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Title: Discovering John Lear
Post by: A51Watcher on November 06, 2011, 07:41:25 AM
For those unfamiliar with who John Lear is and want to know more, and for even those who are, this is how I discovered him in the early days.


My first exposure to John Lear came in 1988 when I was browsing a BBS system in the pre- internet days (via my blazing 300 baud modem) and downloaded a new file called -

'The Lear Hypothesis' -

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The following statement is a "working hypothesis" written by John Lear on December 29, 1987 and revised on January 14 and again in March. This revision is dated August 25, 1988 .

John Lear is a Lockheed L-1011 captain for a major US airline and has flown over 160 different types of aircraft in over 50 different countries. He holds 17 world speed records in the Lear Jet and is the only pilot ever to hold every airman certificate Issued by the Federal Aviation Administration. Mr. Lear has flown missions worldwide for the CIA and other government agencies. A former Nevada State Senator candidate, he is the son of William P. Lear, designer of the Lear Jet, the 8-track stereo and founder of Lear Siegler Corp. Lear became interested in UFO's in the summer of 1986 after talking with United States Air Force personnel who had witnessed a UFO landing at Bentwaters AFB, near London, England, and three small aliens walking up to Wing Commander Gen. Gordon Williams.

Michael Corbin, August 25, 1988



THE UFO COVER-UP by John Lear

The sun does not revolve around the earth.

The United States government has been in business with little gray extraterrestrials for about 20 years.

The first truth stated hero got Giordano Bruno burned at the stake in 1600 for daring to propose that it was real. The second truth has gotten far more people killed trying to state it publicly than will ever be known.

But the truth must be told. The fact that the earth revolves around the sun was successfully suppressed by the church for over 200 years. It eventually caused major upheaval in the church, government and thought. A realignment of social and traditional values. That was in the 1800's.

Now, about 400 years after the first truth was pronounced we must again face the shocking facts. The horrible truth; the government has been hiding from us over 40 years. Unfortunately "the horrible truth" is far more horrible than the government ever imagined.

In its effort to protect democracy our government sold us to the aliens. And here is how it happened. But before I begin I'd like to offer a word in the defense of those who bargained us away. They had the best of intentions .

Germany may have recovered a flying saucer in 1939 . General James H. Doolittle went to Sweden in 1946 to investigate report of 'ghost rockets' UFO's 1000's of which had been sighted over a 7 month period.

The "horrible truth was known by only a very few persons. they were indeed ugly little creatures, Shaped like praying mantises and who were more advanced than us by perhaps as much as a billion years. Of the original group that were the first to learn "the horrible truth" several committed suicide, the most prominent of which was Defense secretary James V. Forrestal who jumped to his death from a 16th story hospltal wlndow . Secy. Forrestal's medical records are sealed to this day.

President Truman qulckly put a lid on the secret and turned the screws so tight that the general public still think that flying saucers are a joke. Have- I ever got a surprise for them.

In 1947 President Truman established a group of 12 top military and scientific personnel of their time . They were known as MJ-12 . Although the group exists today, none of the original members are still alive. The last one to die was Gordon Gray, former Secretary of the Army, in l984. As each member passed away, the group itself appointed a new member to fill the position. There is some speculation that the group known as MJ-12 expanded to at least several more members.

There were several more saucer crashes in the late 1940's, one ln Roswell, New Mexico, one in Aztec, New Mexico and one near Loredo, Texas, about 30 miles inside the Mexican border.

