http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Rzlb4Zwl74
This is apparently a new video, linked to me by my father this evening, which contains evidence that has apparently shown up in the mainstream media.
As I said to my father in my response to his email, I have, for eleven years, been part of the seemingly insane minority. I have been ostracised, I have been ridiculed, I have been condemned. The reason why I was banned from ATS, was because I made it clear to them that I could not be shamed into silence, and I would not stop.
The release of the recent corrupt scientific study on organic food was for me, the very last straw. My tolerance for the continued agony that I have been caused by atheists and the mainstream scientific establishment has reached its' limit.
They can ban me from whichever forum they wish. They can condemn me, ridicule me, and mock me as much as they wish. They can call me unscientific, as they already have; which for them, is apparently the worst form of condemnation they can issue a person, but for me is largely ineffectual.
They will not stop me.
Dont worry about being banned Petrus. I said some pertinent things on version 4 of Projection Avalon about Ryan and it was swiftly deleted and forthwith I got banned.
Just hold your ground, Zorgy wont ban you, cuz his a friend of mine. ???
Or else I wouldve been banned already, so you can say what you want, as long as its not totally redneck. xxoo ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yRPWLqc5T20#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRPWLqc5T20
well? give a discription of the video .
Quote from: micjer on September 12, 2012, 01:58:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yRPWLqc5T20#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRPWLqc5T20
LEAKED 9/11 FOOTAGE SUPPOSIDLY SHOWING A CRUSIE MISSILE. ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER EVIDENCE. THE SMALL HOLE, NO PLANE DEBRIS, WITNESSES THAT SAW A MISSILE. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER SMOKING GUN PIECE TO THE ORIGINAL COMMISION REPORT
@Petrus4 - Kudos for standing your ground. It is not a popular thing to do and it is not easy. You are standing for what you believe is the truth. That is rare now days. I watched that video and it reflects what I think is correct. Keep on, keeping on.
@micjer - I wondered about a cruise missile my self. I just can't account for eyewitnesses seeing an airliner. I wish the FBI had opened up the videos from the surrounding area. Maybe they are hiding something we are not supposed to see.
Just to look at the damage..any engineer worth their salt can see the hole doesnt coincide with the outline of an airliner.
In the wtc, there were plane shaped holes where they entered..with defined lines where the wings cut through the exterior..but in the pentagon..just a section of building..perfectly collapsed with zero wing outlines on either side.
If this video is valid..the projectile which hit the pentagon wouldve been much,much larger on film...it just doesnt add up...plus, where is the video of a plane hitting the penragon? They feel we are so stupid, they dont even try to make one up.
And they know if they did, people all over would have evidence that they are lying.
We are in trouble if we think we are free...our leaders at the top are all corrupt, and will continue to be until someone stops them.
Another thing..where is the wreckage of the penragon plane...? You would think they would parade it around as proof..but they know that would be quickly debunked, too.
Cant prove a lie without evidence...our governments mantra.
Le
Quote from: spacemaverick on September 12, 2012, 06:56:34 PM
I just can't account for eyewitnesses seeing an airliner. I wish the FBI had opened up the videos from the surrounding area. Maybe they are hiding something we are not supposed to see.
Simple enough... fly an airliner low over the pentagon with the cruise missile flying underneath
That explains why some saw an airliner and others saw a small plane or missile
The explosion was RED not ORANGE Jet fuel makes an ORANGE flash... a missile makes a RED flash
And no matter how many people try to tell me that the airliner just vaporized, I am not buying it :P Just look at any other airliner crash... luggage explodes all over the place... body parts all over the place.... We didn't see that at the pentagon or Pennsylvania...
No debris
GOD I LOVE THIS FORUM 8) ;D ;)
A recent YouTube comment exchange, attached to the trailer for the above linked film. If you are wondering why, on a daily basis, I have to struggle to control an ongoing state of homicidal rage towards atheists, which sometimes literally endangers me with cardiac arrest, this is but one example.
I'm still waiting for a so-called rationalist who has anything other than name calling. I don't understand how calling someone a whacko or a retard is supposed to logically refute such ideas as the towers being brought down by controlled demolition.
Maybe if there's someone here who can control themselves sufficiently to explain that to me, it would help.
-- petrus4
There are plenty of places online you can go to where people will explain it to you. The controlled demolition idea has no evidence to? support it and several engineers and scientists have explained the collapses multiple times.
-- apatrick0516
The issue here, always comes back to the definition of acceptable evidence; and where pseudo-rationalists are concerned, that usually consists exclusively of papers from academia.
-- petrus4
That's not the only valid evidence, but it is strong. Demolitions experts and others have found no evidence of explosives. Plus, explosions are loud. Very loud. None of the videos have characteristic sounds of explosives. The sounds heard are the rumbling as the building's floors pancaked on top of each other. Also, a controlled demolition would have been damn near impossible to pull off secretly.
