wow and you thought you had some junk around..yikes
if Et does anything they should make us pick up the trash
humans..the only ones who foul their own nest..
sigh
International Space Station Will Move To Different Orbit To Avoid Debris AP | Posted: 10/03/2012 2:43 am EDT Updated: 10/03/2012 6:36 am EDT
QuoteMOSCOW (AP) — The Russian space program's Mission Control Center says it will move the International Space Station into a different orbit to avoid possible collision with a fragment of debris
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QuoteNASA estimates that more than 21,000 fragments of orbital debris larger than 10 centimeters (3.9 inches) are stuck in earth's orbit, and experts worry that orbiting junk is becoming a growing problem for the space industry.
entire article here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/03/space-station-move_n_1934642.html
I had an inetersting thought about Space Junk the other day but unfortanatley the exact wording is not with me right now. Went something like this:
Why do we need to keep monitoring Space Junk and why is it becoming such a threat ?
That in itself could be answered without a tinfoil hat ofc... but thats not how I roll on this matter when I read someone with doctor to their name from a joint OZ/USA program talk of having fun using a star trek tractor style plamsa beam in space to move Space Junk :D
With tin foil hat one could think quite easily that the nations of the world are blasting each other up in Orbit. Honestly, I don't think that is going on at all, as all the percieved power nations are pretty much hunky dory with hands in each others pockets allowing each other to fake space related activities for public consumption.
I do wonder if all them black triangles etc are infact having a few skirmish's with ET in orbit though and seriously consider the idea as being quite possible ;D
I guess having the Space Station in dire need to move due to space junk also makes for a good re4ason to appropriate funds into Space Escapades without the public knowing too ;D
Guess we're gonna need one of these...
(//)
I think so, andolin!
Quote from: andolin on October 03, 2012, 08:24:42 PM
Guess we're gonna need one of these...
(//)
O nooooooessss :D
Someone behind a lectern in Orbit BAD NEWS ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Somamech on October 03, 2012, 08:35:21 PM
O nooooooessss :D
Someone behind a lectern in Orbit BAD NEWS ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Folks,
I have been watching a number of the ISS videos on YT and looking at Vids on Martyn S YT page, on a number of the vids it is possible to see what look like meteorites flash thru the field of view at quite energetic rates - ;D
And I was wondering if anyone had any documented evidence if the ISS or the US Shuttles had ever had impacts with meteorites or other space debris?? - because I would find it amazing to discover that in all the time we have had space flight that none of the vehicles we have put into Low Earth Orbit have never had a hit :P
I know space is a big place but we do get regular visits from meteor showers.. and it looks like those meteorites are moving at a epic rate of knots #thingsthatmakemego Hhhmmmm..
:o :o :P
Also solar storms and radiation.. have the ISS / Soyuz programs ever recorded the actual radiation levels that these storms create(d) ?? :-\
Any links or info are gratefully received (and if this is the wrong thread or duplicate please accept my apologies)
Cheers! :-)
Fans'
Quote from: fansongecho on August 02, 2017, 08:13:45 PM
And I was wondering if anyone had any documented evidence if the ISS or the US Shuttles had ever had impacts with meteorites or other space debris?? - because I would find it amazing to discover that in all the time we have had space flight that none of the vehicles we have put into Low Earth Orbit have never had a hit :P
I think that they found a small particle embedded on a Space Shuttle window, but I'm not sure.
QuoteAlso solar storms and radiation.. have the ISS / Soyuz programs ever recorded the actual radiation levels that these storms create(d) ?? :-\
They probably record it as part of their ongoing medical investigations.
Quote from: ArMaP on August 02, 2017, 10:34:21 PM
I think that they found a small particle embedded on a Space Shuttle window, but I'm not sure.
They probably record it as part of their ongoing medical investigations.
I've read micrometeorites constantly bombard stuff in orbit, which makes sense.
Quote from: fansongecho on August 02, 2017, 08:13:45 PM
And I was wondering if anyone had any documented evidence if the ISS or the US Shuttles had ever had impacts with meteorites or other space debris?
The shuttles was reported to have an occasional ping during inspection; I believe that the solar panels for the ISS have had a ping or two, and one of the astronauts cut his glove on one of the walk rails on the ISS that had sustained micrometeorite damage
8)
Seeker
Quote from: fansongecho on August 02, 2017, 08:13:45 PM
Hi Folks,
And I was wondering if anyone had any documented evidence if the ISS or the US Shuttles had ever had impacts with meteorites or other space debris?? - because I would find it amazing to discover that in all the time we have had space flight that none of the vehicles we have put into Low Earth Orbit have never had a hit :P
(https://www.nasa.gov/centers/wstf/images/content/283097main_sts35ShuttleWindowImpact.jpg)
STS-35 Space Shuttle window pit from orbital debris impact.
[Micrometeoroids and Orbital Debris (MMOD)https://www.nasa.gov/centers/wstf/laboratories/hypervelocity/mmod.html
Here's what space debris does to the Kevlar shielding protecting the International Space Station
(https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/esa-kevlar-space-debris-inner-aluminium-wall-640x424.jpg)
The spacecraft's hull, beneath the Kevlar shielding. Scorched, but unharmed.
