blow up yet so if worried then score it length wise to release the pressure.

At this time you can eat it peal and all or just scoop out the banana and goodies.

The brave will try the peal the rest will go "no way will I eat that"

The peal is reported to have 5 good things for the blood. I am sure you can look them up. But if you smoke it should help your blood get cleaned out a little. Anti-Oxidants? Something like that..

There you go Deuem BBQ Bananas for the grill... Oh, no salt....Sugar or spices are OK. We made one so hot no one could eat it. So I tend to stay on the sweet side now.

And don't blame me if you get an urge to swing from a tree......Deuem

 
McDonalds just put out a double hamburger with 2 hotdogs on it. I will try and get a photo. Does any one else have these? The cost for the meal is about 4 dollars US.

In my area you can almost bar hop from a McDonalds to a McDonalds. Worse yet for me there is now one within walking distance and they already know me by name. ALL 3 SHIFTS.

Forget the diet, again!......Deuem

(http://cdn.emergingmoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/mcdonalds-china-arches.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-070BDF2GCeg/UUZl0qdwO9I/AAAAAAAAUdM/QfTSg6nywyk/s1600/mcdonalds-china-double-beef-sausage-burger.jpg)

Do they use real meat in China or the same 'edible soy meal meat substitute' that we get here (with 10% real meat) :P

WOW  this picture screams PROPAGANA :P

Red Army Marches on American Food!!!


(http://static7.businessinsider.com/image/4aeecba800000000005f4f1e/china-mcdonalds.jpg)

McDonald's China Raises Prices On Everything

QuoteMcDonald's just announced a price hike on almost everything, according to China Daily (via Shanghaiist):

The price of Chicken McNuggets (5 pieces) was raised to 8 yuan ($1.19) from the previous 6 yuan, spicy McWings was raised to 9 yuan from 7 yuan, and a milkshake now costs 12 yuan instead of 9.5 yuan.

It also raised the price of hamburgers, french fries, chicken wings, and most combos, excluding Chicken McNugget combos. The price hikes were between 0.5 yuan to 2 yuan.

The price hike was a "structural adjustment" in line with the company's overall strategy, a spokesman told Beijing Times -- in other words denying any relation to soaring food price inflation in China. It is the fourth price hike since July 2010.

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-07-19/news/29979471_1_price-hike-yuan-food-price-inflation

Welcome to CAPITALISM :P

Zorgon,

I don't know what meat they use here, I can only say that the burgers taste the same as they do everywhere. The french fries are better because of the oil they use. In the states they changed it and they lack thet real greasey taste of good blood clotting oil.

That guy in the photo looks likes he wants to be first in line. They love McDs here, they are everywhere.

I will have to try that meat and dog combo and report on it.

Deuem

I think the picture speaks for itself. (http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/HuhStraight.jpg) (http://s1198.photobucket.com/user/deuem/media/HuhStraight.jpg.html)

So can I rent a car over there and just drive around sight seeing?

;D

I mean they have all those neat highways with no cars on them

(http://images.china.cn/attachement/gif/site1007/20080604/0011432109fb09b046e61c.gif)

LOVE the traffic jams :P

(http://imageshack.us/a/img139/1656/39022085.jpg)

I have never seen a car rental place. Maybe at the airport or in the Major cities. Most visitors use cabs. Last time I asked they will not let you drive on an international Drivers licence. So I guess a local would have to rent and drive the car. Did you check out the arrows in the picture I posted.

By the way the second on/off ramp looks very familiar. I think I know where it is. This entire road was designed by a Chinese engineer that studied in America. When you are on this road and see no signs, it is hard to remember you are in China. Very few roads have those galvenized rails.

Deuem

Quote from: zorgon on April 02, 2013, 08:15:55 PM
WOW  this picture screams PROPAGANA :P

Red Army Marches on American Food!!!


(http://static7.businessinsider.com/image/4aeecba800000000005f4f1e/china-mcdonalds.jpg)

McDonald's China Raises Prices On Everything

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-07-19/news/29979471_1_price-hike-yuan-food-price-inflation

Welcome to CAPITALISM :P

Actually a very funny one for you from someone *That* has money invested in China, and has strong ties to Japan.  True story this ;)

When Japan bought the islands that were reported worldwide just recently, "a former sorta boss colleague of the company I used to work for" was telling me how a factory across the road story in China was Torched in racial rage if you get my drift... only because it was a Japanese owned company. 