Consider if you will the position of the United States government at that tame. They proudly thought of themselves the most powerful nation on earth having recently produced the atomic bomb, an achievement so stupendous that it would take Russians 4 years to catch up and only with the help traitors to democracy. They had built a jet aircraft that had exceeded the speed of sound in flight. They had bullet jet bombers with intercontinental range that could carry weapons of enormous destruction. The cold war had brought economic prosperity and the future- seemed bright. Now imagine what lt was like for those men. Orson Wells radio broadcast of The War of the Worlds" in 1938. Thousands of Americans panicked at a realistically presented invasion of earth of beings from another planet. Imagine their horror as they actually viewed the dead bodies of those frightening looking little creatures with enormous eyes, reptilian skin and claw like fingers. Imagine their shock as they attempted to determine how these strange saucers were powered and could discover no part even remotely similar to components they were familiar with no cylinders or pistons, no vacuum tubes or turbines, The stories are legendary on transporting crashed saucers over long distances, moving only at night, purchasing complete farms, slashing through forests, blocking major highways, sometimes driving 2 and 3 lo-boys in tandem with an extraterrestrial load a hundred feet in diameter

On April 25, 1964, the first official communication between these aliens and the U S Government took place at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico 3 saucers landed at a pre-arranged area and a meeting was held between the aliens and intelligence officers of the U S Government

During the late 60's or early 70's MJ-12 representing the U.S. Government made a deal with those creatures called EBE's (extra-terrestrial biological entities, named by Detley Bronk,origlnal MJ-12 member and 6th president of Johns Hopklns University) The 'deal' was that in exchange for 'technology' that they would provide to us we agreed to 'ignore' the abductions that were going on and suppress information on the cattle mutilations The EBE's assured MJ-12 that the abductions (usually lasting about 2 hours) were merely the ongoing monitoring of developing civilizations

In fact, the purposes for the abductions turned out to be

(1) Insertion of 3 mm spherical device through the nasal cavity of the abductee into the brain. The device is used for the biological monitoring, tracking and control of the abductee. (2) Implementation of post hypnotic suggestion to carry out a specific activity during a specific tame period, the actuation of which wall occur within the next 2 to 5 years

(3) Termination of some people so that they could function as living sources for biological material and substances

(4) Termination of individuals who represent a threat to the continuation of their activity.

(5) Effect genetic engineering experiments.

(6) Impregnation of human females and early termination of pregnancies to procure the crossbred infant.

The U.S. Government was not aware of the far reaching consequences of their deal. They were lead to believe that the abductions were essentially benign and since they figured the abductions would probably go on anyway whether or not they agreed, they merely insisted that a current list of abductees be submitted, on a periodic basis to MJ-12 and the National Security Council. Does this sound incredible ? An actual list of abductions to the National Security Council? Reed on, because I have news for you

The EBE's have a genetic disorder in that their digestive system is atrophied and not functional Some speculate that they were involved in some type of accident or nuclear war, or possibly on the back side of an evolutionary genetic curve. In order to sustain themselves they use an enzyme or hormonal secretion obtained from the tissue that they extract from humans and animals. (Note: cows and humans are genetically similar. In the event of a national disaster cow hemoglobin can be used by humans.)

The secretions obtained are then mixed with hydrogen peroxide and applied on the skin by spreading or dipping part of their bodies in the solution. The body absorbs the solution then excretes the waste back through the skin. The cattle mutilations that were prevalent throughout the period from 1973 to 1983 and publicly noted through newspaper and magazine stories and included a documentary produced by Linda Howe for the Denver CBS affiliate , were for the collection of those tissues by the aliens. The mutilations included genitals taken, rectums cored out to the colon, eyes, tongue and throat all surgically removed with extreme precision. In some cases the incisions were made by cutting between the cells, a process we are not yet capable of performing in the field. In many of the mutilations there was no blood found at all in the carcass, yet there was no vascular collapse of the internal organs. This has been also noted in the human mutilations, one of which was Sgt. Jonathan P. Louotte at the White Sands Missile Test Range in 1956 who was found three days after on Air Force Major had witnessed his abduction by a 'disk shaped' object at 0300 while on a search for missile debris downrange. His genitals had been removed, rectum cored out in a surgically precise 'plug' up to the colon, eyes removed and all blood removed with again, no vascular collapse. >From some of the evidence lt. is apparent that this surgery is accomplished in most cases while the victim, animal or human is still alive.

