I am curious what People think of the info Ian Lungold offers. It's quite interesting...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ufWklydk3U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKDpnQnFACg
I found his ideas intriguing but if his theory on the calender measuring the flow of creation to be nonsense or we would be having exponential leaps and bounds of technology happening on a monthly basis. I'll forget about him after nothing happens on Dec 21.
it's been awhile since i sat thur it all but i found him very interesting
would have to go back and listen to some of it to refresh
http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2011/02/11/ian-lungold-secrets-of-the-mayan-calendar-unveiled-1of3/
I first learned about Ian and his site, http://www.mayanmajix.com/ back in 2005. It is one of my main sources for news; I have visited it probably at least once per two days ever since.
Ian's work ties in with Terrence McKenna's Timewave Zero model, although as far as I know, it was developed independently. Ian came up with a very interesting model of mapping known history with the steps of one of the Mayan pyramids. He believed that December 21, 2012 was going to be a very important date.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om1Rr3ra3yQ
This is Bashar's summary of the December 2012 event. This mirrors the belief that I have had myself, about this event, for probably ten years now. It is not an apocalypse in any negative sense; but it is, for the most part, a departure from what has been referred to as "consensus reality," as such.
I liked the Bashar vid Petrus; can't come quick enough for me.
Quote from: Ellirium113 on September 28, 2012, 05:00:57 AM
I found his ideas intriguing but if his theory on the calender measuring the flow of creation to be nonsense or we would be having exponential leaps and bounds of technology happening on a monthly basis. I'll forget about him after nothing happens on Dec 21.
And maybe We are...in black projects. Maybe it's being kept from the peons, the slaves...
Quote from: petrus4 on September 28, 2012, 05:50:01 AM
This is Bashar's summary of the December 2012 event. This mirrors the belief that I have had myself, about this event, for probably ten years now. It is not an apocalypse in any negative sense; but it is, for the most part, a departure from what has been referred to as "consensus reality," as such.
"Apocalypse" means "unveiling," or "revealing," after all... Not inherently negative.
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 28, 2012, 06:11:52 AM
"Apocalypse" means "unveiling," or "revealing," after all... Not inherently negative.
I know, Amy; but the common implication is usually negative, even if the real definition of the word is not.
Quote from: petrus4 on September 28, 2012, 05:50:01 AM
This is Bashar's summary of the December 2012 event. This mirrors the belief that I have had myself, about this event, for probably ten years now. It is not an apocalypse in any negative sense; but it is, for the most part, a departure from what has been referred to as "consensus reality," as such.
There is no event. It is just a date on a calender. If there is an event it will be stage managed. That is how prophecy has been used it the past by those wishing to influence humanity.
"So it is written, so shall it be" - Ramses II (Yul Brynner - The Ten Commandments)
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The people who will wake up the next day and say there is a new consensus already believe what they will then.
The actual astronomical stuff that has been promulgated is complete and utter nonsense, as I have shown elsewhere.
I remember reading the Plaiadian Connection back in the day. I believed it at the time. I learned astronomy and now know it is nonsense.
People from time immemorial have always believed that their time was a special one. People have dreamed of apocalypse even in our lifetimes. Remember the millennium when Hancock and co tried to organise an event at the great pyramid?
It is a method of control. you stir up an apocalyptic anticipation, stage manage an event and people will believe what you want them to. It's how religions and belief systems can be created. That is what the Edgar Cayce/Robert Bauvals/Graham Hancocks were trying to tap into. That is what is going on with "Galactic Command", "Ashtar Command" and The Nine and so on.
Remember, I said this and take another look at my thread about mind control. I know what I am talking about.
Quote from: Pimander on September 28, 2012, 08:56:58 AM
There is no event. It is just a date on a calender.
A few years ago, I made a tee shirt, all black with bold white letters on the front, it read:
12-22-2012 DAY OF LAUGHTER
Quote from: Pimander on September 28, 2012, 08:56:58 AM
There is no event. It is just a date on a calender. If there is an event it will be stage managed. That is how prophecy has been used it the past by those wishing to influence humanity.
Maybe I should put it another way. I've noticed for at least the last decade or so, as I'm sure you have yourself, Pimander, that we've been building towards something. If you're going to ask me whether or not said "something," will definitely occur in December, I'd honestly say that it is unlikely.
