;D
hey Zorg..you part of this show?....
if you're not .. it sounds like another tease for a bunch of ???
sigh
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UFO 'Secrets' To Be Revealed In September, Says National Atomic Testing Museum
Posted: 09/01/2012 6:20 am Updated: 09/02/2012 4:43 am
In just a few weeks, some kind of UFO-related secrets will be revealed at a Smithsonian Institution affiliated museum.
That's the implied promise in the title of a special lecture
424kb complete pdf doc.. go to link for the connection
coming up at the National Atomic Testing Museum in Las Vegas on Sept. 22.
http://www.nationalatomictestingmuseum.org/
The secrets haven't yet been revealed, but the players involved certainly present the potential for something intriguing to emerge from this one-night event that's part of the museum's ongoing Area 51 lecture series.
Watch this promo for the upcoming UFO lecture at the National Atomic Testing Museum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGCK0Ik9Wz8
"We looked at bringing in some people to talk about extraterrestrials and UFOs," said museum CEO and executive director Allan Palmer, a highly decorated former Air Force and Navy combat jet fighter.
"We wanted to concentrate on people who had personal stories and exposure to what they thought were real UFOs from the military side, because they might have just a little more credibility than your average Joe," Palmer told The Huffington Post.
Four of the participants had previous American military security clearances:
Ret. Army Col. John Alexander:
http://www.johnbalexander.com/home
Former military insider who created Advanced Theoretical Physics -- a group of top-level government officials and scientists brought together to study UFOs.
Ret. Air Force Col. Charles Halt:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I._Halt
Former base commander of the RAF Bentwaters military base in England and vital eyewitness to the amazing UFO-related events at Rendlesham Forest in December 1980, where he believed the observed UFOs were extraterrestrial in origin.
Ret. Air Force Col. William Coleman:
http://www.presidentialufo.com/articles-a-papers/245-col-william-t-coleman
Former USAF bomber pilot, chief of Air Force public information and producer of NBC's "Project UFO" series.
Ret. Air Force Col. Robert Friend:
http://www.openminds.tv/air-force-colonels-inside-look-of-project-blue-book/
Former director of the Air Force's Project Blue Book from 1958 to 1963.
The fifth guest at the museum's upcoming UFO lecture is former U.K. UFO desk officer Nick Pope.
http://www.nickpope.net/
What's going to be different about this one-time lecture compared to previous gatherings where military personnel have stepped forward to reveal details about personal UFO experiences?
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/09/23/aliens-monitoring-nukes-worry-ex-air-force-officers/
"One of the things that is different is that you have high credibility vetted sources," Alexander told HuffPost. "What you're getting from this panel are people who have worked with the military, all of whom certainly agree that UFOs are real, and I think most of them would say it ought to be researched.
"Here, you're getting a small number [of participants], but high credibility people."
At the Sept. 22 lecture, Pope will speak of the similarities between how the U.K. and U.S. governments had similar UFO study groups and why both countries officially got out of the UFO business.
"In both instances, the bottom line was that we wanted Joe Sixpack off our backs. Strip out all the mistaken sightings of weather balloons and dump all the crazies, and we might just have something worth looking at," Pope told HuffPost in an e-mail.
"But you can't do that in a public UFO project, because it's a kook magnet," he said. "The trick is to highlight all the crazy stuff in the media, so the subject becomes a joke, pull the plug, then run the whole thing covertly. Now I'm not saying this is exactly what happened, but if an Air Force pilot sees something unusual and it's tracked on military radar, does anyone seriously think we wouldn't be interested?"
While none of the participants of the upcoming lecture have offered a preview of any UFO revelation, Pope promises to disclose "some hitherto unrevealed secrets of the British government's UFO project."
This isn't the first time the Las Vegas museum has offered a provocative UFO presentation.
