Im not really sure if this is the right place to post this thread. But, if not, this can be solve later and I will (re)move the thread. Also If Beth like this material, she can use it in her researches and delete this thread. :)
Nassim Haramein, Klaus Dona. Ancient artifacts with pictures on of ufos and wormholes, stargates in operation. (Fullscreen great view)
Images of the artifacts:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xXMQ0LTNFUY/Tnzw0ue5suI/AAAAAAAAAIg/UiXNkUqCWjI/s1600/vlcsnap-2011-09-23-22h46m47s26.png)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aWRG8ONPlRo/Tnzw5OmIh7I/AAAAAAAAAIk/1KrPOSTZaH0/s1600/vlcsnap-2011-09-23-22h47m42s97.png)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4Cwv0-dTn7Q/Tnzw_dgM-kI/AAAAAAAAAIo/3uYix-rz9iE/s1600/vlcsnap-2011-09-23-22h49m09s193.png)
English is spoken after 56 seconds mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cawZBMrGkTQ
UPDATED: one more piece from the lecture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXHviYiGKj4
Im trying to find the rest of this presentation. If anyone knows if there are more parts of this, please let me know. Thanks in advance. :)
I also would like to know where these artifacts were discovered? and what are their names?
When you see this video below, its hard to believe something could resist the power of the Sun, but what I know....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mat4dWpszoQ
Here some strange huge objects hiting the Sun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjtLBw7zv1I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8FKZ3xy2P8
So, not answers here, just more questions. Hope you enjoy :)
Quote from: RUSSO on November 09, 2011, 02:04:38 PM
I also would like to know where these artifacts were discovered? and what are their names?
Me too. I don't recall seeing these artefacts before.
I hope they are legit. If so then we have to find their age and place of origin. They look almost too good to be true....
I'd post them in UFO and Aliens too mate. The more people who read this the more chance you have of getting the information you want.
You need to google...klaus Dona.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE-Ya4v27RY
hobbit
QuoteMe too. I don't recall seeing these artefacts before.
Me neither, but seems to be a recent discovery. So much that after 12 minutes and a few seconds Nassim asks for staff to stop recording. It does not seem that he wants to share the images of the artifacts.
QuoteI hope they are legit. If so then we have to find their age and place of origin. They look almost too good to be true....
Indeed. Too good. But I dont think he would be fooled by a fraud of this type. Not for someone with his ego.
QuoteI'd post them in UFO and Aliens too mate. The more people who read this the more chance you have of getting the information you want.
You must be right, but I will see what Zorgon thing about this first.
And thank you Pimander for giving your opinion here. Very important to me. :)
QuoteYou need to google...klaus Dona.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE-Ya4v27RY
hobbit
Despite being a video of Klaus Dona, I dont see where it applies in this thread. Dont mean to sound rude here, but I researched it on google about this specific subject and what I found was posted in the OP.
So, if you find more information about this very artifacts, please let me know. :)
I have emailed Klaus for further information.
The trouble is I have never been in touch with him before so I have no idea how quickly he will respond. I find people who you correspond with regularly are usually better in this regard but we'll see.
8)
Very grateful for the effort Pimander. I'll wait for this answer carefully. :)
Quote from: RUSSO on November 09, 2011, 06:50:33 PM
Despite being a video of Klaus Dona, I dont see where it applies in this thread. Dont mean to sound rude here, but I researched it on google about this specific subject and what I found was posted in the OP.
So, if you find more information about this very artifacts, please let me know. :)
Just trying to help, maybe I won't bother again.
hobbit
And I appreciated your help. :)
Just asking you if you have some information about this event, please let me now.
Quote from: hobbit on November 09, 2011, 06:24:18 PM
You need to google...klaus Dona.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE-Ya4v27RY
hobbit
That pyramid also looks, suspiciously, too good to be true if you catch my drift. ;)
guys
project camelot had an interview with Klaus Dona
http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/klaus_dona_en.html
and i found it very interesting..he also was on one of the shows for the
history channel or nat geo
..i thought he had a web site but right now i can't find it..i'll keep looking
and he was headed to south america so this artifact might be from there
but i think before i believed it i would want to have some one do either carbon dating or
some form to tell it's age..
heck some talented kid could have done it..
still very interesting stuff
edit to say
that anything that has touched the camelot hands is suspect..sigh
but still interesting...my current opinion :o
Quote from: Pimander on November 09, 2011, 09:21:53 PM
That pyramid also looks, suspiciously, too good to be true if you catch my drift. ;)
I make my living as an antique dealer, You just don't happen across the amount this guy does, of whatever.
He makes a living out of conjuring up these improbable artifacts.
Nasshiem Harramein is akin to a super showman, and was making assumptions based on the visual carvings, then throwing in all the hook lines of wormholes and Einsteins field equations etc etc.
Sorry it was like a circus show.
But I hope they are real, and My ancestors really were tiny little aliens, after all, I am the,
Hobbit
Quote from: sky otter on November 09, 2011, 10:53:55 PM
..i thought he had a web site but right now i can't find it..i'll keep looking
http://www.unsolved-mysteries.info/english/e_unsolved_mysteries3.htm
Quote from: hobbit on November 09, 2011, 11:08:49 PM
I make my living as an antique dealer, You just don't happen across the amount this guy does, of whatever.
I agree. However, if you are interested in this stuff then people do contact you when they have finds. We can only look into it and dismiss it if it's BS.
The pyramid though, if real, would be practically priceless. If Klaus has it then he will never need to sell a book or charge a fee for public talks again. In fact if he's working still with that amount of cash then he really must be onto something LOL. For some reason I have my doubts but....
i think at 12:07 right before nassium says the guy shouldn't be recording
Klaus is ask where this artifact came from ...he clearly says south america
if you have time..this radio interview is long but he tells a story of where he found the eariler artifacts in a tunnel in ecuador
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE9ND1Ks7do
also a guy named shijing at this forum dated 2010 has some very interesting info..
it starts on page 2
if you are interested
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,19067.0.html
edit to add
and on page 4 of this link a guy named pashalis tells where the artifacts are from
i hope this is helpful
:)
Quote from: sky otter on November 10, 2011, 04:15:04 AM
i think at 12:07 right before nassium says the guy shouldn't be recording
Klaus is ask where this artifact came from ...he clearly says south america
Well, if this came from South Ameerica I will end to finding something.