The various parts of the body are taken to various underground laboratories one of which is known to be near the small New Mexico town of Dulce. This jointly occupied (CIA-alien) facility has been described as enormous with huge tiled walls that 'go on forever'. Witnesses have reported huge vats filled with an amber liquid with parts of human bodies being stirred inside.

After the initial agreement, Groom Lake, one of this nation's most secret test centers,was closed for a period of about a year sometime between 1972 and 1974, and a huge underground facility constructed for and with the help of the EBE's. The bargained for technology was set in place but could only be operated by the EBE's themselves. Needless to say, the advanced technology could not be used against the EBE's themselves in case of need.

During the period between 1979 and 1983 lt became increasingly obvious to MJ-12 that things were not going as planned. It became known that many more people in the thousands) were being abducted than were listed on the official abduction lists. In addition it became obvious that some, not all, but some of the nations missing children had been used for secretions and other parts required by the aliens.

According to some, there was an altercation between the U.S. military and the aliens at the Dulce laboratory. A special armed forces unit was called in to try and free a number of our people trapped in the facility who had become aware of what was really going on. According to one source 66 of the soldiers were killed in the effort and our people were not freed.

By 1983, MJ-12 must have been in stark terror at the mistake they had made in dealing with the EBE's. They had subtly influenced through Dr. Hynek, formerly with the Blue Book project, who had allegedly broken ties with the Air Force in the late 60's but who in reality continued to be their informant in his cover capacity of Director of the Center for UFO Studies) "Close Encounters of the Third kind" and "E.T." (now admitted by some members of MJ-12 to have been a 'drastic mistake') to get the public used to "odd looking" aliens that were compassionate, benevolent and very much our "space brothers". MJ-12 had, in effect, 'sold' the EBE's to the public, and were now faced with the fact that quite the opposite was true. In addition, a plan had been formulated in 1968 to make the public aware of the existence of aliens on earth over the next 20 years to be culminated with several documentaries to be released during the 1985-1987 period of tame. These documentaries would explain the history and intentions of the EBE's . The discovery of the "Grand Deception" put the entire plans, hopes and dreams of MJ-12 into utter confusion and panic.

Meeting at the "Country Club", a remote lodge with private golf course, comfort- able sleeping and working quarters and its own private airstrip bullet by and ex- exclusively for the members of MJ-12, lt. was a factional fight of what to do now. Part of MJ-12, which had now become military top-heavy, wanted to confess the whole scheme and shambles lt. had become to the public, beg their forgiveness and ask for their support. The other part (and majority) of MJ-12 argued that there was no way they could do that, that the situation was untenable and there was no use in exciting the public with the 'horrible truth' and that the best plan was to continue the development of a weapon or plan of containment' that could be used against the EBE's under the guise of "SDI" the so-called Strategic Defense Initiative which had nothing whatever to do with a defense for inbound Russian nuclear missiles. In fact, the real definition of purpose for SDI reads " The plotting, tracking and acquisition of articles in deep space." As these words are being written, Dr. Edward Teller, 'father' of the H-bomb is personally in the nuclear test tunnels of the Nevada Test Site, driving his workers and associates in the words of one, 'like a man possessed'. And well he should be for Dr. Teller is a member of MJ-12 along with Dr. Kissinger, Admiral Tobby Inman, General Lew Allen to name a few members of MJ-12.

