So... I don't know what to make of this. I don't know if it was made to tell the truth and They will laugh at Us, having told Us and Us now not knowing what to believe...
This comes in a number of parts, ranging from close to half an hour for the first few pieces to 12-15 for the rest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk1-f1fewWA
All I know now is that The Abundance does away with such BS.
Some people might hold me in contempt for this, but in hindsight, I honestly feel compassion for George W. Bush. I believe he was intellectually disabled, and was placed in public situations where he was forced to attempt to answer for acts which were committed by people who were behind him. Yes, he was a psychopath himself, and he willingly made choices as well; but he was primarily a human shield.
When I look at him, I see the reality of the concept that suffering always goes both ways; it afflicts the author of it, as much as it does any of said individual's victims.
Actually... You need to watch the whole. You are probably very correct, but this isn't about HIM. It goes FAR deeper.
I am about half way through watching part 1, at this point. I will admit that I do not consider this story to be particularly relevant to me personally, since although I occasionally watch an old episode of Star Trek, I have not regularly watched contemporary broadcast television since 2002, and even the material I expose myself to on YouTube is fairly rigidly controlled.
As I said in the video's comments, the real problem is not even the fact that TV is so deceptive; but more the fact that Americans still spend large portions of their time watching television at all.
Petrus, as You watch the hole goes deeper and deeper. I'm not easy to shake up, but at the end, I was extremely rattled.
ETA: Doesn't the narrator sound much like the narrator in Loose Change?
Quote from: petrus4 on October 15, 2012, 05:45:14 AM
Some people might hold me in contempt for this, but in hindsight, I honestly feel compassion for George W. Bush. I believe he was intellectually disabled, and was placed in public situations where he was forced to attempt to answer for acts which were committed by people who were behind him. Yes, he was a psychopath himself, and he willingly made choices as well; but he was primarily a human shield.
When I look at him, I see the reality of the concept that suffering always goes both ways; it afflicts the author of it, as much as it does any of said individual's victims.
Well, I watched about eight minutes of thus movie, and was getting absolutely nothing from it, so that was enough for me. It did seem that someone probably has some sort of 'axe' to grind, as is the current modus operandi.
Petrus, regarding George Bush, there is certainly no need for you to have compassion for him for "being intellectually disabled". He did achieve a Masters Degree (MBA) from Yale, so, he is no "lost ball in the high weeds"!! You , like many others tend to believe what you hear from the pundits, and from the main stream media, whose primary purpose, while he was President, was to kill him with words. And they tried to do that for most of his eight years in office. And a lot of people accepted their lies and misinformation as gospel truth.
It is pretty easy to see through the intentions of the person questioning Bush, in the early parts of the video. Yes, his questions could be considered ok, relative to government videos, but he should be asking them to the mainstream media. For it is they who are making the broadcasts, of material which they know nothing about, or at least are not telling the public, as the questioner says!
Amy,
I have watched the whole video and I would like someone to explain exactly what it means. I know I can be pretty dumb at times.
Is the narrator saying that this seal 6 group of people are hired by the msm people to be part of false flags. I'm not sure I am understanding right.
Thanks for your patience.
How much You want to bet that degree was either given to Him (with grades changed perhaps) because Daddy wanted Him to have a degree?
Quote from: rdunk on October 15, 2012, 06:32:43 AM
Well, I watched about eight minutes of thus movie, and was getting absolutely nothing from it, so that was enough for me. It did seem that someone probably has some sort of 'axe' to grind, as is the current modus operandi.
Petrus, regarding George Bush, there is certainly no need for you to have compassion for him for "being intellectually disabled". He did achieve a Masters Degree (MBA) from Yale, so, he is no "lost ball in the high weeds"!! You , like many others tend to believe what you hear from the pundits, and from the main stream media, whose primary purpose, while he was President, was to kill him with words. And they tried to do that for most of his eight years in office. And a lot of people accepted their lies and misinformation as gospel truth.
It is pretty easy to see through the intentions of the person questioning Bush, in the early parts of the video. Yes, his questions could be considered ok, relative to government videos, but he should be asking them to the mainstream media. For it is they who are making the broadcasts, of material which they know nothing about, or at least are not telling the public, as the questioner says!
Masters from Yale, gulp. I think someone must have written his papers for him.
Hells, bells and little fishes our Petrus could make a better go of the press conference.
Quote from: Amaterasu on October 15, 2012, 06:12:50 AM
Petrus, as You watch the hole goes deeper and deeper. I'm not easy to shake up, but at the end, I was extremely rattled.
ETA: Doesn't the narrator sound much like the narrator in Loose Change?
I'm watching part 2, Amy. I admit that back in 2006 if I'd seen this, it would have shaken me; but it takes a lot to surprise me at this point. 2007 was about my first exposure to this sort of thing, when I encountered "Mr Safety," on YouTube, and a female associate of his named Lisa Nova, who had set themselves up as essentially the "Prom King and Queen," of YouTube at that point. This was back before the acquisition by Google, when YouTube was essentially based around a particular group of video uploaders, who collectively referred to themselves as the "YouTube community." While most of said people are still here today, YouTube's viewership is now so much larger, that although some of them still get the most hits on their videos, they've still just blended into the crowd at this point.
These individuals, Mr Safety (Corey Williams, real name) and Lisa Nova, (Lisa Donovan) wanted to hold something in July of 2007 called the "As One," gathering. I unfortunately can't find the original promotional video for it that Mr Safety put together, which is a shame, because it would have demonstrated to you, just what a complete psychopath this individual really is/was.
Anyway, the long and the short of it was, that this man wanted to hold a real life meetup of YouTube users and video uploaders, and tried to claim that it was intended to be a charitable event. The original promotional video, as mentioned, was one of the most cynical, emotionally manipulative attempts at psychological warfare that I think I've ever seen; and it is not surprising that he has removed it from his channel.
Corey went on to hold a number of these gatherings in different parts of the world, including near here in Melbourne, Australia; and in practice, they were virtually nothing other than narcissistic supply sessions for the individuals concerned, and head hunting sessions in which corporate PR organisations looked for usable talent, for precisely the sorts of purposes that the videos you have linked in this thread, describes.
My point is that I am well aware that there are a large number of these sorts of people operating within society, as actors. They are totally without conscience; and it is not difficult for me to believe at all, that given appropriately advanced makeup and special effects technologies, that news reports are wholly staged and manufactured within the American media, on a daily basis. Corey and his kind would have no moral difficulty whatsoever, with participating in such.
Quote from: biggles on October 15, 2012, 06:46:32 AM
Amy,
I have watched the whole video and I would like someone to explain exactly what it means. I know I can be pretty dumb at times.
Is the narrator saying that this seal 6 group of people are hired by the msm people to be part of false flags. I'm not sure I am understanding right.
Thanks for your patience.
Yes, and there's a lot more. Did You watch 2a, 2b, 2c, 3a, 3b, and a couple more (3d-a - the numbering is quite weird)?
Quote from: rdunk on October 15, 2012, 06:32:43 AM
Petrus, regarding George Bush, there is certainly no need for you to have compassion for him for "being intellectually disabled". He did achieve a Masters Degree (MBA) from Yale, so, he is no "lost ball in the high weeds"!!
Bush having a Masters' degree from Yale does not prove anything associated with his intelligence, in my opinion. The Bush family have been influential in American politics for a very long time; there is virtually no possibility that he would not get good marks from that institution, irrespective of what he did while there.
As for my opinion of his intelligence; it does not come from watching his opponents, at all; but from my observation of the man himself. Look at his reaction when initially told about 9/11, when reading to those school children. Look at the number of times he was caught back footed in question and answer sessions. He was virtually never seen in public where, unless engaging in pure monologue, he was not stumbling verbally.
Bush was a vicious, amoral psychopath in his own right, and I will never attempt to deny that. In his case, however, I remain convinced that said psychopathy was combined with borderline mental retardation. In that regard, he was the second coming of Woodrow Wilson.
Quote from: petrus4 on October 15, 2012, 06:49:34 AM
My point is that I am well aware that there are a large number of these sorts of people operating within society, as actors. They are totally without conscience; and it is not difficult for me to believe at all, that given appropriately advanced makeup and special effects technologies, that news reports are wholly staged and manufactured within the American media, on a daily basis. Corey and his kind would have no moral difficulty whatsoever, with participating in such.
I am not surprised, but at the stories that are addressed. Wait till You get to some of the missing children - including one very famous one.
I'm still watching part 2. From one thing I'm noticing here, they need to stop using stereotypically beautiful, symmetrically-faced young blonde women as their plants in protests.
Next time you're at an Occupy? protest guys, and you're looking for the cabal's plants, finding them will be easy; just look for the psychopathic blondes! ;)
LOL! Yes, I think You're right! It really gets interesting in the 3's.
Quote from: petrus4 on October 15, 2012, 06:58:00 AM
Bush having a Masters' degree from Yale does not prove anything associated with his intelligence, in my opinion. The Bush family have been influential in American politics for a very long time; there is virtually no possibility that he would not get good marks from that institution, irrespective of what he did while there.
As for my opinion of his intelligence; it does not come from watching his opponents, at all; but from my observation of the man himself. Look at his reaction when initially told about 9/11, when reading to those school children. Look at the number of times he was caught back footed in question and answer sessions. He was virtually never seen in public where, unless engaging in pure monologue, he was not stumbling verbally.
Bush was a vicious, amoral psychopath in his own right, and I will never attempt to deny that. In his case, however, I remain convinced that said psychopathy was combined with borderline mental retardation. In that regard, he was the second coming of Woodrow Wilson.
I (respectively) disagree with everything you say about George Bush, as do most "informed people"! Was/is he perfect? Nope! But, I know of no President that was. But in the modern day, no President has been attacked by the MSM as he was - and that was on a purely political basis. But, believe what you want, that is all history now, and what you believe will make no difference in the reality of today's outcomes!!
One thing though for sure, you better not make the mistake of saying this to any of the returned seriously injured servicemen, because most of them literally love him, as a leader, and as a man!! And that should say a lot to all of us!
By the way, in my opinion, there should be nothing in a rabbit hole, but "hare"!! ;)
Quote from: Amaterasu on October 15, 2012, 07:28:37 AM
LOL! Yes, I think You're right! It really gets interesting in the 3's.
More seriously though, Amaterasu, that is something I'm genuinely noticing. To a degree, when they want to make them look like protestors or students etc, they will use some blush or something to make them look sweaty; but without fail, the one thing I'm noticing about all of these actors, is how photogenic they are, and how symmetrical their faces are.
As superficial as it might initially sound, that could be a genuinely important clue, as to helping us figure out who these actors are. They are likely to all be somatic narcissists, so they're probably always going to want to look good, but they will think that it is important for the audience, that they be visually attractive as well.
EDIT:- In the interests of transparency, I am leaving the below material as part of this post. However, I am also retracting it, as I realise at this point that it was both emotive, and excessively negative. If anyone wishes to criticise me on it, that is of course your perogative; but I acknowledge the extreme, potentially pathological nature of it.
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I honestly think that this is the reason that, quite aside from being concerned about maintaining my personal appearance, I've always actually taken pains to try and make myself as visually
unpleasant as possible. I learned at an extremely young age to associate physical beauty with deception, dishonesty, cruelty, superficiality, and general evil of all kinds. The saying, "ugly as sin," is wrong. Sin is virtually never ugly; it is always gorgeous, blonde, and with the Phi ratio clearly visible in the face.
(http://www.thecinemasource.com/moviesdb/images/JessicaSimpson-1-300.jpg)
Anton LeVay, the founder of the Church of Satan, actually lists being fashionably dressed as a Satanic commandment.
It's always the most brightly coloured spiders, that are the most venomous.
Why did the black widow come to mind?
Anyway, it occurred to me that this whole presentation is indeed part of the operation being "outed," and this is like the credits at the end of the play... They laugh at how worked up We get.
Well, a possibility to strongly consider, anyway.
Quote from: petrus4 on October 15, 2012, 07:43:35 AM
It's always the most brightly coloured spiders, that are the most venomous.
...except for the Funnel Webb, Brown Recluse, and my ex!
during the first occupy ,i mentioned on ats that they should occupy the msm,that thread got killed quick.thats when i knew i hit a soft spot.ever notice how most broadcasters lie?
these are the biggest national security threat we have.they have the most effect manipulating the public.so they are the most dangerous.a good example is raycom.they own the majority of broadcasters in east texas .i constantly complain to them about the lies they tell.the devils in the details.
even joseph loughner realized this and he was nuts.
Quote from: robomont on October 15, 2012, 12:18:12 PM
during the first occupy ,i mentioned on ats that they should occupy the msm,that thread got killed quick.thats when i knew i hit a soft spot.ever notice how most broadcasters lie?
I think I pretty much always knew that Occupy was a psych op, at least on some level. I never got directly involved with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHcr_8Qgdos
This trailer was always a good laugh. Shame I can't get a copy of the actual film.
Hi, I just wanted to post something as a record that I was here so I get another notice in case something happens.
This has happened to me so fare tonight. I'm sending it to Zergon, standauffish@earthlink.net
It's not working too good yet. I tried to open the main page
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/
and it opened but...
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/05sounds_wma/Beginning.wma
opened also, so many times it crashed my Mac.
I started it up again and deleted them as they showed up until they were gone.
Is there a login or not? It doesn't show that I'm logged in. I have the main page.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/
Those extra pages show up again each time I load the home page.
They also show up when I go to...
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php
On that page the logged in information shows at the top.
I hope no one else has these problems.
It's important to get instant notices when someone replies to a post of mine or a subject I'm watching but I can't find any place to make that happen, maybe it's automatic..
Thanks for the original and large image of the moon that I downloaded.
PS, Bush was bad but obama is worse.
Quote from: Primus58 on October 15, 2012, 09:55:11 AM
...except for the Funnel Webb, Brown Recluse, and my ex!
Hehe, the Ex spider is the most venemous..bites ya right in the wallet!
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Don J..set your mac to ask first to open media files like wav or mp's..then you can disallow them the chance to open when you dont want them to.
Im not sure how to do it from a mac, but that should let you decide whether you want media to play or not before it opens up on it's own.
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Quote from: robomont on October 15, 2012, 12:18:12 PM
ever notice how most broadcasters lie? these are the biggest national security threat we have.they have the most effect manipulating the public.
This is so true... you nailed it! These broadcasters are puppets, and the television their weapon of mass destruction! I enjoy some TV too, but I can no longer watch the news... I like Petrus' label of Doom Porn... so many peddlers out there!
Given that I've had time to "sleep on it," I've had a bit more of a think about Amy's quoted video, in the OP.
If we assume that the author of the video is correct, and that people running/starring in some of the alternative material which a few of us have tended to take seriously, (Camelot/Avalon, The Disclosure Project) as well as the witnesses of 9/11, are bogus plants, the next question which logically has to arise in my own mind, is one of motive.
To me, it isn't too much of a stretch to assume that Project Camelot is bogus. As I've often said, I personally have never taken that more seriously than I would an episode of the X Files anyway. To give you an idea of how I've always regarded that series, when I was living in Nimbin, PC was one of the things that I would download episodes of onto my laptop from the Neighbourhood Center there. I would then go back to my caravan, and watch Bill, Kerry, and the latest freak of the week, accompanied by marijuana, golden top mushrooms, and M&Ms.
As one of Australia's legendary scoundrels, Mark Brandon Read once said; "Never let the truth stand in the way of a good story." ;)
Camelot/Avalon is a show where they would get some entirely random person on, (occasionally we'd get an acknowledged celebrity among the underbridge demographic, such as Wilcock or Hoagland, but that was less common) who I generally didn't know from a bar of soap, who would then make a large number of generally unfalsifiable/unverifiable statements, and who I would then apparently be expected to assign credibility to without question. It also absolutely makes sense that a single, centralised, convenient platform for the delivery of disinformation, would be of huge interest to the usual suspects.
I can also believe, 100%, that the Occupy Movement has never been anything other than an astroturf honeypot/black op. Truthfully, I had suspicions of my own along those lines, from the very beginning. So that would not surprise me in the slightest.
To a certain extent, it also makes sense that Steven Greer is selling snake oil; and this certainly wouldn't be the first time that I've heard that accusation made. Then again, the Disclosure Project is one instance where I really have to wonder.
If we hypothetically assume that the UFO scene is largely disinformation, the question then becomes, what is driving the people concerned to do that? The UFO issue to me, has always seemed like more of a nuisance to most governments, and especially the American one; something that they'd just prefer to go away, at least where the public are concerned. Wasn't that the whole point of Blue Book?
So why would they keep it going? What are they gaining from it? The usual theory apparently states that it's a cattle prod to move us towards global government, and make that seem more logical. Maybe; but truthfully, I've always had trouble with the insistence that UFOs are inherently demonic, and that there is no other life in the universe, other than on Earth. To me, it just doesn't make any logical sense. I mean, why would God make space so big, if the Earth itself was the only planet where anything is happening? Wasted space, to me is not consistent with the way Nature observably works.
Ditto with the bogus witnesses of the explosions during 9/11. Controlled demolition theory, from everything I've ever seen, is not what the American government wants people to believe about 9/11; it's the exact opposite. So them planting people on the ground to make false testimony to lead us in that direction, to me makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
911 brought us 1984.i cant even drive across my town without a police escort.in texas a state trooper,game wardens ,land surveyors and cps dont need a warrant to come on your land.
better to have no law then to have corrupt law.
Petrus,
The why of the bogus ET stuff is to hide the fact that there ARE ET's, to paint Them in a certain light... To set Out expectations.
Nice thinking, overall!
Mark Chopper Read, sliced part of his ear off with a razor blade in gaol, spent 23 years or more in gaol and held a judge by gunpoint to try and release a friend from gaol.
Was taken out for a ride in the boot of a car into the woods, made to dig his own grave, then when the guy wasnt looking Mark Chopper Read belted him a good one with the shovel and got into his car and drove away.
This video has unfortunately disappeared, Amy. Any possibility of a mirror somewhere? Unfortunately I can't even remember the guy's name, now; although I remember it was good stuff.
i didn't get to see it!
as far as your commentary, petrus, that was excellent. my view with the positions taken by gov on virtually any topic, is that they have established a line in the sand, where the dems on one side, represent the educated progressive youth, and the repubs, the older, less educated (supposedly) status quo. this is not even remotely accurate, but they try to maintain that view in varous media forms because stereotypes are absolutely crucial for manipulation of large groups.
for example, there are many republicans and people of faith as well, who believe ETs exist. but if you heard one of the ET alternative shows discuss it you'd think they created ETs and only dems are invited to the party cause religious people are not progressive enough and besides, none of them believe in ETs anyway. this is simply not true. there's not a single person in my immediate family that doesn't believe in the potential existence of ETs and we are all christians. none of us think they are demons, although we do hold that a demon could pose as an ET if it somehow managed to possess an ET.
years ago (like 20 years ago now) a guy who was big in the MUFON group, told me that there's a huge group of people of faith, particularly christians, in MUFON. yes several of them think ETs are evil, but others, don't know yet, cause they haven't met any. Most take their view of it from abduction accounts, where the person experincing the event claims it was a horrible experience, involving violation of their sexual organs, and other not so pleasant things, without the permission of the abductee, and by force. naturally, those kinds of stories would lead one to think that these entities are not exactly friendly.
My position is, that it could be any number of ET groups, of various factions, and there's really no telling who is bad and who isn't, till we have more info.
If my theory regarding jesus is accurate, it's entirely possible the reason could be that he really is coming back, and tptb need to convince an awful lot of people that ET = bad news. it's a complicated thing, too complicated from our positions and with the limited data at our disposals, to say for certain. just like with anything else, there's likely to be good bad and somewhere inbetween, amongst ET groups as well.
Just hang in there undo!! At least you are on the right side of the fence, even though you still struggle with the "theory stuff". I know that you seemingly always feel led to "figure things out", and for the most part, that is a great thing. But, when it comes to all that exists physically, there can be no certain positive result achieved by the "figuring". And the reason for my saying that is because of what is said to us in Hebrews 11:3 of The Bible:
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
So, to me, what that says to us I take to be "POSSIBLY" somewhat like what happens when you make a video game. You design stuff, create stuff, arrange stuff, hide stuff to be found, and in essence do everything possible to include every conceivable aspect of the reality for that game. Now, the life of man is certainly no game, but God has set it up to play out according to his Word. And I am certain he has everything in place for man doing just that. The truth is God has promised, and he gives his people the "earnest of the spirit in our hearts" - Hebrews 1:13-14
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
One thing I am certain of - I still don't know much about the actual big picture of God, but, I do believe I know "just enough". I am His, and He is mine, and He is for all that will..........!