-- apatrick506
Quote from: zorgon on September 12, 2012, 08:52:59 PM
Simple enough... fly an airliner low over the pentagon with the cruise missile flying underneath
That explains why some saw an airliner and others saw a small plane or missile
The explosion was RED not ORANGE Jet fuel makes an ORANGE flash... a missile makes a RED flash
And no matter how many people try to tell me that the airliner just vaporized, I am not buying it :P Just look at any other airliner crash... luggage explodes all over the place... body parts all over the place.... We didn't see that at the pentagon or Pennsylvania...
No debris
You are right. Guess I need to go back to when I was stationed on and airbase in Germany. 2 crashes and the jet fuel (JP4) glowed orange. A high order explosive is much brighter and is more intense.
Quote from: zorgon on September 12, 2012, 08:52:59 PM
And no matter how many people try to tell me that the airliner just vaporized, I am not buying it :P Just look at any other airliner crash... luggage explodes all over the place... body parts all over the place.... We didn't see that at the pentagon or Pennsylvania...
No debris
When I first saw the Pentagon on TV, I thought no way that was an airliner, same with Shanksville, no way a plane disintegrates so completely. This leads to the next question, what in the hell did they do with all those people aboard those planes... how did they dispose of them?
Quote from: Primus58 on September 12, 2012, 09:13:39 PM
When I first saw the Pentagon on TV, I thought no way that was an airliner, same with Shanksville, no way a plane disintegrates so completely. This leads to the next question, what in the hell did they do with all those people aboard those planes... how did they dispose of them?
That surprised me also. My problem is I focused on the twin towers more than I did the Pentagon. Luggage , not; people; not, interesting indeed. You all got me fired up again. Time to start digging.
You know what is truly surprising, is that the MSM didn't miraculously find a video showing a plane flying into the pentagon. Like the chineese olympics with the fireworks added on TV.
It would have been much more believable for many. The fact that the most surveiled building in the US had all of their tapes destroyed speaks volumes.
The bigger the lie the easier it is to sell.
Even if 99 percent of the official story were true, that 1 percent that was a lie makes them guilty.
Cannot believe the pentagon story.
WTC 7 did not fall on its own.
No Debris at Shanksville
WTC 1 2 Falling at freefall speed and the dustification of the material
Torched vehicles miles away from buildings
..................shall I go on?
Quote from: spacemaverick on September 12, 2012, 09:10:44 PM
You are right. Guess I need to go back to when I was stationed on and airbase in Germany. 2 crashes and the jet fuel (JP4) glowed orange. A high order explosive is much brighter and is more intense.
Start here (I need to get back to that and add more)
9/11 Collection of Evidence (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=202.0)(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/Fox_Reporter.png)
Pentagon Explosion RED
(http://911review.com/coverup/imgs/pcamf5.jpg)
Jet Fuel burning ORANGE
(http://news.cnet.com/i/tim/2010/10/08/Pooled_fuel_on_fire_1_610x405.jpg)
Where is the Wreckage of UAL 93? Shanksville First Responders to the Crash Site
(http://www.wtc-terrorattack.com/shankesville/shanksville16.JPG)
Where is the Plane? What are these people doing?
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/Flight93CraterReuters.jpg)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/911/Shanksville1.jpg)
(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2010/05/13/1225865/821438-libyan-airliner-crash.jpg)
Libya May 12, 2010(http://media.columbiatribune.com/img/croppedphotos/2009/12/23/we_A01_plane_1223_t620.jpg?fbf2daa044e08a86b24c9c38cd7501865a0e2373)
KINGSTON, Jamaica December 23, 2009(http://media.thestar.topscms.com/images/69/85/836a76824df097085e746f06467d.jpeg)
Beirut Jan 25 2010Where is the Plane and debris at the Pentagon? This is the lawn after impact...
(http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/lawn3.jpg)
Airplanes DO NOT VAPORIZE
They only found ONE engine at the Pentagon
They only found ONE engine at Shankville
Shankville explosion
(http://www.bilerico.com/images/9-11-01-shanksville1.jpg)
some tower hands were in shanksville motel.they said there were so many fbi in town the next day.they sold out of motel rooms.
it was gonna cost more to remove the asbestos fireproofing from the wtc than the property is worth.
so give each newyorker a spoonful to eat and breath ,then no more asbestos.
those diseases came from fairy dust.
in return you get a brand new shiny middle finger,oops i mean tower.
The guy who owned them was loosing money on renting office space... He needed them gone (as well as the asbestos issue)
He took out more insurance on the buildings before the attack...
He got paid DOUBLE on the insurance because it was classed as TWO attacks...
He didn't have to pay to clean up the mess....