Before the "Grand Deception" was discovered and according to a meticulous plan of release of information to the public, several documentaries and video tapes were made. William Moore, a Burbank, California based UFO researcher who wrote "The Roswell Incident a book published in 1980 that detailed the crash, recovery and subsequent cover-up of a UFO with 4 alien bodies has a video tape of 2 newsman interviewing a military officer associated with MJ-12. This military officer answers questions relating to the history of MJ-12 ant the cover-up, the recovery of a number of flying saucers ant the existence of a live alien (one of 3 living aliens captured and designated or named EBE-l, EBE-2 and EBE-3 being held in a facility designated as YY-II at Los Alamos, New Mexico. The only other facility of this type, which is electromagnetically secure, is at Edwards Air Force Base in Mohave, California). The officer names names as previously mentioned plus a few others: Harolt Brown, Richard Helms, Gen. Vernon Walters, Dr. Lew Allen and Dr. Theodore von Karman to name a few of the current and past members of MJ- 1 2 .

The officer also relates the fact that the EBE's claim to have created Christ. The EBE's have a type of recording device that has recorded all of earth's history and can display it in the form of a hologram. This hologram can be filmed but because of the way holograms work does not come out very clear on movie film or video tape. The crucifixion of Christ on the Mount of Olives has allegedly been put on film to show the public. The EBE's claim to have created Christ, which, in view of the "Grand Deception" could be on effort to disrupt traditional values for un- determined reasons.

Another video tape allegedly in existence is an interview with an EBE. Since EBE's communicate telepathically an Air Force colonel serves as an interpreter. Just before the recent stock market crash several newsmen including Bill Moore had been invited to Washington, D.C. to personally film the EBE in a similar type interview and distribute the film to the public. Apparently, because of the market crash, it was felt the timing was not propitious. In any case it certainly seems like an odd method to inform the public of extraterrestrials, but it would be in keeping with the actions of a panicked organization who at this point in time didn't know which way to turn.

Moore is also in possession of more Aquarius documents a few pages of which leaked out several years ago and detailed the supersecret NSA project which had been denied by them until just recently. In a letter to Senator John Glenn NSA's Director of Policy Julia B. Wetzel wrote, "Apparently there is or was an Air Force project by that name Aquarius) which dealt with UFO's. Coincidentally, there is also an NSA project by that name." NSA's project Aquarius deals specifically with the 'communications with aliens' (the EBE's). Within the Aquarius program was project 'Snowbird' a project to test fly A recovered alien aircraft at Groom Lake, Nevada. This project continues today at that location. In the words of an individual who works at Groom Lake 'our people are much better at taking things apart than they are at putting them back together'. Another saw a saucer being trucked into the Nevada Test Site in March of 1988. Still another informant witnessed a saucer being buried at that location (for God knows whatever reason) during the second week of August 1988.


If the government felt they were being forced to acknowledge the existence of aliens on earth because of the overwhelming evidence such as the Hudson Valley sightings during the past 4 years, the Wythevllle, Va. sightings in October and November of 1987, the Gulf Breeze, Florlda sightings in which documentary evidence in the form of stereoscopic photographs and video tape were taken between November of 1987 and May of l988, the Lake Superior sightings of 1987 and the sightings in and around Las Vegas, Nevada and the Nevada Test Site, and taking into consideration the "Grand Deception" and obviously hostile intent of the EBE's it might be expedient for MJ-12 to admit to the EBE's but conceal the information on the mutilations and abductions of humans and animals.

The enormity of the problem must be driving more than a few 'at the top' to drink. But what about the rest of us? Most of those reporting sightings are being viciously ridiculed by government sponsored 'debunkers' such as Philip Klass, former Avionics editor for Aviation Week and Space Technology, NASA scientist James Oberg and a host of others. When the truth does emerge, fl lt. ever does, how is this shabby, dishonest treatment of totally sane, normal and patriotic citizens going to be justified ?