Relative to E. T.'s, God is God, and I, as a Christian, would never intentionally limit Him, with my thinking. If E.T.'s exist fine! If they don't exist fine. If they are shown, but don't really exist, that is fine too. God is only limited by his Word.
undo, I do hope this does make a little sense to you (and others)!
did we just get invaded by christians?
there sure has been alot of church religion jesus talk lately on pegasus.or is it just an illusion on my part?
Quote from: robomont on May 15, 2013, 04:03:36 AM
did we just get invaded by christians?
there sure has been alot of church religion jesus talk lately on pegasus.or is it just an illusion on my part?
If they're not evangelical, or constantly telling me that they think I'm the spawn of Satan, then I'm willing to tolerate Christians at this point. Christianity is actually a much better religion than most people think; it's just that you really have to do a lot of research, and also read the non-canon Gospels in order to get the good stuff.
I've truthfully always thought the Old Testament was cool, though; at least in parts. Most the prophets will put you to sleep, but Solomon in particular was awesome; read Proverbs and the Song of Songs. The Pentateuch (Genesis etc; the first five books) is also good. Mosaic Law is worth knowing about, even if Moses made Judge Dredd look like Gandhi for the most part.
I am not an adherent of Semitic monotheism in any form as such any more; I am particularly wary of Islam, because it is the most repressive and dehumanising of the lot. I do, however, still consider Christianity part of my own heritage; I nearly went to seminary at one point, and spent far too much time on it in general, to be able to psychologically dismiss it completely.
I think the Vatican collapsing is going to be the best thing that ever happened to Christianity; because after that, Christianity will stop being fashionable. That will mean that the only people who will be Christians will be those who really want it, and the scenesters will leave. It's going to be good, and Christians will get a lot more respect than they have now, as a result of that.
Quote from: petrus4 on May 14, 2013, 10:37:22 PM
This video has unfortunately disappeared, Amy. Any possibility of a mirror somewhere? Unfortunately I can't even remember the guy's name, now; although I remember it was good stuff.
Embarrassing fact: I fail to recall the title. (Do You have/remember it?)
There is so much that demonstrates the evil upon Us that is disappearing. [sigh] They ARE on the run.
Quote from: petrus4 on May 15, 2013, 04:10:41 AM
If they're not evangelical, or constantly telling me that they think I'm the spawn of Satan, then I'm willing to tolerate Christians at this point.
I love being called the spawn of Christians Satan. If Jehova (or other lord of Earth) is he Devil then Christian Satan is it's enemy and should be viewed as a positive force. Long live the Spawn of Satan. :P
Quote from: Pimander on May 15, 2013, 11:48:21 AM
I love being called the spawn of Christians Satan. If Jehova (or other lord of Earth) is he Devil then Christian Satan is it's enemy and should be viewed as a positive force. Long live the Spawn of Satan. :P
that's exactly the opposite of what i'm discovering. the satan of the old testament is not the satan of the new testament. the satan of the old testament was anti-human but he's depicted as just being a vengeful jehovah. he was confused with the creator of the lifeforms on the planet.
i mean do a logic puzzle grid. now list all the features of jehovah in the old testament. now list all the features of satan in the old testament. understand that satan just means accuser. he didn't and doesn't want humans on his planet, sorta like this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Na9-jV_OJI
now consider that the matrix wouldn't have energy to run if it werent for multiplying humans (remember human batteries scene?).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IojqOMWTgv8
slaves. and when the matrix had too many slaves, the architect (another example of satan) would just reboot it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKpFFD7aX3c
god would not create something, knowing the future of that something, and then blame that something for something god already knew would happen. in effect, blaming the mistake he knowingly created and encouraged to flourish, on the thing he created. that makes no sense whatsoever.
the only explanation i can come up with is that somebody mixed satan and god together in the old testament, so that the story would inevitably end up benefitting satan to the detriment of humans, and used this mechanism to validate the rebooting of the planet and its lifeforms.
Quote from: undo11 on May 15, 2013, 12:14:50 PM
that's exactly the opposite of what i'm discovering. the satan of the old testament is not the satan of the new testament. the satan of the old testament was anti-human but he's depicted as just being a vengeful jehovah. he was confused with the creator of the lifeforms on the planet.
If you are saying that the Satan of the New Testament is Jahovah/Yahweh you are probably right. Some, but not all, references in the New Testament are Gnostic in origin and the Gnostics (including the early circle around Jesus, The Magdalene and James) would have likely viewed Yahweh as the Demiurge.
QuoteIn the Apocryphon of John c. 120-180 AD, the Demiurge arrogantly declares that he has made the world by himself:
QuoteNow the archon (ruler) who is weak has three names. The first name is Yaltabaoth, the second is Saklas ("fool"), and the third is Samael. And he is impious in his arrogance which is in him. For he said, "I am God and there is no other God beside me," for he is ignorant of his strength, the place from which he had come.[24]
He is Demiurge and maker of man, but as a ray of light from above enters the body of man and gives him a soul, Yaldabaoth is filled with envy; he tries to limit man's knowledge by forbidding him the fruit of knowledge in paradise. At the consummation of all things all light will return to the Pleroma. But Yaldabaoth, the Demiurge, with the material world, will be cast into the lower depths.
Yaldabaoth is frequently called "the Lion-faced", leontoeides, with the body of a serpent. We are told also[25] that the Demiurge is of a fiery nature, the words of Moses being applied to him, "the Lord our God is a burning and consuming fire," a text used also by Simon.[26]
In Pistis Sophia Yaldabaoth has already sunk from his high estate and resides in Chaos, where, with his forty-nine demons, he tortures wicked souls in boiling rivers of pitch, and with other punishments (pp. 257, 382). He is an archon with the face of a lion, half flame and half darkness.
Under the name of Nebro (rebel), Yaldabaoth is called an angel in the apocryphal Gospel of Judas. He is first mentioned in "The Cosmos, Chaos, and the Underworld" as one of the twelve angels to come "into being [to] rule over chaos and the [underworld]". He comes from heaven, his "face flashed with fire and whose appearance was defiled with blood". Nebro creates six angels in addition to the angel Saklas to be his assistants. These six in turn create another twelve angels "with each one receiving a portion in the heavens."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge#Yaldabaoth
Although I lean slightly away from the idea that the creator of he physical Universe as being pure evil I agree completely that Yahweh is malevolent and Jesus circle would have agreed with me.
reposting this in case you missed it
god would not create something, knowing the future of that something, and then blame that something for something god already knew would happen. in effect, blaming the mistake he knowingly created and encouraged to flourish, on the thing he created. that makes no sense whatsoever.
the only explanation i can come up with is that somebody mixed satan and god together in the old testament, so that the story would inevitably end up benefitting satan to the detriment of humans, and used this mechanism to validate the rebooting of the planet and its lifeforms.
then jesus comes along and tries to fix it, and they kill him for it. he's like neo. the anomalie in the program.
It is the secret the Church has guarded so closely for so long. If only we could see visit the Vatican vaults for a good look. I'd certainly invite you to come Beth. ;)
Precisely why the Rabbis and Priests still encourage the worship of what the Vatican for certain know is evil needs explaining. BASTARDS!
Quote from: undo11 on May 15, 2013, 12:14:50 PM
i mean do a logic puzzle grid. now list all the features of jehovah in the old testament. now list all the features of satan in the old testament. understand that satan just means accuser. he didn't and doesn't want humans on his planet, sorta like this guy
It is asimilar line of logic that leads me to reject the idea of sin (esp original sin) and Hell and eternal damnation as well as Judgement day and the Apocalypse. It makes no sense as it would all be God's fault. :)
Quote from: Pimander on May 15, 2013, 01:53:52 PM
It is asimilar line of logic that leads me to reject the idea of sin (esp original sin) and Hell and eternal damnation as well as Judgement day and the Apocalypse. It makes no sense as it would all be God's fault. :)
precisely why paul tried to explain that sin is really not sin when you relinquish the idea of sin in the first place. meat sacrified to an idol was an example he gave and he also said that the law is what condemns us, upon reading it. had we no concept of sin, the idea wouldn't have any power over us. but because we do understand it, we become accessories to the original crime that we did not commit, we only committed natural instincts, which are called crimes/sins.
understandly, he tries to explain that not acknowledging the need for loving behavior towards yourself and others, is the only thing that makes it necessary to acknowledge the law at all, thus why jesus states that 2 most important commandments are regarding love. love of yourself, your neighbor and god. the impression i get is he's trying to tell the listener that sin is a temporal time problem, not a reality and reality is the only thing that counts. reality=eternity.
neo chose love instead of duty and saved the human race. as a result, he foiled the machinations of agent smith, who was attempting to take over the entire matrix.
this leads me to believe that love is such a positive force, that it overwrites any negatives in precisely the same way as the forgiveness of sins. you must believe you don't have sin, in order for it to not have power over you. so the salvation experience is about disenfranchising the crimes levied against you by disavowing their continued existence. this is a necessary step.
it has to be removed from the framework of "works" because all works do is reinforce your sin state and continued requirement for forgiveness, which is like shooting yourself in the foot repeatedly, for crimes someone else did. that's darn silly.
I agree with most of what you say. There is one part I simply don't buy into and never will (although I concede it is related to time). The part that I differ from and partly why I am not a "Christian" is...
Quote from: undo11 on May 15, 2013, 02:06:06 PM
but because we do understand it, we become accessories to the original crime that we did not commit, we only committed natural instincts, which are called crimes/sins.
... that and the fact that I believe we are as divine as Jesus was (or able to be).
I say that Paul's message was edited by Peter's Romanist tradition and his message distorted. Before that Paul distorted/revised the tradition of James and the rest of the early "Church". Of course that means Jesus and Mary's message/tradition was also corrupted.
it's the natural instincts that are being called sins. you must admit, that lack of love for ourselves and others, causes no end of problems in this temporal space. love for your kin is natural, love for your enemies is not. this indicates to me, that the version of god and his reaction to the choices of the adam, in the garden, is purely the natural reaction of an animal not of a higher being. this i do believe, is what separates an animal from a higher being. only loving what loves you in return is easy. because jesus taught love for your enemies, he rises above the situation described in the garden, where man is cursed and his life span shortened, pain in childbirth and all that jazzola because we disobeyed. heck the stuff we have to go thru as a result of the nerf in the garden, i wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.
Quote from: undo11 on May 15, 2013, 12:14:50 PM
god would not create something, knowing the future of that something, and then blame that something for something god already knew would happen. in effect, blaming the mistake he knowingly created and encouraged to flourish, on the thing he created. that makes no sense whatsoever.
Exactly the point. I've known that Original Sin was bovine fecal matter for a couple of years now. The whole point of that idea was social control. Capitalism 101; Create a need, and then fill it. Original Sin was the created need, and salvation was offered to fill it. Once you recognise that in that sense at least, the need is bogus, you're out of the cage, and they have no hope of forcing you back in it. We still need God, yes; but not like that.
Quote from: undo11 on May 15, 2013, 03:49:17 PM
because jesus taught love for your enemies, he rises above the situation described in the garden, where man is cursed and his life span shortened, pain in childbirth and all that jazzola because we disobeyed. heck the stuff we have to go thru as a result of the nerf in the garden, i wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.
In my own cosmology, Genesis describes the beginning of Taurus; which is 6,450 years ago, as the Jews themselves record, give or take. Taurus is the first 2,150 year block of three, which in total make up the Iron Age, or Kali Yuga. This is the darkest and most degraded of all four Ages, when the positive content of the aether is at its' lowest point.
This planet is not only 6,450 years old in reality; it is simply that the beginning of Kali Yuga is as far back as we are
allowed to remember, by the current ruling authorities of this planet. We are given the choice of either Biblical creationism or evolution by the cabal, because both of those ideas have been invented by them, and thus, neither one of them hurts them.
The cabal only ever give us two choices; and if you look into it, you will discover that each choice corresponds with one of the two sephirah, in total imbalance and exclusion of the other. Creationism corresponds with Geburah, or severity; as does the political Right, and the Republican Party. Evolution and atheism correspond with Chokmah, or Mercy...which to me also means anarchy, permissiveness, and the absence of a skeleton; as do the Democratic Party and the political/economic Left.
The cabal have further confused things by switching the colours of the sephirah, as well. Geburah rightfully corresponds with red, and Chokmah blue; but the Republicans/fascism/Capitalism (Geburah) has blue as its' colour, and the Democrats/anarchy/Communism is red.
If you look, you'll find that it all fits together. Hindu scripture records that shortening of the human lifespan is a natural occurrence of the change in the aetheric environment, which is associated with Kali Yuga; and Hinduism's cultural memory goes back
before the beginning of the current Kali Yuga as well. It is one of very few sources of information that we have, which does go back that far.
Yahweh is not responsible for the fact that man dies; or at least not in the manner in which it is depicted in Genesis. The lifespan is variable, and depends on the quality of the aether in the varying ages. The lifespan is shortest in the Kali Yuga, and the Mahabharata states that it is generally 100-120 years. For Satya or Krita Yuga, however, which is the most positive of the four, the lifespan recorded is 400 years, but there are also stories of sadhus who meditated for tens of thousands of years.
QuoteWe are given the choice of either Biblical creationism or evolution by the cabal, because both of those ideas have been invented by them, and thus, neither one of them hurts them.
i disagree. the info is accurate except where it has been deliberately mixed together and jumbled, the information is still there, but you have to weed thru it and put it in its correct position.
mormons claim the reason old testament jehovah is such a mean guy is because he was a newly evolved god, who was learning the ropes and that by the time we get to the advent of jesus, he's got it mostly figured out and thus the change in his approach to humans. not sure i agree with that either.
as regards the creation story, i don't think the world was created 6000 years ago. the opening of genesis chapter 1, is the end of the cataclysm that caused the ice age. next the re-terraforming and re-population of the earth's flora and fauna. then the introduction of a new worker type, via cloning. etc
you can see small hints through out the texts of the ancient world, including the bible, describing what happened before the advent of homo sapians or the re-introduction of them to the planet. you can also find art clues in the form of sculpture and see evidence from crypto-archaeology as well.
allow me to explain. there's tons of evidence that enlil is allah and that the islamic approach to women, children, laws and order, are classic old testament enlil. i mean that guy hates females because we create more humans and he hates humans.
jesus on the other hand, was very supportive of women and humans. in fact, out of the entire ancient world, jesus (and egyptians) was the first one to treat women good instead of like baby making slaves (more evidence that jesus was cleo's son). i think this proves he was enki, and that the rivalry between enki and enlil, is still ongoing, thus why everything has such a dual nature to it.
currently islam is posing as democratic, but it is far from being a democratic form of social order. it's toxic and exceedingly anti woman, anti children, anti free speech, anti knowledge, anti just about anything you can name of any lasting human value. democracy is only for the men, and everyone is in fear for their life, 24/7/365, where they've installed sharia.
in saudia arabia, they are still crucifying people. yes, crucifying. unfreakinbelievable.
this woman was arrested for not wearing her scarf the proper way in iran. you might think, "these people have got to be kidding." nope they aren't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgXgpngHf60
that's textbook enlil.
sitchin claimed that the anunnaki, particularly enlil, had a space command port on temple mount in jerusalem. look at these people fighting over that spot of land called israel/palestine/canaan, about the size of the state of new jersey. and tell me there isn't something really suspicious going on there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY
So what is that Pentagonal Structure, under The Mosque on the temple mount in Jerusalem ? :)
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on May 16, 2013, 12:36:30 PM
So what is that Pentagonal Structure, under The Mosque on the temple mount in Jerusalem ? :)
solomon's temple, which predated the dome of the rock mosque, was not pentagonal. however it was egyptian.
it looked like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFnWTz-7I0E
everything was covered in gold. as a result, you had to wear clothing that didn't generate static electricity, which is mentioned in the description of how to build the temple and care for its furnishings.
Quote from: undo11 on May 16, 2013, 11:33:48 AM
jesus on the other hand, was very supportive of women and humans. in fact, out of the entire ancient world, jesus (and egyptians) was the first one to treat women good instead of like baby making slaves (more evidence that jesus was cleo's son).
That is hardly surprising. Mary Magdelene (who initiated Jesus) was from a tradition linked to Egypt. See especially the section in orange below.
Taken form Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince's website (http://www.picknettprince.com/books/marymagdalene/magdalene.htm)
The two millennia of Church propaganda are over: Mary Magdalene, long patronised and marginalised as a reformed prostitute, can now assume her rightful place in the history of the Christian religion - by Christ's side, as his lover, spiritual equal, officiating priestess and even his chosen successor.
Representative of the Sacred Feminine - a human woman embodying the principles of the Great Goddess, beloved across the ancient world - Mary was the object of hatred and fear for the early Church Fathers.
(http://www.picknettprince.com/books/marymagdalene/mm-magdalene_skull-web.jpg)
The alleged skull of Mary Magdalene at Saint-Maximin in Provence, France
In crafting their own version of Christianity, and brutally suppressing anyone who held opposing views, they sought to recreate this feisty, intelligent and highly sexual woman as the dregs of humanity, so overcome by her alleged past as a prostitute that the rest of her life was spent in pathological self hatred.
Yet in making Mary the Magnificent come so low, the leaders of the early Vatican were actually opposing Christ's own wishes. In the Gnostic Gospels - such as the Gospels of Philip, Thomas and Mary Magdalene - it is perfectly obvious that Jesus thought of her as 'the Apostle of the Apostles', the 'Woman Who Knows All', who would sit at his right hand throughout all eternity.
The Gnostic Gospels also tell how she was threatened and hated by Saint Peter, whom Jesus despaired of for his stupidity - hardly the individual on whom he intended to build his church!
And is it any coincidence that the canonical, Biblical gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John barely mention her by name, while she is the star of those gospels the Church Fathers voted to reject?
Mary Magdalene: Christianity's Hidden Goddess (2003), which is dedicated 'To all those who have suffered at the hands of the Church', suggests that, as modern translations call her 'Mary called Magdalene', this is a title, similar to that of the great Old Testament Queen of Sheba who was known as 'Magda' - 'Great Lady'.
Was Mary Magdalene, like Sheba - with whom she is linked, even by the Church - also a black woman of aristocratic pedigree, probably of Egyptian origin? This might help explain why the male disciples - clearly not Christ's inner circle as we have been led to believe for 2000 years - found her intimidating and threatening.
Egyptian women were the most liberated of the ancient world, rich women especially so, and clearly she failed to behave like a typically submissive woman of 1st-century Palestine. Jesus even kissed her in full view of the other disciples, and condoned her wearing her hair unveiled in public - which was deemed so outrageous that a woman could be divorced for doing so. He was clearly besotted with her.
In the inevitable Church backlash against the new eagerness for the Gnostic Gospels that has been fuelled world-wide by The Da Vinci Code, the Gnostic Gospels have been hastily denounced as of dubious theology. Yet - although they can be quaint and difficult to read, especially the passages dealing with the convoluted Gnostic cosmology - when they describe the relationships within Jesus' mission, they are not only consistent but clearly drawing on the same source.
Christ and Mary, Mary and Peter (and the other disciples) are depicted so vividly that it is obvious they are based on something real. If they had merely been invented, there would have been no mutterings in the ranks, no profound clash, no death threats. All would have been sweetness and light.
To the Church the message is clear: The real Mary Magdalene is back. Get used to it.
and that's because the rcc is enlil-ite.
it would take someone that hates humans, particularly women, to come up with some of the stuff they did. impaling a woman on a spear in her private parts, those guys had to be either medically insane or possessed. in africa, in current times, muslims are going around asking people what their religion is, if they say christian, they cut off one of their breasts and leave them to bleed to death, after raping them of course. what would drive people to do stuff like that ? it's got to be loathing of women and humans in general.