Back in March of this year, the Smithsonian venue opened its doors to an ongoing exhibit called "Area 51: Myth or Reality,"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/22/area-51-russian-roswell-ufo_n_1373352.html?ref=weird-news
providing a comprehensive look at the historic records of the most secret military installation in the country.
Among the many items displayed are materials presented as "Authentic Alien Artifact" -- samples of small objects originating from an alleged UFO crash in Russia.
The mystery of Area 51.
pics at link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/01/ufo-secrets-revealed_n_1843040.html?utm_hp_ref=weird-news
I sure hope this does not turn into a lecture on swamp gas. They are pretty good at that. Turning the conversation.
Sky, please follow up on this one. I will never hear about it here.
About swamp gas, I have never seen even one validated photo of it?
Thanks, Deuem
It will be interesting too see what is released.. :D
Personally I would Like the TRUTH to come out of the woodwork.
Once it starts, I would suspect many more will come forward.
Quote from: deuem on September 04, 2012, 08:38:13 AM
About swamp gas, I have never seen even one validated photo of it?
Here ya go! :D
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Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on September 04, 2012, 09:35:17 AM
Personally I would Like the TRUTH to come out of the woodwork.
What if the
TRUTH is that there are no Flying Saucers? what then :D Would you believe it?
::)
Quote from: zorgon on September 04, 2012, 11:49:30 AM
What if the TRUTH is that there are no Flying Saucers? what then :D Would you believe it?
::)
No............cuz the X Files said...........trust no one and the truth is out there...........I think...it is a while since I seen that show.
I wouldnt believe much of what come out of anyone's mouth anymore. I have to feel it and I have felt since I was a youngin that we are just one of the small players going on in an incredibly large group of shows.
I will order my ticket in the morning :D
Now watch this... :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BIsKZlv1Zw
UFO == unlikely f*Kin' object... sorry, 'dn't hold myself :)
Quote from: zorgon on September 04, 2012, 11:48:13 AM
Here ya go! :D
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Wow. That looks so like the craft that hovered and manoeuvred right before me and two friends eyes. :o
It's just so easy to think swamp gas is an intelligently controlled technological flying machine isn't it. ::)
P.S. The craft was not a saucer. It was CERTAINLY NOT a conventionally propelled flying machine though. ;)
Quote from: zorgon on September 04, 2012, 11:49:30 AM
What if the TRUTH is that there are no Flying Saucers? what then :D Would you believe it?
::)
NO !
If Non exist, I don't exist.... :D
Quote from: Pimander on September 04, 2012, 06:27:35 PM
Wow. That looks so like the craft that hovered and manoeuvred right before me and two friends eyes. :o
What you are seeing is methane gas bubbles trapped under the ice. The photograher broke a hole in the ice and ignited a bubble. His other picture looks more like a flame. That is why the water has that odd texture.
Quote from: zorgon on September 04, 2012, 11:49:30 AM
What if the TRUTH is that there are no Flying Saucers? what then :D Would you believe it?
::)
Zorg, as you and I have discussed before, my sighting that twisted my perspective was not of a saucer, but of a rather large triangle shaped craft; so, yes, there may not be any saucers; but some smeg head has been zoomin' around the skies in unidentified craft...
seeker
Quote from: zorgon on September 04, 2012, 11:49:30 AM
What if the TRUTH is that there are no Flying Saucers? what then :D Would you believe it?
::)
I guess that could then be considered to be a
True "
Lie"..... :P :D
The Earth and our experiences are as real as what some call "
Flying Saucers"
which I understand as being "
Transport Interfaces".
I can't deny those things I have seen and witnessed, no matter what any official
may try to tell you.
The Truth remains to be the "
Truth" no matter what any human primate might say or belive in.
Matrix very few people care about old case's now, and the implications.
American Politcs takes the cake these days... :o
Quote from: the seeker on September 05, 2012, 01:31:58 AM
my sighting that twisted my perspective was not of a saucer, but of a rather large triangle shaped craft; so, yes, there may not be any saucers; but some smeg head has been zoomin' around the skies in unidentified craft...