Thanks sky otter. Much appreciated. :)
Although Nassims statements or conclusions in his presentations could be discuss worthy, Nassim would IMO not just present something not considered genuine when it meets something physical.
Of course his conclusions do not always meet the crowd or mine:)
I like this story.
Quote from: Lunica on November 10, 2011, 12:30:02 PM
Nassim would IMO not just present something not considered genuine when it meets something physical.
This is what I think too. I dont think his ego would let him be caught in a simple hoax like this. I mean he, at least, would take some caution about the artifacts being legits or not.
But in this field, everything is possible. ;)
Just throwing a couple of thoughts here:
The no recording comment seems to me at least to be made on the basis that they had a visual documentation crew present. I say that because I'm presently waiting on a DVD from the States in regards to a presentation which would be of similar nature to this one on youtube.
Have to wonder if its the only artefact found or if there are more. I know on the farm I grew up on we found loads of Aboriginal artefacts, so if this is legit, I do wonder if there is more to be found or has been found. :-\
I wonder why it is that Nassim Haramein has involved himself in this project but also in certain forms of " mind control" with some of his companions, (especially Elizabeth Rauscher) and his Hawaiian assocications. What might this have to do with artifacts from South America? Its an interesting mix, wouldn't you say?
John? You mentioned " mind control". How well do you actually know these folks? Linda
Here some more info from my ATS Thread:
QuoteOriginally posted by Human_Alien
OP, this was in the comment on YouTube:
Klaus mentions, in? German, that the pieces are of Central American origin, is there any information regarding their approximate date of creation?
MisterMumps 1 week ago
Not south America it seems...
Quote from: Somamech on November 10, 2011, 04:08:02 PM
Just throwing a couple of thoughts here:
The no recording comment seems to me at least to be made on the basis that they had a visual documentation crew present. I say that because I'm presently waiting on a DVD from the States in regards to a presentation which would be of similar nature to this one on youtube.
Well, if this is the case, maybe something more will come in the future about this. Hope so, because its a interisting case.
Quote from: RUSSO on November 10, 2011, 06:18:53 PM
Well, if this is the case, maybe something more will come in the future about this. Hope so, because its a interisting case.
I'll have check for you Russo regarding the DVD company, but it seems there is a group of people that go around and record such events. Really hard to tell for now till I see the mail out in the case I've been following.
One thing though..If that Nassim huy has the answers to all..why aint he building anything ?
Quote from: Linda Brown on November 10, 2011, 04:18:43 PM
I wonder why it is that Nassim Haramein has involved himself in this project but also in certain forms of " mind control" with some of his companions
Hmmmm very interesting. I was wondering the same thing.
I also stumbled upon the "Thrive" movie trailer, and found some
interesting connections. I suppose I should make a thread on it,
as I am not wanting to bog this one down with all of that.
However, its interesting, very interesting.
Quote from: burntheships on November 10, 2011, 08:38:00 PM
Hmmmm very interesting. I was wondering the same thing.
I also stumbled upon the "Thrive" movie trailer, and found some
interesting connections. I suppose I should make a thread on it,
as I am not wanting to bog this one down with all of that.
However, its interesting, very interesting.
You mean this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OibqdwHyZxk
Quote from: Somamech on November 10, 2011, 06:31:21 PM
I'll have check for you Russo regarding the DVD company, but it seems there is a group of people that go around and record such events. Really hard to tell for now till I see the mail out in the case I've been following.
Thanks :)
QuoteOne thing though..If that Nassim huy has the answers to all..why aint he building anything ?
Just to make clear, what caught my attention were the artifacts. About Nassim, I also have my doubts.
This case will have a follow up. Of course I would say. These guys are also in to it to spread "the word". It will not be spread if ignored:)
It will however, genuine or not, be ridiculed for a long time...? ::)
Quote from: Lunica on November 10, 2011, 09:05:37 PM
It will however, genuine or not, be ridiculed for a long time...? ::)
No doubts about it...
Russo I found the link to a conference recording service. Not sure if they would have it, but its worth a peek :)
http://www.ncrsusa.com/
Quote from: Somamech on November 11, 2011, 05:32:03 AM
Russo I found the link to a conference recording service. Not sure if they would have it, but its worth a peek :)
http://www.ncrsusa.com/
Thanks Somamech. Did a search there but not find any reference about this particular case. Still waiting that mail ;)
One more piece from the lecture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXHviYiGKj4
Thats wild... kind of reminds me of my families crest... ::)
After all the other strange things that have happened to me though, makes sense. Almost no one would believe me even if I tried to tell them and the ones that would - scare me. haha. I just want peace for myself and everyone else. The only way to have peace is through peace. You can't achieve peace through violence and lies... Hope the world figures that out so we can someday live without fear. We can do so much if we all stop trying to hurt each other. I think it's all a pass/fail test and so far our score isn't looking too good.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/Vault/Attachment_Repair/famcrest.jpg)
Seamanship goes way back in my family history... ( I live on the Ocean full time )... If anybody ever gets a door working between here and Atlantis, I could really use a ride home! lol ;)
Quote from: hobbit on November 09, 2011, 06:24:18 PM
You need to google...klaus Dona.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE-Ya4v27RY
hobbit
That video has been removed for copyright issues
Quote from: Amaterasu on March 01, 2012, 02:43:59 AM
I gave You gold for this - despite the comment about My heartthrob, Nassim. [grin] Question: Are those "recently released objects" We're looking at in that film in another thread proven fake?