Quote from: undo11 on May 16, 2013, 04:00:32 PM
impaling a woman on a spear in her private parts, those guys had to be either medically insane or possessed.
That is an obvious symbol and not supposed to be taken literally. ::)
i don't blame modern day catholicism for that stuff. i'm just totally flummoxed that it happened in the first place. also, i've read extensively on the connections between the rcc and islam and i gotta tell ya, they are straight up enlil-ite, with some enki tossed in to make it look legit. and they are in cahoots with each other, that's why islam is currently holding hands with democracy, these 2 groups have had to contend with protestanism, atheism, paganism and judaism. they saw the opportunity to force their way back into power using socialism but they don't actually want things to be fair. they just want things to be fair for them and screw everybody else.
Quote from: Pimander on May 16, 2013, 04:14:32 PM
That is an obvious symbol and not supposed to be taken literally. ::)
Tell Jolies doc that mate LOL :D
did you see the muslim scarf video above? what a contrast! there's women draped in long black cloth sacks that look like funeral garb, and right next to them, a guy walking by in casual jeans and a tshirt. not a care in the world.
whereas the women are torturing each other over nitnoid details and having disobeyers carted off to be interrogated by the police for not having their scarfs tied correctly or their ankles showing. good grief
Quoteeverything was covered in gold. as a result, you had to wear clothing that didn't generate static electricity, which is mentioned in the description of how to build the temple and care for its furnishings.
You know thats funny now you mention it undo !
Gold is revered now and it seem's many people yearn for that to be the reserve currency, yet in actual fact back in the last hay day of tech so to speak it may have been the easiest commodity to use.
Damn good to have a few of you old timers back to inspire thought :D
it's wood covered in gold. the whole thing was like a gigantic circuit board with water playing a role as well, in the generation of electricity. if you notice in the video about the temple, as the camera pans in, you see the shape of the temple outlined. the shape is the same as this. see it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCgDaKOL9FQ
you gals have really taken this to a new level.i agree with parts of both of your theories.but im out of my league compared to yall.thankyou both for your effort .i have been somewhat enlightened.
Quote from: undo11 on May 16, 2013, 01:23:16 PM
solomon's temple, which predated the dome of the rock mosque, was not pentagonal. however it was egyptian.
it looked like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFnWTz-7I0E
everything was covered in gold. as a result, you had to wear clothing that didn't generate static electricity, which is mentioned in the description of how to build the temple and care for its furnishings.
http://www.templemount.org/radarir.html
The Site of The Golden Dome of the Rock:
Former Altar of Ashtoreth the Phoenician Goddess
Research into the subject of Jerusalem, in general, and the Temple in particular, is almost at a standstill
due to today's political and religious constraints. It is impossible to dig in and under the Temple Mount,
es of the compound. These methods include the following: (i) ground penetrating radar (GPR)
investigations through the outer walls of the Mount; (ii) high-frequency seismic tests through the walls,
(iii) magnetic mapping; and (iii) thermal infra-red imagery (1). While both radar and infra-red imagery
have provided valuable information concerning the Moriah compound, the following paragraphs
deal specifically with the results obtained from infra-red imaging. Infra-red images have been take
by this writer in the past few years from stationary positions outside the walls of the compound,
as well as from helicopters flying over the site at various heights (2).
Infra-red imagery registers changes in thermal radiation above the surface of bodies of varying
thermal capacity, such as boulders or walls buried beneath the surface. During the day the surface
of the Temple Mount heats uniformly from the sun, and this heat is conducted into the ground beneath.
At night the surface cools by radiation, however heat flow back up from the sub-surface is non-uniform
because of cisterns, voids, bedrock, old foundations, channels, and so on. Just before dawn,
the surface temperature distribution can vary by fractions of a degree or even by several degrees.
These temperature patterns can be mapped using a special imaging " camera" sensitive
to infra-red wavelengths.
(In addition to diurnal heating and cooling patterns, slowly changing seasonal heat-flow differences
also occur.
These can reveal information about deeper anomalies beneath the surface).
The IR method facilitates the gathering of information over extensive areas while physical contact
with the surface being examined is unnecessary.
IR images have been taken at various hours of the day, the most effective time in our experience thus far
being the hours immediately following sunset. The difference in temperature between the various areas
as as much as three or four degrees, while the instuments used were sensitive to temperature differences
as small as 0.1 dgree C.
Figure 1 shows the raised Islamic platform with the Golden Dome at its center.
The surrounding platform is paved uniformly with stone, though the pattern of the paving changes
around the building in rows that are parallel with the walls of the octagonal structure, except for
the western side.
Figures 2-4 are infra-red images of the site, which clearly show the difference in thermal radiation
to the east of the structure, this is specifically seen at sunrise and sunset.
This radiation, which at midnight is uniformly admitted is, sharply demarcated and the extensions
of these lines of demarcation - which penetrate the Golden Dome - can be seen to form a
pentagon.
The Temple Mount
Pentagon in the First Temple Period
In Amman, Jordon, in the ancient Acropolis there, traces have been found of a Roman temple to Hercules.
Under the flooring of this temple there is an amorphous rocky mass with one corner protruding upward
- with a small cave in it
(see Fig 7) .
The Italian archaeologists who first dug there raised the possibility that this rock served during the Iron age
as a "high place" dedicated to Milcom, the god of the Ammonites (I Kings 11:5) (3).
Can the rocky prominences under the Golden Dome, the "Dome of the Spirits" and the El-Umriyya school
in the Moriah compound in Jerusalem have been idolatrous "high places" in ancient times?
In the seaport archaeological site of Caesarea, at the site of Strato's Tower built in the fifth century B.C.E.
by the Phoenician king 'Abd 'Ashtart, traces of the ancient wall are discernible.
Between the two sides of the northern gate there are rounded towers and in the northern corner of the wall
there is a mass of an imperfectly
pentagonal structure, the length of the long sides of which
is some 18 feet.
(see Fig 8 ).
Ever since the Chalcolithic Period
pentagonal structures were not commonly used in buildings.
Finding such structures in Jerusalem and Caesaria, when both are located to the north of the settled area
near its wall, raises the possibility of the structures having had the identical function.
Both of these structures may have served as idolatrous "high places"
(see Fig 9) (4).
The name of Strato's Tower preserves the name of the goddess 'Ashtrt ('Ashtoreth'), a name well-known
in the ancient world.
As already noted, the settlement at Caesarea was also built by the Phoenician king 'Abd 'Ashtart (5).
The book of II Kings, chapter 23, tells of Josiah, king of Judah in the sixth century B.C.E.,
cleansing Jerusalem from idolatrous places of worship.
"The king defiled the high places overlooking Jerusalem, to the south of the Mount of Destruction,
which had been built by Solomn. King of Israel, to Ashtoreth, goddess of the Sidonites,
and to Chemosh, god of Moab, and to Milcom, god of the Ammonites."
At least one archaeologist has expressed the opinion that the Mount of Destruction, to the south
of which there were 'high places', was not the Mount of Olives but rather Bet Zeita, located to the north
of the Antonia fortress - in the area of the present Rockfeller Museum (6).
It is quite possible that the rock under the Golden Dome, the rock under the "Dome of the Spirits"
and that the area under the present-day El-Umriyya school make up an idolatrous compound associated
with the First Temple.
This site may have existed since the tenth century B.C.E. up till the sixth century B.C.E.
- over three hundred years.
This idolatrous center was rooted in the pagan world of Amman and Moab to the east,
and in the Phoenician world on the Mediterranean coast.
Therefore, the
pentagonal foundation stones under the Golden Dome could be the remains
of a high place dedicated to Ashtoreth, the idol of Sidon.
It should be noted that the ancient symbol representing the goddess Ashtoreth (Astarte) is an
octagonand a
pentagon, the two forms that we find are impressed upon one another at this site.
The shapes and locations of the rocky high places under the Moriah Compound thus back up the testimony
of the Bible.
It is our belief that we have located the ruins of former Canaanite High Places on the Temple Mount,
including the site of the Dome of the Rock Islamic shrine.
The
Pentagon in the period of the Second Temple
In the book, "The Jewish Wars" Josephus Flavius, tells how Antigonus, son of Hyrcanos, walked north
from the Temple towards the fortifications on the North end of the Temple Mount that were eventually
expanded and renamed "Fortress Antonia".
On his way to the fortress to visit his sick brother Aristobulus, Antigonus passed through the tunnel
called "Strato's Tower."
It was there that his fellow soldiers struck and killed him.
The name "Strato's Tower," (which preserves the name of the goddess Ashtoreth), was no longer common
in the Hellenistic period, and even the Essene Yehuda did not remember this name (7) .
If the outward resemblance of the
pentagonal Strato's Tower in Casarea and the Jerusalem
pentagonis of any significance, then the
pentagonal shape revealed in the infra-red images taken of
the Golden Dome area is the site of Strato's Tower.
Seal imprints on pottery found in Jerusalem and in Ramat Rachel display
a five-pointed starwith a
pentagon at its centre.
Around the
pentagonal star's rays appears the word JRSLM in the ancient Hebrew letters.
These seals relate to the third and second centuries B.C.E., i.e., to the Hasmonean period.
(See Fig 10).
It may be assumed that we have here evidence of the existence of a
pentagonal boulderwith its western extremity protruding above the paved surface - the"Sakra" under the Golden Dome
(see Fig 5 ).
The pentagonal boulder may be described as a 45-meter square
with its western corner cut off.
It would seem to be an artificially quarried and processed boulder.
There exists to this day a well-known cave within the bedrock under the Golden Dome.
The cave walls have been cut parallel to the boundaries of the rock mass visible in the infra-red photographs
(see Fig 5).
Furthermore, the axis of symmetry of the cave corners and that of the
pentagon facing east-west coalesce
with the axis of symmetry of the staircase leading from the lower level to that of the raised platform
(see Fig 5).
The axis of symmetry in the cave does not coincide with that of the center of the shrine's
octagonal walls.
It may well be that the staircase into the cave preserves an ancient route relating to the original
pentagonal foundation stone carved from bedrock, and to the cave.
The cave seems to predate the Dome of the Rock and may even have been a burial site.
In the northwestern corner of the Moriah Compound, there is another large bedrock outcropping.
The shape of this rock mass is amorphous, and it is at the present time covered with the top soil of a park.
At its northwestern corner a rocky mass protrudes above the ground.
On this higher portion of the bedrock is located the present-day Islamic El-Umriyya school.
There is a known cave in the center of this bedrock mass also,
(see Fig 6).
Under the small cupola known as the "Dome of the Tablts" or "Dome of the Spirits" about 100 meters
North of the Dome, between the Golden Dome and the El-Umriyya school' one can discern yet another one
outcropping of rock.
Here, too, a staircase leads directly to this portion of bedrock outcropping
(see Fig 6).
What was originally a high places of Ashtoreth on the Temple Mount may well have become
a
pentagonal tower in later times.
This tower became the symbol of Jerusalem in the Hasmonean period.
It was apparently incorporated into the Antonia Fortress constructed by Herod the Great.
If indeed the rock under the Golden Dome is a remnant of Strato's Tower, then according to the route
followed by Antigonus from the Temple to the Northern fortifications it may be assumed that the Temple
was located south of the Golden Dome.
This conclusion is yet a further indication of the Jewish Temple having been located between
the Golden Dome and the El-Aqsa Mosque, and not as claimed by most sholars, on the precise location
of the Golden Dome. ( 8 )
Conclusions
1.The pagan, Canaanite, area of worship from the First Temple period, was, we conclude, situated in a region that
includes:
The Golden Dome, The Dome of the Spirit and The El-Umriyya rock.
2.The Antonia fortress and its towers, during the Second Temple period, were situated
at the Golden Dome and the immediate surrounding area.
In this model the protecting moat (now filled in) which protected the Northern wall of Fortress Antonia
is in the logical location.
3.The First and Second Jewish Temples were situated to the south between the Golden Dome
and the El-Aqsa Mosque.
(see Fig.11)
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Bibliography and Notes
1. Each method has advantages and disadvantages, therefore thorough, repeated tests
should be carried out.
Nevertheless, the Infrared method has an advantage that one can obtain data from a distance,
without the need to examine the area from close up.
2. Radar tests were carried out around the Eastern, Western, and Southern wall in 1990..
Infrared tests were performed in 1993-1995, using two different instruments:
An Inframetrics scanner, provided with the assistance of Eli Cohen from Elbit co., and an Aegma scanner
provided with the assistance of Dov Berger from Shartel co.
3. Encyclopedia of Archaelogical Excavation 1960, Vol 2, "Rabbat Amon" pp 512 in the Holy Land,
1960, Vol 2, "Rabat Amon" pp. 512
4. In II Kings chapter 23, verse 8, it states that Josiah" broke down the high places of the gates
that were in the entering in of the gate of Joshua ..... at the gate of the city."
This description coordinates with the description of the
pentagon found near the tower,
at the entrance to the city in Stato's tower.
5. The New Encyclopedia of Archaeological excavations in The Holy Land, Vol 4, 1992, p 1370
6. Horovitz, "Jerusalem in our Literature."
7. Flavius, J. The Jewish War, Book 1,3 1-5
8. Sagiv, T. 1994 "The Temple is to the North," Tchuman Vol 14, 1994.
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List of Illustrations
Fig. 1. The Moriah court - upper court.
Fig. 2. Infrared photographs of The Golden Dome.
Fig. 3. Infrared photographs of The Golden Dome.
Fig. 4. Infrared photographs of The Golden Dome.
Fig. 5. The Golden Dome in a
pentagon shape, and at it's tip the rock. The cave at The Golden Dome.
The walls lie parallel to the outlines of the
pentagon rock. The symetric axis of the
pentagon rock,
the cave, and the case of stairs - in one.
Fig. 6. The El-Umriyya school is located on the beam of the rock. The Dome of the Spirit
in it's centre a barren rock.
Fig. 7. Aman - The Hercolus Temple - The rock, at it's tip the beam. Researchers assume that this location
is The Alter of Malcom, God of The Ammonites.
Fig. 8. Caeserea, Strato's Tower - The
Pentagonal Tower.
Fig. 9. Jerusalem and Ceserea - at both sites the
pentagon alter is situated to the north of the city.
Fig. 10. Marks on vessels from 2-3 B.C. The marks show a
pentagon surrounded by beams
that creates
a five sided star. In between the beams the Hebrew letters: JRSLM.
Fig. 11. The Antonia fortress and it's towers, from The Second Temple period, are situated
at the Golden Dome and its surrounding area.
The Jewish Temple is situated to the south between the Golden Dome and the El-Aqsa Mosque.
matrix
interesting. most of the ones you mentioned are after solomon's temple was destroyed and some are not on the same site. i am resisting attributing anything god like to enlil, at the moment.
Quote from: Pimander on May 16, 2013, 02:30:11 PM
The two millennia of Church propaganda are over: Mary Magdalene, long patronised and marginalised as a reformed prostitute, can now assume her rightful place in the history of the Christian religion - by Christ's side, as his lover, spiritual equal, officiating priestess and even his chosen successor.
Representative of the Sacred Feminine - a human woman embodying the principles of the Great Goddess, beloved across the ancient world - Mary was the object of hatred and fear for the early Church Fathers.
The only problem is, that we've gone from institutionalised misogyny on the one hand, to (in the Western world, at least) male disposability as the socially sanctioned paradigm on the other. As a man, I can't count the number of times over the last 20 years, that I've had the thought that I was born the wrong gender; not because I dislike being male at all, but simply because I don't like being viewed as literal rubbish, purely because I have a penis.
Case in point; I was in the supermarket just yesterday, and while looking around, came across some fairtrade coffee, which had, "Harvested by Women," (with the W capitalised, as here) on it, as though that was something of enormous importance. Men are now considered garbage, literally. As a gender, we are viewed as having absolutely no worth. It isn't a case of feminism wanting to subjugate men, either; there is a desire for humanity to literally become a single gender, exclusively female species. Male non-existence is considered the ideal.
QuoteAnd is it any coincidence that the canonical, Biblical gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John barely mention her by name, while she is the star of those gospels the Church Fathers voted to reject?
Again, this is the problem. One gender or the other is always depicted as being
dominant. Either we've got patriarchy where women are experiencing clitoral mutilation (as in the Islamic states) on the one hand, or we've got a scenario in the West where you're allowed to be gay, black, female, or MtF transsexual; but the one thing you are
not permitted to be, is a heterosexual white male.
I don't want demographic dominance. I thought Manifest Destiny and white colonialism were murderously, hideously wrong, and I still do. The only thing I'm asking for, and the one thing that I really do not feel that I am getting, is the literal
right to exist at all.
QuoteIn the inevitable Church backlash against the new eagerness for the Gnostic Gospels that has been fuelled world-wide by The Da Vinci Code, the Gnostic Gospels have been hastily denounced as of dubious theology.
That may or may not sway mainstream opinion, but anyone with more than cursory knowledge of Christian theology, is already aware that the entire basis of the existence of the Catholic church is completely illegitimate to begin with. I will accept the Vatican's right to exist on the basis of the charitable work that many elements within Catholicism perform on a daily basis; but I will
not acknowledge its' right to exist on the basis of legitimate theology, because it has none.
Original Sin and Vicarious Atonement are both lies. The entire sacrificial doctrine originated with Paul of Tarsus, who is and was a heretic, and who was committed to the annihilation of Jesus Christ's evangelical community. Christianity only makes any theological sense whatsoever from an Essenic/Gnostic basis,
not that of Catholicism. The primary purpose of the Vatican's existence has always been social and political control, and a re-orientation of the Roman Empire that was more consistent with Pisces rather than Aries, which would allow it to continue its' imperial dominance.
I don't see men in the way you describe. You guys piss me off from time to time but I've never viewed you as garbage.
men are awesome.
the problem is, islam is taking over the planet by sheer population volume and they are embracing democracy (mob rule) because once their numbers are sufficient they can call for sharia and get it. in addition, they are indoctrinating wide swaths of blacks and using race hatred as a means to increase not only their size but the size of the mob rule.
in essence, they are waging not just a war against the west but against women, and humans in general. some even refer to white women as the whores of babylon. puts a whole new look on torturing and murdering women in the fires of inquistion, does it not? and some atheists are vehemently supporting them because they would rather the "crazy," racist folks, get rid of the christians, that way they don't have to.
Quote from: undo11 on May 17, 2013, 12:04:13 AM
men are awesome.
the problem is, islam is taking over the planet by sheer population volume and they are embracing democracy (mob rule) because once their numbers are sufficient they can call for sharia and get it. in addition, they are indoctrinating wide swaths of blacks and using race hatred as a means to increase not only their size but the size of the mob rule.
in essence, they are waging not just a war against the west but against women, and humans in general. some even refer to white women as the whores of babylon. puts a whole new look on torturing and murdering women in the fires of inquistion, does it not? and some atheists are vehemently supporting them because they would rather the "crazy," racist folks, get rid of the christians, that way they don't have to.
Yep; and given the fact that I've read that leaked letter written by Albert Pike, I've also got a fair idea of who put the Muslims up to their current ongoing impersonation of the Daleks, as well.
Then again, as VillageIdiot and you have both just demonstrated that I should not generalise about women, so we should probably not completely generalise about Islam.
petrus
i love muslim people the same as anyone else, but i do not personally want to be raped just because they think they can, nor burned alive, crucified, given a masectomy without meds, head chopped off, hands chopped off, sodomized, run over by a tank, blown to bits, stuffed in a sack and forced to ride in sweltering heat in the back of a truck, covered head to toe in black, stoned to death because i reported a rape, or any other variety of the completely dehumanizing and deliberately anti-women social monstrosity known as islam. i may love them but i don't have to embrace their dysfunction.
i too feel society is going towards eventually eliminating men.first you the strong woman agenda being practiced in the msmovies on tv.and at the bigscreen.alot of times the authors even straightup say so.harry potter.the girl with the dragon tattoo.then you add in things like the rape issue in the military.i have a long list but to dull right now to list all.
it kind of reminds me of the bee hive idea .the males are garbage after breeding season.even society puts women on a pedestal but they scream equal rights.ive never had a female open a door for me?there are hints that grays work with a hive mentality.unless population expansion ends .socializism /hive/mob will win out.as we are running out of jobs.so a new menial labor force will be created by criminalizing male traits such as violence vulgarity rape.these are usually sperned on by rises in testosterone.from males doing physical labor.thats why there are more women going to jail because more women are doing physical labor.since men have most of those jobs.they will be criminalized.thats why we have a larger percentage of herms gays and douchy mommas boys.because the geneticall superior males are being selectively bread out through incarceration and war.its a tradeoff low violence =fairy hive world.no offence intended to anybody.just a viewpoint that may be askew.
this was the only thing i could find on the subject of albert pike's secret letter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDaxRsavSRs
Well undo, one thing about this "rabbit hole" that is the same as most all other similar holes..............the non-Christians always project themselves as knowing more about all of the detail of Christianity, and God's Word, than does any Christian, including the thought of how very wrong Christianity is to begin with!