Oh yeah the triangles LOL Well yeah there are those... but most likely they are flown by "non-terrestrial officers" with NAVY billets :D
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/04images/Triangles/orbit.600.jpg)
A CO who is an NTO?
Thats OK!
Le
Quote from: zorgon on September 05, 2012, 09:54:14 PM
Oh yeah the triangles LOL Well yeah there are those... but most likely they are flown by "non-terrestrial officers" with NAVY billets :D
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/04images/Triangles/orbit.600.jpg)
Yes indeed, old friend; it would be so much easier if they would just offer you and I a billet on one of those "non-existent" craft that Gary Mckinnon found the roster's of...
wasn't one of those supposed to be the "Pegasus" ? :o
seeker
PegasusQuotethe immortal winged horse that sprang from the blood of the slain Medusa; was tamed by Bellerophon with the help of a bridle given him by Athena; as the flying horse of the Muses it is a symbol of highflying imagination
The Pegasus was a winged horse or Night Mare.
follow up post.
.can't wait for your report Zorg if they really say anything new..
UFO Secrets To Be Revealed At National Atomic Testing Museum
Posted: 09/21/2012 10:55 am EDT
Lee Speigel
Four retired Army and Air Force colonels and a former British Ministry of Defense investigator join forces this weekend at the National Atomic Testing Museum to speak on a subject public officials rarely address -- UFOs.
The Smithsonian-affiliated museum's special lecture, "Military UFOs: Secrets Revealed" is open to the public and has been long anticipated by researchers of unexplained phenomena.
The exact nature of the secrets hasn't been revealed, but the participants form a historic who's who of UFO researchers spanning half a century.
At least one of the participants has strongly hinted he's going to reveal startling UFO-related information that hasn't yet seen the light of day.
"I'm going to explain what I think and what I believe, and this is after all these years thinking about it. I think I've got the answer and no one has ever mentioned it," said retired Air Force Col. William Coleman.
Coleman is a former Air Force bomber pilot, public affairs officer and chief spokesman for the Air Force's Project Blue Book between 1961 and 1963. Blue Book was the official 20-year study of UFOs, which ended in 1969, after reaching several negative conclusions about UFOs, including:
There has been no evidence submitted to or discovered by the Air Force that sightings categorized as "unidentified" represent technological developments or principles beyond the range of present-day scientific knowledge.
Coleman's career led him to serve as producer of NBC's two-season drama, "Project UFO," executive produced by Jack Webb, of "Dragnet" and based on thousands of reports from the Project Blue Book files.
Here's the opening of 1978's William Coleman-produced "Project UFO" TV series
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVVADz0Afss
Throughout the Blue Book investigation of UFOs, many reports seemed to contradict the official Air Force findings.
Coleman described his experience when, as a major, he piloted a B-25 bomber -- similar to the one pictured below -- with a four-man crew over Alabama on a clear afternoon in 1955.
"The co-pilot told me to look out at 2 o'clock high, so I turned around and pulled my seat back up and said it could be a little bright spot from sun reflection," Coleman told The Huffington Post.
"I took the airplane and started making a right turn and the object moved, meaning we were looking at an object at roughly 25,000 or 30,000 feet. It was a real bright dot, and suddenly, it started descending and it was coming across our flight path, and I sent my crew chief up into the bombardier's section so he could look out through the glass nose of the bomber to get a different view than what we were seeing in the cockpit."
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Coleman's pursuit of the UFO brought the bomber very near treetop level.
"We had a good view of it, because it was a cloudless day, it was out in the middle of nowhere and we didn't see any cars or people, and I said, 'Look at the shadow on the ground" -- it was circular. At that point, I was overtaking it and I said I was gonna make a hard turn to the right, I'm gonna stand the airplane up on its wing and I'm gonna turn back around, and we should be back alongside of it.'"