Things you won't here on NEWS yet are very real :D

 

Hay Deuem have you had much Hakka Food in china ?

My wife's mother is of Hakka Decent and its about one of my most fave food's in Taiwan which is sorta silly really as I love all the food.  But I always recall the Hakka food as something special.   :)

Quote from: Somamech on April 13, 2013, 05:59:32 PM
Hay Deuem have you had much Hakka Food in china ?

My wife's mother is of Hakka Decent and its about one of my most fave food's in Taiwan which is sorta silly really as I love all the food.  But I always recall the Hakka food as something special.   :)

If I did, I don't remember it by this name. I will have to ask my wife. To me if it tastes good, I eat it, Tastes bad I leave it. I will ask.

On the Islands, that time was a lot of fun here. There is still a huge mistrust for them. Actually a lot of hate. Can't say I blame them for what they did to the local population during WW2. I know people that lost every person in the family except just one. I never realized exactly how far the invasion went. Even down south where I am they were inland another 50 plus miles from where I am. At my wifes home there are still signs of dugouts for machine guns and snippers in the mountains to repell them from getting into the farm lands.

Many other cultures come here and treat the people as third class sort of under their feet deal. In reality the magority of the population are very people fine indeed. If you respect them, they love it and respect you back. The way all of us should be. Cultural differences are the hardest thing to break. We should all get a book on the dos and don'ts. lol

I wanted to pass this info along.

Seems bad news travels fast but this is something that could happen to anyone so be warned before reading on.

Yesterday over the Chinese backstage Iphone internet a story came across where 2 very young childred had died. I only pass this along because it could happen to anyone. It is a freak accident but I have one also.

Two very young children in a well afforded home appearently have been watching mommy do the laundry. Children were around 1 and 2 years old. The family has a top load front control panel washing machine. The kids pulled a chair to the front of the machine and some how crawled in and activated the machine while falling inside. The machine did what it is supoused to do and filled up with water and started up. Both childred drowned in the freak accident.

Now, both parents were home at the time. mom in the kitchen, dad watching TV and grandma in the next room. At some point in time Dad aked mom why are you doing laundry now? When they went into the bathroom to find out, they found the 2 children in the tub dead.

Very sad indeed. I have this same type of machine. I can now see exactly how it could happen. Just tap any key and it starts up with the last set of instructions. It is a chiklet key pad with a plastic waterproff cover. Very easy, no preasure needed. So this seems like it could happen to anyone so if you have small children remember they like to drag chairs around and investigate places. The 2 year old probably helped the 1 year old.

I have no childred that would fit in my machine now but I did change the plug socket anyways. It now has an on/off switch at the plug now so no misfires can be done at the washing machine front board. Unplugging it would work also but who would do that everytime.

Suggest never to buy a machine like this if you are planning to have childred, get a rear mount control system. One where you have to close the top to even see the controls. pass it on to friends. I don't want this to happen to any peggy people. Remember, all parents were home and considered to be be upscale people. It is a freak accident that can happen again. Be careful.......

Sorry for the bad news,

Deuem

Thanks for the heads up Deuem,

Sad to say, children and curiousity gets them in the worst
of situations.  :'(

I remember as a child doing the most dangersous things
not knowing it, even hiding in old fridges in the barn
and playing in the hen house too at grandmoms.

Life is so precious, its good to keep all bases covered,
good on you for taking it in your own hands.

I have never seen one of those top-load machines, so I went looking for some, and all those I found had the panel on the farther side of the machine, not on the front, and the lid opens from the front, so the panel is hidden by the lid when opened.

I guess you have to look a little deeper. Mine is a Samsung. It is a top loader with the keypad on the top front, right in front of the hole. The lid folds open in half. It is very effecient to use but now seems very dangerous to small childred. This type of machine is all over China. I have not seen them any other way. The keypad is covered with a plastic membrane and even plays a song when it is done.

Looking at the machine it is easy to see how this accident can happen. Matter of fact the start button is the largest one on the panel and it will just run what ever you did last. These machines are not very large compared to American washing machines and the cost goes from 1,500 to 5,000 rmb.

I always leave the lid open and play basketball with the dirty clothes as I am walking by. No one uses bleach here so everything gets washed together as long as there are no reds. Years ago my maid turned 6 or 7 of my best white shirts into pink shirts. Opps, there went 100USD a shirt and needless to say I have no white shirts left and no maid.