And I would find that fact to be very amusing, except, as a Christian, I feel sorry for such misplaced thought and ideas. But then, I do understand how and why that happens, because of the failures of "religiosity" in general - both perceived and actual.
As has been proven throughout the past history, people can just pretty much pick our any/every old type of god, and worship it as they wish! Or not worship a god if that "shoe" comfortably fits!
Most of man has historically demonstrated a heart-felt need of a god to worship, but not everybody actually does that.
I will have nothing else to add on this subject.
rdunk
i don't think christianity is wrong, i think there's more than one jehovah in the old testament and one of them is not a good guy.
In the writings, "The LIFE of God" (Also referred to as the LIGHT of Men according to these writings)
was reported to have said,
through the "Carpenter" referred to as Jesus today, Quote;
Quote77. Jesus said, It is I who Am THE LIGHT
which is above them all.
It is I who Am "The ALL".
From Me did The All come forth, and unto Me did The All extend.
Now, there is absolutely
NO WAY a human "Primate" is The
LIGHT, or the
LIGHT a human "Primate" !!!
And there is absolutely
NO WAY a
Primate is "
The ALL" ! :)
Even
IF One believes even in great "Faith", that The
LIGHT is a "
Primate", (Carpenter)
then sadly that person
Deceives Only themselves !
Having "Faith" does
NOT make anything "True" or "Correct".
If one has "faith" in
B.S., then it does
NOT make it "True", because of "Faith".
"Faith" without Works is Useless, and in Vain !
The verse Continued Quote;
QuoteSplit a piece of wood, and I am there.
And this in
NO WAY, says that a "Primate" (Carpenter) is inside such a piece of Wood ! :)
The verse Continued Quote;
QuoteLift up the stone, and you WILL FIND Me there."
Once again the Word "Me" in the above verse refers to "THE LIGHT" and
NOT a human Primate ! (Carpenter) :)
Even the Carpenter said, Quote; "Do
NOT Bow Down to Me for I am your fellow Servant !"
And in another verse, "Do
NOT call Me Master, for I am your fellow Servant !"
The verse Continued Quote;
Quote78. Jesus said, "Why have you come out into the desert ?
To see a reed shaken by the wind?
And to see a man clothed in fine garments like your kings and your great men?
Upon them are the fine garments, and they are unable to discern THE TRUTH ."
It is
NOT "Religion" that is beneficial... but Rather Knowledge...
Knowledge of "
The Truth" !
And there is
NO "Religion" in this !
Quote from: petrus4 on May 16, 2013, 11:48:17 PM
Men are now considered garbage, literally. As a gender, we are viewed as having absolutely no worth. It isn't a case of feminism wanting to subjugate men, either; there is a desire for humanity to literally become a single gender, exclusively female species. Male non-existence is considered the ideal.
Crowley predicted this. :)
Quote
Again, this is the problem. One gender or the other is always depicted as being dominant. Either we've got patriarchy where women are experiencing clitoral mutilation (as in the Islamic states) on the one hand, or we've got a scenario in the West where you're allowed to be gay, black, female, or MtF transsexual; but the one thing you are not permitted to be, is a heterosexual white male.
All predicted by Crowley.
QuoteI will accept the Vatican's right to exist on the basis of the charitable work that many elements within Catholicism perform on a daily basis; but I will not acknowledge its' right to exist on the basis of legitimate theology, because it has none.
YOu are right, it is a religion built upon a falsehood. It has a right to exist only because humans are too stupid to reject the lie and do good things without needing a church. Idiots.
QuoteOriginal Sin and Vicarious Atonement are both lies. The entire sacrificial doctrine originated with Paul of Tarsus, who is and was a heretic, and who was committed to the annihilation of Jesus Christ's evangelical community.
Agreed. Peter was also a heretic.
QuoteChristianity only makes any theological sense whatsoever from an Essenic/Gnostic basis, not that of Catholicism.
Which is the reason for all the confusion about the New Testament.
The Bible is more than one kind of writing and any failure to recognise that fact leads to confused garbled interpretation. It IS NOT ALL GODS WORD (unless all words are created by God). IT IS NOT ALL HISTORY. It is not all prophecy. It is not all law books. It is not all poetry. It is not all Roman. It is not all Gnostic. It is a mixture of many of these but not exclusively any.
QuoteThe primary purpose of the Vatican's existence has always been social and political control, and a re-orientation of the Roman Empire that was more consistent with Pisces rather than Aries, which would allow it to continue its' imperial dominance.
At least two of us understand where modern "Christianity" originates and what its purpost is. Any revised "Christianity" would surely start with what came from Jesus - who was definitely not a Christian in the modern sense of the word! :)
I completely understand Undo's worries about certain Islamist groups. However, I do not buy into the idea that there is one massive conspiracy to destroy Western Liberal Democracy.
Yes aspects of Islam are derogatory to women. So are Christian and even Mormon groups. Yes aspects of Islam AND CHRISTIANITY are imperialist, warmongering bastards. Some work in/for the American Administration and also the British.
Quote from: petrus4 on May 17, 2013, 12:25:08 AM
Then again, as VillageIdiot and you have both just demonstrated that I should not generalise about women, so we should probably not completely generalise about Islam.
Precisely. Most Muslims are like the majority of Christians and non-religious people. They are raised to care for their family and obey the law. They are charitable to a degree but ignorant and therefore easily manipulated by malevolent forces.
Telling the truth about religion, politics and the rest is the only hope. Modern religion, especially Judaism, Islam, Hinduism (Caste system!) and Christianity are complete bunk and built upon a foundation of lies! FACT!!!
Dispense with Christianity, Islam and Judaism and all of the major conflicts in the world disappear. Poof! Think about it, FFS!
As for Islam taking over by breeding, the fastest population growth is in China (predominantly Taoist/Buddhist and India (Hindu with an Islamic minority).
Quote from: undo11 on May 17, 2013, 12:34:05 AM
the completely dehumanizing and deliberately anti-women social monstrosity known as islam. i may love them but i don't have to embrace their dysfunction.
What about your religion? Christianity?
The central idea of your religion is based on the idea that WOMAN brought about the fall redeemed by a guy nailed to a cross. Ridiculous and harmful - especially to WOMEN.
Sort out your own Religion then criticism of Islam might carry some weight.
Quote from: robomont on May 17, 2013, 03:15:00 AM
ive never had a female open a door for me?
Interestingly... I have blown a guy or two's mind by opening doors for Them... [smile]
Quote from: Pimander on May 17, 2013, 04:02:38 PM
What about your religion? Christianity?
The central idea of your religion is based on the idea that WOMAN brought about the fall redeemed by a guy nailed to a cross. Ridiculous and harmful - especially to WOMEN.
Sort out your own Religion then criticism of Islam might carry some weight.
you already know what i believe about the sin doctrine. what, did you switch brains with someone else while i wasn't looking?
reposting this in case you missed it (???? )
god would not create something, knowing the future of that something, and then blame that something for something god already knew would happen. in effect, blaming the mistake he knowingly created and encouraged to flourish, on the thing he created. that makes no sense whatsoever.
the only explanation i can come up with is that somebody mixed satan and god together in the old testament, so that the story would inevitably end up benefitting satan to the detriment of humans, and used this mechanism to validate the rebooting of the planet and its lifeforms.
then jesus comes along and tries to fix it, and they kill him for it. he's like neo. the anomalie in the program.
Quote from: Amaterasu on May 17, 2013, 04:58:01 PM
Interestingly... I have blown a guy or two's mind by opening doors for Them... [smile]
That's very gentlemanly....er womanly..... er personally... ;D of you Am, you open a lot of doors in more than a rhetorical sense.
Quote from: undo11 on May 17, 2013, 05:21:30 PM
reposting this in case you missed it (???? )
god would not create something, knowing the future of that something, and then blame that something for something god already knew would happen. in effect, blaming the mistake he knowingly created and encouraged to flourish, on the thing he created. that makes no sense whatsoever.
God does not create in [tohu] or [bohu]. > Chaos or Confusion.
Man makes the decision to not listen to God, and that is the main problem. In the end there has to be a consequence for 'wrong', so even if God can see the ending, 'Free-will' prevents him from fixing it! But!, he will jump up and down and shoot flares in the air and send Prophets and 'his only Son' to try and get through to this stubborn beast (Man). In the end, it will be 2 Millenia (In this age) of evidence that: MAN CANNOT GOVERN MAN!
Quotethe only explanation i can come up with is that somebody mixed satan and god together in the old testament, so that the story would inevitably end up benefitting satan to the detriment of humans, and used this mechanism to validate the rebooting of the planet and its lifeforms.
That someone was man's inability to 'ask' for guidance from the 'creator' of all, and instead seek guidance from the destroyer of all.
Quotethen jesus comes along and tries to fix it, and they kill him for it. he's like neo. the anomalie in the program.
Maybe not the anomaly, more like the chink in the armour, the achilles heel and the 'little stone', so we can't say..... "How would you know what it is to human, sitting in your high temple, how can you know what we experience?"
Now we can't use that excuse!
the old testament tries to validate god's decision to create a faulty product and then condemn it to die a grisly death followed by a potential eternity of heinous suffering you wouldn't wish on anybody, anywhere, by suggesting that the clay vessel doesn't have the right to question the potter's creative choices even if that choice is to create a vessel that has no other purpose but to burn in the fires of hades. this sounds more like something molloch would say.
in effect, claiming that god is above accountability and yet can accuse you at the drop of the hat of being food for the fires of hell, all of which the text claims, he created. these are the responses of a tyrannical animal. it's like creating a broken product, deliberately (you broke it -- et.al, that particular jehovah is the accuser not god) and then blaming the product for being broken. you created the broken thing. the thing did not create itself broken. logic, compassion, fatherly behavioris are completely absent, yet the text tries to say he's our father creator.
no, the creator of the human race was enki, who is depicted as the serpent in the garden. he behaves like a father in later examples, which are hidden from the reader by combining the accuser and the creator into one entity.
something is seriously wrong with sin doctrine. sin was a son of enlil. he created sin. doh.
That's more than likely man's interpretation of what happens if the law is broken. I grew up never having been taught about "going to heaven", or "going to hell", and the more i research into it, it isn't a Christian doctrine. It came into the Roman Catholic Church from paganism.
Yeh, I know brimstone preachers rant and rave about it, but it didn't come from the Original Bible!
"NO MAN HAS ENTERED INTO HEAVEN"
A loving God wouldn't sit and watch a person suffer in 'Eternal punishment', nor would he write about it.
The separation of that which is holy and that which is not is a natural part of existence.
starwarp
this is the thing: time is totally irrelevant in the eternal plane, so if he was god, he would be responsible for everything evil as well as everything good based on the way the old testament tells it. if he is responsible, why are we being blamed? easy! he's the accuser. the accuser stands before the throne of the heavenly father, like a prosecuting attorney, complaining about the human occupants of earth (his planet) and how they are abusing his planet and each other.
his planet. who tried to give the planet to jesus?
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/2013-05-17122127_zps8acd69f5.jpg)jebus didnt turn my orange into an apple : (
robo
faith of a mustard seed is alot. it suggests changing of physical matter with the mind in 3d space. tell the mountain, move over yonder and it does. could you imagine the mess that would cause? mountains crashing into each other. mountain traffic jams. it sounds like alchemical transmutation, like water into wine and a fish and a loaf, into multiple fishes and loaves. this suggests you actually have to know what is safe to change and what isn't. is it safe to change your orange into an apple? :D i dunno, do you?
i think a better test would be to change your astral state at least in that way, you aren't impacting physical matter, which may have some unforeseen difficulties, like the butterfly effect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x4e8xTvQh8
that's not a religious video, btw.
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no i was not trying to change it but i was hoping another member would since their faith was so strong.i guess my god was stronger than his god.my religion must be the correct one: )
or maybe your god wishes to let me burn in hell by not converting me.
: (
Well, I said I had no more comment...............
The Bible is very clear regarding where satan came from, which was heaven.
The Bible is very clear where man came from - God made him, and her.
The Bible is very clear relative to God's command to Adam to not eat of the fruit from the forbidden tree.
The Bible is very clear relative to Adam and Eve's disobedience (sin), and the effect of their actions upon all mankind.
The Bible is very clear relative to "who" tempted Eve to disobey, and then Adam.
The Bible is very clear relative to the "original sin", and it is very clear the ramifications of original sin.
The Bible is very clear that death originated as a result of the "original sin", and death continues to this day.
The Bible is clear that a woman would suffer the pains of giving birth as a result of the "original sin", which continues to this day.
The Bible is clear that because of the sin in the garden, the ground is under a cursed, and it shall bring forth thorns and thistles........... .
Etc, Etc.............
Yes, all of the forces of original sin are still with us today - yes, believe it or not - we, you, and everyone is still going to die a physical death at some point, because of it.
God does not debate his Word. His Word is forever alive, and it will accomplish whatever He intends. No matter what anyone says!
rdunk
that only works if you don't take into account, eternity. on the eternal plane, 10,000 years ago is right now, and so is 10,000 years from now. or 100,000 years or 1,000,000 years.
so ask yourself, would god create you as a broken product? cause based on the old testament
(which i think depicts both satan and god, as jehovah and vice-a-versa), he knew on the day of creation, what you would become. eternally speaking, it's ludicrous to suggest he would create you as a faulty product then punish you for being faulty, cause that's what it amounts to.
HOWEVER, on the temporal plane, if he were a life form like the rest of us, he could get away with blaming us for stuff that he had no real control over. THEN it makes sense. eternal plane, nope. temporal, sure. to me this suggests that god referred to as jehovah in the old testament is sometimes a temporal being, like the rest of us. otherwise, he would be constantly contradicting himself.
the bible is very clear god could not answer cains question"am i my brothers keeper?"
the bible is very clear god was going to kill the israelites until moses stepped in.
that is two times your omnipotent god failed.
proof he makes mistakes and doesnt know all the answers.
Broken product?? Absolutely not!! God made man in his own image, with a free will. With that free will, man chose to disobey God, as a result of the serpent's encouragement and lying, in saying "thou shall not die". And thus man "broke himself".
And yes, since that time, God has had a plan for the Way (Jesus) for man to overcome that original sin, and have the eternal life that was to have been man's destiny in the beginning.....................God told Adam that he could eat from every tree in the Garden, except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So, until the sin, Adam could have eaten of the Tree of Life at any time, and then would have lived forever.......but he hadn't done that yet, before the sin. And, after the sin, God locked it up, so he could not eat from it and live forever
And regardless, there is no "knowing" of the mind of God, except for what he says in his Word, and he says that too in his Word.
nobody knows the mind of a murderer either so murderers should be allowed to keep doing what theyre doing and we will have blind faith that they know what theyre doing.
nobody knows my mind so believe what i say and be saved from the torment of the bible/idol.
and all sin is ignorance and ignorance is forgivable so you are already free of sin.now worship your new real god that walketh the earth and blesseth all weed he touches.and bring forth fruit from his garden of eve.for not even gods body will live forever but his word lingereth for many lifetimes.for it is the truth to all that see and hear with an open mind.
And then we discovered Space Laser's :D
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Space_Weapons_04_High_Energy_Laser_System_02.html
Those weapon's could explain a LOT in regard's to ancient times :D
Quote from: rdunk on May 17, 2013, 08:57:21 PM
Broken product?? Absolutely not!!
according to the version of jehovah that constantly accuses people of being evil, broken products that deserve to be punished forerver, i would say broken product is an understatement.
and god made males and females in (his) image. not man in his image. i point that out because it doesn't say man there it says adam there. they could've been male and female aliens, for all we know. we have no idea what the adam was before the fall narrative. in fact, when eve finally gives birth to the first human, the word used is iysh, not adam. she says i have gotten an iysh from the lord.
the guy who this planet belonged to at the time, did not want procreating homo sapians living forever, and we got nerfed. and that is the fall narrative.
remember, knowledge at the time, meant of each other. they had knowledge of each other (had sex) and eve gave birth for the first time, procreatively. that means procreation was the big bad reason to modify life span. that means we were nerfed because the guy who this planet belonged to *ya know the guy who tried to give the planet to jesus in exchange for his fealty*, did not want us ruining his planet.
seriously, if you think the OT god is jesus 100% of the time, you may need to keep reading.
"seriously, if you think the OT god is jesus 100% of the time, you may need to keep reading."
It forever has always has been God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost! The Bible is very clear on that too. The man Jesus was born after his mother, the virgin Mary, was impregnated by the Holy Spirit as the angel had spoken, and she conceived.
Always a one God of all, consisting of the three parts, a "Triune God-head".
according to the version of jehovah that constantly accuses people of being evil, broken products that deserve to be punished forerver, i would say broken product is an understatement
Maybe a play on words, but seems to be a misunderstanding. God does not accuse, as he doesn't have to. He set forth the Ten Commandments, so that all of man would "recognize their own sin", and would "know" that they are sinners, and need the God of mercy, forgiveness, and salvation.
satan is the continuing "accuser of man", for the purpose of controlling man, and to prevent man from seeing the "TRUE WAY TO LIFE". Actually a quite simple fact of this life! Some will find the Way, and some may not.
Quotethat only works if you don't take into account, eternity. on the eternal plane, 10,000 years ago is right now,
and so is 10,000 years from now. or 100,000 years or 1,000,000 years.
Right on the nail undo, 100% Correct
rdunk...
Regarding the writings and religious beliefs;
These writings are historical writings, which the "human Species" has
chosen to
Bastardise in every
conceivable way, through "
Ignorance" and Evil intentions.
At the "Root" of
WAR and"
Condemnation" human Religion is found.
rdunk your statements, Quote;
QuoteYes, all of the forces of original sin are still with us today - yes, believe it or not - we, you,
and everyone is still going to die a physical death at some point, because of it.
I noticed you left out the word "I" so are we to take it you
omit yourself, from your beliefs ?
Quoteand everyone is still going to die a physical death at some point, because of it.
Now this includes you
TOO ! (the "
flesh")
I have experienced, as have
many others, what you believe to be Death, but we found
what you appear to believe, going by what you say, is
B.S.LIFE is Eternal but the Primate is
NOT LIFE !
To claim that the Primate (Human) is
LIFE is a
Lie !
"
The Real Self", i.e.
LIFE is
Eternal, and is the
One, experiencing both the body and Environment !
LIFE can
NOT Die, nor can the "flesh" Live...
They are
separate "
Components" !
As you will discover when your time comes... :)
From
your bible...
This why the Carpenter was Reported to have said; "
Let the Dead Bury the Dead"
to a Man who could
NOT follow
LIFE but instead, that Man followed after
the material world. ("
flesh")
The carpenter was Reported to have said, If anyone puts anything
before LIFE, then they
are
NOT worthy of
LIFE !
It also says in
your bible "The Fearful shall
NOT Enter" !
Personally; I will follow
LIFE wherever
LIFE goes, because the Real me,
as in the case of others, comes from the
LIGHT or One
LIFE of us
ALL.
It is written in
your bible also, "Judge
NOT that ye be
NOT Judged !"
So you are "
free" to
believe what ever you desire, but Please, please do
NOT try and
RAMyour religious "
BELIEFS" (Interpretations) down our throats !
rdunk; It appears to me, there are some or perhaps more here, who are far more enlightened than yourself.
and they could not see the truth in front of them and were lost.for their very soul was invested in the pulp of the tree.thus the light showed but their fear of the light kept their eyes closed and in ignorance they spent .never knowing the truth and lived blindly in the land of desolation.burdened by his sins and not living the true life his father gave him.but hiding under a rock and losing sleep over what could have been if he had been brave and tested his fathers law and knew every detail.
but the father was patient for nott wanting to lose one lamb said pray my son and ask for permission to test him and lord was happy that his son was wise.
and then here comes more personal opinion (http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/bsflag.gif) from Matrix again. At least, as you say, the Bible is recognized as somewhat historical, even from the non NDE's.
