KAGUYA SELENE
Japan's Moon Tale(http://userdisk.webry.biglobe.ne.jp/004/889/61/N000/000/000/img_about_001.jpg)
"The moon is essentially grey," he said. "No colour. Looks like plaster of Paris. Sort of a greyish beach sand." - James Lovell, Astronaut(http://news.discovery.com/space/2009/12/31/selene-earthrise-825x563.jpg)
For comparison...
Earthrise from Apollo 8
(http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/120514-earth%20rise%20apollo-hmed-541p.grid-5x2.jpg)
QuoteIn the Anime World Princess Kaguya is a Demon, a Fallen Angel
But the Anime is not the "original" Kaguya, that "title" goes to "Kaguya hime" (princess Kaguya), from "The Bamboo-cutter's Daughter", a tale about a baby girl that is found inside a glowing bamboo and that was a Moon princess.
You can read the story here (http://www.sacred-texts.com/shi/jft2/jft208.htm).
Quote from: ArMaP on September 25, 2012, 01:07:07 AM
But the Anime is not the "original" Kaguya,
Irrelevant to my topic :P
I was intrigued by:
The color of the moon surface
The size of Earth in on to the other
The speed of travel over the surface
That moon surface looked like someOne selected it and desaturated it, in One the Earth is quite big and the other quite small, and in the Earthset the surface moved much more quickly than in the Earthrise.
Both looked like composites.
In trying to find something wrong so that I wouldn't appear too stupid LOL, I did note the FULL earth rise as opposed to the Gibbous earth set on the same day, which seems wrong if it takes the moon 29.5 days to orbit earth (synodic period). When using Google Earth's Moon feature, I notice many of those JAXA videos tagged to the moon. looking at Jaxa's YouTube page, you can see a slight changes in the color, I'm not sure if that's due to a filter they use or what.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmK7K8tfG_Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PciJniRblk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUNm80Vb6sM
Quote from: Primus58 on September 25, 2012, 03:21:53 AM
In trying to find something wrong so that I wouldn't appear too stupid LOL, I did note the FULL earth rise as opposed to the Gibbous earth set on the same day, which seems wrong if it takes the moon 29.5 days to orbit earth (synodic period). When using Google Earth's Moon feature, I notice many of those JAXA videos tagged to the moon. looking at Jaxa's YouTube page, you can see a slight changes in the color, I'm not sure if that's due to a filter they use or what.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmK7K8tfG_Q
Good catch! I thought about that after I had posted but was busy.
Remember Japan is Number one in the world at making video Games. The Worlds they create in the gaming industry for The Xbox360, PS3, and PC Games look remarkably real especially in HD.
I think the Kaguya was made by one of their best video game manufacturers they are the best at creating virtual worlds!! The moon would be easy for them to create. Does The Kaguya footage match what we had seen with the NASA Orbiters no it does not.
The video taken during the Kaguya/Selene mission was not really part of the mission, it was a publicity job by NHK, they are the copyright owners.
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on September 25, 2012, 07:05:47 PM
Does The Kaguya footage match what we had seen with the NASA Orbiters no it does not.
Some examples would be good. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on September 25, 2012, 11:58:46 PM
Some examples would be good. :)
That is a good idea. Still of vids would be easy to get Lear has a collection of pre 1970 Moon images that is 2nd to none. I was originally was schooled by Lear on Kaguya on OMF and it was about the comparison between The Kaguya video stills and Orbiter pic of Tsiolkovsky.
Tsiolkovsky is where the EMV is on the moon and they were very different in texture and color!!
Tsiolkovsky is amazing It had been determined that a very large Electro Magnetic Vehicle (EMV) was the in the center of Tsiolkovsky.
Give me some time to post some vids or Pics. I have to do some research this is good stuff!! :) 8)
Okay left ya at it for a bit.... :D
So looking at those two OP Videos... does anyone in here still think those are really the moon?
Look at the spacecraft orbit... It passed over the moon effectively in a north/south orbit crossing over the poles...
Look at the angle of the sun (graphic at start of each video....)
When the craft is at 'high noon there would be no shadows below... or very little...
As the spacecraft crosses the pole and heads to the terminator the shadows should be long like they are at sunset...
Watch the videos again...
THERE IS NO CHANGE OF ANY OF THE SHADOWS
Not even a minor little shift...
It's like the moon below is a still photo...
8)
Well we know that the moon has colour. So where did it go to if the Kaguya footage is real? lol Ive thought it to be a model or somthign since i first saw it. I mean it really looks fake.
It seems that technology is getting worse if a a modern satalite cant outdo the older ones like Clementine or LO. I mean where are all the real HD colour photos? There hiding them somewhere :P
What i dont get is why they hid the colour in the first place? Now they have to fake footage or paint over it everytime they take a picture lol.
Quote from: zorgon on September 26, 2012, 10:19:00 AM
So looking at those two OP Videos... does anyone in here still think those are really the moon?
Highly unlikely. Or they are from some other shots... Most likely a 3D model, I'm thinking. Definitely NOT real footage.