I had not read anywhere that Nassim was promoting fakes. Guess I'll have to dig.
Well I really don't want to comment about your heartthrob :P It is true that he does get the attention of the ladies... but then so did Bob.
The biggest problem in all of this is that everyone has their favorite character and pitting one against another will only lead to drama. Hard to avoid when dealing with personal opinion and belief. And as time goes on internet rumors start to get repeated enough that they become fact
The artifact As far as I have been able to determine at this time, is a fake. However since they won't release where it was found it is hard to determine its value. The artifact is claimed to be Mayan but the glyphs look nothing like Mayan work
Ancient Stargate Artifacts and Maya 2012 Correlation
http://www.in5d.com/stargate-artifacts-maya-2012.html
He lost me when he used Comet Neat to prove that Nibiru has already come and gone
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2029221838829059074
So what to do? Best we can do is DOUBLE CHECK the facts that we can... and be sure we have the right info when we repeat internet chatter :D
In this 'business' 99% of what we hear we are likely to find unbelievable, though many will just accept everything as true. Its our job to find as much as we can to back it up.
Would love for those artifacts to be real... but why can we not get providence on them?
I will post that in the appropriate thread anyway... just to have it on record
The thing about the stargates... no one was doing that before Beth and I started that thread so long ago... now everyone is on the cash bandwagon :P perhaps we are the fools ;)
Video Proof That Planet Nibiru Has Come and Gone!
Posted by astr0144
Hi Zorgon,
If that Video is for real, visually it does appear to be a comet and not a planet...so I don't see how he can claim it was Nibiru.
But it appears to be the biggest object that I have ever seen in the Solar system other than the Sun...Surely more would had been seen at that time !
What could happen if a large comet collided with the Sun..Is it a large snowball that would melt :-) , or is there large solid planet like matter within it.
I had given up on stories of Nibiru after following Marshall Masters upto 2009.
If you Have known about this Nassim for some time..I wonder if Overall how had you found him making false claims...or has he appeared legit at times for certain things.
Could he have created a false video...or would that seem too difficult to do for such visual effects !
Terrifying if it is true...and to think of what has happened and what effects on the Solar system / Earth are or would be hard to believe if we survived it.
Has the rotation of the Planet or earths orbit slowed down ?
I had questioned this prior to seeing that Video !
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He lost me when he used Comet Neat to prove that Nibiru has already come and gone
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2029221838829059074
Video Proof That Planet Nibiru Has Come and Gone!
Quote from: astr0144 on March 05, 2012, 07:03:11 AM
If that Video is for real, visually it does appear to be a comet and not a planet...so I don't see how he can claim it was Nibiru.
That was my problem too... In that video he tells people that info was hard to get. No it wasn't, not if people knew what to look for. Comet Neat 2001 (year of discovery)
QuoteBut it appears to be the biggest object that I have ever seen in the Solar system other than the Sun...Surely more would had been seen at that time !
well someone DID see it... a lot of people saw it. But it wasn't near earth so did't make a big splash in the news. Here is the comet... its tail brightened by the CME it passed through briefly
(http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0302/neatcme_soho_big.jpg)
QuoteExplanation: As Comet NEAT flared last week, the Sun roared. Just as the comet swooped inside the orbit of Mercury and developed a long and flowing tail of gas and dust, the Sun emitted a huge Coronal Mass Ejection (CME). Neither the fortuitous hot ball of solar gas nor the intense glare of sunlight appeared to disrupt the comet's nucleus. The action was too close to the Sun to be easily visible by humans, but the orbiting Sun-pointing SOHO satellite had a clear view of the celestial daredevil show. The above image was taken on February 18 when the comet was so bright it created an artificial horizontal streak on the camera image. During the encounter, Comet NEAT, official designation (C/2002 V1), brightened to second magnitude. An opaque disk blocked the Sun's image. The now-outbound comet remains bright but will surely fade as it moves away from the Sun. Nevertheless, Comet NEAT will likely be visible with binoculars to southern hemisphere observers for the next month.
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap030224.htmlHere are a few pictures...
(http://www.daviddarling.info/images/Comet_C2001Q4_NEAT.jpg)
(http://home.earthlink.net/~abishai3_g/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/comet-c-2001-q4-neat.jpg)
(http://www.visualphotos.com/photo/1x7586146/comet_neat_c2001_q4_r4500393.jpg)
QuoteWhat could happen if a large comet collided with the Sun..Is it a large snowball that would melt :-) , or is there large solid planet like matter within it.
Nothing... they hit the sun all the time Comet Neat was very small, not 'twice the size of Jupiter' as Nassim put it. As a comet gets close to the sun, the gas expands and the COMA gets huge, but it is just thin glowing gas... it has no mass. This is a common misconception with people. The visual size of the coma compared to the density/mass of that gas
C/2002 V1 (NEAT) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C/2002_V1_%28NEAT%29)
Continued...
QuoteI had given up on stories of Nibiru after following Marshall Masters upto 2009.
Well Z Sitchin invented Nibiru and later it got mixed into the Mayan/2012 stuff... but in Sitchins own words...
"Nibiru settled into a clockwise orbit (equal to 3,600 orbits of Earth around the Sun). Nibiru stabilized into a clockwise orbit, equal to 3,600 orbits of Earth around the Sun until 10, 900 B.C.E., when Nibiru arrived earlier, due to increasing drift from Solaris of Uranus. Uranus' gravity sped Nibiru's orbit. As a result of this
close encounter between Nibiru and Uranus, one of Nibiru's moons, Miranda, was captured by and became a moon of Uranus as Nibiru and Uranus pulled at each other. From 10,000B.C.E. on, Nibiru's revolution sped to 3.450 Earth years; which makes Nibiru's next return 2900A.D. rather than 2012 as predicated on the earlier 3600- year orbit"
Sitchin, Z., 2007, The End of Days, pages 315 - 317 2900 AD not 2012
In Sitchin's own words... that is 892 years away...