As some smart guy once said, "that's all folks", as is usual, this rabbit hole is going no where this time either! :)
All we have is our opinion as to what to believe.There is no real proof of
anything religious.. However, I believe that Jesus is the son of God, is my
personal savior, and one day will change this corrupt body to a new body
and take me home to be with God and Jesus in heaven for ever. If I am
wrong, I or not one of you will ever know. If you are wrong, one of us will
be very disapointed.
Quote from: rdunk on May 18, 2013, 12:41:15 AM
and then here comes more personal opinion (http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/bsflag.gif) from Matrix again. At least, as you say, the Bible is recognized as somewhat historical, even from the non NDE's.
As some smart guy once said, "that's all folks", as is usual, this rabbit hole is going no where this time either! :)
I have never seen you make a single statement, in any post on this forum, that did not consist exclusively of either nationalistic or Christian mind control. On that basis, for you to continue to imply that anyone else's argument is erroneous, is intolerable.
if the old testament wasn't in our bibles, we could still be christians. those books don't save us. they are interesrting ancient historical texts, with little clues and snippets of information about our beginnings, and stories that help us define improper behavior, good dietary habits and useful info on how to stay safe, get along with others, either by commandment or by example, and how to interact with god. problem is, the information in the new testament, changes all that. it helps elucidate how god would actually behave with his creation, which is not what you see in the old testament, except on rare occassions. god is almost constantly angry in the old testament.
think, rdunk. are we to believe that once inside a human body, god would suddenly become compassionate, whereas when in his perfect body, he's angry, jealous, vengeful, etc? heaven can't possibly consist of spending eternity with a god who is displaying all the same characteristics that jesus told us to avoid?
man ove been to hold back but as officoal web cripple.that would be a burn.
Quote from: rdunk on May 18, 2013, 12:41:15 AM
and then here comes more personal opinion (http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/bsflag.gif) from Matrix again. At least, as you say, the Bible is recognized as somewhat historical, even from the non NDE's.
As some smart guy once said, "that's all folks", as is usual, this rabbit hole is going no where this time either! :)
I see you have to keep raising that flag rdunk ?
Having Trouble keeping it up there are you ?
I wonder why..... :)
Perhaps you are having trouble Convincing yourself .... :)
One thing for sure, you are unable to convince me, what you claim to be. :)
This is a "
Research Forum", Not your own private Sunday school. ::)
tmt
QuoteThis is a "Research Forum", Not your own private Sunday school.
he was just replying to my rabbit hole. can't have a discussion board without discussion.
lol.it sure gets hot in this place.kinda reminds me of the debates me and armap have.
Quote from: undo11 on May 18, 2013, 03:57:00 AM
think, rdunk. are we to believe that once inside a human body, god would suddenly become compassionate, whereas when in his perfect body, he's angry, jealous, vengeful, etc? heaven can't possibly consist of spending eternity with a god who is displaying all the same characteristics that jesus told us to avoid?
THAT would be HELL!!!
::)
QuoteThis is a "Research Forum", Not your own private Sunday school.
Precisely, Matrix.....if Rdunk would actually do some research beyond that book he keeps banging on about, he would also see that he is learning a complicated trade, by reading one page of the instructions.
One..religion has no place in the Rabbit Hole discussion, as the Rabbit Hole indicates a place where someone finds the truth and amazing facts they have been kept from seeing by people exactly like the religious.
For a religious person to say they have any inkling of what resides in said Rabbit Hole, is the same as the dishwasher at the local Denny's saying he's mastered Quantum physics by reading comic books on the crapper. Pablum, pure and simple.
Oh, we all should feel compassion for the folks whose minds just never get it...Rdunk, you must either cease your spewing of the doctrines of insane men, or bump your head and hopefully fall down that Rabbit Hole, but regardless of your future, the Bible could be the worst book to cement your beliefs in, when the history of it's evil writers and inventors are so plainly obvious.
LE
oh dear. that was over the top, doncha think, LE?
we didnt even get into the bible being a spell book.the songs of solomon are spells.or as i like to call it.higher logic.
PROOF!!! somethin's wrong with christianity.
(http://s22.postimg.org/5r2t700z5/godis1ofus.jpg)
Who killed more people, god or satan.....
god of course.
Well LE, I tried hard to find a way to reply to your directed contentious comments, and decided that the best way is just to not! Rather, I will simple place them where they will do the most good!
On point, I have made several replies on this thread. One I think maybe the best was reply #16, where I simply said, "By the way, in my opinion, there should be nothing in a rabbit hole, but "hare"!!" :)
Now maybe you and petrus took that as being religious, I don't know. But I certainly didn't mean it that way! ;)
Actually, if you would take the time to look back on this thread, every reply I have made that even mentioned anything relative to Christianity/The Bible, etc, was in direct reply to Biblical thought discussed/mentioned by other posters.
Of course, the special access Religion forum board is purely for discussion of religion, but, in the venue of aliens, gods, God, and the Biblical scriptures , it does seem that all sorts of religious conversation can develop also on the general forums. LE, I guess you may have a problem with that, but such is ok with me, if people wish to discuss some related areas of religion in other places!!
Cheers!! ;)
lol gigas
that's not quite accurate, but you have made a point of mine in there.
this is at least, the way i'm figuring it --
we were created as workers, which the text says.
we didn't have procreative sex. new adam workers were created via some kind of cloning. no clue what we looked like, at that point.
then we were given mammalian reproduction by enki, lactation etc. we could now create new life.
this ticked off enlil who had been given rulership of this planet, by anu. enlil didn't want us to be procreative. he called a meeting, argued that we would over populate the planet quickly. and it was decided that enki should fix the problem he had created, by modifying life span. enlil was an enviromentalist, and as far as he was concerned, humans were bad for the environment.
the flood event was actually mixed together in the OT. it was originally 2 flood events, compacted into one story. the first flood was global, and happened as a result of a cataclysm that they knew was going to happen. they collected samples from all the animals around the planet, and used that stockpile later, to re-terraform and re-populate the planet.
the second flood was the black sea flood. this is the one where the noah figure was warned and given dimensions to build the ark, by enki. there were 2 different arks in the 2 different flood stories, a wooden boat with some farm animals on board for the black sea flood, and some kind of space craft, like a giant flying greenhouse/genetic bank for the global flood that resulted in the need to re-terraform and repopulate the planet.
notice it says, REPLENISH the earth.
The Village Idiot would like to know how you got the 2 for 1 flood.
Quote from: VillageIdiot on May 19, 2013, 12:38:18 AM
The Village Idiot would like to know how you got the 2 for 1 flood.
ever hear of the gap theory?
well we got the river outflow sediment stating s flood 4800years ago.then we have dennisovian man on the scene ove.pr a million years ago.per genetics.big gap of time in there.the frozen guy in the alps would have washed away and thats 15000 years ago.you got dinosaur and man tracks in at least two different stone formations.if i was gonna terraform a land .i would bring dinos in to scratch the land up like chickens do.i bet the nazca lines have something to do with the new beginning.breeding centers for each species maybe.
Gap Theory - Is this what you are referring to undo?
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/gap-theory.htm
In biblical writings where does it mention these 2 Floods you speak of ? :o
I know of the Noah's flood in the OT, and I know of "water like a flood" in "The Revelation of J.C."
mentioned in Ch. 12 verses 15 & 16...
Can you please give the "Book" in the OT, Chapter, and verses, regarding the 2 Floods you mentioned, undo ? :)
lame.i read it and theres nothing there but some guys opinion.at least we have evidence.but then again god may be a mouse that had earth built as his playground.i better consult the dolphins.better get some fish.i hear they have an appetite for them.all bow to the holy mice.
Quote from: rdunk on May 19, 2013, 05:50:12 AM
Gap Theory - Is this what you are referring to undo?
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/gap-theory.htm
oh thanks for the info on replenish! the problem is, it still indicates 2 things:
1. that the king james version of the bible, has problems, regardless of people claiming it's the pure, unadulterated translation of the word of God with no errors. because, as the article indicates, the original word for replenish did not mean to refill, it meant to simply fill.
2. the world was not created tohu, so the tohu condition of the earth in the opening verses, is not the original state it was created in. something has happened prior to that point to make it tohu.
ever read anything by finis jennings dake? in his book, god's plan for man, he outlines his position on the pre-adamic earth. it's interesting. he was quite the bible scholar. he stated that the earth predated humans, during what he called, the angelic dispensation. and that this planet was the domain of the angels who rebelled
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on May 19, 2013, 06:24:04 AM
In biblical writings where does it mention these 2 Floods you speak of ? :o
other flood, genesis chapter 1, verse 2 and 3 etc, where it talks about the earth being void, etc. and god's spirit moves on the surface of the water (the dry land is underwater) and the land isn't being created, the water is just drawing down to reveal dry land that was already there.
so my theory is that this indicates the end of the ice age and the end of the global flood that was apparently part of the ice age.
Quote from: undo11 on May 19, 2013, 09:13:40 AM
other flood, genesis chapter 1, verse 2 and 3 etc, where it talks about the earth being void, etc. and god's spirit moves on the surface of the water (the dry land is underwater) and the land isn't being created, the water is just drawing down to reveal dry land that was already there.
so my theory is that this indicates the end of the ice age and the end of the global flood that was apparently part of the ice age.
Quoteother flood, genesis chapter 1, verse 2 and 3 etc, where it talks about the earth being void, etc.
How can it be a "
Flood", if the Earth is
without "
Form" and "
Void" ?
The Earth did
NOT exist at this "stage" of events... :)
As the Heaven (
NOT Heavens) was being produced involving the Firmament for the "Earth"
& "Heavens" to appear in, as described later in "
The 1st Book of Moses Called Genesis" Ch. 1
I know many think, "without form", relates to the many "species", but I should point out that the Earth
having
NO "Form" meant the Earth was
NOT in Dimensional form !
i.e.
without "
Form".
And "
Void" meaning
Empty...
2nd there is
NO "
Flood"
mentioned, in "The 1st Book of Moses Called Genesis" Ch. 1 verses 2 & 3.
IF a "Flood" was involved the writings would have stated it...
So sorry
NO Flood. :(
The earlier versions, refers to the "
Face of the Deep" as the more recent
versions do,
but have had added the "Waters" into the
translation.
Anyone who
knows LIFE, can see these so called "
Waters" mentioned, simply by closing the Eyes,
and
recognising what is in their Vision.
It appears as a "
Granular Texture" with
Eddies in it like unto Water, all is presented through.
It is very easy to see the result of the Spirit
moving upon these so called Waters.
There are also Samarian writings (before the O.T. writings, as they are known today) also referring
to the "Face of the Deep", as well as in other writings relating to the same story.
The O.T., contrary to
public opinion, were put together, while the Jews were in exile. (in Babylon)
If you
read the "
Paraleipomena of Jeremiah", it refers to the "ancient writings" (records) being buried,
along with the other tools of the temple before being torn down by the Angels.
Your Local University, if it has a "Theological" or "Philosophy" library, should be able to obtain
copiesof these writings for you, if you are unable to find them on the net.
From my earlier years, I still have copies of these manuscripts, in my own library, some of which are now on disc.
While the Jews were in exile, they established a new written language, now known as Hebrew today.
Prior to this, the
ZION language was used, but the Babylonians got rid of this, and the new
Written Hebrew
was established, but the spoken Hebrew language remained.
The Priests while in Babylon, (in Exile) wrote the
O.T. as it is known today, from the vocal record,
passed down amongst the Temple Hierarchy.
This material in the past, was
Not available to the general public, but things are changing
as more demand the availability of such material. :)
The Face of the Deep is
NOT the "
Seas" because "The Face" was in
2D BEFOREthe "Firmament" was introduced, Creating
Space between the "
Faces" from
One "
Plane".
If you think of a Square or Round Plane in your Vision, and Rotate it about say a vertical axis,
you will find it has
2 "
Faces", a Near Face and a Rear Face.
Even if in Conceptual form.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/0000.gif)
But there are those on Earth who understand these things and more.
In time, more knowledge will become available, as written in your
N.T. writings !
Quote; "And Knowledge shall increase."
tmt
oh i know, there's a bit of a problem with them using the word "face of the deep" in that reference, because i have also extracted the meaning as a creative process involving the wormholes, or rather super massive black holes and the event horizons of super massive black holes (the face), that scientists are now saying created the universe. and that is because the word for "the deep" there is tehowm, which means abyss. i keep running into the same problem, the abyss=sea BUT it also equals an abyss gate (a star gate that creates a wormhole) in the sea. so sometimes when it's talking about the abyss, it's talking about the sea. and sometimes when it's talking about the abyss, it's talking about a gate in the sea. in this case, i think it's talking about both, a gate in the sea and the sea itself. reason being is as follows:
in the sumerian, akkadian and egyptian texts, the first thing that happens is the primeval mountain rises from the primeval abyss, or better stated, the e.abzu of enki rises from the abzu. another way to state it is, the e.nun rises from the nun. after which it floats over the water like a lofty mountain (moving on the face of the deep). etc etc.
it rose from the abzu because the abzu is the abyss and the gate of the abyss, at the same time in the reference. later you read that enki created the e.abzu IN the abyss. so either he created it in the water, or he created it thru the gate in the water, also called the abyss. it's a complicated thing to be sure, mostly because of language variants.
Just thought re the Waters.... LOL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mDnftAsIGc
Re the abbess...
Everything having Form, exists in its own "Hole".
So really we are looking at the Contents of "Holes"... LOL.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/009_The_Portals.jpg)
or
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/008_The_Portals.jpg)
The "Outline" is the "Hole" ! :)
Holy or Holey ?
(Both Words sound the same but it is the Scribes who give the 2 Spellings...)
If there wasn't a "Hole", for your human Form to be in, (a Hole the same shape and size) then your body
would have nowhere to be... LOL.
All objects have their own "Hole", they exist in.
Think about it for a moment.... :)
tmt
yeah the event horizon is depicted as water. when i read the description of what egyptologists thought the osirieon represented, particularly when the original items were in their slots (which are now missing and they are guessing what those items might have been) on the central platform, they say it was a model of the primeval mountain rising from the nun, or the waters of creation. yeah.........
Quotethey say it was a model of the primeval mountain rising from the nun, or the waters of creation. yeah.........
You are onto now..... :)
Quote from: rdunk on May 17, 2013, 07:17:32 PM
The Bible is very clear relative to the "original sin", and it is very clear the ramifications of original sin.
Yes, it can only be the fault of the Omnipotent and Omnipresent Deity. The sicko!
You have such a clear understanding of the Bible. I'm just so envious. ::)
(http://api.ning.com/files/8NGWJ6gFOvqyFmeHI1BtLc0WmnkRp6M7bE--7AG4RUIiz1oMrX5unpWDtRpaqm99KHE11k2nz5zmlOjRA8nVyu5NTuwoFWjp/zombiejesus.jpg)
The better candidate for Messiah is the one on the left.
Quote from: rdunk on May 17, 2013, 08:57:21 PM
Broken product?? Absolutely not!! God made man in his own image, with a free will. With that free will, man chose to disobey God, as a result of the serpent's encouragement and lying, in saying "thou shall not die". And thus man "broke himself".
As an all knowing Deity "god" must have known what "man" would do. Unless you believe that your god is not all knowing? What's it going to be then, BS or BS?
#If I were you I'd duck the question with complete nonsense about god moving in mysterious ways and pretend you are not just spouting crap from Sunday school or Bible classes.
Yes, broken product you are. Why? You have the ability to think for yourself but instead believe what is so completely obviously a fabrication designed to control you. Wakey wakey.
Quote from: Littleenki on May 18, 2013, 11:31:52 AM
Precisely, Matrix.....if Rdunk would actually do some research beyond that book he keeps banging on about, he would also see that he is learning a complicated trade, by reading one page of the instructions.
Even within that book there is enough evidence to dismiss the lies. Start doing real research and the whole think comes tumbling down. ;)
Quote from: Pimander on May 19, 2013, 01:22:25 PM
Even within that book there is enough evidence to dismiss the lies. Start doing real research and the whole think comes tumbling down. ;)
ah but it isn't lies. it's jumbled up, mixed together, ancient history and science. i can prove it. :D
Sadly the writings have been
"Bastardised" by the human Species. :( >:(
Even the Carpenter told this to his disciples, Quote;
Quote39. Jesus said, "The Pharisees and the Scribes
have taken THE KEYS of KNOWLEDGE and HIDDEN Them.
They themselves have NOT entered,
nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to.
You, however, be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves."
i read an article that sitchins stuff aint real.is the bases of your science founded on those stories or backed with other stuff.just being devils avocate here.
Quote from: robomont on May 20, 2013, 12:15:36 AM
i read an article that sitchins stuff aint real.is the bases of your science founded on those stories or backed with other stuff.just being devils avocate here.
started with the bottomless pit chapter in revelation 9. here, read this
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rev&c=9&v=1&t=KJV#top
that's an alien invasion the leader of said invasion, comes down to the earth and opens the bottomless pit, which in the original language, is Abyss. the abyss is the abzu, the nun, the "star gate" in fact, i can prove the meaning of babel is star gate. :D
the abyss has a door (gate) that requires some kind of key to open it. and when it's opened out of it comes ........something. i dunno what, but they apparently fly and their flight sounds aren't silent. it's quite loud and scares the guy having the vision. he describes it using themes he's familar with.
btw i just watched this new star trek movie, and it was awesome, although i have a few complaints. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhz4A5BCMAA
i thought it would be bigtime.but sales have been bad.im gonna buy the dvd though.the economy is hurtin bad.
Sadly there is a lot of "superstition", and senseless "fear" regarding "Star Gates" based on a lack of knowledge.
There is nothing new about the use of such devices. :)
They have been around for eons, re. in the context of the Aeon, (an extremely long, or indefinite, period of time).
Quote from: undo11 on May 20, 2013, 12:43:45 AM
btw i just watched this new star trek movie, and it was awesome, although i have a few complaints. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhz4A5BCMAA
I've seen it too back on Thursday and I might I add I liked the first scene and planet they were first on, rather in the name of that M Class planet they were on. I thought to myself what an interesting name. 8)
Oh and yes I second that too. It is a good movie as well, on par with the first reboot.
Edward
not gonna say any spoilers but i'm having a wee bit o' trouble with one of the chars in the movie. not that this person isn't a good actor, just well, fitting the storyline he does not.
and i don't mean scotty. :D
(one more thing: jj abrams is gonna be the director for star wars??? holey rusted metal batman.... he better not screw it up.)
Quote from: undo11 on May 20, 2013, 02:04:23 AM
not gonna say any spoilers but i'm having a wee bit o' trouble with one of the chars in the movie. not that this person isn't a good actor, just well, fitting the storyline he does not.
and i don't mean scotty. :D
Yeah but at the same time, this is an Alternate Universe where the stories are "slightly" different although having a similar feel. Hence Alternate meaning not the original.
Edward
Quote from: Edward on May 20, 2013, 03:10:54 AM
Yeah but at the same time, this is an Alternate Universe where the stories are "slightly" different although having a similar feel. Hence Alternate meaning not the original.
Edward
oh they aren't following the official storyline?
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on May 19, 2013, 11:34:01 PM
Sadly the writings have been "Bastardised" by the human Species. :( >:(
Even the Carpenter told this to his disciples, Quote;
39. Jesus said, "The Pharisees and the Scribes
have taken THE KEYS of KNOWLEDGE and HIDDEN Them.
They themselves have NOT entered,
nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to.
You, however, be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves."
Matrix, as always, you are welcome to your opinion about the Bible. But, I cannot find the scripture exactly as you have quoted it. Do you have the specific book and scripture of the Bible to reference, or is this statement coming from elsewhere, like Thomas maybe, or from gnostic stuff??