Now you ask, "Why haven't I heard about any of this?" Who do you think you would hear it from? Dan Rather? Tom Brokaw? Sam Donaldson? Wrong. These people just read the news. They don't find lt. They have ladies that call and interview witnesses and verify statements on stories coming over the wire either AP or UPI. It's not like Dan Rather would go down to Wytheville, Virginia and dig into why there were 4000 reports of sightings in October and November of 1987. Better that Tom Brokaw or someone else should risk their credibility on this type of story. Tom Brokaw ? Tom wants Sam Donaldson to risk his credibility. No one. ..but no one is going to risk their reputation on such outlandish ideas regardless of how many people report sightings of 900 foot objects running them off the road. In the case of the Wythevllle, VA. sightings,dozens of vans with NASA lettered on the side failed to interest newsmen. And those that asked questions were informed that NASA was doing a weather survey.

Well then you ask what about our scientists...what about Carl Sagan? Isaac Asimov? Arthur C. Clarke? Wouldn't they have known? If Carl Sagan knows, then he is committing a great fraud through the solicitation of memberships in the Planetary Society, 'to search for extraterrestrial intelligence'. Another charade into which the U.S. Government dumps millions of dollars every year is the radiotelescope in Arecibo, Puerto Rico operated by Cornell University with, guess who, Carl Sagan. Cornell University is ostensibly searching for signals from outer space, a sign maybe, that somebody is out there. Its hard to believe that relatively intelligent astronomers like Sagan could be so stupid.

What about Isaac Asimov? Surely the most prolific science fiction writer of all time would have guessed by now that there must be an enormous cover-up. One current hypothesis is that, on the available evidence, it appears that the EBE's are trying to regenerate their own species at our expense. They have apparently suffered either some kind of nuclear holocaust or they may be on the back side of a bell-shaped evolutionary curve where in essence they are 'devolving' instead of evolving. In any case, according to several autopsies of aliens that have leaked out, the EBE's have an atrophied digestive system and other physical problems. This would account for their attempts to cross- breed with us as outlined in 'Intruders' by Budd Hopkins (a detailed study of an Indianapolis woman who, over several years produces 7 cross-breed alien children none of whom she was allowed to keep. Not that she wanted to.)

Whatever the answer these facts are indisputable. The extent and number of persons reported missing every year is a closely guarded government secret. (Since 1980 at least 20,000 children have been reported missing each year.) Cattle mutilations (over 14,000 since 1973) are regarded officially by the government as 'a hoax'. Human abductions are officially regarded by the government as a 'hoax' . The latest polls show that 88% of all Americans believe that intelligent life on other planets is probable and that over 20 million Americans have seen what they believed to be a UFO. But the U.S. Government officially dismisses 'flying saucers' as a 'hoax'. What do you think?

The best advice I can give you is next time you see a flying saucer and are awed by its obvious display of technology and gorgeous lights of pure color:

RUN LIKE HELL


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Title: Re: Discovering John Lear
Post by: Linda Brown on November 06, 2011, 05:10:03 PM
John and members,

Thats basically the message that you left me with when I called to discuss certain things with you in the early nineties... actually it was more.... " pull a blanket over your head because its all over now but the whimpering."

I need to clarify some of the things that you said to me during that phone call because I am not sure now if you were being dead serious of course or just pulling my leg somehow. I had introduced myself so you knew that my Dad was Townsend Brown. You also knew that my Dad and yours had a very close and long ranging relationship for many years. I was shocked at one point when you outright said to me that it was my Dads " fault" for " opening that portal". Did you blame your Dad for that too?

Now in the years since in a conversation with Paul Schatzkin you denied saying that to me...stating that I must have " misunderstood" .... that it was unlike you to lay any blame on any one like that.

So the question I have for you now is. Did I misunderstand you? Were you just " pulling my leg"? or did you in fact mean every word of what you said?

I have to credit you if that is the case for years and years of research on my part since then... to somehow " Prove you wrong". If it was a joke then it was a Cosmic Haha on both of us because it has worked out positively..... I hope.... for both of us.