Things have been changing. I remember one day in 2008, while meditating, that I could not believe how much deeper I was able to go at that point in time, after only a few minutes, compared to previous years; and I've been meditating on and off since my late teens. At the same time, if you haven't been able to see the literally unprecedented levels of social and environmental turbulence that have occurred in the last twelve years, then I can only assume that you've been living underground.
The point is, that there's something unusual about the current time; and although I know a lot of it is staged, I think it's a stretch to assume that it all is. I don't think I'm being too much of a New Age moonbat to make that statement. As a date, 21/12/12 or 13.0.0.0 aren't necessarily definite times when something identifiable is going to happen; I'd look at it more as being the midpoint, or perhaps not even that, during a particular trend of weird stuff that is going on. 2007 was a busy year for me, too; and odd stuff happened last November, so no, it's definitely not just this year.
It's interesting that you mention the Egyptians here, Pimander, because over the last several months, the main thing I've devoted myself to learning about, has been some elements of Egyptian sacred science; around the edges at least. Being able to use Minecraft as a testbed environment for some of these principles, allowed me to work out that 9/11 is a numerologically, and geometrically significant number combination.
Learning about, and to a small extent experimenting with the system of Egyptian binary mathematics, I started realising some things which had never occurred to me earlier. More than anything else, mathematics to me is a way of inserting reference points into what might otherwise be an entirely empty space. Maths is a mapping system; or perhaps more to the point, maths is actually a particular terrain itself.
What led me to this, was the realisation that certain numbers serve as intersection points. If you can learn what a given set of intersection points are, (in terms of particular numbers which can be mathematically expressed or evaluated in an unusually high number of different ways) then you can use those like waypoints or rungs on a ladder, to climb up or down to whatever other number you want or need.
1 8
2 16
4 32
8 64
16 128
32 256
64 512
If you need to get to 768, add the last two together, and by doing that in both columns, that tells you that 96 x 8 = 768.
The minor example which I can mainly remember discovering, was 72. I thought 72 was significant for two reasons. The first was that there were at least two ways of reaching it, via the times table that I knew; 6 x 12, and 9 x 8. The other significant thing was that 72 itself is a number which contains both an odd and even digit, and one of the multiplication sums that add up to it (9 x 8) contain both an odd and an even number as well.
The reason why this is significant, is because experimenting with the Egyptian system, showed me that whole numbers are more or less difficult to reach, based on two factors.
a} The divisor number being used; whether it is odd or even.
b} The trailing digit in a two or more digit long number.
So if you're evaluating odd numbers as one example, it's possibly going to be easier to get whole numbers, if your divisor is also odd.
Did you never wonder why the psychopaths chose 9/11 as the particular date, and why that matches the emergency phone number in the US? Numbers have power; I would expect you to know this. So even if we can say that a particular day is just a date on a calendar, the point is that markers are, in themselves, what numbers actually are. If you take a completely blank space, and arbitrarily declare that a certain point in said space corresponds with a given number, then literally the only substance or fabric that marker will have, is the information of the number itself.
So what does 12/21/12 mean numerologically? What does 13.0.0.0 mean numerologically? We've just arbitrarily stuck them there, at that particular point, you might say. So, ironically, in that sense, you're actually absolutely correct. Whatever happens, if anything does, in December, will be the result of the energetic significance that point has, due to the numbers that
we have arbitrarily assigned to that point.
QuoteThat is what is going on with "Galactic Command", "Ashtar Command" and The Nine and so on.
Ashtar
is absolute BS. No arguments with you there, whatsoever.
Quote from: Pimander on September 28, 2012, 08:56:58 AM
It is a method of control. you stir up an apocalyptic anticipation, stage manage an event and people will believe what you want them to. It's how religions and belief systems can be created. That is what the Edgar Cayce/Robert Bauvals/Graham Hancocks were trying to tap into. That is what is going on with "Galactic Command", "Ashtar Command" and The Nine and so on.
It's really very simple actually...
It is a question of mind over matter... The premise being if enough people believe something it will manifest
Hitler did it... he convinced millions his path was right, The RC Church did it, Islam did it.
You convince or force enough people to think your way, you can then channel that collective energy to achieve a goal.
Amy and Petrus believe that... trying to convince enough people to reach their perceived tipping point
That is how cults work too...
Fortunately human will is not currently powerful enough nor focused enough to really manifest Nibiru :P
Evil and Good are equal in power, but the very nature of evil is self destructive tending to achieve chaos while good is creative tending towards order.