QuoteIf you Have known about this Nassim for some time..I wonder if Overall how had you found him making false claims...or has he appeared legit at times for certain things.
Are they false claims? or does he really believe it himself... He is a showman, he has charisma with the ladies, but his physics is flawed. Most of what I have seen of his, he has picked up from other work on the web and added his interpretation. Fair enough, doesn't make it right. I am pretty sure I don't have a black hole in my head ;)
Stargates is his new direction and he has National Geographic covering his work.... So there ya go we work for years putting together the Stargate data and along he comes and gets NatGeo coverage... LOL go figure... hard to counter that ;)
QuoteCould he have created a false video...or would that seem too difficult to do for such visual effects !
Terrifying if it is true...and to think of what has happened and what effects on the Solar system / Earth are or would be hard to believe if we survived it.
The video is real. You can go to SOHO and plug in the dates and see it yourself. There was nothing to survive. They thought it would break up as it was so small (they usually do) but it survived so will be back in a few years (37,000 :P )
QuoteHas the rotation of the Planet or earths orbit slowed down ?
Not from that comet... no but the Japanese earthquake slowed it and shifted the whole planet a little :D
There was another one not that long ago... Comet 17P/Holmes That one got bigger than the Sun :o and was visible from Earth by naked eye... showed up like a new star in Cassiopeia. Watched it from John's house. No tail because it was coming towards us so the tail was behind it. Nice pictures of that one..
(http://cometography.com/pcomets/017p_20071031mj.jpg)
Copyright © 2007 by Michael Jäger (Austria) (http://cometography.com/pcomets/017p.html)(http://www.greatdreams.com/comets/comet-17p-breaks.jpg)
(http://www.astroeder.com/digital/C17P_Holmes/20071104/C17P_Holmes_20071104_eder750.jpg)
That one did no damage either :D
I had questioned this prior to seeing that Video ![/color]
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He lost me when he used Comet Neat to prove that Nibiru has already come and gone
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2029221838829059074
Video Proof That Planet Nibiru Has Come and Gone!
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Posted by AmaterasuQuote from: Amaterasu on March 01, 2012, 02:43:59 AM
I gave You gold for this - despite the comment about My heartthrob, Nassim. [grin] Question: Are those "recently released objects" We're looking at in that film in another thread proven fake?
I had not read anywhere that Nassim was promoting fakes. Guess I'll have to dig.
I did a search for Haramein and fake objects - I came up empty-handed. Any additional data I should be searching for?
Zorgon,
Your research is very impressive..
And I do not know how on Earth that you managed to post all that so quick !
You one fast researcher !...
Thank you for your explanations..
Those photos are awsome !
Perhaps 'fake' is the wrong word at this time...
Lets try no providence... Where did this come from? I have heard "a tunnel in Ecuador"; "somewhere is South America"; "Somewhere in Central America"; and then on the page I will go over in a minute.."The Mexican government is releasing state-held secrets about the end of the Mayan calendar to the makers of a documentary, "Revelations of the Mayans 2012 and Beyond," TheWrap has learned."
So where is the dig site? Who actually found it? How is it connected to the Mayans?
Ancient Stargate Artifacts and Maya 2012 CorrelationSo here is a copy of the video again in which its a Mayan revelation but might be an event in our future. The stones have no resemblance to ANY known Mayan art or artifacts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NblufMmZaxE
QuoteFeaturing David Icke and Nassim Harramein. Newly uncovered Mayan glyphs in Calakmul, Mexico have revealed some amazing extraterrestrial imagery as well as information on stargates and an apparent incoming comet which appears to be diverted by a UFO. Find out what it's all about here!
So according to THIS source the 'Mayan glyphs' werer found in Calakmul, Mexico
(http://www.in5d.com/images/new-mayan-glyph.jpg)
(http://www.in5d.com/images/maya-2012-stargate.jpg)
(http://www.in5d.com/images/maya-2012-stargate-srths.jpg)
(http://www.in5d.com/images/maya-2012-stargate-dshs.jpg)
Nassim Haramein's Physics
QuoteNassim Haramein (born November 20, 1962) is a Swiss-born scientist known for developing a unified field theory based on the origin of spin/angular momentum defined as a "spacetime torque" which is integral to his "Holofractographic Universe". This unification theory, developed with physicist Elizabeth Rauscher Ph.D., is known as the Haramein-Rauscher metric and is a new solution to Einstein's Field Equations that incorporates torque and Coriolis effects interacting with a polarized geometric structured vacuum. Further, he and Dr. Rauscher have developed a Scaling Law for Organized Matter, which characterizes all matter from subatomic to galactic and universal size as various size black holes.
Haramein has spent most of his life researching the fundamental geometry of hyperspace, studying a variety of fields from theoretical physics, cosmology, quantum mechanics, biology and chemistry to anthropology and Ancient Stargate Artifacts and Maya 2012 Correlation | in5d.comarchaeology. As a result of his early athletic interest in the ski and climbing industry, he combined this knowledge with a keen observation of the behavior of nature, and discovered a specific geometric array that he found to be fundamental to creation, and the foundation for his Unified Field Theory emerged.
Ancient Stargate Artifacts and Maya 2012 Correlation (http://www.in5d.com/stargate-artifacts-maya-2012.html)Ancient Maya City of Calakmul, Campeche(http://www.mgharris.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/calakmul-ii.jpg)
Credit: The MG Harris Blog (http://www.mgharris.net/2009/08/02/joshua-4-finished-well-a-draft/)(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_AprtmWlWP2Y/Sw3PoPgxiCI/AAAAAAAAAI4/xbPAzsmzx1E/s1600/mayan-mural-calakmulmexico.jpg)
Typical art at Calakmul - Maize, salt and daily life on Mayan muralsQuoteMurals found inside a pyramid at the ancient Maya site of Calakmul, Mexico, cast a whole new light on Mayan daily life and language.