Basicaly this can happen to any child who is interested in exploring hidden places. Just be carreful if you have one.

Deuem

It just went from 40C to 15C almost over night. Have not seen that happen here before.
Thats from about 105F to 58F. Hunny, where did we pack the winter clothes?
The good part, it cleared up all the fog and I can see the mountains once again. The very tops are cloud covered this morning at about 3,200 meters. That one large mountain has a 3,000 meter straight cliff and I can see about 2,000 meters of it today. deuem needs a telescope to see it better. getting old and the eyes are also.

Deuem

Quote from: deuem on September 28, 2013, 04:13:15 AM
I guess you have to look a little deeper.

I looked again, at more sites with washing machines, and I only see machines like the one on this page (http://www.whirlpool.pt/productos/roupa/maquinas-de-lavar-roupa/maquina-de-lavar-roupa-de-carga-superior-6kg-1200rpm-awe-8640).

Luckily, I don't have any children, I don't think I would be a good father. :(

Anyone else see this today


Seeking a cure for the hangover? Scientists say, 'Sprite'     (http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/.MVIOI4llejAF.CN5uDC7A--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/news/2013-10-09/740569cc-6b7c-4deb-9548-223475362da9_spritebanner.jpg)  .   Sprite banner (image: Coca-Cola)    Mike Krumboltz, Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/author/mike-krumboltz-20110327/)          Most of us have been there. An evening of booze-fueled revelry morphs into a morning of nausea and regret. What's a hangover-stricken body to do?

In the past, those with experience on the subject, like your college roommate, have suggested the copious consumption of herbal teas. Now, Chinese scientists have declared that a swig of Sprite (http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/2013/10/alcohol-hangover-cure) might be just what the doctor ordered.

The group of researchers from Sun Yat-Sen University in Guangzhou conducted a series of experiments and found that hangovers are caused "not by the ethanol itself, but by ethanol's first metabolite, acetaldehyde," Chemistry World (http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/2013/10/alcohol-hangover-cure) explained. 

That means avoid herbal teas, because they have been found to increase the "activity of ADH, thus accelerating the metabolism of ethanol into toxic acetaldehyde, whilst also inhibiting ALDH, reducing acetaldehyde removal," according to Chemistry World.

In other words, herbal teas might make your hangover worse because they speed up the creation of acetaldehyde.
Sprite and soda water, on the other hand, "markedly increased ALDH activity, thus promoting the rapid break-down of acetaldehyde and could minimise the harmful effects of drinking alcohol."

Chemistry World spoke with Edzard Ernst (http://edzardernst.com/about/), an expert in medicinal science from the University of Exeter in the U.K. He called the findings interesting and a reminder that "herbal and other supplements can have pharmacological activities that can both harm and benefit our health." Ernst also stressed that the findings will need to be replicated.

Any volunteers?  Deuem is first in line.   Now this school I know very well, it is located about 20 minutes from where I just moved from. They had all those years to do testing on deuem and they wait fo me to leave.   By the way if anyone does drink Green tea, try it cold, mixed half and half with orange juice. You get a better bank for the buck because the OJ lets the good stuff in the tea enter you blood stream very quick at a very high percentage than just on its own. Now if I only liked green tea, I like red tea. Alo called black tea.   I have seen many drunken friends drink down several water glasses of Green tea after drinking hard and it makes it worse. I have another local made vodka type drink @40%. If you drink about 60ml first and then go out drinking, you have no hangover. It is made from a local fruit, Lechee. I have tested this many times.   Ok Sprite in the second emergenct fridge just in case the lechee does not work.....   Deuem

Hey Deuem il give it a try thanks.
You say soda water too?

Yes on the soda water if you have no sprite.  Now, for the record, the Sprite here is not the same as it is at home. At home the Sprite is sweeter. Once in awhile you can get an original can. The Chinese don't like sweets like we do. Where we add sugar to things, they add salt or soy. Even getting sugar for your coffee can be difficult. You must ask most of the time. Ice water is in that same group, can't find it unless I'm home. Water given to you is either room temp or very hot, even on a 100 degree day.

Try the Sprite and see if it helps and report back in...

I hear China has issues with females and doesn't want anymore..

Well send them to Pegasus :D  We will find a use for them :P


Pegasus Strike Force - Cadets 2014

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Quote from: zorgon on October 11, 2013, 03:17:49 AM
I hear China has issues with females and doesn't want anymore..