My very best.    Linda
Title: Re: Discovering John Lear
Post by: A51Watcher on November 06, 2011, 05:10:35 PM
I find 2 items of special interest in the above document from John:

A)
Quote... After the initial agreement, Groom Lake, one of this nation's most secret test centers,was closed for a period of about a year sometime between 1972 and 1974, and a huge underground facility constructed for and with the help of the EBE's.

This is the first public mention of Groom Lake in UFO Literature I am aware of.


B)
Quote" ... The officer also relates the fact that the EBE's claim to have created Christ. The EBE's have a type of recording device that has recorded all of earth's history and can display it in the form of a hologram."

I believe the TV special 'UFO Coverup Live' was the first to mention the aliens possessed a crystal that displayed moving images, but this not only goes into more detail, but it is the first public mention of their claims of creating Christ in UFO Literature I am aware of.

Bob Lazar revealed reading accounts of both of the above items in a briefing room at S4.


As you can see -

John revealed these items on August 1988.

Bob first went to work at S4 in December 1988.


That certainly provides an answer as to why those in charge of the S4 project would be interested in spying on John, as mentioned in the Grant Cameron article he recently posted.

He obviously had contacts providing him with inside information, and they wanted to find out who it was and how much he had learned.

(So who was it anyway John?)  ;)

Title: Re: Discovering John Lear
Post by: johnlear on November 06, 2011, 07:41:59 PM
Quote from: Linda Brown on November 06, 2011, 05:10:03 PM
John and members,

Thats basically the message that you left me with when I called to discuss certain things with you in the early nineties... actually it was more.... " pull a blanket over your head because its all over now but the whimpering."

I need to clarify some of the things that you said to me during that phone call because I am not sure now if you were being dead serious of course or just pulling my leg somehow. I had introduced myself so you knew that my Dad was Townsend Brown. You also knew that my Dad and yours had a very close and long ranging relationship for many years. I was shocked at one point when you outright said to me that it was my Dads " fault" for " opening that portal". Did you blame your Dad for that too?

Now in the years since in a conversation with Paul Schatzkin you denied saying that to me...stating that I must have " misunderstood" .... that it was unlike you to lay any blame on any one like that.

So the question I have for you now is. Did I misunderstand you? Were you just " pulling my leg"? or did you in fact mean every word of what you said?

I have to credit you if that is the case for years and years of research on my part since then... to somehow " Prove you wrong". If it was a joke then it was a Cosmic Haha on both of us because it has worked out positively..... I hope.... for both of us.

My very best.    Linda


Hello Linda,

Welcome  aboard. If I said that 'It was your Dad's fault for opening a portal' I have not the slightest memory of that.

Something similar happened to me about 2 years ago when Linda Howe said in an interview that she and I had visited 'Condor' together in Albuquerque. Condors name was Bob Collins.

Linda would not have made that statement unless it was true but I have no recollection of that 2 hours meeting. None.

Same with 'It was your Dad's fault for opening the portal'. Not the slightest memory.

I have obviously been a victim of some kind of mind control.

All the best,

John
Title: Re: Discovering John Lear
Post by: Linda Brown on November 07, 2011, 02:09:34 AM
John,

Thank you for your response.

One of my Forum members sent a message to us but they were really questions for you. I have included the link to his message and I hope that you might find the time to look it over. There is a picture there of a gentleman that he hopes you will remember and I think he is hoping perhaps that you might remember him too.

http://cosmic-token.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3432#p3432

This thing about Mind control has been a hot subject with us on the Token for quite a long time and it would not surprise me that you have large sections of your memory wiped relatively clean. Do you have any speculations about how this has occurred to you and when it started?.

I have said to Zorgon that we probably have all of the information we need to solve many of the mysteries in our lives...and you and I know there is a mountainful. its just that we need to identify and then carefully connect the dots.

The picture and message from Trickfox might yeild amazing results.   Thank you ahead of time... Linda
Title: Re: Discovering John Lear
Post by: Darth Yudas on November 19, 2011, 02:01:58 AM
Quote from: Linda Brown on November 06, 2011, 05:10:03 PM
I had introduced myself so you knew that my Dad was Townsend Brown.