Researchers excavated a tunnel into what looked like a burial mound from the outside, but turned out to be a buried pyramid. Inside they found multiple layers of pyramids built on top of each other, with a set of excellently preserved paintings of quotidian Mayan activities.
The images on the mural show people engaged in mundane activities, such as preparing food. Hieroglyphic captions accompany each image, labeling each individual. In each case the term "aj," meaning "person," is used and followed by the word for a foodstuff or material. For example, the terms "aj ul" ("maize-gruel person") shows a man with a large pot, dish and spoon with another man drinking from a bowl, and the term "aj mahy" (tobacco person) depicts two men, one holding a spatula and the other a pot that likely holds a form of the tobacco leaf.
Such scenes have never been seen in surviving Mayan paintings before, though some parts of quotidian Mayan culture have survived through the ages with the remaining Mayan populations) and the hieroglyphs for some words (such as "tobacco" and "maize-gruel") were already known. Other hieroglyphs, though, were new to researchers — of particular importance were finding the words for maize itself and salt, which were known to be key staples of the Mayan diet.
Maize, salt and daily life on Mayan murals (http://sikandaorganicos.blogspot.com/2009/11/maize-salt-and-daily-life-on-mayan.html)
The Nibiru story when I first found out about it side stepped even Bob Lazars at the time...All I can say is it was a relief that it did not arrive :-) or we may not be hear to discuss it here at PRC :-)
So I hope that Z.S only invented it and proves a fake as good a story as I initally had once hoped may prove true as it may had explained a lot of the mysteries behind our Solar system and our past history.
I still would like it to be true...as long as it misses and does not badly effect our Earth as it was a fascinating story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin
"Well Z Sitchin invented Nibiru and later it got mixed into the Mayan/2012 stuff... but in Sitchins own words..."
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Well Z Sitchin invented Nibiru and later it got mixed into the Mayan/2012 stuff... but in Sitchins own words...
"Nibiru settled into a clockwise orbit (equal to 3,600 orbits of Earth around the Sun). Nibiru stabilized into a clockwise orbit, equal to 3,600 orbits of Earth around the Sun until 10, 900 B.C.E., when Nibiru arrived earlier, due to increasing drift from Solaris of Uranus. Uranus' gravity sped Nibiru's orbit. As a result of this
close encounter between Nibiru and Uranus, one of Nibiru's moons, Miranda, was captured by and became a moon of Uranus as Nibiru and Uranus pulled at each other. From 10,000B.C.E. on, Nibiru's revolution sped to 3.450 Earth years; which makes Nibiru's next return 2900A.D. rather than 2012 as predicated on the earlier 3600- year orbit"
Sitchin, Z., 2007, The End of Days, pages 315 - 317
2900 AD not 2012
In Sitchin's own words... that is 892 years away...
"Revelations of the Mayans 2012 and Beyond". Cant wait to see it. Its supposed to show an underwater mayan city never seen before and who knows what else that "state held secrets" means.
I bet a stargate will also pop out.
Zorgon, good job :)
Thanks, zorg, for that. I agree it all is a bit fishy. I am not so captivated by Nassim that I would not see fishiness around Him. [grin]
astr0144:
As for Nibiru... I think any such story of any sort was likely concocted by the "gods" to play on Human sympathy - if that's what the tablets say. I mean, "They're grumbling about the work in the mines? Tell Them Our planet is dying and We need the gold to save it. That'll make Them feel better about being slaves."
I think Robert Morning Sky got MUCH closer to the truth with The Terra Papers. Bek'ti gave a much more plausible version.
Quote from: Amaterasu on March 05, 2012, 10:10:10 AM
Thanks, zorg, for that. I agree it all is a bit fishy. I am not so captivated by Nassim that I would not see fishiness around Him. [grin]
Well don't get me wrong... I would like nothing better than if these artifacts were proven to be real... But so far we ghave ZERO documentation of where they came from. No dig site, no clear location because "it's secret". No archaeological team.... just a bunch of artifacts that came from nowhere.
And now they added more...
New Artefacts proves alien contact with Mayas (http://www.in5d.com/images/maya41.jpg)
(http://www.in5d.com/images/maya46.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOs2uHbQrCQ
A whole batch of artifacts... all look like they were made by the same artist... most only have a vague reference to Mayan art style... and not one piece of evidence on the original dig site.
When a guy like Nassim gets full media coverage on National Geographic (with a pay check) and is not required to show ANY documentation or proof of authenticity... they WTF am I doing here? I might as well hang up my hat and go back to my Medieval world.... or go cut the grass :P
If cool looking artifacts is enough for the story... then so be it... but I prefer to know where they came from
This one here...
(http://www.in5d.com/images/maya40.jpg)
Looks like a take off from this one;
(http://spacecraftinspaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Mayan-Spacecraft.jpg)
But there you have a REAL example of a Mayan work that may point to Ancient Aliens
(http://www.exohuman.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/palenque.jpg)
(http://www.in5d.com/images/maya9.jpg)
(http://www.in5d.com/images/maya19.jpg)
(http://www.in5d.com/images/maya13.jpg)
Newly Discovered Artifacts Prove Mayans Had Alien Contact! (http://www.in5d.com/newly-discovered-artifacts-prove-mayans-had-alien-contact.html)
Mayan Secrets to Be Revealed by Mexican Government in '2012' DocQuoteThe Mexican government is releasing state-held secrets about the end of the Mayan calendar to the makers of a documentary, "Revelations of the Mayans 2012 and Beyond," TheWrap has learned. The information -- protected for 80 years -- is expected to reveal Mayan beliefs in future catastrophes and wisdom characterized as "shocking," producer Raul Julia-Levy, son of actor Raul Julia, told TheWrap. The end of the Mayan calendar in December 2012 has long given rise to theories and speculation about the end of the world. The agreement will allow Julia-Levy to film in never-before-seen locations.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/17/idUS269735214920110817The article is carried on Reuters... BUT the source is TheWrap... a tabloid. Nassim was featured on National Geographic....