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/185150-heres-what-space-debris-does-to-the-kevlar-shielding-protecting-the-international-space-station
(https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3503ab33438c5af67a4b75b8ea54c62d-c)
Challenger window
(https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-07b999a0506d5cb5f4f56ab8080775b3-c)
Mir (enlarge image and look at rightmost solar panel)
(https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e4760160e793e65401028ea622b18934-c)
(http://www.armaghplanet.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/image-of-challenger-fleck-of-paint-damage.jpg)
Endeavor:
(https://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/Images/StarChild/questions/window_hit.gif)
(https://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/impact-on-shuttle-window.jpg)
Officials from the space shuttle program have said the shuttle regularly takes hits from space debris, and over 80 windows had to be replaced over the years. The ISS occasionally has to take evasive maneuvers to avoid collisions with space junk. And of course, this debris is not just sitting stationary: in orbit, relative velocities can be quite large, ranging in the tens of thousands of kilometers per hour.
(http://www.esa.int/var/esa/storage/images/esa_multimedia/images/2005/03/hubble_solar_panel_damage2/10215468-2-eng-GB/Hubble_solar_panel_damage_medium.jpg)
Hubble solar panel damage
http://www.esa.int/About_Us/ESOC/Space_debris_assessing_the_risk
https://youtu.be/C-dwdNecz44
Quote from: zorgon on August 03, 2017, 10:34:09 PM
(https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3503ab33438c5af67a4b75b8ea54c62d-c)
Challenger window
(https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-07b999a0506d5cb5f4f56ab8080775b3-c)
Mir (enlarge image and look at rightmost solar panel)
(https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e4760160e793e65401028ea622b18934-c)
(http://www.armaghplanet.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/image-of-challenger-fleck-of-paint-damage.jpg)
Endeavor:
(https://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/Images/StarChild/questions/window_hit.gif)
(https://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/impact-on-shuttle-window.jpg)
Officials from the space shuttle program have said the shuttle regularly takes hits from space debris, and over 80 windows had to be replaced over the years. The ISS occasionally has to take evasive maneuvers to avoid collisions with space junk. And of course, this debris is not just sitting stationary: in orbit, relative velocities can be quite large, ranging in the tens of thousands of kilometers per hour.
(http://www.esa.int/var/esa/storage/images/esa_multimedia/images/2005/03/hubble_solar_panel_damage2/10215468-2-eng-GB/Hubble_solar_panel_damage_medium.jpg)
Hubble solar panel damage
http://www.esa.int/About_Us/ESOC/Space_debris_assessing_the_risk
Cheers Z- loving the images posted :)
"Officials from the space shuttle program have said the shuttle regularly takes hits from space debris, and over 80 windows had to be replaced over the years. The ISS occasionally has to take evasive maneuvers to avoid collisions with space junk. And of course, this debris is not just sitting stationary: in orbit, relative velocities can be quite large, ranging in the tens of thousands of kilometers per hour."
Changing a window in space.. not once but 80 times, I would love to get my hands on the Tech Order Manual that details the procedure for doing this.. the Astronaut gloves they use for this must be very.. err... easy to manipulate? .. Hmmm.. :) ;)
Interesting.. interesting indeed 8)
Cheers,
Fans'
I believe if you dig a little deeper, the shuttle windows were replaced while the shuttles were on the ground, fans;
it would be utterly surprising to find that each orbiter carried extra windows...
Seeker
Hi Seeker, so the space shuttle had the windows replaced 80 times, Ok, I get that.. when back on earth :)
In a 135 missions in 30 years .. https://www.space.com/12376-nasa-space-shuttle-program-facts-statistics.html
Quite a high impact rate ..
The International Space Station has been orbiting since approximately 1998 ? I think? . looking at YT, the modular assembly looks to be feasible enough -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kie53ZDcSYE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_xmf-v6VZc
My curiosity is aroused though, why if in 19 years don't NASA report how much external damage the ISS has had due to micro-meteorites/space debris? there are a number of meteor showers through the year it would appear?
I understand the ISS has a lot of Kevlar armour .. but I am really bugged by the windows.. no damage ?? no replacement ?? Hhhmmmm.... :o
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/meteor-shower/
http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/earthskys-meteor-shower-guide
https://www.bing.com/search?q=meteor+showers&refig=f98060d23639417ad3b239a2c6d7c5c1&first=21&FORM=PORE
I am also interested in why there is little reporting of the damage to the ISS, and why in all the videos of the pictures of earth from the ISS when there are meteorite storms, why don't they stream live images of the storms from the ISS?
Also I do wonder why when camera technology is now so good, why we don't get some amazing videos of the star field outside the ISS? when they are filming the earth from the ISS windows the images are not exactly breath-taking in my humble opinion :o
I am not convinced that the ISS has the capability to survive the hostilities of space.