They do lie to Us, don't They?
Quote from: zorgon on September 26, 2012, 10:19:00 AM
Look at the angle of the sun (graphic at start of each video....)
I don't think that's supposed to show the angle of the sun, only to give an idea where the Earth, Moon and Kaguya/Selene were.
QuoteWhen the craft is at 'high noon there would be no shadows below... or very little...
Only if the sun was behind Kaguya/Selene. We can see by the shadows that the sun was to one side.
QuoteAs the spacecraft crosses the pole and heads to the terminator the shadows should be long like they are at sunset...
No, in the same way here on Earth it's the same time of day from north to south (and vice-versa), but we can see that it gets darker closer to the poles.
QuoteTHERE IS NO CHANGE OF ANY OF THE SHADOWS
The sun was perpendicular to the movement of Kaguya/Selene, there wasn't any reason for the shadows to change noticeably. If the sun was shining from the west while Kaguya/Selene was moving from north to south (or south to north), the shadows would always be projected from west to east, with the only possible change in position coming from the angle of the axis of rotation of the Moon.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 27, 2012, 12:51:33 AM
but we can see that it gets darker closer to the poles.
The getting darker is simply a darkening of the image overall, a Fase to Black and you don't need to be a film maker to see that. The shadows have not changed (blending into the coming dark) nor the amount of sunlight. Its simply dimming the overall lights down on the video
The shadows never change.
I want to watch the whole film but I cannot find it any longer and it didn't save when it was first briefly released
Do you have a copy of the original HD one they offered at the beginning?
QuoteThe sun was perpendicular to the movement of Kaguya/Selene, there wasn't any reason for the shadows to change noticeably. If the sun was shining from the west while Kaguya/Selene was moving from north to south (or south to north), the shadows would always be projected from west to east, with the only possible change in position coming from the angle of the axis of rotation of the Moon.
For there to be zero change in shadow would require that both the Moon and the Sun remain at a fixed point in space. However we know that both the moon rotates and the sun and moon moves in orbit.
The shadows would not remain static
The Japanese moon is either a still photo or a plaster of Paris model :P
And they colored it purple in the beginning and these videos are the color of moldy green cheese. And we KNOW that the moon has more color than the monotone green that Japan is using as even the original Apollo photos show us brown green and orange hues
So there is NO WAY that the Japanese footage is live of the moon... NO WAY at all
And yes as was pointed out the SIZE of the Earth in those two videos does not match and does not match NASA's own version
And speaking of shadows...
The Lunar Orbiter pictures show the hills on the moon to be sharp pointy craigs with boulders everywhere and long pointy shadows
The Apollo hills are smooth and featureless :P
Quote from: zorgon on September 27, 2012, 01:13:09 AM
For there to be zero change in shadow would require that both the Moon and the Sun remain at a fixed point in space. However we know that both the moon rotates and the sun and moon moves in orbit.
How much would the Moon and the Sun change their relative positions during the duration of the video?
Quote from: ArMaP on September 27, 2012, 01:35:44 AM
How much would the Moon and the Sun change their relative positions during the duration of the video?
Don't know yet. I originally started this at ATS with BigFatFurryTexan and then continued it at Open Minds and all that data is lost.
The full film as I recall was several orbits... would that not be enough to show change?
How long does it take to show change of shadow length on Earth?
How long does it take Kaguya to complete one orbit"
Is that not enough time to see some change? At the very least a diffusion of the shadow with the surrounding terrain as the sunlight fades? Would not the shadow edges lose there definition as it fades?
The more I watch those Japanese moon images, the more phony they look.
At the very least they have been manipulated. There is no possible way that is a HD live version
At the speed of movement, One should see shadow changes overall - and esp. for a full orbit. In fact, One would expect to see a day side and a night side in a complete orbit OR a movement along the terminus of the sun-side/antisun-side...
So yeah... If there was no black night side footage - it is NOT what They say it is.
Quote from: zorgon on September 27, 2012, 01:49:10 AM
The full film as I recall was several orbits... would that not be enough to show change?
I have never seen the full film, only the small pieces that were published.
QuoteHow long does it take to show change of shadow length on Earth?
To be noticeable, at least two hours, I guess.
QuoteHow long does it take Kaguya to complete one orbit"
2 hours.
QuoteIs that not enough time to see some change? At the very least a diffusion of the shadow with the surrounding terrain as the sunlight fades? Would not the shadow edges lose there definition as it fades?
We never see a full orbit, as we only see the day side of the Moon. As far as I understand it, I have never seen even half orbit, from pole to pole.
QuoteThe more I watch those Japanese moon images, the more phony they look.
Maybe because that's what you want to see? ;)
QuoteAt the very least they have been manipulated. There is no possible way that is a HD live version
They were not supposed to be live, they were captured and sent to Earth, like the photos. As NHK is the copyright owner I suppose they were publish after (at least) being seen by them.
Is this topic still a work in progress? I'm fascinated. I want to learn more about the portals.