So for every 100 people that are shouting doom and gloom there are more quietly keeping the order
Human will and free though are getting stronger... hence the current turmoil in the world as the two forces oppose each other more openly
I have saved some really good spirits for this Yule celebration... and I plan to start 2013 of with a bang :D Only not too loud as I will likely have a hangover :P
Quote from: petrus4 on September 28, 2012, 09:41:15 AM
So what does 12/21/12 mean numerologically?
12-21-2012 --->11 which is the first of three master numbers in numerology
But the Maynas made no predictions of doom for that day
QuoteWhat does 13.0.0.0 mean numerologically? We've just arbitrarily stuck them there, at that particular point, you might say.
Well that sequence would be 4 :P
Dates beyond b'ak'tun 13
QuoteA Stele 1 at Coba gives a date of 13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.0.0.0.0, or twenty units above the b'ak'tun, placing it either 4.134105 × 1028 (41 octillion) years in the future, or an equal distance in the past. This date is 3 quintillion times the age of the universe as determined by cosmologists.
QuoteAshtar is absolute BS. No arguments with you there, whatsoever.
Really? I channel his Sister in my creams :D
(http://iona-inner.net/images/star-%20priestess.jpg)
Now, THAT was Freudian... :P
;)
I have saved some really good spirits for this Yule celebration
anyone we would know?
Quote from: petrus4 on September 28, 2012, 05:50:01 AM
I first learned about Ian and his site, http://www.mayanmajix.com/ back in 2005. It is one of my main sources for news; I have visited it probably at least once per two days ever since.
Ian's work ties in with Terrence McKenna's Timewave Zero model, although as far as I know, it was developed independently. Ian came up with a very interesting model of mapping known history with the steps of one of the Mayan pyramids. He believed that December 21, 2012 was going to be a very important date.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om1Rr3ra3yQ
This is Bashar's summary of the December 2012 event. This mirrors the belief that I have had myself, about this event, for probably ten years now. It is not an apocalypse in any negative sense; but it is, for the most part, a departure from what has been referred to as "consensus reality," as such.
First saw this a couple of years ago and it led me back to Terrence McKenna's stuff....I had a hard time with that, particularly the cyclic "speed up" stuff. The only thing speeding up on me is the aging process. The Mayan's were mapping something from their cosmological viewpoint, It's just a calender, in 2013 we get a new one, maybe some of us go 4D and we get a different calender...Maybe the sun burps or the polar caps/magnetic field flip and we get to the restart button..Maybe ET will save us, but methinks we have to save ourselves, Welcome to the age of Aquarius.
Quote from: zorgon on September 28, 2012, 11:53:46 AM
Really? I channel his Sister in my creams :D
(http://iona-inner.net/images/star-%20priestess.jpg)
I bet you do. :P
Quote from: thorfourwinds on September 28, 2012, 12:53:03 PM
Now, THAT was Freudian... :P
(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/funny-laughing-smiley-emoticon.gif)
Quote from: Pimander on September 28, 2012, 03:38:28 PM
I bet you do. :P
(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/funny-laughing-smiley-emoticon.gif)
Is that Scarlett Johansen?
Le
MEN! [I roll My eyes] [grin]
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 28, 2012, 06:45:47 PM
MEN! [I roll My eyes] [grin]
Maybe that is what happens at the end of the Great Mayan Calender. It will start raining men! :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqXUpe3jlkA
I hope there's a good, brilliant, loving one that falls near Me. Tired of all the saps I have been involved with, I tell Ya what!
Quote from: Littleenki on September 28, 2012, 04:19:24 PM
Is that Scarlett Johansen?
No she is a Pleiadian Priestess. :P
And yawl remeber Billy Meier? He had one too...
(http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/meier/gaiaguys/SemjaseByDejansmall.jpg)
And after that encounter I hear tell he had quite a few women groupies
So lets not rule out those Pleiadians just yet :P
In fact I think I will do a thread :D Just for Nostalgia :D
Quote from: zorgon on September 28, 2012, 07:54:55 PM
And yawl remeber Billy Meier? He had one too...
I never did look into the Meier story....
Quote from: zorgon on September 28, 2012, 11:32:16 AM
Amy and Petrus believe that... trying to convince enough people to reach their perceived tipping point
That is how cults work too...
You're correct that I have been devoting too much effort, towards being evangelical recently. Something else that I've also realised over the last few days, however, is that the problem is not genuinely one of Amy's or my ideas being too impractical. The real reason is simply that said ideas are not what most people
want.