I guess that makes it real ... :P
Or a viral marketing campaign for a film?
QuoteAt one point, Rosado was quoted in a press release talking about contact between the Mayans and extraterrestrials. That statement has been recalled, and Rosado now paints this as a simpler, more archaeological-oriented documentary. "At the moment, talk of the Mayans is a big thing," Rosado said. "We've counted over 3 million websites talking about the end of the Mayan calendar, and we have been contacted by a lot of producers who want to come and film on our sites." The project is similar in some ways to a novel Julia-Levy was writing, variously entitled "Chronicles of the Mayan Tunnel" and "Secrets of the Mayan Time Machine." He and co-producer Elbert were also going to make a 3D movie from that novel starring him and Wesley Snipes, he said in the summer of 2010.
I guess we will have to wait for the film to see if they show us the dig site and the documentation
Back a few years ago some other artifacts appeared in Peru... took many years before the truth came out.
The Ica Stones of PeruIca's Engraved Stones: A Prehistoric Library?
Stone Collection in Peru Museum Reveals Ancient CivilizationQuoteICA, Peru—At first sight, the small Peruvian town of Ica, situated in the Nazca Desert about 5 hours by bus from Lima, has nothing extraordinary to offer. But after one step into Museo Cabrera, a museum that houses engraved stones of Ica, a different world emerges.
Over 10,000 stones of varying sizes fill the museum. They all have a black, smooth surface on which figures are engraved. Lifting them, you would find them much heavier than everyday stones of similar size.
Dr. Javier Cabrera Darquea, who collected and studied the stones for 37 years, got a small stone as a gift for his birthday. Surprised by its weight and design, he started collecting and studying the stones.
Eugenia Cabrera C., director of the museum and daughter of Dr. Cabrera, said that her father conducted an analysis on the stones and found that they are a common type of rock called andesite, coated with a special layer on the surface, which made them black and smooth and probably gave them the extra weight.
He speculated that the layer may have been soft at first, which allowed people to draw the figures on it, and later became hard. To this day, the coating is still on the stones, allowing us to see the figures.
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The drawing on this stone shows a dinosaur eating a human that led some people to think that there were humans 65 million years ago. (Courtesy of Eugenia Cabrera/Museo Cabrera)(http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/images/stories/large/2010/08/15/AstronomerCourtesyru_medium.jpg)
OBSERVING A COMET: This Ica Stone depicts a person wearing a headdress, observing a comet through a telescope. (Courtesy of Eugenia Cabrera/Museo Cabrera)Ica's Engraved Stones: A Prehistoric Library? (http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/science/icas-engraved-stones-a-prehistoric-library-40978.html)There are many images of them on the net....
Popularization by CabreraQuotePeruvian physician Javier Cabrera Darquea was presented with a stone that had a carved picture of what Cabrera believed to be an extinct fish by a friend for his 42nd birthday in 1966.[3] Having an interest in Peruvian prehistory, Cabrera began collecting them. This supplemented an existing collection of stones gathered by his father from their plantation in the 1930s. Cabrera's collection burgeoned, reaching more than 10,000 stones in the 1970s. Cabrera published a book, The Message of the Engraved Stones of Ica on the subject, discussing his theories of the origins and meaning of the stones.
Though Cabrera's collection is the largest, other collections exist or existed as well.
Cabrera's fraudulent stonesQuoteIn 1973 Uschuya confirmed that he had forged the stones he gave to Cabrera during an interview with Erich von Däniken, copying the images from comic books, text books and magazines but later recanted that claim during an interview with a German journalist, saying that he had claimed they were a hoax to avoid imprisonment for selling archaeological artifacts. In 1977, during the BBC documentary Pathway to the Gods, Uschuya produced an Ica stone with a dentist's drill and claimed to have produced the patina by baking the stone in cow dung. The Ica stones achieved popular interest when Cabrera abandoned his medical career and opened a museum to feature several thousand of the stones in 1996. That same year, another BBC documentary was released with a skeptical analysis of Cabrera's stones, and the newfound attention to the phenomenon prompted Peruvian authorities to arrest Uschuya, as Peruvian law prohibits the sales of archaeological discoveries. Uschuya recanted his claim that he had found them and instead admitted they were hoaxes, saying "Making these stones is easier than farming the land." He also said that he had not made all the stones. He was not punished, and continued to sell similar stones to tourists as trinkets. The stones continued to be made and carved by other artists as forgeries of the original forgeries.[
ImpactQuoteThe stones have been used by some creationists to show evidence of humans living in proximity with dinosaurs; believers in ancient astronauts as evidence of a lost, advanced civilization brought to man from other planets; and mytho-historians claiming them as evidence that ancient myths are accurate histories
Ica Stones - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ica_stones)So this is the problem we are up against. There are so many fakers out there... we have a hard time finding any real truth. And when real archaeologists DO find unexplained artifacts, 90% of the time they are hidden from us because it would mess up their theory. I would like to believe that these items are tucked away in some Smithsonian vault and that they were not destroyed, but there is no way to tell.
The Baghdad Batteries is a prime example... they were found in a dust old museum basement by a new curator who did an inventory... The batteries were reproduced and found to actually work.. Today they were among the items stolen from the Baghdad Museum during the recent war..
So all we have now is photos and the models
Quote from: Captain Dave on December 30, 2011, 08:28:54 AM
Seamanship goes way back in my family history... ( I live on the Ocean full time )... If anybody ever gets a door working between here and Atlantis, I could really use a ride home! lol ;)
Hand around in the Bermuda Triangle Area and watch for storms like this one
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Electric_Universe/Storm_Pacific_Bermuda.png)
Head for that and you are sure to find an opening
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;)
ya know i have always figured the drawings were still open to intrepretations
you said this
The drawing on this stone shows a dinosaur eating a human that led some people to think that there were humans 65 million years ago. (Courtesy of Eugenia Cabrera/Museo Cabrera)
(http://i45.servimg.com/u/f45/13/55/53/83/dinosa10.jpg)
but
what if it is showing humans came from the draco constellation..??????