Well send them to Pegasus :D  We will find a use for them :P


Pegasus Strike Force - Cadets 2014

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yes sir, we welcome their outcasts; always a place for those seeking a chance to advance in life and willing to help with the chores and the paperwork...


seeker

Quote from: zorgon on October 11, 2013, 03:17:49 AM
I hear China has issues with females and doesn't want anymore..

Well send them to Pegasus :D  We will find a use for them :P


Pegasus Strike Force - Cadets 2014

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Yes, life can be very hard here. deuem, sing "My brown eyed girl" again [swoon] deuem let me rub your back, Oh no, let me do it, [cat fight] Ok, there is enough of deuem to go around. Such a life.

People hire these girls for protection. The Chinese guard. It will cost you about 8,000 USD a month for the service for 1. They are trained in martial arts and the warfare of protecting the rich. Not a cheap body guard. The one bab laws have set the girls back a lot. Some of the school classes are over 80% boys. So you know when they get to age they will be seeking a wife. Watch out! They will be on the move and buy the states to take the women. Nothing worst that 500 million horney men. I guess that is as good of a reason as oil wars..lol

Quote from: deuem on October 11, 2013, 04:08:53 AM
Nothing worst that 500 million horney men.

501 millions?  ;D

Quote from: ArMaP on October 11, 2013, 09:23:32 AM
501 millions?  ;D

Sorry, 501 million + ArMap...lol

deuem

Quote from: deuem on October 11, 2013, 04:08:53 AM

Yes, life can be very hard here. deuem, sing "My brown eyed girl" again [swoon] deuem let me rub your back, Oh no, let me do it, [cat fight] Ok, there is enough of deuem to go around. Such a life.

People hire these girls for protection. The Chinese guard. It will cost you about 8,000 USD a month for the service for 1. They are trained in martial arts and the warfare of protecting the rich. Not a cheap body guard. The one bab laws have set the girls back a lot. Some of the school classes are over 80% boys. So you know when they get to age they will be seeking a wife. Watch out! They will be on the move and buy the states to take the women. Nothing worst that 500 million horney men. I guess that is as good of a reason as oil wars..lol

That is a question/statement I have made many times:what are they going to do when they wake up someday and there aren't any females left in China?
Answer: go looking elsewhere...

Yes, I can see this leading to a lot of conflict...


seeker

Thankyou I will store that image in my internal mental cinema.
I belive it may be of some use from time to time. :o

Awh, Mr Seeker, your a smart person.. Of cource this is going to happen sooner than later.. They treat the boys like GOLD that is another problem. Spoiled Rotten. Girls tossed out in the Hospital or other places (abortion) not because of defects, just no penis... The re-cycle of girls is very high. I think at least 30%, maybe more. The law is needed for population and I have heard they are now letting up a little on the girls and might change it to 1 boy. So you could have up to 2 girls and then a boy. If you have a third girl, you stop and get tied off.
Deuem

For the Wild Bill

My first real Chinese wood working tool. A wooden block plane. Posted for any wood workers. Once you get used to it you can shave with it. I like the pull handle which is one rod that you can bang out. Back to basics for me.......

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Deuem

It seem that every country has its own PWM.

enjoy

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deuemd, Great Thread.
I really wish I could upload my pictures from my computer to here.
No, I used photo-bucket before and was very disappointed with the two (2) virus's I got after my account was hacked.
No ones fault here, I won't use that program again.

American fast food chain in China, The service is not So Fast! I know we had a one hour & forty-five minute wait for our Pizza we want to take with us on the train in Beijing back to Harbin, that was a little over 12 hours of YEA, Look At The Big American On The Train!
All the school kids came up and practiced their English on me. There was this
little girl about 7 or 8 that just kept staring at my Face :-\
My wife finally ask her in Mandarin, What are you staring at? The little girl got embarrassed and pointed at my Big Mustache and asked if it was Real or was I Deceased! :o :D :D
They don't see much of that there and it did take my wife years to get use to it,,,, it's Tickles  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D!!!!!!! You Know 8)

They also kept looking at my feet, I ware a size 14 triple E shoe but I was wearing my Harley Boots that year (2004).