I have scarcely seen any obstacles to the realisation of a desired vision, that humanity has not been able to overcome, if the desire to do so has been strong enough. I am equally convinced that the same is true here. We talk about our levels of greed, hatred, depravity, and amorality in general terms, as though they are simply elements of an intractable human nature, when the reality is, that such is simply an easy way out.
Virtually none of us have any real desire to overcome these characteristics; in the case of most of us in the West, why should we? In the case of America in particular, it is never she herself who suffers as a result of her crimes; it is the other countries that have been invaded, bombed, or had their resources stolen and their citizenry enslaved, in the vain attempt to satiate American greed.
It's easy to defend an inherently unjust order of things, when you are one of the beneficiaries of said order. Theft from, and destruction of, ever increasing parts of the rest of the world becomes necessary to support the Western way of life; yet observe the American psychological reaction, hideous primarily due to the nakedness of its' transparent hypocrisy, during the two occasions in history, when some of the imperially inflicted misery has dared to come home.
So what we are really saying, then, is that a social, political, and economic order which destroys the majority of the world, for the sake of perhaps 5-10% of its' population, is completely acceptable; but that attempting to implement anything which might produce a more just scenario, is impractical to the point of being impossible. Again I ask; is it really impossible, or is it in fact
not wanted, whether it were possible or not?
If there is one area where I will confess that Amaterasu's and my persepective are different, it is in our view of human nature. Amaterasu believes that if only people are sufficiently exposed to the right information, then eventually they will come around and begin to implement a more positive scenario.
I, on the other hand, have had more than enough exposure to Man's apparent, insatiable craving for his own extinction; and again, that is the real issue here. I know that in America in particular, there are plenty of people who would prefer to see our entire species wiped out, than a scenario where their own lives were not made possible exclusively at other's expense, while they live at the top of the global economic hierarchy. Amaterasu is sufficiently noble psychologically, that she is above the tendency to feel outrage. I am not.
So please; let us be honest. It is not so much that the creation of a better scenario is not possible; it is simply that those who currently govern and profit from the existing one will not tolerate it, and that at this stage in the game, they have also successfully brainwashed the majority of the population into thinking that said current scenario, is the only possible one which exists.
And you accuse Amaterasu and myself of being victims of mind control?
I disagree, Petrus. It's not that They don't WANT it. It's that They can't shift paradigms.
I cannot tell You how many have said to Me, "That would be AWESOME! But it won't work because of..." Greed, power-hungry People, popularity...
They can't see the function of society in an abundance paradigm. They WANT it but cannot see how it works. They (like a board owner I know) are stuck in the scarcity paradigm.
Quote from: Pimander on September 28, 2012, 08:56:58 AM
There is no event. It is just a date on a calender. If there is an event it will be stage managed. That is how prophecy has been used it the past by those wishing to influence humanity.
"So it is written, so shall it be" - Ramses II (Yul Brynner - The Ten Commandments)
I've actually got another question here, Pimander. Let's say, hypothetically, that there perhaps will be a stage managed "event." Let's also say that the cabal themselves, will be doing it for their own purposes, because they want to get rid of any last semblance of human society as we've previously known it, in order to introduce, for want of a better term, the Georgia Guidestones nightmare.
My question is, that if the cabal can pick dates arbitrarily, and decide that that is when they're going to change everything, why can't we? Why do we always assume, that the only things which are possible or practical, are those things which give
them the advantage, and leave the rest of us powerless?
So my point is; they can decide that that date is going to be when civilisation collapses, and when we will supposedly be permanently and intractably under their thumb and control, for good. We on the other hand, can decide that said date actually signifies exactly the opposite; a time when they are no longer an impediment to us having a positive scenario. There are a lot of people in the world who are already doing just that. When I did the permaculture course last year, I met a number of them, and I've seen others online.
I'm becoming very tired of disempowerment and defeatism, personally. One of the most positive ideas I've come across, which I think I've mentioned before, is one of the core elements of what Peter Carroll and a few other people started calling chaos magick. Namely, that we have the ability to take whatever is thrown at us psychologically, culturally, and in every other respect, and turn it around so that it actually works to our own advantage, even if its' original intent was exactly the opposite.
That is exactly the use to which I intend to put the current hype about this December.
Quote from: petrus4 on September 29, 2012, 12:49:45 AM
The real reason is simply that said ideas are not what most people want.