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Draco is Latin for 'dragon' from Greek dracon. 'Dragon' seems to be a term for any mysterious snakelike creature in mythology. Dragons are often depicted as having a snake body on four feet. There is no fossil evidence for dragons ever having existed.
"'The tree of the Summit' was a type of the Celestial Pole, Seat of Judgment, and was guarded by the celestial serpent, the constellation Draco" [1]. "The constellation Ursa Minor which contains the Polestar, Polaris, as is now drawn enclosed on three sides by the coils of Draco; formerly it was almost entirely so" [Allen, Star Names, under Ursa Minor]. This pole, or the constellation Ursa Minor, was also imagined as a tree, and Draco, or the Dragon Ladon, is seen as guarding either the constellation Ursa Minor, or the tree in the garden of the Hesperides. Ladon, representing Draco, was the serpent-like dragon that twined round the tree in the Garden and guarded the golden apples, while tormenting the Titan Atlas (maybe Camelopardalis) as he held the heavens on his shoulders.
http://www.constellationsofwords.com/Constellations/Draco.html
years ago i stumbled on a site that aligned the ancient churches of europe with this dragon
i'll see if i can find it again
and the chinese called them dragon lines not ley lines
;D
Quote from: RUSSO on December 29, 2011, 06:00:27 AM
One more piece from the lecture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXHviYiGKj4
Here is a little of the applied tech. showing the rotations and opening of the Processing system involved.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/0140.gif)
When the "
Processing System Communication Formats" are
integrated with the end result, or involving the end result i.e. Universe, we gain access to edit or change the programs within, which
ALL is produced by.
Hope this may help?
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ArMaPIt looks like most, if not all, of those objects came from this site (http://www.blossomrivergroup.com/art_gallery.php).
On that site they say (on the "About us" page):
Quote"Blossom River Group represents a collection of approximate 50 pieces of antiquities which are between 4,000 to 12,000 years old. Three of these relics are in a museum in United States. Additionally, certain pieces from this collection are available for an auction sale by appointment.
The ownership has been established by family inheritance for over 150 years. The origin of these artifacts are unknown as you will see as you read the investigative reports that have been done on these artifacts. It appears that these relics were found in the American continent most likely Mesoamerica."
No signs of any scientific support of the possible findings.
Edit: they have a "Scientific studies" page where they talk about tests made by an Austrian museum
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread813057/pg2#pid13549163
That site is now no longer active... I did however save the Cached pages
Blossom River Group Inc. Cache (http://goo.gl/5VIMw)
On the About Us page...
QuoteThe origin of these artifacts are unknown as you will see as you read the investigative reports that have been done on these artifacts. It appears that these relics were found in the American continent most likely Mesoamerica.
Later on the Scientific Studies: Origins page...
QuoteIt is believe that the relics were found somewhere in Mesoamerica over 150 years ago when a native farm worker spotted a strange object hovering near a mountain and with astonishment he watch the object land and observed 7 strange creatures appeared from the hovering object and removed a heavy stone from the mountain without touching it. These seven creatures entered the cave in the mountain and after several hours they departed the mountain site. Immediately this native farm worker informed his boss of this strange occurrence and immediately they set out to investigate this strange phenomena at the mountain site and after several weeks of excavation, and to their amazement they found a deep cave within this mountain. At this site, my client's ancestors found a large collection of relics with strange messages engraved.The land where the antiquities where found as well as the relics were inherited by the owner of these relics and over a year ago he finally decided to scientifically test these relics and bring them out for public display. His collection was transported to the United States in 1963.
So on the one hand they say location unknown... then they tell us they are 150 years old and found on a farm, that the farmer owns them.
The gallery had a viewing fee of $2,500 - $5,000 for them to bring them to you to view
QuoteFoundation
The relics are in a security vault for safekeeping in Los Angeles California, United States
If you wish to have a representative bring the antiquities to you, a fee is required
For travel within the United States the fee is: $2,500
For travel outside of the United States the fee is : $5,000
This fee will only apply if a representative from Blossom River Group brings the antiquity to you
outside southern California. However you do not need to pay any fee if you visit us in Los Angeles California. Financial contributions derived from these relics will be allocated to help the living conditions of the indigenous people in Latin America
For more information, please contact us by email or telephone..
PAYPAL exhibition fee can be sent to:
relics@blossomrivergroup.com
Foundation (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rL00AlMSNrsJ:www.blossomrivergroup.com/action.php+&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a)
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ArMaPI read about the supposed scientific study. :)
I wonder what they mean by this:
QuoteThese studies showed that there were 12 elements that do not correspond to the density that is known on earth and could not be identified.
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reply to post by CaptainBeno (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread813057/pg5#pid13552451)Never underestimate people's stupidity. :)
And most of those that are fooled (and find out that they were fooled) try to hide the fact, so they keep things as they were.
PS: about the scientific study, I had already sent an email to the Austrian museum that supposedly made the tests.
Pauligirl did the same.
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Some things from the "Scientific studies" page.
First, they say that only two objects were dated, one estimated to be from 4150 BC and the other from 6150 BC. That dates only the object, not the when the carving was made, as far as I know.
They also say that "Thermo Luminescence test was not suitable because it was determine that the relic's material
was not pottery clay or porcelain", but then they say "Furthermore, an analysis was done with caulin on one of the relic which
indicates a clay like substance with a chemical composition A1251205 (OH) and seems to suggest that it is a silicate in layers."
So, is it "not pottery" but, at the same time, a "clay like substance"?
Also, the way that text is written makes me think that it was written by someone not used to write (and speak) in English. The name of the museum is also written in a strange way, as it's presented as "NATUHISTORICHES MUSEUM WIEN V.M.F. HAMMER
DE VIENA AUSTRIA", which makes sense in Portuguese, for example, because "de" means "from", but not in English, and it's not in the original German name of the museum.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread813057/pg5#pid13552735
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ArMaPI had a reply waiting in my in-box, from the Mineralogy and Petrology Department:
QuoteDear Mr. Xxxxx, thank you for contacting me concerning the objects shown on the homepage of the Blossomrivergroup. I think I was never in contact with them and I have no possibility to determine the age of an object or the chemical composition.