deuemd, I'm sure you've been on their trains, Very Narrow Tracks and the sleeper cars :o Well,,, if you're six foot or better and wear a 56 shirt You Are Not Going To Fit and That Two Inch Thick Mattress ::) Come- On!!
OK, So, there's four bunks and there's just the two of you, Not to worry, you're not going to be Lonely!!
You Have Compartment guest, the guys on one side and the girls on the other. No Hanky Panky, Nasty American! :'(
OK, evey one brings there own food for the trip and of-course, this is China, it's time to Share!
Before you eat, it off to the bathroom,,, Great, brush your teeth and do your business, Right?
You wait in line for a sink and then Remember to bring your own Toilet Paper and Squat Over The Hole! ??? :o ;D
Wait in line to wash your hands and then eat!
I wish I had pictures!!!
   

Again, American Fast Food Places that Chinese People are Finally Accepting, One is my favorite there, I go with my
Old Buddies From The Basement,,,,( don't ask ) when ever we're in Beijing.
Now, it took the local Chinese awhile to accept Hooters, they were not to Happy about having their young Ladies
dress in so Little Clothing and Dancing in a Public Place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cbMLeeV1ww
OOOOPPPPSS Sorry, That wasn't it was it!! ??? :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVHCC6qyTos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuKQxOxd0xw
Yes, I like Shanghi too, it's just a little Humid in the summer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wF5kD3iagA

I think I have taken almost every type of transportation they have here. Would have to make a list. But that hole in the train I took was exactly that a hole right through to the outside. If a kid fell in it he/she would have been on the tracks.  I do love the new bullet trains. They get an OMG from me. It was the highest tech train I have ever been on. What is the matter with the USA and trains?


 

Ok, I have to share with you another stupid Deuem moment in china. 

When I first got here I was introduced to many people. A lot of them I would add the phone numbers to my phone. There is a name here they use that sounds to us like "IE". Over several months I had been introduced to many women named IE. So I presummed this was a name like John Smith or Joe Blow. Some standard name off the shelf.

Some where along the line I stopped and had to ask a translator. "Please tell me, why are there so many women in China with the name IE?"

She looked at me and said " IE is not her name it is her title. IE stands for maid"

Ok living in a hotel at the time, guess how many IEs I got to know. lol

Basicaly here in China people are mostly called by what they do while in public. I'm glad I don't have the septic tank cleaning job!

Deuem

Beijing....


Spent 7 Days in Beijing this time in China.

Would I live in Beijing ?

NO.

Oh by the way, that dim glow up there on the left, is the Sun   :(

I appreciate the NZ environment even more than ever now.   :)

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on January 05, 2014, 06:20:21 AM
Beijing....

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That's a good photo for Deuem, with all those shades of white. :)

I still have a very, very sore throat, from when I was in Beijing 4 weeks ago, from the effects of air pollution.
Skin stung all day and went red. Eyes stung from what was probably Nitrogen oxide... and on the second day
throat became very, very sore....

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on January 05, 2014, 12:29:25 PM
I still have a very, very sore throat, from when I was in Beijing 4 weeks ago, from the effects of air pollution.

On my previous post I was thinking if I should tell you this or not, now I think I should.

A childhood friend of my boss went to Beijing some two years ago and came back with complaints like those, with throat and nose problems, and he was diagnosed some kind of unusual cancer one year later, from which he died six months or so after.

Although I don't like going to the doctor (I went on November, more than 20 years after my last visit ;D ), I think you should get that throat checked.

I don't think it is that bad Matrix, You can still see the cars. When it tis really bad you can't. Don't forget that they are one of the few cities in China that also get sand storms from the nearby desert. Silicone in the air. Nobody gave you a face mask? So forgetting you for a moment, hows the other half doing? Was she there also and is she OK?

Snort some salted water, 5ml per clean 100ml  water. That will kill anything in the nose and top of throat  then some boiled ginger root in cola will clean you right up. If not check it out.

I guess ArMaP wants me to process the photo so I will be back soon.

Deuem

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Quote from: deuem on January 05, 2014, 01:54:04 PM
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Thanks. :)

Thanks Deuem and ArMaP

The other 1/2 also has the same complaint as well as my mother in-law who came with us to NZ.  :(

Face masks were quite commonly seen in Beijing.. Hell I would hate to be there on a bad day...   :o

I saw the dust over everything... not a particularly clean city...

Being from NZ I guess I am just used to a much cleaner environment, even though we also have
some environmental issues, but not serious. Something has and is being done.