Precisely :D And yet the whole plan is to allow people to do what they want :D
QuoteWe talk about our levels of greed, hatred, depravity, and amorality in general terms, as though they are simply elements of an intractable human nature, when the reality is, that such is simply an easy way out.
key factor there is the word 'talk' 90% of people (maybe higher) that come to forums like this talk the talk but none will walk the walk
As long as Americans have their beer, Monday night football and Hollywood scandals, they are happy docile sheep :D The latest Justin Beiber news or who is sleeping with who is more important than anything. opiate of the masses
QuoteVirtually none of us have any real desire to overcome these characteristics; in the case of most of us in the West, why should we? In the case of America in particular, it is never she herself who suffers as a result of her crimes; it is the other countries that have been invaded, bombed, or had their resources stolen and their citizenry enslaved, in the vain attempt to satiate American greed.
PRC was originally envisioned to be a think tank of DOERS with a base to seek funding to help those DOERS create alternate energy... That was 6 years ago.... and today... how many actual doers do we have here so far? How many projects have been made ready to the point of presenting to an investor?
QuoteAgain I ask; is it really impossible, or is it in fact not wanted, whether it were possible or not?
Its not that simple...
The flae in the plan is no interim solutions. Those people that say they would like to see it happen are not willing to suffer hardships during the transition, which wll take the lifespan of most people
For ANY major change to happen, you have to show the interim steps that lead up to the goal. People have to know thinks will be okay .
Amy has said the average person need do nothing... but those that NEED to make the changes have no motivation to do so. They would naturally stick with a known, than risk losing everything on an unknown.
So who will lead the change? To create a society like your trying to sell will initially take a massive amount of money to start. It may be free in the end, but in this messed up economy, who will be willing to step up and start the ball rolling?
As I said, looks great on paper...
::)
QuoteIf there is one area where I will confess that Amaterasu's and my persepective are different, it is in our view of human nature. Amaterasu believes that if only people are sufficiently exposed to the right information, then eventually they will come around and begin to implement a more positive scenario.
That too is my sticking point. Simple awareness will not be enough. I strongly believe in the Secret, the Law of Attraction... but I also know that power is currently blocked by a force I have not yet identified but I have a hunch ;) Just having people believe its possible will not be enough to move this mountain
QuoteI, on the other hand, have had more than enough exposure to Man's apparent, insatiable craving for his own extinction; and again, that is the real issue here. I know that in America in particular, there are plenty of people who would prefer to see our entire species wiped out, than a scenario where their own lives were not made possible exclusively at other's expense, while they live at the top of the global economic hierarchy. Amaterasu is sufficiently noble psychologically, that she is above the tendency to feel outrage. I am not.
This is NOT exclusive to Americans.. Hitler was an Austrian, Stalin was a Russian, Mao was Chinese, Napoleon was a Frenchman, Tito was Serbian, Saddam was Iraqi, Genghis Khan was Mongolian... shall I go on? All those names all tried to push their own paradigm, all those names also wanted to wipe out the others...
Yet all failed in the end. Most plans fail due to the size and scope. The more people of diverse ideas you try to get together, the bigger chance it will fall apart.
You can get a small group to want the same thing, but you cannot have all the nations in the world want the same thing.
The only way to do that is by force and control... and we all see how well THAT works :D
QuoteSo please; let us be honest. It is not so much that the creation of a better scenario is not possible; it is simply that those who currently govern and profit from the existing one will not tolerate it, and that at this stage in the game, they have also successfully brainwashed the majority of the population into thinking that said current scenario, is the only possible one which exists.
I will bet you $20.oo that I can find at least 10 people tomorrow who would not want a society of blissful pot smoking welfare bums with robots doing everything :D
The human race, left to its own with all that free time, will do what it wants and the worst side of human nature will rear its head. History has shown this to be true...
"Idle Hands Are The Devils Playground"QuoteAnd you accuse Amaterasu and myself of being victims of mind control?
Moi? N'est ce pas mon ami
Quote from: zorgon on September 29, 2012, 11:01:26 AM
I will bet you $20.oo that I can find at least 10 people tomorrow who would not want a society of blissful pot smoking welfare bums with robots doing everything :D
This is probably the central issue. People have been trained to view misery as a virtue. As if the mandatory eight hours a day of engaging in some pointless, soul destroying task that you hate, is the only legitimate form of justification for human existence; and that we have to do that in order to literally earn the right to continue to
exist. Unless you're already a billionaire, happiness is apparently a capital crime.
Quote from: petrus4 on September 29, 2012, 11:14:36 AM
This is probably the central issue. People have been trained to view misery as a virtue.