The bomber crew saw the object again as it flew over a freshly plowed field.
"As it was going across the field, there were two vortexes coming off the edge of it as it went across that field," Coleman recalled. "It was like a horizontal tornado."
The now-retired Air Force colonel, pictured below, said that, at their closest approach to the UFO, the bomber was about an eighth of a mile from it. And he got a good look at it.
"It was about 75 feet in diameter, 15-feet-thick at the center, no rivet lines, portholes, glass or windows. It was just metal -- what I call a run-of-the-mill flying saucer. It wasn't reflective at all, except when it was at extreme altitude, it reflected sunlight, but as we got closer, all that disappeared."
Coleman tried to maneuver the bomber in order to "head him off at the pass," but by the time he was able to emerge from behind some trees, the UFO was gone, leaving the vortices of dust to settle on the ground.
Nearly 60 years after this close encounter, and 50 years since his involvement with Project Blue Book, Coleman has decided to make a definitive statement about UFOs.
"I think I've hit the nail on the head," he said, and plans to share this information on Saturday at the UFO lecture in Las Vegas.
Stay tuned.
Check out some UFO encounters here. 14 pics at link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/21/ufo-secrets-national-atomic-testing-museum_n_1902019.html?utm_hp_ref=weird-news
Ok, it is the 22nd, what happened?????
Quote from: deuem on September 22, 2012, 07:36:26 AM
Ok, it is the 22nd, what happened?????
Nothing yet :P 6 PM tonight Its only 3:27 Am here noe :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkBvsBpgGbo
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well, darn....i was oping for some info on the talks yesterday....
hey Zorg..i don't want to go to another planet..so maybe you can say something about what these guys had to say about visitors to this one.....pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaase
Quote from: zorgon on September 05, 2012, 09:54:14 PM
Oh yeah the triangles LOL Well yeah there are those... but most likely they are flown by "non-terrestrial officers" with NAVY billets :D
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/04images/Triangles/orbit.600.jpg)
Bashar has said that his people's vessels are usually triangles, as well. ;)
Quote from: sky otter on September 23, 2012, 01:23:34 PM
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well, darn....i was oping for some info on the talks yesterday....
hey Zorg..i don't want to go to another planet..so maybe you can say something about what these guys had to say about visitors to this one.....pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaase
What about if the other planet was 100% garden with the best veggies and fruits ever, no bugs to bother the plants, just the best harvest you could think of. Would you want to take a peek. Say they would also train you to do this and take off a few years in the process, Make you and hubby 30ish again. Fix any of your problems. Would that help? Deuem
oh deuem..what a place to put that question..lol
QuoteMake you and hubby 30ish again. Fix any of your problems. Would that help?
i am more than happy to be the age i am and in the condition i am
and dealing with the meatsuit and this life as best as i can
so
the answer is no
same answer for the garden question
and if someone/thing fixed everything..what the heck would i do?..
what would be the point of being here.?
the whole reason to be here is to do it yourself..otherwise..why bother..lol
gotta tell you something..
very early on i heard adult type folks regretting this and that and wishing they would have done this or that differently or had another chance
i told myself then that i would not be like that..that whatever i did i would have no regrets..
so
as i have choices or decisions, i ask myself...will i have regrest doing this
it makes moving forward much easier
hope that answers your question
;D
Quote from: sky otter on September 23, 2012, 01:23:34 PM
hey Zorg..i don't want to go to another planet..so maybe you can say something about what these guys had to say about visitors to this one.....pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaase
yeah I will :D but have had medical issues today...
I will do a quick outline tonight and the tape will be out in a couple weeks so I can do a transcript.
Nothing earth shattering :P Nothing at all about Area 51... just about UFO's
ahhhhh geeeezee...
hope you feel better Zorgon
and
heck
may as well take your time..especially if there's nothing new
i'll just go kick a few more cans while waiting for any new stuff..
