I was recently looking at all my past videos and wondering if I should re-shoot some and find more items than I previously had. I've said that while watching the published ones I could see some things that I missed. Plus in the early phase of my work I really didn't identify the photos I was using and the camera work was a little shaky (hand held cell phone). I'd like to think I've come a long way in creating these videos but who knows for sure. ::) Anyway I was watching one of my earlier videos, 1102-h1 the mining operation video, that I noticed a familiar looking anomaly. I kept looking at it and saying to myself 'I've seen this thing before'. I found that on AS11-41-6139, that same object or at least something that appeared to be similar in shape. I decided that I'd get a better opinion so I'm posting them here and you guys let me know if I'm just 'seeing' things..lolol.
The first one is from 1102-H1
(http://imageshack.us/a/img577/5378/1102h1moonbowl.png)
The second one is from AS11-41-6139
(http://imageshack.us/a/img31/8861/as116139moonbowl.png)
To me it looks like a spherical object sitting in a 'holder'. I see the same thing in both photos.
Am I imagining this? Let me know your thoughts.
Peace 8)
Rock
Thats no imgining there, Rock...it seems like a broken sphere on a platform...like a teacup perhaps.
Definitely odd to say the least...ar there spherules on the Moon which are hollow?
Cool shot!
Le
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on October 07, 2012, 04:44:15 PM
I found that on AS11-41-6139, that same object or at least something that appeared to be similar in shape.
I think that's what they call "craters". :P
Sorry ArMap, neither are 'craters' :P as you put it. They cast shadows on they're own without any surrounding items.
Rock's right, ArMaP...those arent craters...unless the sides are hollowed out, and the inside shell of them has been preserved like a teacup.
Le
Rock, perhaps my old eyes are failing, but I see a spheroid shape sitting on top of a triangular shaped base; as to it being a crater, it must be an inverted one for it is definitely casting a shadow above that of the base...
seeker
I split this topic as it may be important.
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on October 07, 2012, 05:49:37 PM
Sorry ArMap, neither are 'craters' :P as you put it. They cast shadows on they're own without any surrounding items.
Does that mean that you didn't see the other photo I posted of the area shown in AS11-41-6139, where we can see that those are craters?
Edit: This is what I was talking about.
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/as11-41-61391-1.jpg)
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/TCO_MAP_02_S06E183S09E186SC2.jpg)
If you provide a location for that "tea cup" I can try to find it in a different photo.
This one?
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/browse/AS11/41/6139.jpg)
SOURCE: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS11-41-6139
Quote from: Pimander on October 07, 2012, 09:42:34 PM
This one?
I have that one, as you can see on my previous post, what I need is the location of that small area in the Lunar Orbiter photo, as just looking for it makes it more difficult.
I've tried to point out the two craters you were talking about previously. We had this conversation before and we couldn't come to an agreement about what each of us was talking about ;D
Anyway I've pointed out the two craters I think are on your photo and the object we were talking about.
This probably didn't clear up anything..lololol
(http://imageshack.us/a/img801/2064/as116139moonbowl1.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/801/as116139moonbowl1.png/)
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Now I understand what you were saying at the time.
I hope this clears the situation.
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/Lua5.jpg)
PS: if you can put that image in the same perspective as the Apollo photo you will see that all the positions match.
OK, I'll agree that the AS11-41-6139 is just a trick of the light.
Right, now the other picture (1102-H1). It is on its side here in a picture from the Lunar Orbiter Photo Gallery on the LPI website.
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/images/preview/1102_h1.jpg)
SOURCE: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/frame/?1102
Attached (below, click to enlarge) is the "Tea Cup" rotated 2700 then cropped using GIMP. It looks a lot like a crater there I think. What you saying Sarge?
I found the location of the "tea cup" in the full view, it's marked with an yellow circumference in the image below.
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/LO1102.jpg)
I think the "tea cup" is inside Einthoven crater.
Attached (below, click to enlarge) is the "Tea Cup" rotated 2700 then cropped using GIMP. It looks a lot like a crater there I think. What you saying Sarge?
Well Pimander, my friend, I say that you've got the wrong area. ArMaP has correctly located the 'tea cup' in his post. And if you use your photo and zoom in to that area you'll see that it's not a crater. It has rounded edges and cast a shadow on the crater that it's sitting in. I still say there both anomalies and not craters.
My mistake. Looks like you're both right, I have the wrong location.
More valuable time.... :o
Hey, but this is fun man. ;D I'm having a ball ::)
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on October 09, 2012, 01:47:44 AM
And if you use your photo and zoom in to that area you'll see that it's not a crater. It has rounded edges and cast a shadow on the crater that it's sitting in.
How do you know if it's a shadow or a darker area of the ground?
QuoteI still say there both anomalies and not craters.
I still say they are both craters.
Now we need someone that says that the first is a crater and the other is an anomaly and someone that says that the first is an anomaly and the other is a crater, that way we have all the possibilities covered and we can be sure that we, collectively, can only be right. ;D
PS: and yes, it's fun, at least I think it is. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on October 09, 2012, 10:08:16 PM
I still say they are both craters.
Now we need someone that says that the first is a crater and the other is an anomaly and someone that says that the first is an anomaly and the other is a crater, that way we have all the possibilities covered and we can be sure that we, collectively, can only be right. ;D
PS: and yes, it's fun, at least I think it is. :)
Well I agree with ArMaP that the first is a crater. The second one LOOKS like a tea cup though. It could be an optical illusion. Imagine how big the tea pot must be. :o
Can anyone find a better resolution picture of that crater? I'm feeling lazy. :P
ETA: Yeah, it is fun. :)
Well we have a new shiny thing NASA found and reported on Mars :P
Seems they are on our side now... they even 'white correct' images no so they look like what we see on earth :D
"times they are a changing..."
"The second version, linked to the main version, shows the colors modified as if the scene were transported to Earth and illuminated by terrestrial sunlight. "
(http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/images/pia16054-figure_5white-br2.jpg)
LOL "terrestrial sunlight"
What Mars has a different sun that us now?
::)
Now they admit what colour Mars looks they can more easily release pictures mocked up on Earth. :o
Quote from: zorgon on October 09, 2012, 10:22:03 PM
LOL "terrestrial sunlight"
What Mars has a different sun that us now?
::)
No, a different atmosphere, as you know, silly lemming leader. ;)
But yes, things look slightly different at NASA in this mission, I don't know if there was a change of staff related to Mars missions or if that's just an evolution.
Quote from: ArMaP on October 09, 2012, 11:54:48 PM
But yes, things look slightly different at NASA in this mission, I don't know if there was a change of staff related to Mars missions or if that's just an evolution.
Maybe they read some of our threads and decided to calibrate better? :o
Quote from: Pimander on October 10, 2012, 12:00:08 AM
Maybe they read some of our threads and decided to calibrate better? :o
Things were always well calibrated, you just had to use the right images. :)
Back to the topic, I think the "tea cup" is the double crater in the centre of Einthoven crater.
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/TCO_MAP_02_S03E108S06E111SC2.jpg)
Closer view.
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/TCO_MAP_02_S03E108S06E111SC1.jpg)
PS: I rotated the photo, so north is at the bottom and south at the top, so it aligns better to the Lunar Orbiter image.
It just doesn't look as interesting on this image. Why do the old Orbiter shots look as if the have more sharp edges? A lot of the one we have used look like paper mache ruffed up with a fork.