I Posted this in Linda's area and I think it goes well here too.
In Browns 1st patent # 300,311 Brown states " linear force or motion which is believed to be independent of all frames of reference save that which is at rest relative to the universe taken as a whole, and said linear force or motion is furthermore believed to have no equal and opposite reaction that can be observed by any method commonly known and accepted by physical science to date."
Here Brown states that it violates Special Relativity, and violates Newton's 3rd law of motion. But does it truly violates SR...........Well let's investigate further.
Mason Rose in his " The Flying Saucer" article says " This field [Electrogravity] acts like a wave, with the negative pole at the top of the wave and the positive pole at the bottom, the saucer travels like a surfboard on the incline of the wave that is kept continuously moving by the saucer's electrogravitational generator."
Also in that article it says "The second objection concerned the tremendous accelerations which on the basis of previous technology, would subject any animal occupants to unbearable stresses. But, says Brown, the occupants of one of his saucers would feel no stress at all, no matter how sharp the turn or how great the acceleration."
I don't know about you guys, but it seems to be that electrogravitic propulsion is very similar to Warp Drive . You see Warp Drive is explained as above quotes. It is known that Warp Drive seems to violate SR, but it does not. Because space-time fabric is moving ( not you or the ship) then it will seem to violate SR. In fact no SR effects will not be present.
Because space time is moving, then it would make sense that it would seem to violate Newton's 3rd law of motion (in fact it is known that warp drive violates Newton's 3rd law of motion), meaning that no matter how great the accretion, stop or turn, you will not feel no stress at all. This is because the ship is not moving, but space is.
Because of this analogue between Electrogravity propulsion and Warp Drive, it is possible that it to can warp space ( we will get to that later). In fact Einstein tried to "unify" electrostatic with gravity, so that it to can share the space time fabric/ geometry, meaning electricity analogue of creating a gravitational field, so it to can warp space time. But Einstein failed to finish his unified field theory (but it does not create a gravitational field, but creates an analogue to a gravitational field , for if it did create a real gravitational field it would move mass ( this has nothing to do with the coupling effect).
If EG does indeed warp the fabric of space, and if, (which it is ) analogue to gravity then it should be analogue to warp drive, then it would make since that EG will SEEM to violate SR and Newton's 3rd law of motion but it is space that is moving not the ship.
So this means that the (+) charge would contract space, while (-) charge would expand space, making space to move and not the ship, Which makes the illusion that the craft is moving to both people on board and watching the craft, and thus SR effects will not be present.
What do i mean by "if it has any connection between the fabric of space."
What i mean is that charges (the main source of electrogravity) could curve the fabric of space like how mass curves space.( But Electrogravity would only affect charged matter,charges and dielectric (not neutral matter).Einstein wanted to unify electricity and gravity which he tried to modify the geometry of space/ gravity to account for electricity but failed because his theory only explains mass not charge.
The difference between the field lines of EM is different from electrogravity. An electrogravity (+) charge would have a electrogravitic field whose field acts like a well (while the opposite for EM) and (-) charge would have a electrogravitic field whose field acts like a Hill (while the opposite for EM). Manson Rose even said that (-) charge acts like a hill and (+) charge acts like a well. Also Paul LaViolette in his book called Secrets of AntiGravity Propulsion also say this.
But how and what equation tells how this is done i don't know, and if it has any affect on time. But a book called Breaking The Time Barrier by Jenny Randles says that very intense electric charge could wrap spacetime and gives examples of peoples experience for example Electromagnetic Fog (can't explain it very well so look it up)
What is Warp-Drive?
Warp Drive is when you contract space in front of you (by (+) energy) and expand space behind you (by (-) energy) Because space is moving it gives the illusion of movement so you are not moving at all, thus if you are not moving then you will feel no "G" force, hence if you are not moving, then you can sneak past Special Relativity without violating it, so this mean you can go faster than light without time paradox, length contraction, and increase of mass because you are not moving. Also this effect can only happen in Curvature of space Not flat space, and EM is in flat space thus can't go faster than light using EM propulsion.
A lot of Physics states Warpdrive is like surfing on a wave the negative at the top and positive at the bottom and the ship just rides the wave of spacetime. Just like Electrogravitic propulsion. (if you are still not sure you should look it up on the internet.)
Linda Brown you said that you never heard your Dad use the expression Warp-Drive, I think i may Know why, the idea of Warp drive came from Star Trek so at that time it was science fiction, Scientists showed that by using Einstein's equation that indeed it exist. -dcooper
And if EG is analogue to warp drive, it means you can go faster that light at Electrowarp speeds.us
Hi Dylan, sorry for the late response (been too busy as usual) but here are a few of my thoughts on this.
QuoteWhat i mean is that charges (the main source of electrogravity) could curve the fabric of space like how mass curves space
I don't know about that, in my experience charge is capable of moving & working completely independent of mass. Since both GR and Newtonian mechanics work with mass, they do not apply here, you are right in that, but does it actualy warp space the same way mass does?
Charge itself may or may not warp space, but in my humble opinion it is more of a dimension in itself, and does not warp space as such.
You've heard the saying 'time does not exist', well in that respect charge doesn't either.....
When we talk of measuring a potential difference (volts) between 2 points, we are merely measuring the amount of charged particles (in this case electrons or the lack of them). Mostly you can say that the amount of electrons present indicates a certain charge.
But what if the charge was there, but no electrons were there to carry it??
Would it be there at all? How could we tell?
Any way you tried to measure it, you would be dealing with electrons, not the charge itself.
That very question has occupied me for quite a few years now.
QuoteBut Electrogravity would only affect charged matter,charges and dielectric (not neutral matter).
That is my opinion also, and one that we can test quite easily using the new gravitors, when we actually get round to building them ;)
This would be the problem with acceleration, unless we can find out if the 'eg field' applies evenly to all mass within the field, or just the active components i.e. the gravitor itself.
QuoteEinstein wanted to unify electricity and gravity which he tried to modify the geometry of space/ gravity to account for electricity but failed because his theory only explains mass not charge.
In a nutshell, yes. He treated charged & uncharged mass as the same thing.
Maybe that was his mistake?
In any case the 'hill & well' theory is a good one, and my opinion is just my opinion, i could be wrong...
Your warp-drive explanation is excellent, it's very sound.
All we have to do is prove it.
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Good post Dylan, lets hope the others take interest!
Luke