We still have fracking done in NZ though and strip mining... we all protest about.

We are still anti nuclear which is good but at the same time atomic sterilising has been used
in the past, for hospital support equipment clothing and food in the past.
I suspect the practice is still being used but don't quote me.
I will find out if it is still the case when I get a moment.  8)

The country is very dusty. two reasons People flakes and sand storms come off the mountains and deserts from out west. Only when it rains do we ever get pease from the dog days you pictured. I have never seen it as bad here yet but that huge mountain out back has only been clear for a few days since I have been here. They gotta wake up and stop burning plastic, using so many smokey fireworks and stop all the diesel trucks and busses that pour out black smoke so hard you can't see them if they are in front of you.
Just those 3 would eliminate a lare portion of the problem. For the "White wall guys" that are reading this, you gotta do something about the trucks and busses. That problem can be solved with a simple tune up and the cost of about $100 USD. Pull them off the road till they get fixed. They are killing us. Every day my SUV is covered in dust and oil. WHY? It is parked and I have to wash it every day if I want to keep it clean. If I ride my motocycle I come home with a black face covered in oil. FUN! One learns not to get behind busses anymore. There you die.
Deuem

Traditional Chinese Girls


8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_Eiy6uOFOU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_Eiy6uOFOU

Ok, You're gonna have to sign up for Chinese lessons from now on. The word is out.

Yes, that's the rumor now. The China government has stopped all English testing now until the 8th grade. And it might even be an optional class then. Currently is mandatory from 2nd grade on.

The rumor is that since the USA is no longer the Number one country in the world then why follow them. They are saying if you want to business here, speak Chinese. They are in the lead and showing it to the world. Just look around the local sea here. They are now acting like we used too.

Oil is purchased in RMB, not dollars like it was, so that advantage is gone for good.

So I would like to take this moment to thank all the elite who forced and transplanted all our work to China and made us a second class country while they made more money than they could count. Thank You.

I would also like to thank the US government for helping out and giving them tax breaks to do it. It is a wonderful thing you did for the Chinese at the expense of the American people.

So toss out your forks and knifes, grab a hold of some chopsticks and learn Chinese.

All those ghost cities are for the few Americans that are left over after the elite get finished with you. You too can learn how to be a farm hand and plant rice here or be a maid. Good jobs if you can get them.

One last thing, when ever the USD and the RMB get to an equal footing like 1:1, we are cooked.. They will buy the United States right from under your noses. They are already doing it now, but only the super rich. Wait till the local guy here buys your city and kicks you out.

They have a plan, we have? what, McDonald's!

Still want to buy at Walmarts? Go ahead, give them your last buck so they can spend it here.

Can you find anything in any store made in the USA. On my last trip home, I could not find anything.

Can we sell them our beef, NO.  mad cow, Smokes, no, Milk, no, Weapons, no they have the plans already. Ships, nope, Steel, maybe junk steel. Soda, nope, all made here. Fords, nope, made here. Is anything coming back in those big containers except money? Maybe they are empty of goods, while other smart countries have a law that trade must be balanced. We don't give a hoot as long as it is cheap and dances with stars is on tonight.

Ask your leaders to help? Can't do that they all change when they get in office. Protest, no they lock you up now, Complain, no they put you on no fly lists and ban all gov contracts. Do you know that a record number of Americans are now giving up their citizenship! and growing.

What is going on America. we were number one once..........

I should imagine the decline of the US has been specifically engineered by the Globaist Powers.

Dr. Beter forewarned of the Collapse of the Dollar and decline in US standard.

well this may slow down chinese purchasing of american ..or not
my question is what are they going to do next...2006 to now...long time ...


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-to-announce-first-criminal-charges-against-foreign-country-for-cyberspying/2014/05/19/586c9992-df45-11e3-810f-764fe508b82d_story.html


Chinese military unit charged with cyber-espionage against U.S. firms

The Washington Post's Ellen Nakashima breaks down the significance of the Justice Department's decision to charge the Chinese military with cyber-espionage against American companies.
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The Justice Department on Monday accused five members of the Chinese military of conducting economic cyber-espionage against American companies, marking the first time that the United States has leveled such criminal charges against a foreign country.

Industries targeted by the alleged cyberspying ranged from nuclear to steel to solar energy, officials said. The hacking by a military unit in Shanghai, they said, was conducted for no other reason than to give a competitive advantage to Chinese companies, including state-owned enterprises.