Well your wrong. not everyone is living in misery. Most people I know are quite happy doing what they want. Sure things are a bit tight with the general economy, but no misery.
My biggest issue that I was not prepared for was my legs going bad making it impossible to do the work I was doing. And that job was paying $35.00 an hour straight time. It was effectively a part time (on call) job with a better than full time paycheck
So no one at fault really but maybe my genes :D And all those I know are mostly the same age group and its medical issues that concern us.
So those I know are not brainwashed at all. We have always done what we wanted to do and made things happen. Perhaps had we been a little less wild and free and put more away into the nest egg... :P But all and all no misery
Mavericks we were... did more things in a year than most people do in a lifetime and paid my own way
QuoteAs if the mandatory eight hours a day of engaging in some pointless, soul destroying task that you hate, is the only legitimate form of justification for human existence; and that we have to do that in order to literally earn the right to continue to exist. Unless you're already a billionaire, happiness is apparently a capital crime.
Hmmm well I don't know anyone that doesn't like the job they are doing and none of us are billionaires nor millionaires. John comes the closest :P but he is not rich either, just has a bigger house with even bigger bills :D
Perhaps that is because when your a maverick you tend to associate with other Mavericks Like attracts like, Law of Attraction
Things can be tough for a period of time, usually happens when you get lazy or complacent and don't watch your back. Always managed to pull out and this time will be no different.
The job I has was hard and fast physical work, but it was a lot of fun and a challenge. Miss doing it and all the free time between calls and all the free goodies after the events
i probably will go back in january and pick up some of the light duty at Casino setups :D I love those because they are what we call 4 hour mini's You get paid a minimum 4 hours even if it only takes you half an hour to set up a popup booth.
I blame Obama though, fro telling people not to come to Vegas. THAT really hurt the pocket book... LOL last time he came to Vegas he had an extra armed detachment I wonder if he was worried the teamster would be angry with him after he reneged on a deal for election support?
::)
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 29, 2012, 02:16:43 AM
I cannot tell You how many have said to Me, "That would be AWESOME! But it won't work because of..." Greed, power-hungry People, popularity...
A few years back before I came to ATS (and ruined my life :) )we were on the verge of building a Dream... The Dream eventually was put in Limbo due to three deaths in the group, but before that we ran into a curious situation
Hundreds of those we presented the concept to would say "That's AWESOME, I want to be a part of that" Those people were a select target group, in other words those with a direct interest in such a project.
As we got going and it began to look like this could actually happen ( we have a signed venture capital deal for $200 Million, a deal that is STILL on the table 6 years later)...
... what happened was that these gung ho supporters now realized there was a serious chance this could happen and that would mean they would have to work according to their promised commitments. And most of them ran like scared little rabbits.
Moral of the story is that most people will not walk the walk... They will talk and tell you how great the idea is, but when push comes to shove, they will abandon you in a heart beat
And the plan was that everyone involved would be a partner/share holder in a co-op like business.
The rub was these very people were already doing this part time at small events...
So I know human nature first hand... talk and a good idea is not enough
QuoteThey can't see the function of society in an abundance paradigm. They WANT it but cannot see how it works.
Well its hard to see it if there is no clearly defined road map to getting there. And we HAD a very detailed road map for our plan... with abundance galore for everyone involved and very little effort needed to make it happen... But it didn't work either
QuoteThey (like a board owner I know) are stuck in the scarcity paradigm.
::)
So anyone out there want to help build a Dream? I have a few good years left in me and I can direct things from a wheelchair if it gets to that point :P
Just need "A Few Good Men (or women)" 8)
Here's the difference... What I propose is planetary, would have many who would work to set policy to go forward (spend government money to bring it into being) - no more work than passing any other bill, and most People don't need to do anything differently.
In Your project, You have a few (compared to billions of Us) who would need to spend time (and possibly money) doing something other than what They are doing now.
So... To compare plans is like the apples and oranges...
Quote from: zorgon on September 29, 2012, 11:52:34 AM
So anyone out there want to help build a Dream? I have a few good years left in me and I can direct things from a wheelchair if it gets to that point :P
Just need "A Few Good Men (or women)" 8)
Zorg, I am in the same boat you are, getting old with bad wheels, but I am still kicking, just not as high; can you give an inkling of what it would take to launch this "ship" without letting the cat out of the bag?
seeker
Oh, and as for building dreams... Would love to!