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but i ain't holdin my breath
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sigh
yikes don't know how it happened but i missed this posting ...so here's more
Charles Halt, Former Air Force Colonel, Accuses U.S. Of UFO Cover-Up
Posted: 09/24/2012 2:07 pm EDT Updated: 09/28/2012 11:14 am EDT
Lee Speigel
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/24/ufo-secrets-turn-out-to-be-strong-opinions_n_1907492.html
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Panel members at the "Military UFOs: Secrets Revealed" lecture held at the Smithsonian-affiliated National Atomic Testing Museum on Sept. 22, 2012. .
LAS VEGAS -- Former Air Force Col. Charles Halt accused the federal government of a UFO cover-up that involves a secret agency to deal with what might be extraterrestrial visitations.
"I'm firmly convinced there's an agency, and there is an effort to suppress," Halt told an audience of 200 people Saturday night at the Smithsonian-affiliated National Atomic Testing Museum.
Two former Air Force officers who were part of the infamous Project Blue Book -- the military's official UFO investigation in the 1950s and '60s -- and a former investigator with Britain's Ministry of Defense were among the panel of speakers for a program entitled "Military UFOs: Secrets Revealed."
Halt, pictured below, was the deputy base commander of the RAF Bentwaters military base in England and one of numerous eyewitnesses to several UFO-related events at Rendlesham Forest in December 1980. He believes the observed UFOs were either extraterrestrial or extradimensional in origin.
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc662.htm
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"I've heard many people say that it's time for the government to appoint an agency to investigate," Halt said.
"Folks, there is an agency, a very close-held, compartmentalized agency that's been investigating this for years, and there's a very active role played by many of our intelligence agencies that probably don't even know the details of what happens once they collect the data and forward it. It's kind of scary, isn't it?
"In the last couple of years, the British have released a ton of information, but has anybody ever seen what their conclusions were or heard anything about Bentwaters officially? When the documents were released, the timeframe when I was involved in the incident is missing -- it's gone missing. Nothing else is missing," he said.
Halt added that he's never been harassed over the reports he made about the Bentwaters UFO incidents.
"Probably for a couple of good reasons. Number one, my rank and some of the jobs I've held, but also very early on, I sat down and made a very detailed tape and made several copies of everything I know about it and they're secluded away. Maybe I'm paranoid. I don't know, but I think it was time well spent when I made the tapes."
While the lecture panel members didn't always see eye-to-eye on the details of specific UFO cases, one common thread ran through them.
"We share a couple of very important things: We've all been dedicated to serving our country and been very serious about it," said museum CEO and executive director Allan Palmer, who had a distinguished career as a decorated jet fighter pilot for both the Air Force and Navy.
"These are not flaky people, who've all held very responsible positions with high-level security clearances. They're not the kind of people who tend to imagine things or go off on a wild tangent on something. They're very professional, very business-like," Palmer told The Huffington Post.
Making a rare public appearance was retired Air Force Col. Bill Coleman, the former chief spokesman for Project Blue Book between 1961 and 1963.
The controversial study ended in 1969, concluding that there was nothing about UFOs which represented "technological developments or principles beyond the range of present-day scientific knowledge."
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Coleman, at left, recounted his own riveting encounter with a UFO while he piloted a B-25 bomber in 1955. The unknown circular object descended from an estimated height of 20,000 feet, heading to the ground, when Coleman attempted to pursue it.
"We were moving at maximum continuous power for the B-25, about 300 miles an hour, and we got right down to the treetops and I closed in on it very rapidly. I said I was going to overtake it -- 'Hang on and put your seat belts on' -- and I made a hard 90-degree bank to try and pull up alongside of [the UFO] and it wasn't there.
"I zoomed up about 1,500 feet, and then I could see the object right on the deck over a freshly plowed field moving at a pretty good speed, and it [was trailing] two vortexes." When Coleman dove behind the trees to try and "head him off at the pass," the UFO was gone. He said it was a typically reported flying saucer.