Thanks!
rdunk
i'm not terribly fond of some gnostic texts myself, but i would also like to remind you that the text of the old testament was under the sole purview of the people jesus called the "synagogue of satan" and then later, both the old testament and the new testament, were under the sole purview of the vatican, which the book of revelation seems to suggest is the great whore. to suggest the text is not even slightly corrupted or missing huge chunks, is asking alot, particulary when the argument that god protects it from such machinations, hasn't held true for any changes that have been made to it for at least a couple centuries.
i think it's time to quit relying on other men to tell you what it all means, and ask jesus to reveal it to you, then be prepared to accept the answers.
Quote from: starwarp2000 on May 17, 2013, 05:47:20 PM
That's very gentlemanly....er womanly..... er personally... ;D of you Am, you open a lot of doors in more than a rhetorical sense.
[smile] I surely like to believe You're right. Thanks!
i kinda liked the nostic stuff.not saying its true but it sure made for better reading.i enjoyed the apocrypha too.its nice to read something other than the bible if your a religious nut like i use to be.
Quote from: robomont on May 20, 2013, 03:59:56 AM
i kinda liked the nostic stuff.not saying its true but it sure made for better reading.i enjoyed the apocrypha too.its nice to read something other than the bible if your a religious nut like i use to be.
i'm interested in comparative analogies of stuff that predated jesus. stuff that comes after his time on earth and prophecies, i'm not as interested in. i'm not terribly thrilled with the book of revelation atm, becuase it concerns me that it may also be corrupted, and if it is, then the leaders of the planet are aware of it and using it like a playbook. and if that's the case, we are in some serious doo-doo, depending on how much of the original text is legit i think it's a mixture of legit and seemingly not legit (remnants of the babel incident perhaps), with some translation problems and 1500 years of papal interpretation screwing the whole thing up. add to that, 500 years of hard core atheism, which takes the complete opposite position based on papal interpretations, and the idea we might actually be able to uncover the truth on a massive scale, gets more and more remote.
if it ain't the failures of times past, it's the people of today claiming the failures are ample reason to just toss out 1000s of years of ancient history. that drives me bonkers.
tossing out history? you got that right.
the billionaires and govs around the world are chasing the same thing we are and its just a matter of time before enough pieces are put together and the big picture is discovered.
Quote from: robomont on May 20, 2013, 04:29:18 AM
tossing out history? you got that right.
the billionaires and govs around the world are chasing the same thing we are and its just a matter of time before enough pieces are put together and the big picture is discovered.
which same things?
Quote from: undo11 on May 20, 2013, 03:28:33 AM
oh they aren't following the official storyline?
No, they are not. In the many interviews with JJ and part of the cast and old cast members they have all said how now they can create a new startrek with out infringing or impinging with the Original Startrek Universe. All due to how JJ came out with the first reboot and the story line that emerged from that.
Edward
Quote from: Edward on May 20, 2013, 05:02:43 AM
All due to how JJ came out with the first reboot and the story line that emerged from that.
oh yeahhh, alternate timeline. so this time, perhaps, james tiberius kirk, will not die alone.
@amy.
the secrets of the universe of course.
we at pegasus get closer everyday.
i believe the info will come at exponentially faster waves as we progress.like putting a large jigsaw puzzle together.
"i think it's time to quit relying on other men to tell you what it all means, and ask jesus to reveal it to you, then be prepared to accept the answers".
Thanks undo, but I will stay with the Word that God has given us, and depend upon God to deal with his word, and my Christian thought/understanding of it. And actually that is pretty much the way it is, for it is by the Holy Spirit that we truly understanding the revelation of the Word. Of course, that is one of the reasons non-believers have such a hard time understanding it - that being not having the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to do that. Yep, to "confound the wise"!
undo, on another note - the refilling of the Earth vs fill of a few replies back - the Young's Literal Translation Bible still has it as "fill".
rdunk
i don't suggest that you don't read the bible . i'm saying you should pray that jesus show you what is and isn't legit in the text. otherwise, you're relying on data that may or may not have been tampered with since the time of jesus and you aren't a biblian, you're a christian. the holy spirit is from jesus not from the bible. the bible is a book and can be manipulated, and has been manipulated.
for example, in the old testament, there's a text that says, god was going to destroy the images of the egyptians at the time. the word for images there was mastabah. the difference between a mastabah and an image is huge. the decision of the translators to call it images instead, suggests they were hiding something important. and this is not acceptable.
then there's the decision to call the adam, "man" when it says male and female. if the adam was female too, then the female was created in the image of elohim too. and if that's true, then eve is not the first female, and if that's true, then somebody deliberately mislead the reader by making it sound like females were only ever the image of adam the human being, not adam the elohim or just in the image of the elohim.
later it suggests adam was more guilty than eve because he did the deed knowing full well what he was doing, whereas eve was tricked. if that's the case, eve was tricked cause somebody wasn't keeping her apprised, yet adam was apprised. so if that's true, how the sam hill does eve end up being guilty if 1) she was tricked, and 2) she wasn't told what to watch out for? i mean you can't have it both ways: either she was tricked or she wasn't. and if she was, then why's she get the worse punishment?
easy, the fall narrative is that they became procreative, when they weren't before that . it's a natural part of giving birth mammalian style, for there to be pain. and procreation caused the elohim to decide to nerf life span cause enlil didn't want humans "living forever" procreating all over the place on HIS planet (it was his planet, at the time).
come on, this can't be that hard to understand.
ive always thought some parts of that but that was the most thorough argument of that issue ive heard.personally i think the other tree maybe found in the "tree of life"gejome project.the closses thing to cannabis is strawberries.think what we would have if we merged the two.yummie : )
undo, there is no reason to go to all of the places you do, in trying to "figure out" the word of God. I certainly don't intend to do that. The revelation of the Word doesn't come by trying to find loose ends in it. In doing such you risk much, in possibly never coming to a real understanding of God's Word.
Relative to Eve, SHE KNEW! Gen. 3:1-3. And of course Adam knew also, and did likewise. Of course, as I understand it, it is the lineage of the man thru which the bloodlines were/are noted, not the female. It is the bloodline of Adam thru which the original sin is carried/continued. God made no mention of being concerned about Eve possibly eating from the tree of life. Rather it was only Adam that God mentioned, wanting to keep him from eating of the Tree of Life, and then living forever - in the vernacular of God's word, the woman was made as Adam's "helper", yet "they would be one flesh"!
QuoteGod made no mention of being concerned about Eve possibly eating from the tree of life
If this were true, then
EVE would
NOT have Died ....
LOL.
Unless of course,
EVE desired to Die....
LOL.
Quote from: robomont on May 20, 2013, 07:08:36 AM
ive always thought some parts of that but that was the most thorough argument of that issue ive heard.personally i think the other tree maybe found in the "tree of life"gejome project.the closses thing to cannabis is strawberries.think what we would have if we merged the two.yummie : )
ever read the epic of gilgamesh? enlil gets ticked at him for cutting down a bunch of cedar trees to build uruk, because, enlil said, they would never grow back. he had outlawed it, but gilgamesh did it anyway.
QuoteMatrix, as always, you are welcome to your opinion about the Bible. But, I cannot find the scripture exactly as you have quoted it. Do you have the specific book and scripture of the Bible to reference, or is this statement coming from elsewhere, like Thomas maybe, or from gnostic stuff??
No need to
Insult the "Carpenter" or the
LIFE of
GOD rdunk.
Christians don't behave like yourself. They have more sense...
When your time comes, you certainly will find out whether you are right or wrong, about your
pretences.
As I said you have
NOT convinced me you are a Christian... :)
You treat
LIFE as being a Fool.
But
LIFE sees right through your pretences.... :)
Quote from: rdunk on May 20, 2013, 07:29:27 AM
Relative to Eve, SHE KNEW! Gen. 3:1-3.
check this out
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived ,
but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. she was deceived and therefore the trangressor.
adam was not deceived and therefore, not the trangressor.
say what?
mind you, this is part of paul's rationale for not letting women teach.
if i wrote a book and said men were the trangressors and women were not, and i noticed men getting upset by this, i would just say that's why they shouldn't be allowed to talk -- cause they were the trangressors -- see they are even getting upset about it. you aren't allowed to say, "hey wait a minute!" because you can't be trusted not to trangress because some scenario you weren't even present for, that happened thousands of years ago. it's diabolically brilliant. danged if you do, danged if you don't.
the only thing capable of having such wide spread and all encompassing application is our human flesh. why does gender play a role in this at all ?
there is therefore no male or female, slave or free man, for all are one in christ jesus.
so why is there male or female in timothy? who the heck knows, not i.
it's enough to make you want to pull your hair out and pretend you're a man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YscPEiVeGjY
It is said that Mary Magdalene new the Carpenter better than His disciples.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene
Quote;
QuoteThis article is about a biblical figure. For other uses, see Mary Magdalene (disambiguation).
Mary Magdalena
Régnier Penitent Mary Magdalene.jpg
Penitent Mary Magdalene by Nicolas Régnier, Palace on the Water, Warsaw
Disciple
Born
Date unknown
Place unknown
Died
Date unknown
Place: possibly Saint-Maximin-la-Sainte-Baume, Ephesus, Asia Minor [1]
Honored in
Eastern Orthodoxy
Roman Catholic Church
Anglican Communion
Lutheranism
other Protestant churches
Bahá'í Faith
Feast
July 22
Attributes
Western: alabaster box of ointment
Eastern: container of ointment (as a myrrhbearer), or holding a red egg (symbol of the resurrection); embracing the feet of Christ after the Resurrection
Patronage
Apothecaries; Kawit, Cavite; Atrani, Italy; Casamicciola Terme, Ischia; contemplative life; converts; glove makers; hairdressers; penitent sinners; people ridiculed for their piety; perfumeries; pharmacists; reformed prostitutes; sexual temptation; tanners; women
Mary Magdalene (original Greek ????? ? ?????????),[2] or Mary of Magdala and sometimes The Magdalene, is a religious figure in Christianity. She has been called the second-most important woman in the New Testament after Mary the mother of Jesus.[3] Mary Magdalene traveled with Jesus as one of his followers. She was present at Jesus' two most important moments: the crucifixion and the resurrection.[4] Within the four Gospels, the oldest historical record mentioning her name, she is named at least 12 times,[5] more than most of the apostles. The Gospel references describe her as a courageous, brave enough to stand by Jesus in his hours of suffering, death and beyond.[3]
In the New Testament, Jesus cleansed her of "seven demons",[Lk. 8:2] [Mk. 16:9] sometimes interpreted as referring to complex illnesses.[6] Mary was most prominent during Jesus' last days. When Jesus was crucified by the Jews and Romans, St. Mary Magdalene was there supporting him in his final terrifying moments and mourning his death.[4] She stayed with him at the cross after the male disciples (except John the Beloved) had fled. She was at his burial, and she is the only person to be listed in all four Gospels[7] as first to realize that Jesus had risen and to testify to that central teaching of faith.[8] John 20 and Mark 16:9 specifically name her as the first person to see Jesus after his Resurrection. She was there at the "beginning of a movement that was going to transform the West".[4] She was the "Apostle to the Apostles", an honorific that fourth-century orthodox theologian Augustine gave her[9] and that others earlier had possibly conferred on her.
Despite her centuries-old disreputable depiction in religion, art, literature, and in recent prominent fictional books and movies, such as The Da Vinci Code, it is largely agreed today that "not a shred of solid biblical or extrabiblical evidence suggests she played the role of harlot, wife, mother, or secret lover".[4][5][9]
St. Mary Magdalene is considered by the Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, and Lutheran [ELCA only] churches to be a saint, with a feast day of July 22. Other Protestant churches honor her as a heroine in the faith. The Eastern Orthodox churches also commemorate her on the Sunday of the Myrrhbearers, the Orthodox equivalent of the Western Three Marys.
Have you read, "
The Gospel of Mary" (rejected by the "Roman church") undo ?
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/gospelmary.html
The discrimination of the sex's is barbaric and Stupidity... :)
EVE was supposed to be made from One of A'DAM's Ribs (As A'DAM was supposed to have said,
flesh of my flesh.)
It was "Roman Doctrine" that Propagated this Evil discrimination.
in the video i linked above, yentl is a young jewish girl, who was raised by her father, as her mother had passed away. she was seroiusly interested in learning talmud, and her dad kept telling her no, till finally he relented and taught it to her, with the curtains drawn so no one would see him doing so, since it was against their teachings.
when her dad passes, she wants to keep studying but can't because she's a woman. so she cuts off her hair and pretends she's a man and joins a talmud school. there's a reason god gave women brains . you would think one of those reasons would be so that we could learn about him and take that knowledge to others, but according to paul, that aint' such a good idea cause of eve, 6000 years ago.
and why? it's a vicious circle. observe:
eve was deceived (that means tricked)
by the most intelligent and priorily perfect creation in the universe. and here she was, dumb as a box of rocks, had no knowledge, didn't even know her partner was naked (wonder why that was), and god, the most compassionate being in the universe, who created and understood his creation, claimed eve was in the trangression and punished her the most sternly because apparently, being dumb as a box of rocks, thru no fault of your own, is still your fault.
to say i'm puzzled by such logic is an understatement.
I fully understand your thoughts undo...
As I said, the writings have been
"Bastardised" by the human species.
Even the Carpenter said, which many self proclaimed chistians (Who are
NOT Christians at all,
but are followers of "Roman Doctrine", referred to in ancient writings as "The Synagogue of Satan")
hate the very thought of what the Carpenter was reported to have said.
From "
The Gospel of Thomas", (
NOT originally a "Gnostic Writing", in spite of claims
by some uneducated people)
Quote;
Quote39. Jesus said, "The Pharisees and the Scribes
have taken THE KEYS of KNOWLEDGE and HIDDEN Them.
They themselves have NOT entered,
nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to.
You, however, be as wise as serpents
and as innocent as doves."
It was Roman Doctrine (The Roman Church fathers) who reject these writings and since then,
the Roman Church is the Root of Child sexual abuses, Sexual Discrimination, Corruption
and other Atrocities such as Violence against children and Women.
When I see the behaviour of those proclaiming to be Christians, but are instead, of the "The Synagogue of Satan"
I just want to
VOMIT !
oh vomiting could get messy. lol
in the future, when you quote from thomas, could you indicate it's from thomas? whenever debates like this come up, it's always good to indicate where you got your information from, otherwise, for all i know, you could be quoting the menu at wendys. hehe
and jesus was not talking to romans when he said that. he was talking to the jewish leaders of the synagogue at the time. the synagogue is a semitic institution not european. that does not mean semitic people are the spawn of satan. it just means somewhere along the line, in the old testament, the teachings of enlil (which were mesopotamian, not european) usurped the teachings of the creator of human beings. personally, i think it was in egypt. they became followers of the temple of set. i could be wrong of course.
since this was enlil's planet back then, it kind makes sense that his teachings took center stage. it just completely overshadowed the truth, is the problem at hand.
enlil, who may otherwise be a great fellow (to his friends), really does not like human beings at all, which is evident in the sumerian, akkadian and old testament texts. i think you may even be able to figure out which of the egyptian gods he was.
long story short, saying that commentary from jesus indicated romans, is kinda strange. particularly since enlil was like the premier god of the planet during the whole rise of the crescent moon symbology and the sin concept. sin was a son of enlil. look up sin enlil and read the wiki on it, at least. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_%28mythology%29
very much a semitic entity.
Quote from: undo11 on May 19, 2013, 01:41:32 PM
ah but it isn't lies. it's jumbled up, mixed together, ancient history and science. i can prove it. :D
I agree that some of the Bible is ancient history and science. Some is also prophecy, some mystical vision and some outright tampering with the identity of key characters obscured. Some of it was even likely originally written about John the Baptist and has been altered to make it appear to be written about Jesus.
ETA: Some of it is laws and sayings that cannot truly be attributed to anyone.
Quote from: Pimander on May 20, 2013, 04:23:11 PM
I agree that some of the Bible is ancient history and science. Some is also prophecy, some mystical vision and some outright tampering with the identity of key characters obscured. Some of it was even likely originally written about John the Baptist and has been altered to make it appear to be written about Jesus.
ETA: Some of it is laws and sayings that cannot truly be attributed to anyone.
i think the concept that the messiah was jtb is a red herring. it's not hard for that kinda thing to happen either, as they had alot less data avaialable to them at the time, vs what we know today. and if the planet manages to make it another 500-1000 years, the future people will have alot more data than we do.
of course, my theory is not just based on the bible, and i doubt the jtb theory is either. so i can't fault them for extrabiblical references. but i think my extrabiblical references are alot more informative and provide a clearer picture. jesus was the messiah.
this is the problem, however. what was the messiah supposed to represent to the jews? world domination, for one. when jesus showed up, he not only fit the bill as the last pharaoh of egypt and rightful heir to the roman, egyptian and israel thrones, he also came with a message that power easily corrupts and their desire for world domination was fraught with problems because of how they approached the subject. was it world domination for god or world domination for the priesthood, they were after. and if for god, which god, since they claimed to not recognize the messiah when he was standing right in front of them.
i dunno. i think jesus was the real deal.
Quote from: undo11 on May 20, 2013, 04:36:22 PM
i think the concept that the messiah was jtb is a red herring.
JTB had a larger following than Jesus at the time. There is some evidence that sections of the New Testament were originally about him. I think both men likely tried to fulfil prophecies in order to gain followers.
So it was written, so it shall be done....
... is how prophecy works.
QuoteSo it was written, so it shall be done....
unless of course, these guys were astral projecting or using some kind of tech that allowed them to glimpse possible futures. the problem with glimpsing anything, as is evident in the double slit experiment, your observation may change the original outcome, developing a timeline that wasn't originally solidified into a reality. perhaps this is what is meant by "upon reading the law" you become witness to it, and the act of observation skews you onto a different timeline where you're now being held accountable for stuff you didn't even do because the law condemns (accuses).
then, truly, the only solution would be to have a get out of jail free card, cause it would be otherwise, rather difficult to reacquire your original timeline and there's no indicator that its outcome would resolve any better. we are where we are, let's make the best of it.
Quote from: undo11 on May 20, 2013, 04:36:22 PM
this is the problem, however. what was the messiah supposed to represent to the jews? world domination, for one. when jesus showed up, he not only fit the bill as the last pharaoh of egypt and rightful heir to the roman, egyptian and israel thrones, he also came with a message that power easily corrupts and their desire for world domination was fraught with problems because of how they approached the subject. was it world domination for god or world domination for the priesthood, they were after. and if for god, which god, since they claimed to not recognize the messiah when he was standing right in front of them.
i dunno. i think jesus was the real deal.
Yes exactly undo.
Jesus was arrested and brought before Pilate as a political offender against the
Roman state....with the accusation made against him was that he claimed himself
"King of the Jews." It was Caiaphas, a high priest who sent Jesus to Pilate.
Jesus had spoke: sometime or other God would destroy the Temple.
Jesus had already confronted the money changers...
So Jesus was a threat to the ruling class of Romans, and thier high
priests, who were Jews that rejected Jesus as the Messiah.
Today, the Roman Empire is alive and well, more than most
people care to admit.
you spoke of the split from the true doctrine.could tbis have happened witb solomon at the time of the wife and baal situation.
QuoteToday, the Roman Empire is alive and well, more than most people care to admit.
BINGO ! You aren't wrong there !
Known as "
The 7 Hilled City" in ancient writings.
Quote from: robomont on May 20, 2013, 09:24:01 PM
you spoke of the split from the true doctrine.could tbis have happened witb solomon at the time of the wife and baal situation.
snippet from an article that tries to establish the connectoin between solomon and pharaoh siamun.
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3266164?uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&sid=21102309544627
whereas i think solomon WAS siamun.
very interesting.then maybe he got the baal religion from egypt.that would make sense i speculate.
so who was baal in egypt? like his egyptian god name. reminds me of this video. baal in the tv show, stargate sg1, had cloned himself several times, to escape sg1 who were hunting him to bring him to a tribunal, for his crimes against various intergalactic races.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU99tnHGMZY
Quote from: burntheships on May 20, 2013, 07:16:10 PM
Jesus was arrested and brought before Pilate as a political offender against the
Roman state....with the accusation made against him was that he claimed himself
"King of the Jews." It was Caiaphas, a high priest who sent Jesus to Pilate.