In a statement he read at a news conference, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said: "The range of trade secrets and other sensitive business information stolen in this case is significant and demands an aggressive response. .?.?. Success in the international marketplace should be based solely on a company's ability to innovate and compete, not on a sponsor government's ability to spy and steal business secrets."

[Read: Here are the five members of Chinese military charged with cyber-espionage.]

Holder said the Obama administration "will not tolerate actions by any nation that seeks to illegally sabotage American companies and undermine the integrity of fair competition in the operation of the free market."

In response, China's Foreign Ministry charged Monday that the U.S. government "fabricated facts" in the indictment, which it said "seriously violates basic norms of international relations and damages Sino-U.S. cooperation and mutual trust." It said China lodged a "protest" with the United States, urging it to "correct the error immediately and withdraw its so-called prosecution."

Foreign Ministry Spokesman Qin Gang denied in a statement that Chinese government, military and "associated personnel" have ever engaged in "the theft of trade secrets through cyber means." Qin called the U.S. accusations "purely fictitious, extremely absurd."

Contrary to U.S. claims, "China is the victim of U.S. theft and cyber-surveillance," Qin said.

In retaliation, the statement said, "China has decided to suspend the activities of Sino-U.S. Cyber Working Group." It left open the prospect of "further reaction" in the case.

The indictment against members of the People's Liberation Army follows vows by senior administration officials to hold other nations to account for computer theft of intellectual property from American industry.

China is widely seen as the nation that has been most aggressive in waging cyber-espionage against the United States.

Holder said a federal grand jury in Pittsburgh returned an indictment against five members of a Chinese military unit in a Shanghai building, accusing them of conspiring together and with others to hack into the computers of six US. entities. Named in the case as defendants were Wang Dong, Sun Kailiang, Wen Xinyu, Huang Zhenyu and Gu Chunhui, all officers of Unit 61398 of the 3rd Department of the People's Liberation Army. Wang is also known as UglyGorilla, his hacker handle. Gu used the alias KandyGoo and Sun was also known as Jack Sun, prosecutors said.

Victimized by the cyberspying were Westinghouse Electric Co., Alcoa, Allegheny Technologies Inc., United States Steel, the United Steel Workers Union and SolarWorld, officials said. Alcoa is the largest aluminum company in the United States, and U.S. Steel is the nation's largest steel company.

The indictment alleges that in some cases the hackers stole trade secrets that would have been particularly beneficial to Chinese companies. For example, it alleges that an Oregon producer of solar panel technology, SolarWorld, was rapidly losing market share to Chinese competitors who were systematically pricing exports well below production costs. At the same time, defendant Wen stole thousands of files containing cost and pricing information from the company, the indictment says.

It also alleges that while Westinghouse Electric, a Pennsylvania nuclear power plant manufacturer, was negotiating with a Chinese company over the construction of four power plants in China, defendant Sun stole confidential design specifications for pipes, pipe supports and pipe routing for those plants — information that would enable any competitor looking to build a similar plant to save on research and development costs.

Each of the defendants was charged with 31 counts for alleged offenses between 2006 and 2014. If convicted, they would face decades in prison. However, they are at large in China, U.S. officials acknowledged, and there is virtually no chance that the Chinese government would turn them over to U.S. authorities.

The five were indicted on May 1, and the indictment was unsealed Sunday and docketed Monday morning, officials said.

In addition to Holder, officials participating in a news conference to announce the charges included John Carlin, assistant attorney general for national security; David Hickton, the U.S. attorney for the Western District of Pennsylvania, based in Pittsburgh; and Robert Anderson, executive associate director of the FBI.

The charges are being brought in western Pennsylvania, where several companies that were allegedly victimized are located.

"This case should serve as a wakeup call" on the seriousness of the ongoing cyber threat, Holder said.

Carlin said that in the past, Chinese government officials have challenged the United States to produce charges that could stand up in a court of law.

"Well, today we are," he said.

"To be clear, this conduct is criminal," Carlin said.

"This 21st century burglary has to stop," Hickton said. "Hacking, spying and cyberthreats for commercial advantage can and will be prosecuted criminally even when the defendants are state actors."

In response to a question, Hickton said, "This cyber hacking leads directly to the loss of jobs here in the United States."