This Townsend Brown?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Townsend_Brown

Quote from: Linda Brown on November 06, 2011, 05:10:03 PMI was shocked at one point when you outright said to me that it was my Dads " fault" for " opening that portal".

What portal?  What exactly is the portal??
Title: Re: Discovering John Lear
Post by: Pimander on January 08, 2012, 07:07:04 PM
The portal is probably a reference to the Philadelphia Experiment.  I have barely scratched the surface with this one.  I read about this so long ago I can't remember much about it but....

I think that somebody claims that they saw something resembling a grey sat at a console somewhere through a "portal".  A51Watcher may have more information on this as I think he reminded me.

Come on you lot, some of you are more familiar with this material than I am.
Title: Re: Discovering John Lear
Post by: Captain Dave on January 08, 2012, 09:48:43 PM
Well, if "they" can travel back and forth throughout time then I suppose "video taping" anyone - including Jesus wouldn't be a problem.

If "they" are having problems with biological functions, they should have just asked for help - ya never know, the solution could come from anyone - even a sculptor. lol

If it is true that "matter" is recycled throughout all of time, then we have all been many things and will be many more - I wonder if Atoms  have "memory" like the genetic coding within DNA...

I used to worry about how to create World Peace... Guess "Universal Peace" would be more appropriate.  :) Can't we all just get along?

Billions of years old or not, Everything has a creator. Who in the whole Universe created themself from nothing?



( I used to run a BBS too, but I had a smokin 1200/2400 baud modulator/demodulator. haha )



Title: Re: Discovering John Lear
Post by: starwarp2000 on January 08, 2012, 10:18:24 PM
Quote from: Pimander on January 08, 2012, 07:07:04 PM
The portal is probably a reference to the Philadelphia Experiment.  I have barely scratched the surface with this one.  I read about this so long ago I can't remember much about it but....

I think that somebody claims that they saw something resembling a grey sat at a console somewhere through a "portal".  A51Watcher may have more information on this as I think he reminded me.

Come on you lot, some of you are more familiar with this material than I am.

Or maybe even a reference to 'Montauk'!

A careful study of either Al Bielek or Preston Nichols books may supply the answer.  :)
Title: Re: Discovering John Lear
Post by: starwarp2000 on January 09, 2012, 12:32:44 AM
Quote from: Pimander on January 08, 2012, 10:34:31 PM
Can anyone summarise the significance of this material for everyone reading this please?

Without being long winded?  ::)



Experiments began in earnest in the early 1970s and during this time one, some or all of the following are claimed to have occurred at the site:

    * The facility was expanded to as many as twelve levels and several hundred workers, without anyone in the town noticing the tons of building materials or hundreds of workers required. Some reports have the facility extending under the town of Montauk itself.
    * Homeless people were abducted and subjected to huge amounts of electromagnetic radiation. Few survived.
    * People had their psychic abilities enhanced to the point where they could materialize objects out of thin air. Stewart Swerdlow claims to have been involved in the Montauk Project, and as a result, he says, his "psionic" faculties were boosted, but at the cost of emotional instability, post-traumatic stress disorder, and other issues.
    * Experiments were conducted in teleportation.
    * A "porthole in time" was created which allowed researchers to travel anywhere in time or space. This was developed into a stable "Time Tunnel".
    * Contact was made with alien extraterrestrials through the Time Tunnel and technology was exchanged with them which enhanced the project. This allowed broader access to "hyperspace".
    * An alien monster traveled through the time tunnel, destroyed equipment and devoured researchers. The tunnel was shut down and the creature destroyed.
    * Mind control experiments were conducted and runaway boys were abducted and brought out to the base where they underwent excruciating periods of both physical and mental torture in order to break their minds, then their minds were re-programmed. Many were supposedly killed during the process and buried on the site.
    * On or about on August 12, 1983 the time travel project at Camp Hero interlocked in hyperspace with the original Rainbow Project back in 1943. The USS Eldridge was drawn into hyperspace and trapped there. Two men, Al Bielek and Duncan Cameron both claim to have leaped from the deck of the Eldridge while it was in hyperspace and ended up after a period of severe disorientation at Camp Hero in the year 1983. Here they claim to have met John von Neumann, a famous physicist and mathematician, even though he was known to have died in 1957. Von Neumann had supposedly worked on the original Philadelphia Experiment, but the U.S. Navy denies this.
    * Staff from the Camp Hero site traveled to the USS Eldridge and shut down the generators, causing the ship to return to Philadelphia naval yard in 1943 and causing the time tunnel to collapse.
    * Metahumans and experiments in special serums to create such individuals were tested there.
    * After the experiments were completed or the destruction of the facility, depending on which story you read, the facility was closed for good, all the staff were brainwashed, shot or sworn to absolute secrecy, and all records destroyed. According to some stories, research continues at the site to this day with enhanced security.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project_(book) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project_(book))
Title: Re: Discovering John Lear
Post by: undo11 on January 09, 2012, 11:29:43 AM
hey john! long time no see!

you wouldn't happen to know ken musgrave would ya?
(dunno if he's related to story musgrave or not). he worked for nasa in the graphics department. he created a program for them that he later called mojo world and put on the internet as a commerical product when his services were no longer needed.
Title: Re: Discovering John Lear
Post by: johnlear on January 09, 2012, 02:27:49 PM
Quote from: undo11 on January 09, 2012, 11:29:43 AM
hey john! long time no see!

you wouldn't happen to know ken musgrave would ya?
(dunno if he's related to story musgrave or not). he worked for nasa in the graphics department. he created a program for them that he later called mojo world and put on the internet as a commerical product when his services were no longer needed.


Hello Beth and welcome,

no, haven't heard anything.

all the best
Title: Re: Discovering John Lear
Post by: A51Watcher on January 13, 2012, 03:38:33 AM
So after reading the report in the OP back then, I of course wanted to hear more about what John had to say.

Apparently so did a lot of other people. You have to remember that back then, UFO information was scarce and hard to come by in any medium.

It wasn't long before I did hear more from John Lear, as I sat down to dinner with the evening news.

I call this tape the firehouse tape because it was rescued from the ashes of a fire, the melted housing replaced with a new one. I apologize for the quality, but I see no alternate sources out there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN7O6yntnUM


Well at least the news was FINALLY showing something I was interested in!  ;D

One note of interest is John being the first one to mention Aliens and their Spaceships at Groom Lake before Bob Lazar went public.

8)

Title: Re: Discovering John Lear
Post by: A51Watcher on January 13, 2012, 03:49:29 AM
Soon after that John was back again, this time for a more in- depth explanation:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTTt-tXhrVE


"If ya think that's hard to buy, wait till you hear the rest of this stuff!"  ;D


Title: Re: Discovering John Lear
Post by: A51Watcher on January 13, 2012, 04:48:16 PM
John later said about this period:

"In the summer of 1988, I had given a lecture at the Spring Valley library. I was getting hundreds of calls. My wife changed my number and took all my UFO stuff because she tired of it disrupting our family life."
Title: Re: Discovering John Lear
Post by: A51Watcher on January 16, 2012, 02:25:44 AM
As I mentioned above about John being the first to publicly talk about Alien Spacecraft and Groom Lake, Bob Lazar confirms this in an early interview -


"Almost simultaneously I met John Lear and read some of his material, and initially I thought he was just absolutely crazy, but apparently he did have a good source of information, because as it turns out, some of the information he had, I actually had hands on experience with."


The moral of this story is - no matter how crazy it might sound... don't count John Lear out.


Bob and I found this out first hand.

:o