Any candidate for Messiah was a threat to the Roman occupation. The prophecy was that the Messiah would liberate Palestine from Imperial rule. The whole area was desperate for the promised leader to arrive.
Do you really think that it was necessary to doctor the Gospels so much if it was a clear cut thing who was the man for the job? Even in the edited Gospels it is questioned whether Jesus is the Messiah.
I think it was Brian. :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af9EHtQMMc4
Quote from: Pimander on May 21, 2013, 10:16:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af9EHtQMMc4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsyzRUKwgng
hehe
Well lets go Deeper into the RABBI hole....
Is Jesus the Messiah?... According to the RABBI....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49l-g_TtGhI
what's funny about that video, z, is that he has to manipulate timeframe in order to make his claims, then, complains about the seeming manipulation of timeframe (second coming as if the first weren't enough).
further, he still does not recognize the messiah because the torah was a mix of enlil and enki and anu, yet modern jews think it was only one guy. sadly, the one guy they think he was, is enlil, who is the guy that hates humans anyway. not too hard to believe they didn't recognize enki when they refused to acknowledge he existed as a separate entity, in the first place.
notice how he mentions that jesus calls to his father as if he were a separate entity and provides that as evidence? well, that's because there's more than one god, and that's a sure indicator of it. can't claim that's a roman catholic teaching, since the vatican insists there's only one god with like 3 different personalities inside him.
my solution to that dilemma is elegant -- there were 3 separate entities, all of which were called jehovah in the old testament, including jesus in his non human body (enki). they didn't recognize him because they refused to admit there were 3 (actually more, but 3 prominent ones).
it's in all their best interests to ignore or downplay the sumerian data. not only does it benefit the vatican to ignore the sumerian data, the belief in only one god who sounds like he'd just as soon slaughter us all as look at us, also is the foundation of islam and of some of the worst things in the old testament. it's also indicative of their desire to continue believing god only loves them and nobody else.
p.s. i also don't buy into the notion that anu, enlil and enki, represent aspects of our own psychological profiles, with enlil representing the masculine patriarchal left hemisphere and enki the right feminine matriarchal hemisphere. a man of compassion is not some weird anomalie with too much female in his head. doh. people who believe that are reinforcing the notion that individuals are gender based stereotypes. anybody that's honest with themselves for five seconds, knows that isn't true.
From "The Book of Daniel" Chapter 11 verses 36 to 40 Quote;
Quote36. And the king shall do according to his will;
and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god,
and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods,
and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished:
for that that is determined shall be done.
37. Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers,
nor the desire of women, nor regard any god:
for he shall magnify himself above all.
38. But in his estate shall he honour the god of forces:
and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver,
and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
39. Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god,
whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them
to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
40. And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him:
and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind,
with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships;
and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
Sounds very much the god referred to here, is "the unknown god" worshiped
by the Roman church and the other denominations.
The god people talk about today is
NOT the God our ancestors knew in ancient times !
The "Lord God", who spoke recorded in O.T. writings is the same who spoke
through the Carpenter.
There was/is "God" & "The Lord God".
The "
Key", is found in "
The Gospel According to John" Ch. 1 verses 1 to 13.
The two mentioned in this Book is The "
WORD" (of God) and The
LIFE (of God) which is the LIGHT
(
NOT Understanding but
LIGHT itself) of
MEN & Wo-
MENThe One who spoke
through the "Carpenter" was "The Lord God", who is reported as being
"
Lord of Lords King of Kings".
This was
NOT the Carpenter but "The
LIFE of God" (
LIFE being the Ruler, or Lord)
who Spoke
through Him.
God was referred to as The "
WORD" in Greek
INZ no longer found in the Greek Dictionary !
Which was on the Covers of Old bibles and hymn books.... see Photocopy below.
The Name could only be Written as it can't be vocalized not by magic but one can simply
NOT pronounce this word in Greek, and was removed from the Ancient Greek for this Reason.
The Ancient
WORD INZ came Directly from the
ZION, Written Language
which All the written Languages came from including Hebrew.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/INZ.jpg)
Quote from: Pimander on May 21, 2013, 10:16:35 AM
Any candidate for Messiah was a threat to the Roman occupation. The prophecy was that the Messiah would liberate Palestine from Imperial rule. The whole area was desperate for the promised leader to arrive.
Do you really think that it was necessary to doctor the Gospels so much if it was a clear cut thing who was the man for the job? Even in the edited Gospels it is questioned whether Jesus is the Messiah.
I think it was Brian. :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af9EHtQMMc4
It has always been heavily implied, however, that the Jews themselves were not willing to accept Jesus as the Messiah when he came to them, because he repudiated them as hypocrites. In a sense, little has changed in the last 2,000 years. Netanyahu, and his fellow warmongering psychopaths within the Israeli government, routinely denounce as anti-Semitic, anyone who in any way questions the idea that they should be given whatever they want, whenever they want it.
It wasn't the physical person who was the Messiah as the human churches would have you believe.
It was "The SON of MAN" (The MAN Child as Mentioned in The Revelation of Jesus Christ)
who was/is the Saviour of the Souls.
This why "
The SON of MAN" Shall Return to
Every Soul at some stage.
"The SON of MAN" is
NOT, I Repeat
NOT the "
Flesh" !
As written
2 Entities are Involved here !
1. The SON of God
and
2. The SON of MAN
NO Mention of "the Carpenter".
If the "Flesh" of the Carpenter was the Messiah then His disciples would have recognised
the carpenter on the road to Emmaus.
The Flesh of The Carpenter was "The
WORD of God" made "
flesh"
Nothing to do with a bible Compiled by the Romans or under Roman Law.
But it was "The Lord God" who spoke to them !
"The Lord God" is "
The LIFE of God" or "The LIGHT of MEN & Wo-MEN",
NOT the Descendants
of
A'DAM, as humans are today !
N.T. Writing "
The Gospel According to LUKE" Ch. 24 verses 13 to
Quote13. And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus,
which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
14. And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
15. And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned,
Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
16. But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
17. And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these
that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
18. And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him,
Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass
there in these days?
19. And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him,
Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed
and word before God and all the people:
20. And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned
to death, and have crucified him.
21. But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel:
and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
22. Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished,
which were early at the sepulchre;
23. And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also
seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.
24. And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre,
and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.
25. Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all
that the prophets have spoken:
26. Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27. And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them
in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
28. And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went:
and he made as though he would have gone further.
29. But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us:
for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent.
And he went in to tarry with them.
30. And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread,
and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
31. And their eyes were opened, and they knew him;
and He vanished out of their sight.
32. And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us,
while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
33. And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem,
and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,
34. Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
So there were 2 Disciples ?
Who was Quote;
QuoteAnd the one of them, whose name was Cleopas
Here are the
Names of the
12 !
Quote1. Simon//Peter or cephas
2. James (the elder) // --none--
3. John (the beloved disciple) // --none-- (although BOTH James and John we also called "sons of thunder" or "Boanerges")
4. Andrew (brother of simon) // --none--
5. Philip // --none--
6. Nathanael // Bartholomew
7. Thomas // Didymous (that writing called "The Gospel of Thomas and "The Infancy Gospel" ?)
8. Matthew // Levi
9. James (the younger, the less) // --none--
10. Jude // Thaddeus
11. Simon // The Zealot
12. Judas // Iscariot
So where is
Cleopas's name in the list ? :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleopas
QuoteCleopas (or Cleophas, Greek ???????) was a figure of early Christianity, one of the two disciples
who encountered Jesus during the Road to Emmaus appearance in the Gospel of Luke 24:13-32.
So while walking the whole distance to
Emmaus, these 2 Disciples did
NOT Recognise
the Carpenter !
WHY ?Then the body of the Carpenter appeared to them, as He broke the Bread.
So it is
NOT the Carpenter who is the Messiah but Something Else Communicating
through the Flesh of the Carpenter.
If it was the "Carpenter" Who was the Messiah... His
own "Disciples" would have Recognised Him ! :)
So do you really think that people today, Understand these Writings ?
I think
NOT !
Matrix, do you just make stuff up, so that it fits with whatever you believe?
Your comment, "If the "Flesh" of the Carpenter was the Messiah then His disciples would have recognised
the carpenter on the road to Emmaus"................ I asume that you use "Carpenter" to refer to Jesus (Yahusuha) ??
Do you even read the actual Biblical scriptures when you use them? I think if you did, than you would not have made the above statement!
vs 16 says very directly why they did not recognize Jesus - "and their eyes "were holden" so as not to know him.
vs 31 says very directly that their "holden eyes" (vs 16) were opened -And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and He vanished out of their sight".
So, it is very obvious that the eyes of the two were made to not recognize Jesus, for reason(s) only Jesus knows. It was not because it wasn't Jesus in his resurrection form, that they "didn't know who he was"!
Matrix, thanks for posting the Biblical scriptures of Luke, as these so clearly portray the resurrected Jesus, as he interacts with some of those that knew him before his crucifixion, death, and burial in the tomb. † †
Geeee rdunk You do have a problem don't you ?
Look don't worry, I'm sure it will all work out for you in the end, and you will find whatever it is
you desire.... ;D
But you certainly haven't convinced you are a Christian, your behaviour is definitely Anti Christ like. :(
QuoteSo, it is very obvious that the eyes of the two were made to not recognize Jesus, for reason(s) only Jesus knows.
Not necessarily to others. :)
Quotefor reason(s) only Jesus knows.
Your
Own "Confession",
saying You Don't Know !
Thank you for agreeing with me.... :) In that you Don't Know what happened on the road to Emmaus... :)
So I see you speak for the Carpenter now ?
Telling the Carpenter how it is, is a very dangerous move on your part. :o
You offer
NO "proof", referring to your above statement...
QuoteIt was not because it wasn't Jesus in his resurrection form, that they "didn't know who he was"!
I never said it was ! Your words
NOT Mine.
As I have said many times, you are
free to believe anything you like...
Your
beliefs does
NOT make your statements true or Corect.... LOL.
So you have been through the Resurrection then rdunk ?
I don't think so.... ::)
So tell me rdunk; What is the structural difference between His 2 Bodies then ? :)
And tell us All about Cleopas's, Who he was, and why his Name is
NOT on the accepted List
of Disciples ?
Your Own "Confession", saying You Don't Know !
I certainly don't know why their eyes were made to not recognize Jesus. The scripture does not say why, it simply says their eyes were "holden". As I said, only Jesus knows why their eyes were holden, and they were not able to know who he was, and then later their eyes were opened, and then they did know him. But for sure it was Jesus!
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"So I see you speak for the Carpenter now ?
Telling the Carpenter how it is, is a very dangerous move on your part".
I don't know anyone "named" the Carpenter. There is one scripture Mark 13:55 that says, "is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary, and his brethren James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
And another, Mark 6:3" Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us?' -- and they were being stumbled at him".
Yes, only one scripture refers to Jesus as the carpenter, but that is certainly not his name.
Matrix you have a very odd way of interpreting what I am saying. I in no way am trying to "speak for Jesus", and I for sure am not "telling him how it is".
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"Your beliefs does NOT make your statements true or Corect.... LOL."
I don't know what "beliefs" you are referring to. If the scripture says it, then that makes it true for me.
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"And tell us All about Cleopas's, Who he was, and why his Name is NOT on the accepted List
of Disciples" ?
Yes Matrix, sometimes we can get some of the words confused. Jesus only had 12 apostles, but he had many disciples before he was crucified. For example, there was 120 total in the upper room on the day of Pentecost. As stated in Acts 1:15
15 And in these days, Peter having risen up in the midst of the disciples, said, (the multitude also of the names at the same place was, as it were, an hundred and twenty,)
And there surely were many other of his disciples that were not in the upper room on that day!
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"So you have been through the Resurrection then rdunk ?
I don't think so.... "
Well, actually I have, according to God's Word. Not physically of course, but Jesus carried me and my sin, your sin, and the sins of all, to the cross with him, and when I/we accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, then spiritually his experience became our experience too. This will say that a lot better than I can :
Crucified With Christ – The Mystery of Our Death in Christ
Crucified with Christ? What does that really mean? "Death in Christ" is a crucial revelation that must be understood if we are ever to be free. In order to start understanding our death in Christ, read these Scriptures from Paul:
"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me" (Galatians 2:20).
"If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection. For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— because anyone who has died has been freed from sin. Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God. In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus" (Romans 6:5-11).
http://www.allaboutfollowingjesus.org/crucified-with-christ.htm (for more)
QuoteI certainly don't know why their eyes were made to not recognize Jesus. The scripture does not say why, it simply says their eyes were "holden". As I said, only Jesus knows why their eyes were holden, and they were not able to know who he was, and then later their eyes were opened, and then they did know him. But for sure it was Jesus!
So Stop
adding your misguided views to it then !
There is No need for your burble... ::)
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on May 22, 2013, 06:33:10 AM
So I see you speak for the Carpenter now ?
Telling the Carpenter how it is, is a very dangerous move on your part. :o
Although I did go through a period of having to rectify Christian theology in my own mind, and get things straight, I don't claim to know everything.
I do know, however, why I ultimately walked away from Christianity; it was ironically due to two things written in the Bible itself. One was the parable of the tree and its' fruit, and another was when John says, then you shall know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
Christianity is fundamentally a religion which is based on fear. I have never encountered an adamant Christian who does not believe that Satan rules this planet; and if they are challenged on that, they claim that the scripture itself says it. Although it was over a long period, my decision was ultimately made as a result of seeing the film
The Green Mile, and realising that I could no longer tolerate a view of reality that was based on, to quote the Salvation Army, blood and fire.
I also cannot tolerate a view of reality that Israel is at the center of. I refuse to accept the idea that every single non-Jewish human being on the face of this planet is expendable, and that the Jews are supposedly the sole ethnic group on the planet with the divine right to exist. There is no justice in that.
If I am going to Hell, then I will walk into the fire willingly, and with my eyes open. I will not resent Yahweh, but neither will I accept the paradigm...the fundamental model of reality...that has been ascribed to him. I am not Christian.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYZIWH9Apfc
This is the heart of Christianity. This is what it glorifies. I have not included a scene here of the scourging, from
The Passion of the Christ. I have not seen that film. I refuse to.
I reject Semitic monotheism; Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. I reject the inhuman, dehumanising nature of these religions. I reject their tyranny. I will scream defiance at every last Muslim on the face of this planet; they will not convert me, and they will not kill me. I reject them because the God that I know exists, has given me the inbuilt moral sensibility to know that they are
wrong.
I will not hate you, rdunk, but neither will I tolerate any more of your appeals to guilt and fear.
I am free. I have fought the supposed certainty that your kind have instilled in me, of my being condemned. I have fought the indoctrination, and the guilt, and the years of constant portrayal of me as a monster, when I was innocent. I assisted another in leaving behind the darkness that he was nearly trapped in, because of Christians.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8duFbuiWiWc
The blood haze has lifted. The demon's fire has burned out in my veins! I... have... freed... myself!I will not go back into your cage.
Quote from: undo11 on May 21, 2013, 11:22:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsyzRUKwgng
hehe
My middle name is Luke. :o
Beth, do you think God is my father?
Hi petrus,
I know exactly how you feel.
I can't Stomach these "religious Bigots", they just make me want to vomit.
So I'm not even going to bother wasting my time replying to rdunk...
He is more than welcome to believe what ever he likes.
I just get sick and tired of him trying to Ram his "beliefs" down our throats. ::)
Next he will be demanding we worship him.... LOL.
He relies on his own interpretations and his fantasies, and has NO proof to show.
I really think he is trying to convince himself...
But I trust LIFE will educate him, according to LIFE in LIFE's own time.
Hopefully he will stop judging others (NOT just me) based on his own Ignorance.
So we will just tolerate his presence for now... ;)
To be honest I find him rather amusing in strange sort of way... :)
pim
QuoteMy middle name is Luke. :o
Beth, do you think God is my father?
i'm luke's twin. well, actually i have the same birthday as the actor who plays him does, which oddly enough, was also the birthday of christopher reeves, the guy who played superman lol
anyway, regarding is god (your) father, depends on which god you mean and he's not your direct father, he's at the top of your family tree as the progenitor of homo sapiens and since you are presumably a homo sapien, then i would say the answer to that is yes but more like a great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather
Quote from: Pimander on May 21, 2013, 10:16:35 AM
Any candidate for Messiah was a threat to the Roman occupation.
At that time, who were the other candidates?
Quote
Do you really think that it was necessary to doctor the Gospels so much if it was a clear cut thing who was the man for the job? Even in the edited Gospels it is questioned whether Jesus is the Messiah.
Huh?
At that time, there was no "New Testament".
I am lost on your post as it pertained to mine.
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on May 22, 2013, 12:46:20 PM
Hi petrus,
I know exactly how you feel.
I can't Stomach these "religious Bigots", they just make me want to vomit.
So I'm not even going to bother wasting my time replying to rdunk...
He is more than welcome to believe what ever he likes.
I just get sick and tired of him trying to Ram his "beliefs" down our throats. ::)
Next he will be demanding we worship him.... LOL.
He relies on his own interpretations and his fantasies, and has NO proof to show.
I really think he is trying to convince himself...
But I trust LIFE will educate him, according to LIFE in LIFE's own time.
Hopefully he will stop judging others (NOT just me) based on his own Ignorance.
So we will just tolerate his presence for now... ;)
To be honest I find him rather amusing in strange sort of way... :)
Matrix, it is interesting that when you are shown to be wrong, that you choose to simply attack the poster with ridicule and disparaging remarks. The such like is very remindful of how some of the leftist politicians conduct their business.
Matrix, you will not be my judge in the end, and I KNOW wherein I stand with the "eternal judge" - HOW ABOUT YOU?
FWIW for all here, I am not "trying to ram my beliefs down anyone's throat", as Matrix has suggested. However, one can easily sense that to be precisely what Matrix is doing, as he over a long period does continually post HIS very different BELIEFS in the open forums, using some Biblical scripture, some non-Biblical writings, and some personal experiences and thought, and even often referring to Biblical scripture with disdain
And, when Matrix posts what most Christians would know to be errors relative to Biblical scripture, then I feel free to reply in these discussions, as I have done here. However, I will not stoop to belittling him personally, and I forgive him for belittling me. †
rdunk
QuoteFWIW for all here, I am not "trying to ram my beliefs down anyone's throat"
i agree. he's done that to me as well. i had to take a step back and realize, that arguing with tmt is best done while smiling. if he causes you to frown, time to talk to someone else, like me, for example (cheesy grin). you have to realize that he is advanced in years, suffering with poor health and has crystallized his view point. trying to debate that can only lead to your prior experience with him. there are malleable people and non-malleable people. when 2 non-malleable people collide, it just sounds like boom boom boom. hehe
be diplomatic, if possible. consider him to be on par to a wizened old man, who is just sharing what he knows and doesn't really accept other views. he's a book. if that makes sense. you read a book, you don't debate with the book or argue with the book. cause the book is crystallized ideas in written form and the words on the page are not gonna change just because you disagree.
and now for another hint that jesus and the bible, are egyptian-mesopotamian in origin, not simply mesopotamian:
book of the dead
book of life
that's classic jesus. whenever he's giving you the inside scoop, he draws direct parallels, such as his comment:
"i am not a god of the dead (osiris) but of the living"
i mean, WOW, he really laid it on the line there.
is it possible that someone changed the story of osiris, and that osiris is actually alot older than we are lead to believe, predating even the black sea flood and perhaps even the global flood ?
Quote from: undo11 on May 22, 2013, 05:54:34 PM
and now for another hint that jesus and the bible, are egyptian-mesopotamian in origin, not simply mesopotamian:
book of the dead
book of life
that's classic jesus. whenever he's giving you the inside scoop, he draws direct parallels, such as his comment:
"i am not a god of the dead (osiris) but of the living"
i mean, WOW, he really laid it on the line there.