I am also not convinced there is a ISS -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5CvTH9zgnY
Respectfully ;D ::)
Fansongecho ;D
This is fairly good YT link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJhL7y0ahUE
:)
Worth a watch -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSzuiqVjJg4&t=61s
Quote from: fansongecho on September 19, 2017, 01:33:18 AM
I am also interested in why there is little reporting of the damage to the ISS, and why in all the videos of the pictures of earth from the ISS when there are meteorite storms, why don't they stream live images of the storms from the ISS?
They are on the other side of the atmosphere, I don't know if meteorites are as visible as when seen from below.
QuoteAlso I do wonder why when camera technology is now so good, why we don't get some amazing videos of the star field outside the ISS? when they are filming the earth from the ISS windows the images are not exactly breath-taking in my humble opinion :o
As far as I know, the ISS doesn't have special cameras, the photos we see are taken by the astronauts with common cameras.
QuoteI am also not convinced there is a ISS -
What's that thing I see from time to time?
No quotes from me -
@ ArMAP - you can see the ISS that "orbits" some 250 miles over our heads - http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Human_Spaceflight/International_Space_Station/Where_is_the_International_Space_Station
You can see this with the naked eye?..
When I used to track B52's at 30,000 feet with a number of electro-optical system they were very hard to resolve without a lot of effort.. they did come into focus - but against a clear background - when I looked outside on very clear nights with my Eyeball Mark-1 to observe the flights I could only make out the contrails of said B-52's... these guys were 6 miles above me...
I tried on a number of occasions to use the systems available to track some of the low EO satellites that were up there, specifically the, as then Soviet "Ferret" assets.. with no joy :o sad case, maybe I was a poor operator :-\
So for the record I am say in MY HUMBLE and HONEST OPINON I don't believe there is a ISS ... I could be HUGELY WRONG of course :) :)
Are the forums on here just for group think?? are we supposed to follow those with the most GOLD??
I am not dissing or saying any of you more experienced are wrong OR right , I like to see and value the views of others on here .. but I do get a certain impression :-\ :-\
Anyhoo... catch you all later. I have to go and see what Sgt Rocknroll is saying on another thread..
Respectfully.
Fansongecho 8)
Quote from: fansongecho on September 20, 2017, 12:15:42 AM
@ ArMAP - you can see the ISS that "orbits" some 250 miles over our heads - http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Human_Spaceflight/International_Space_Station/Where_is_the_International_Space_Station
You can see this with the naked eye?..
Yes, sometimes, when it's still in the sun light but it's already night on the ground, those big solar panels reflect a lot of light. I get email alerts telling me when it's going to be visible.
QuoteSo for the record I am say in MY HUMBLE and HONEST OPINON I don't believe there is a ISS ... I could be HUGELY WRONG of course :) :)
I suppose the 7 "space tourists" that stayed at the ISS will disagree. :)
QuoteAre the forums on here just for group think?? are we supposed to follow those with the most GOLD??
Only if you want to. I don't even look at that useless "gold" thing. :)
well believe it or don't there are a lot of ways to watch it..
i have gotten the co ordinates and watched something cross the sky when they said it would..pretty easy to spot when you know where to look
maybe it's just a really good test of a hologram and what can be sold to the humans..? ? ? :-\
and opinions are great things as long as they don't cause you to throw stones at others who have a different one
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Thanks for the info Space Otter :)
Top links - I will have a look at them this weekend and maybe if the ISS is in the far northern hemisphere I may catch a glimpse of the thing ?
Did you see the link on the cupola window shielding btw? :-\
Cheers,
Fansongecho :)
Quote from: fansongecho on September 21, 2017, 12:54:15 AM
Did you see the link on the cupola window shielding btw? :-\
What's the problem with the window shielding? I don't get it. ???
The physical mechanism -
Similar mechanisms have been used for a long time in submarines, and the difference in pressure in a submarine is bigger than in space, as in space you have only a difference of 1 atmosphere between the inside and the outside of a craft, while on a submarine the difference is bigger than 1 atmosphere at depths bigger than 1 metre.
I was thinking of the temperature differential between outer-space, the mechanism and the internal temperature of the ISS, how robust is the rubber in the O rings to extreme cold?
I seem to recall that a O ring that had degraded due to extremes of temperature caused the catastrophic failure of one of the SRB's on the Challenger Shuttle disaster -
Although that in itself has a "conspiracy" surrounding it -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zcc7nA6jVr0&t=28s
Quote from: fansongecho on September 21, 2017, 12:24:50 PM
I was thinking of the temperature differential between outer-space, the mechanism and the internal temperature of the ISS, how robust is the rubber in the O rings to extreme cold?
OK, that makes sense.
QuoteI seem to recall that a O ring that had degraded due to extremes of temperature caused the catastrophic failure of one of the SRB's on the Challenger Shuttle disaster -
I had to look it up, as that's a topic I never got interested into, and it looks like the fault was not on the O rings, another part failed and the combustion gases hit the O rings, that were not made to work at the extremely high temperatures of the combustion gases.