Years ago I did some X-ray diffraction on objects for an exhibition in Vienna concerning "mysteries"...... but I had no further contact to that crazy people any more.
So what the tell is NOT the truth, sorry to tell you.
I will see that the cacel my name immediately from their homepage.
I also had an e-mail forwarded to me, originally sent to the Blossom River Group site, telling them to remove any references to the Mineralogy and Petrology Department by tomorrow.
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QuoteOriginally posted by FlySolo
Klaus said he had them studied in Vienna back in '01 so that backs up your email's claim.
I missed that part, that makes it more likely that he was the person that had the objects tested for that "mysteries" exhibition.
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QuoteOriginally posted by truthrising2012
So are we at the point where the artifacts still need verification of it's origin? What we do know is the Blossom Group website may be selling hoax artifacts but what Klaus has may still be the real deal if i'm correct?
From what I understand of it all, the artefacts may be real, by that's not very likely. The two artefacts that I could see on the videos from that conference appear at the bottom of the page on the Blossom River site, they are presented as "Coriolis" and "Galaxia".
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread813057/pg7#pid13554728
QuoteOriginally posted by FlySolo at ATS (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread813057/pg9#pid13560106)
ArMap. Take a look at this.
Dear Mr. xxx,
We are updating the scientific page with more definitive information. This should be done by Wednesday of this week. The majority of the studies were done at UNAM in North American and one test was done at the Museum in Vienna. We do have the studies on file. Right now we are doing more extensive testing in the United States. The Location that these relics were found seems to be central America. The artifacts that you are interest in have very special designs which seem to portray planets and far away galaxies.
The appraisal on number 19 is $75M
The appraisal on number 29 is $47M
However you are welcome to make an offer. Should it be accepted then an escrow would be open.
Let me know your level of interest on these relics.
Ms. Johanson
Folks, we're not talking about a few thousand dollars for one of these artifacts. We're talking MILLIONS!!
Millions and millions of dollars!! wow!
Something feels really off about all of this. I mean, I can understand hoaxers getting away with a few of these for cheap for awhile, but for the price tag they are going for? Hmm I'm not so sure.
When millions of dollars are at stake, well this opens up a whole new different level. Are these fake? Who would want to keep people from buying them? Who would want to buy them? This little thread subject just took a real sharp turn. I don't know much about the art industry, well anything actually, but this is serious SH!T. $47,000,000 is reason to kill for, to die for, to lie for.
I just want to add. If fake, then this is a very orchestrated and well organized criminal operation. Or, they will be met by a very organized criminal operation.
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ArMaPreply to post by FlySolo (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread813057/pg9#pid13560106)I think I will start an artefact business. :o
The "Scientific Studies" section, when they speak of the Austrian museum, was changed, now it reads:
QuoteAt the NATUHISTORI SCHES MUSEUM WIEN in VIENNA AUSTRIA, they only conducted a material test and the result was "kaolin" on one of the relics. Furthermore, a much more profound analysis was also done at UNAM in North America with kaolin on different relics from this collection and it indicated a clay like substance with a chemical composition A1251205 (OH) and it seemed to suggest that it is a silicate in layers
And:
QuoteAll of the detail scientific studies that are stated were done at UNAM in North America
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Quote from: hobbit on November 09, 2011, 11:08:49 PM
I make my living as an antique dealer, You just don't happen across the amount this guy does, of whatever.
He makes a living out of conjuring up these improbable artifacts.
Nasshiem Harramein is akin to a super showman, and was making assumptions based on the visual carvings, then throwing in all the hook lines of wormholes and Einsteins field equations etc etc.
Sorry it was like a circus show.
But I hope they are real, and My ancestors really were tiny little aliens, after all, I am the,
Hobbit
Hey, Hobbit, and you know what the truth is!
Nassim is a showman yes, but there is also some truth to these artifacts, and the way they are typically presented in the South American science communities is with a big hoopla and to do, with plenty of wild arm waving and adjectives flying.
Nevertheless, if Nassim is involved, we need to siphon off the good, and let the bad flow downstream. Id like to see them firsthand, and get a feel for their authenticity from an experience standpoint, as they should have a certain look and feel as powerful as he claims them to be, yet my force field youve taught me to use may keep me from getting too close!
LOL!
Heres some pics from his official press release years ago...Klaus Dona's Ecuadoran artifacts...
Some of these look pretty cool...
Littleenki
Quote from: Littleenki on April 15, 2012, 02:40:07 PM
Nassim is a showman yes, but there is also some truth to these artifacts, and the way they are typically presented in the South American science communities is with a big hoopla and to do, with plenty of wild arm waving and adjectives flying.
I will believe there is some truth to the artifacts the minute someone can provide documentation of providence. "Dug up somewhere in Gautamala, Mexico or Equador" just doesn't work for me
QuoteSome of these look pretty cool...
And you have the dig site they came from? Thanks
Hey ya want to get rich? Since the locals don't care and you have access, lets bury some cool stuff from Hobbits shop in Turkey near Gobeckli Tepi, then recruit Nassim to reveal them for us
::)
This is all there is....
http://www.humanresonance.org/mana.html
Le
Quote from: zorgon on July 08, 2012, 01:27:55 AM
I will believe there is some truth to the artifacts the minute someone can provide documentation of providence. "Dug up somewhere in Gautamala, Mexico or Equador" just doesn't work for me
And you have the dig site they came from?
Russo and I have tried to communicate with Haramein and associates regarding some of these artifacts. They have completely ignored us which speaks volumes to me. ::)
That does not suprise me ;D
Me either.
Le
Nor Me. [smile]