Well I don't what goe's on here at this church but they are all about spending as much time as they can at the church, and they are Egyptians :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptic_Orthodox_Church_of_Alexandria
I live two door's up from one of their lairs :D
I should do a snoop around and find the Embryonic Lizard Tank :D
Quote from: Somamech on May 22, 2013, 06:03:33 PM
Well I don't what goe's on here at this church but they are all about spending as much time as they can at the church, and they are Egyptians :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptic_Orthodox_Church_of_Alexandria
I live two door's up from one of their lairs :D
I should do a snoop around and find the Embryonic Lizard Tank :D
oh that'd be cool. go get a news story soma!
have you ever read:
FLYING SERPENTS AND DRAGONS? you should read this page! it will knock your socks off
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/serpents_dragons/boulay00e.htm
p.s. i think the guy is wrong on several points, for example, i think the references to removing the legs from the serpent was about genetics (and perhaps had the dual meaning of a reptilian entity). what happened was the dna responsible for full body regeneration (the book of life, perhaps), was blocked from unzipping in the fall of mankind narrative. this is mirrored in the blocking of the eden gate. when portions of dna unzip, it looks like legs on a snake.
Thanks undo, for you thoughts, as we linger in this "rabbit hole"!
Of course, age is a relative thing. I remember when I was 21 years old, I had a boss/supervisor that was 30 years old, and I thought he was OLD! So, now that I am 30, ..............just kidding :) ! I have been retired for several years so I am no spring-chicken either.
I have noticed one thing about getting older - some of us get smarter as we age, especially young people, and some of us just think we get smarter. :)) For all of us, old doesn't necessarily mean wise, but for sure it does mean old!
Of course, I am looking forward to that day when time will be no more, and we will just know as we are known - and all of these aches and pains in the age of old will be gone.
Yes undo, I have watched you being given a lot of crapolla along the way too. Of course you earn some of that, as you do "draw considerably outside the lines" at times, relative to Biblical Christian thought. But I don't comment much on what you say, because I know you are still trying to come to know what is the whole truth of being a Christian. And I know, as long as you are trying, there is One to help you "get there".
Again thanks for sharing!
Hey Undo I am not sure I want enter that church apart from when they have BBQ day's :D
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/serpents_dragons/boulay00e.htm
I am not sure sure if i have read that before or not, I am seemingly at time's forgetting more than I read these days!
I never forget how ever culture had the exact same thing though in the past regarding Lizards, some good some bad!
Heck I read once (a case of not forgetting what i read) how some pretty authentic Qigong teacher in China was telling a student to let the tiger and snake fight and not to worry about them in his dream's, as that was part of learning the way. As I have no real way of knowing that is true apart from reading some respected people's comment's it does bring up some interesting concept's though in relation to lizard creatures :D
One concept is how they saw them (and this is a rash tarring of brush) as most of old culture's did actually sit down and have ceremony's which most likely allowed them to enter other realms.
I will turn myself inside out if I think too much on this :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRbd7u8wxrw
this video is explaining that the rod of asclepius (the symbol moses raised to indicate healing was provided against the seraph invasion, and which jesus referred to himself as "the serpent moses raised on a staff to bring healing to the people"
(man that is signature enki, the geneticist) was different from the cadeceus and that the cadeceus was always and only about trade and commerce. he's wrong. he doesn't realize that the dual snakes is a reference to dna. i don't care what hermeticists teach about it or what anybody else thinks it means, i think the real inside scoop is that it is an ancient reference to dna strands unzipping (thus why the serpents are not joined at the top, the thing is in the process of replicating, which = creating life.
for example, dna is dual strands (2 snakes) and mRNA (that's MESSENGER RNA -- who was the messenger? repeat after me -- hermes was the messenger, jesus was the messenger. yeah that someone made it about trade and commerce suggests a cover up of monumental proportions!) messenger RNA is 1 strand. the single serpent wrapped around the rod.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWzKxp8I-VU
oh yeah, baby!
what they are hiding is evidence that the rulers and priests, knew all this 1000s of years ago and it's right in the first book of the bible.
oh oh!
that means moses and pharaoh's magicians having dueling snake staves is possibly also a metaphor for something to do with dna and mrna. but what. . . .
*dazes off, pondering* i'll ...get back to you on that..one.
excuse me while i go penguin. hehe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB9e7qCzMY0
Undo,
You rock!
Quote from: burntheships on May 22, 2013, 07:08:49 PM
Undo,
You rock!
aww thanks bts.
i like that music video. makes me want to do a happy dance. reminds me a bit of this from the blues brothers movie. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCCd5Qh3OtQ
It took the Klingon's to make music ;D
Cool vid :D
Quote from: Somamech on May 22, 2013, 07:21:56 PM
It took the Klingon's to make music ;D
Cool vid :D
i like belushi's reaction lol
that's how i am. all somber, asking for answers, standing there waiting, and then all of the sudden poof, it comes to me in a huge chunk, like a data download. and depending on the information, it can be a rather exhilirating moment that makes me want to do something uncharacteristic like happy dancing lol hey football players can do it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_hL7tI7o1Y
I wish i was there for the happy dancing mate !
Sounds like fun ;D
This video has to be applicable, as I know the feeling from time to time LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFNLbAs3KAU
;D ;D ;D
ahh undo...the blues brothers are the best
and richard pryor in the choir cracks me up even more
now.. that's church music
thanks for todays smile
8)
salsa!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15XSbQZx_Kg
soma
that's great lol that's one happy dog. which inspired the dog salsa dancing video i postedf above.
Quote from: sky otter on May 22, 2013, 07:44:46 PM
;D ;D ;D
ahh undo...the blues brothers are the best
and richard pryor in the choir cracks me up even more
now.. that's church music
thanks for todays smile
8)
yeah lol elwood's dance was funny too but belushi just cracked me up. is pryor in the choir? i must watch again!
And oddly LOL
A video of the great actor being healed via an Asian in his closure of story LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvOBjZ-DWac
richard pryor is my sister's favorite comedian.
i like eddie murphy and tim the toolman. oh and russel peters. he addresses sensitive issues from a completely racist position and somehow makes them funny by drawing your attention to the silliness of racist stereotypes.
here he is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VELXE7xvVHo
Quote from: undo11 on May 22, 2013, 06:05:34 PM
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/serpents_dragons/boulay00e.htm
Thanks for the link Undo!
Very interesting read. So do you think some of the Gods ate humans? Have you seen any mentions of this in any ancient writings?
LSWONE.
Quote from: LSWONE on May 22, 2013, 09:52:24 PM
Thanks for the link Undo!
Very interesting read. So do you think some of the Gods ate humans? Have you seen any mentions of this in any ancient writings?
LSWONE.
man that is a big topic. if we were created as food you would think we'd know about it, enmasse, by now.
Quote from: undo11 on May 22, 2013, 10:16:54 PM
man that is a big topic. if we were created as food you would think we'd know about it, enmasse, by now.
Only if they took a few bites and one managed to run away and tell about it. This reminded me of a book mentioned written by a person formerly employed by Stark...I mean Lockheed Martin in which a boy had a pet reptile who ate flesh.
The book is called Here Comes Albert!
so many things could be construed as that, i just don't even know where to start.
about 3 years ago, a guy posted a thread on ats talking about a theory he was developing that basically stated that humans were insect food. that we are born, raised and cultivated to feed the myriad bugs, who as a hive mind, have a much greater intelligence (depending on hive size) than we give them credit for.
many bugs live off our detritus, such as dead skin cells
(mites), decaying flesh (maggots/flies), blood (mosquitos and leeches) and a few others i don't know the name of.
however, they also live off other animals, so there would be no point to create a sentient race, capable of wiping out whole colonies of said bugs, if the point of it was to feed the bugs so they don't die. so i don't think the bug theory is correct.
due to our energy fields, some believe we supply some type of energetic food for interdimensionals, such as positive and negative energy. this has a possibility, perhaps remote, but a possibility.
some think we are the suppliers of glands that are delicacies for some intergalactic races, this mostly due to the preponderance of oddly mutilated cows. i'd be more likely to believe that was occult related or even some bizaare chinese medicine. i mean some of the stuff they think have healing properties, virility properties and so on, is pretty disturbing and weird. however, i won't completely write it off, because of the huge upswing in mastectomies. i suppose it could play a role in genetic experimentation, cloning or even the human organ black market. and if we have a black market, there's always a chance some intergalactic races do as well.
one lady wrote a thread on ats, who believed reptilians were using menstrual blood components like a youth elixir. also some famous royal british guy, said the same thing. i'm not entirely convinced on that one.
etc etc.
rdunk you obviously can't stop telling lies..
You Untrue Statement a
LIE.. Quote;
QuoteMatrix, you will not be my judge in the end, and I KNOW wherein I stand with the "eternal judge" - HOW ABOUT YOU?
I never suggested I was your Judge... Sadly You are both misguided and deluded IMHO... :(
i like bill cosby too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tf1K1P2Skw
Quoteif we were created as food you would think we'd know about it, enmasse, by now.
From One of the Books of
E'NOCH... Quote;
Quote01. And all the others together with them
took unto themselves wives,
and each chose for himself one,
and they began to go in unto them
and defile themselves with them,
and they taught them charms and enchantment's,
and the cutting of roots, and made them
acquainted with plants.
2. And they became pregnant,
and they bare great giants, whose height was
Three Thousand Ells:
3. Who consumed all the acquisitions of men.
And when men could no longer sustain them,
4. The giants turned against them and devoured mankind.
05. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish,
and to devour one an others flesh, and drink the blood.
06. Then the Earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
Regarding your "below the belt
Emotional out burst" undo... a couple of pages back not worth repeating...
We won't get down in the
sewer with you, and respond to such childish behaviour.... :P
I have often agreed with you in the past...contrary to you
FALSE claim about me. :o
I guess sadly, you are just a victim of rdunk's Lies and Obsessions ?
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on May 23, 2013, 01:37:22 AM
rdunk you obviously can't stop telling lies..
You Untrue Statement a LIE.. Quote;
I never suggested I was your Judge... Sadly You are both misguided and deluded IMHO... :(
Matrix, I do apologize! I just took for granted that all of the negative things you were saying about me met the accepted definition of "judgement". -ie "misguided", "deluded", "misguided views", "burble", "religious bigot", "rather amusing", "telling lies", etc, etc,............................, and inferring directly that I am not a Christian.
I am sorry, as I suppose I just don't know what "judging" really means then. :o :o
tmt
Quote4. The giants turned against them and devoured mankind.
i was aware of that one, but not sure who it applies since there's argument over whether they were actually giant, or perhaps left over info from dinosaur times or what. no one is sure, everyone guesses.
rdunk
did you watch that bill cosby video i posted on the previous page? that is the cutest thing. he's awesome.
could it be a reference to the titans???
Quote from: rdunk on May 23, 2013, 03:07:54 AM
Matrix, I do apologize! I just took for granted that all of the negative things you were saying about me met the accepted definition of "judgement". -ie "misguided", "deluded", "misguided views", "burble", "religious bigot", "rather amusing", "telling lies", etc, etc,............................, and inferring directly that I am not a Christian.
I am sorry, as I suppose I just don't know what "judging" really means then. :o :o
I will say it again going by your comments you have
NOT convinced me you are a Christian....
In fact your Comments display quite the "Opposite" IMHO ! That's right the Opposite. ::)
I would
NOT consider you to be the best of ambassadors for your "religious Sect".
But then again, it depends on the Sect you represent doesn't it ?
The name, Charles Manson and Waco come to mind, when I read your comments.
I sincerely hope you aren't one of his followers ... :(
further thoughts on the giants thing:
(this thread is like a stream of consciousness. it's been all over the place)
the references in enoch before the giants comment, claims 200 watchers landed on mt hermon, then impregnated human women, who gave birth to giants. those are the giants who it says consumed humans as a food source. i have this information as part of my ebook series on star gates. this is the problem with that:
we have no idea if they correctly translated the text because they claimed the giants were an impossible size. to move and survive in this planet's gravity they would need some kind of technology (remember these are the offspring of the watchers and humans, not the actual watchers).
the only 2 things that i can think of to explain it is, 1) they were referring to their transportation being that big, not their actual bodies. i mean even their hearts would have trouble pumping their blood through their bodies. that's one of the main things that kill exceedingly tall people -- their hearts wear out. or 2) the planet wasn't as big, per neal adams theory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJfBSc6e7QQ
in which case, they could, just as the dinosaurs did, move about freely. but that would mean the planet has grown since the last flood OR the giants and flood story is from before the ice age global flood . and if that's the case, we're right back to the possibility it is referring to dinosaurs. and one last possibility that i can think of off the top of my head -- it didn't happen on this planet. when the hebrews said earth, they didn't necessarily mean the planet earth. they could mean dry ground on any planet/moon.
Quote from: undo11 on May 23, 2013, 03:34:39 AM
rdunk
did you watch that bill cosby video i posted on the previous page? that is the cutest thing. he's awesome.
Hey undo! Yes, I have started watching it, but had to stop at about 17 minutes. For sure I will get back to it. I don't much care for some of his politics, but he really is one great stand-up comedian! His depictions of the various drunks is just about priceless!!!
I also have started watching again, the pyramid video, that you have posted again. I know that the video must be doctored, but that UFO in it still looks as real as it did the last time I watched it. The last time I watched it, i even stopped the video and took several screenshots of the UFO. Of course, the UFO comes up when he is talking about not always believing what you see, sooooooooooooo, pretty much assures they planted the UFO too.
rdunk
yeah i don't think that's a legit ufo, and i don't think it was meant to be a legit ufo, but i could be wrong. what i found interesting about the video is the amount of educated professionals involved in the process of trying to figure it out and some of the theories and evidences they come up with are pretty amazing.
like the machinist who realized the face on the statue in the video was identical on both sides.
the stones that fit together like jigsaw puzzles creating earthquake proof structures without mortar (relying on mortar for monuments you want to last a long time, would be a bad idea as it would just crack and rot and the thing would fall down).
cutting the stones so that they form the same basic puzzle shapes for opposing walls and so on. amazing video.
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on May 23, 2013, 04:31:29 AM
I will say it again going by your comments you have NOT convinced me you are a Christian....
In fact your Comments display quite the "Opposite" IMHO ! That's right the Opposite. ::)
I would NOT consider you to be the best of ambassadors for your "religious Sect".
But then again, it depends on the Sect you represent doesn't it ?
The name, Charles Manson and Waco come to mind, when I read your comments.
I sincerely hope you aren't one of his followers ... :(
Matrix, i am amazed that you continue to stay so far from the truth in your comments about me. But, just know that is ok by me. I am for sure not bothered when you question or run me down.
I am somewhat bothered when you say deleterious things about my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, but then, He is able to take care of himself, as he has much experience in being ridiculed. He handled satan easily when He walked this Earth, so I believe that He can handle anyone and anything. ;)
Yes undo, when I watched it last year (I think) after you posted it here, I recall seeing a lot of different presentations of very unusual stuff that would have required far more capability than is known to have existed during that ancient time.
Is this the video where the contractor talks about the impossibility of construction today in duplicating the "squareness tolerances" of the great pyramid? Or is that another video?
Quote from: rdunk on May 23, 2013, 06:36:47 AM
Yes undo, when I watched it last year (I think) after you posted it here, I recall seeing a lot of different presentations of very unusual stuff that would have required far more capability than is known to have existed during that ancient time.
Is this the video where the contractor talks about the impossibility of construction today in duplicating the "squareness tolerances" of the great pyramid? Or is that another video?
i dunno. i know some guy explains the mathematics behind the great pyramid, like the golden number and so forth. shows and talks about the cap stone of a nearby pyramid being the based on the meter, then shows how somebody took it away and replaced it with something totally different. talks about easter island's quarry being quite similar to the egyptian one and the method's used to quarry the stone looking similar. the theory the great pyramid or just giza in general, was like the central axis for a series of megalithic sites all over the world. discusses a tv show that tried to duplicate the building process. compares techniques between various megalithic structures. the earthquake proof features of many of these old monuments. does any of this sound familar
i always wondered if the "four corners of the world"meant the pyramid was one corner and other pyramids around the world would make up the other corners.but with plate movement they are now off.maybe even a cube design with eight actual pyramids.one on each corner of the planet.
QuoteI am somewhat bothered when you say deleterious things about my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, but then, He is able to take care of himself, as he has much experience in being ridiculed. He handled satan easily when He walked this Earth, so I believe that He can handle anyone and anything.
Please Grow up and get yourself a life... ::)
Quote from: robomont on May 23, 2013, 07:17:48 AM
i always wondered if the "four corners of the world"meant the pyramid was one corner and other pyramids around the world would make up the other corners.but with plate movement they are now off.maybe even a cube design with eight actual pyramids.one on each corner of the planet.
well if the great pyramid is a scale model of the earth, then its four corners might be what it's talking about
QuoteQuote from: robomont on May 22, 2013, 11:17:48 PM
i always wondered if the "four corners of the world"meant the pyramid was one corner and other pyramids around the world would make up the other corners.but with plate movement they are now off.maybe even a cube design with eight actual pyramids.one on each corner of the planet.
In 1952 a satellite calculated the Earths land masses for the Geophysical Year. It was discovered that when the land masses were subdivided into 4 equal portions (quartered) that the GP was on one of the intersection points
The problem with the intrarweb is old research disappears and is forgotten or buried in other carps :D
(http://prophecyanalysis.org/images/LowerEgyptGeogCenterSm.jpg)
The Great Pyramid was placed in the exact center of all the land area of the world. Lines drawn through the north-south and east-west axis of the Pyramid divide equally the earth's terrain. The north-south axis (30° 9' meridian east of Greenwich) is the longest land meridian, and the east-west axis (29° 58' 51" north), the longest land parallel.I had the satellite data somewhere in my files... will have to dig it up again
Quote from: undo11 on May 23, 2013, 06:01:21 AM
we have no idea if they correctly translated the text because they claimed the giants were an impossible size. to move and survive in this planet's gravity they would need some kind of technology (remember these are the offspring of the watchers and humans, not the actual watchers).
Well scientists tell us the Brontosaurus is impossible too... an d then they found that one in Utah 6 times bigger and they discovered it was able to carry its tail in the air not drag it on the ground
Maybe gravity was different back then :D
On a different note I think it might be likely that the Schumann Resonance was also different and that might account for the old men in the bible :D
QuoteMaybe gravity was different back then :D
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GRACE/page3.php
QuoteThe Earth's gravity signal changes day-to-day, even minute by minute.
The image above shows how the average variability in Earth's gravity field in August 2002 compared to the yearly average of 2001.
The red and pink areas show where the variation measured in August 2002 is the most different from the variation measured for the year 2001, while the blue and purple areas show where the variation measured in August 2002 is just about the same as the variation measured for the year 2001.
The variability has to be accounted for using models in order to produce a mean gravity field that is useful for hydrologic applications. (Image credit: Paul Thompson / UT-CSR)
So does Gravity change through History ?
It would appear so Z.... :D
Quote from: undo11 on May 23, 2013, 06:15:08 AM
rdunk
yeah i don't think that's a legit ufo, and i don't think it was meant to be a legit ufo, but i could be wrong. what i found interesting about the video is the amount of educated professionals involved in the process of trying to figure it out and some of the theories and evidences they come up with are pretty amazing.
like the machinist who realized the face on the statue in the video was identical on both sides.
the stones that fit together like jigsaw puzzles creating earthquake proof structures without mortar (relying on mortar for monuments you want to last a long time, would be a bad idea as it would just crack and rot and the thing would fall down).
cutting the stones so that they form the same basic puzzle shapes for opposing walls and so on. amazing video.
Pretty please Undo........can you point me in the direction of this video :)
looked back every page and i dont see it here.
here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJy4w_h8zp8
Quote from: zorgon on May 23, 2013, 10:19:03 PM
Well scientists tell us the Brontosaurus is impossible too... an d then they found that one in Utah 6 times bigger and they discovered it was able to carry its tail in the air not drag it on the ground
Sorry, but the Brontosaurus was a fake.
The head of another dinosaur was placed on another body, and the fakery went unnoticed for years, because Science is infallible, right? :P
Quote
Maybe gravity was different back then :D
Which would necessitate that the size of the Earth was smaller, and that matter would have different properties (might explain how ancient man cut stone like cheese!).
QuoteOn a different note I think it might be likely that the Schumann Resonance was also different and that might account for the old men in the bible :D
Exactly! The Schumann Resonance is a spherical harmonic of the sphere we call the Earth, and changing the size of the sphere would change the aforementioned Schumann Resonance! Interesting that it could be tied into to the longevity of humans. ;D