In 2012, the Justice Department's National Security Division began training hundreds of prosecutors to combat and prosecute cyber-espionage that poses a threat to national security. Later that year, Carlin, then principal deputy assistant attorney general, told Defense News that "you'll see a case brought."

Even if a prosecution never materializes, the indictment will send a powerful message that such acts will not be tolerated, officials said.

Estimates of the economic costs to the United States of commercial cyber-espionage range from $24 billion to $120 billion annually. China is by far the country that engages in the most such activity against the United States, according to a U.S. national intelligence estimate.

Senior U.S. officials have repeatedly warned China that its continued pilfering of intellectual property to benefit its industries will harm the two countries' bilateral relationship.

In February 2013, the U.S. security firm Mandiant reported that it had linked a specific unit of the People's Liberation Army to cyber-intrusions of more than 140 U.S. and foreign companies and entities.

The United States and China agreed last year to begin holding regular, high-level talks on cybersecurity and commercial espionage. But whenever U.S. officials raise the issue of economic spying, the Chinese are not receptive, administration officials said. Though Washington takes pains to distinguish between foreign intelligence gathering and spying to help a country's own industries gain an economic advantage, officials say that is a distinction without a difference to the Chinese.

The leaks from former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden beginning last June have only complicated the talks. Beijing has pointed to disclosures by Snowden of vast NSA surveillance activities — including spying on Chinese companies — to assert that the United States is the greater aggressor in the area.

The U.S. charges are likely to be seen in China as a major action, said Jin Canrong, vice director of international studies at Beijing's Renmin University. "In the past, the U.S. talked about it but never took any real actions. If the U.S. freezes some Chinese military assets as a result of this, China will respond with counteractions accordingly."

How negatively it affects U.S.-China relations depends on what further actions the White House takes beyond the criminal charges, Jin said. But in China, he noted, there is a feeling of hypocrisy whenever the United States brings up such charges, especially in light of the recent NSA leaks. "The U.S. has been doing the same thing," he said.

"This case has been under preparation for a year," said Bonnie S. Glaser, a senior Asia expert at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies who meets frequently with military-related and state-sponsored academics in China. The United States is now resorting to such charges because nothing else has worked diplomatically, she said. President Obama has raised the issue repeatedly with Chinese President Xi Jinping in meetings.

"The Chinese have ignored U.S. requests to stop stealing U.S. companies' intellectual property. The U.S. believes it is necessary to impose consequences for China's actions," she said.

"Since Snowden's revelations, the Chinese have ridiculed U.S. charges that it is stealing [intellectual property]. I expect they will call this U.S. action hypocritical and dismiss it out of hand," she added.

"The difference between stealing intelligence and company secrets is lost on the Chinese," she said. "Both are considered fair game and an essential means to accelerate China's reemergence as a great power."

At the same time, China has used recent disclosures on NSA surveillance for maximum diplomatic effect to push back against U.S. accusations of cyberattacks. Among the most damaging revelations was a report in March that the NSA infiltrated Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei Technologies to see whether it was spying for Beijing and to turn its equipment against other countries, such as Iran.

In recent years, U.S. officials have made the distinction between cyberspying for national security and cyber-intrusions into private companies for economic theft, which the United States says it does not do but which it accuses China of doing all the time. The Huawei case, while not a theft for economic advantage, showed the U.S. government infiltrating a private Chinese company.

In response, China seized the opportunity for role reversal, demanding an explanation from the United States

"China has lodged complaints to the United States about this many times. We urge the U.S. side to make a clear explanation and stop this kind of acts," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said in March.

Since last year's NSA revelations, China has also shown increasing concerns about its own cybersecurity.

Demonstrating how seriously its leaders take the threat, Xi personally took charge of a new government body earlier this year overseeing China's cybersecurity and vowed to turn China into a "cyber-power," according to state-run media.

In the most recent example of such growing worries, a high-ranking Chinese Internet official said Sunday that China must intensify its security efforts, warning that "hostile forces abroad" are using cyberspace as a major channel to "infiltrate China."

Douglas Paal, a former National Security Council official now at Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said he expects that many Chinese will view the prosecution "as one of Washington's ways to get back at China for recent pushes against Japan, the Philippines, and Vietnam."

Paal added: "It will take some time to get people to accept that this is about commercial theft, and not something else. .?.?. The Chinese are still enjoying their luck at having the Snowden revelations to distract public attention from the U.S. argument against commercial espionage. That is not likely to change soon."