He made serious bank that day and rid himself of those white elephants
Not a bad deal... for him
Larry Silverstein, the man who had a plan and it worked. Someone else did the work for him....just sayin. Doubled the money because it was allegedly 2 acts of terror. ;) ;)
its so hard to not be a bigot.
Then, 2 months after 9-11, on November 12, there was this 'accident' killing 265:
From Wikipedia:
American Airlines Flight 587 was a regularly scheduled passenger flight from John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York City to Las Américas International Airport in the Dominican Republic. On November 12, 2001 the Airbus A300 operating the route crashed into the Belle Harbor neighborhood of Queens, a borough of New York City shortly after takeoff. All 260 people on board were killed, along with five people on the ground.
Another recent exchange on YouTube.
Truthers = the world's BIGGEST RETARDS
-- terrymanning1
If you want to convert said "truthers," to your own perspective, this is not the way to go about it.
-- petrus4 in reply to terrymanning1
Truthers are anti American hate filled imbeciles who are simply too retarded to see past their own preconceived bullpoop about what happened on 9/11 to ever be swayed by facts.
-- terrymanning1 in reply to petrus4
Yes, but this is all I ever get. I don't get facts; I just get told that I'm too much of a hate-filled retard to be able to accept them.
-- petrus4 in reply to terrymanning1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO6nQq7oWsI
Petrus some people cant handle the truth because if they did that would open up a whole other can of worms, they might even have to go down that rabbit hole, and we all know once you do that you can never go back.
You are obviously a discerning academic with very good inner awareness, trying to educate idiots like this is useless my love. We need more of you though. ;)
Quote from: zorgon on September 12, 2012, 11:03:25 PM
The guy who owned them was loosing money on renting office space... He needed them gone (as well as the asbestos issue)
He took out more insurance on the buildings before the attack...
He got paid DOUBLE on the insurance because it was classed as TWO attacks...
He didn't have to pay to clean up the mess....
He made serious bank that day and rid himself of those white elephants
Not a bad deal... for him
Hang on Zorgy, I have heard and read this theory before and I can understand it, it makes sense, up your insurance then take out your deficit, but this still does not account for the so called planes that hit the building............how did this guy manage that without help coinciding with the demolition and it was a controlled demoltion.
He would have had to have been in cohoots with the government because the pentagon disaster was hot on the heels of the twin tower genocide.
Doesnt colaesce together right.
Quote from: biggles on September 13, 2012, 01:52:00 AM
You are obviously a discerning academic with very good inner awareness, trying to educate idiots like this is useless my love. We need more of you though. ;)
I wouldn't go that far; but thanks. ;)
i heard there were israelly artist working on the abandoned floors.were these the dancing israellies?
i thought they were the ones responsible for the predemolition.setting the thermite in place.
Quote from: zorgon on September 12, 2012, 11:03:25 PM
The guy who owned them was loosing money on renting office space... He needed them gone (as well as the asbestos issue)
He took out more insurance on the buildings before the attack...
He got paid DOUBLE on the insurance because it was classed as TWO attacks...
He didn't have to pay to clean up the mess....
He made serious bank that day and rid himself of those white elephants
Not a bad deal... for him
A recent news piece mentioned that the owner(s) of the Towers bought them only about two years before 9/11. Now if one thinks there was a conspiracy involved, it could be with the "new owners", or...... it could have been a planned perpetration on the part of original owning parties, with installation of explosives before the sale, If there were explosives.
Whatever happened here was not a "turnip truck" operation. It was long term preparation, and very well planned.
I definitely would have no suspicion of Israeli involvement in this!
Quote from: rdunk on September 13, 2012, 04:27:48 AM
I definitely would have no suspicion of Israeli involvement in this!
I would :P
90% of the gold stored there was removed shortly before the attack
8) :o ::)
Quote from: biggles on September 13, 2012, 02:02:07 AM
but this still does not account for the so called planes that hit the building............
Yeah well on those so called planes that hit the building? I'm with John on that one No planes :P
And I am very interested in Dr Judy Woods particle beam theory that went to a law suit. I have video of the iron core turning to powder before your eyes and molten steel in the foundation still red hot SIX WEEKS after
Quote from: zorgon on September 13, 2012, 04:37:49 AM
Yeah well on those so called planes that hit the building? I'm with John on that one No planes :P
And I am very interested in Dr Judy Woods particle beam theory that went to a law suit. I have video of the iron core turning to powder before your eyes and molten steel in the foundation still red hot SIX WEEKS after
I believe I recall quotes of many people who saw the planes , from the ground, flying into the buildings. It was full daylight, and it would have been pretty unusual to see commercial aircraft "buzzing" NYC downtown, for sure.
Yet, many people saw planes that were not at all
in description to commercial passenger aircraft.
And there are photos taken, and even video
of planes that look like missiles.
(http://eyreinternational.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/dibujo-31.jpg?w=700)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpEct4q4z9o