Coleman concluded his part of the lecture by offering a possible reason why ETs may be hesitant to visit Earth:
"If an alien were to land here, our common cold could kill him. His common cold could wipe out the population of planet Earth. If they're smart enough to build a vehicle that could travel light-years of time, they'd be smart enough to know that our diseases could wipe out people."
During the time that Coleman was the Project Blue Book spokesman, the director of the Air Force study was Col. Bob Friend. He disagreed with the Air Force's negative conclusions about UFOs in 1969.
"My primary explanation for these things is that, yes, they're real, and I think it would be much better if the government or some other agency was to take on these things and to pursue the scientific aspects of it," Friend said.
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At Saturday's lecture, Friend, at right, offered an olive branch to the many people who claim to have seen UFOs but have been reluctant to report them out of fear of not being taken seriously.
"UFO sightings are real, and you will not be ridiculed by any honest organization that investigates it. Just come forward, quote your case and allow people to investigate what they can to make some determination about what it is that you've seen. In the future, just remember that we're on your side."
Nick Pope, the civilian member of the UFO panel, acknowledged that many in the audience came to the lecture anticipating the revelation of mind-blowing UFO evidence.
"While I apologize to those people who might be expecting or hoping for a 'spaceship in a hangar' smoking gun, what you are getting is the real deal: an insight from people who have looked at this mysterious and infuriating subject for the government," said Pope, a former UFO investigator for the UK Ministry of Defense.
"The UFO subject is a field which does have its fair share of crackpots and charlatans and cultists. What you have this evening in a field like that is a panel of people who indisputably and genuinely have done this for the government and the military."
Pope recounted how the UK's former official committee, known as the Flying Saucer Working Party, concluded in 1951 that UFOs were just misidentifications, hoaxes and delusions, and that no further time or effort should be wasted on the subject.
"Unfortunately for them, in 1952, there was a wave of sightings throughout the UK, where most of the witnesses were Royal Air Force pilots, some of whom chased these things, and many radar operatives tracked them," Pope said.
As the Ministry of Defense continued investigating UFOs, Pope noted, they kept a close watch on the UFO "community." "We anonymously subscribed to their magazines: Subscription, please send to John Smith, P.O. Box 007, London -- that was us. And I even covertly slipped into the back of UFO conferences."
Pope concluded by saying that the Ministry of Defense always had one thing on its mind about UFOs: "Whatever the nonsense you see about this subject sometimes in the field, we never lost sight of the fact that, in all of these hundreds of thousands of sightings, the believers only had to be right once, and everything changes."
Watch this 1958 program of reporter Mike Wallace interviewing Marine Maj. Donald Keyhoe about UFOs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtBrUVBehvQ
Another UFO lecture panelist, retired Army Col. John Alexander, was a former military insider who convened a special group in the 1980s called the Advanced Theoretical Physics Group, whose members were culled from the military services and the aerospace and intelligence communities. They concluded that while there had been numerous cases of credible UFO encounters, the group couldn't find any evidence of any actual government cover-up.
Alexander cited a variety of intriguing UFO cases involving pilots and told the audience that UFOs are "real and is a global phenomenon -- not something that just happens in the U.S.
"We need to make it permissible for scientists to discuss and research these topics. ... There are no simple answers, and not only do we not have the answers, we're not at the point of asking the right questions yet, and that's what we need to do."
The lecture included a spirited question-and-answer session in which the audience engaged the panel on a variety of UFO-related topics, trying to draw out more detailed revelations.
While no ET body or piece of alien spaceship was brought forward and presented to the audience, those who attended the presentation seemed to appreciate the participants' candor.
Still, the audience probably left with more questions than answers.
Check out these UFO items.14 pics at link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/24/ufo-secrets-turn-out-to-be-strong-opinions_n_1907492.html
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