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The Living Moon => Thorfourwinds Section => Amaterasu Solar - Abundance Paradigm => Topic started by: petrus4 on November 12, 2012, 07:06:26 AM

Title: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: petrus4 on November 12, 2012, 07:06:26 AM
From Sasha (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_channelers14.htm):-

Question: Can societies lesser advanced than you have the same system?

Absolutely, no question. But it can't happen now on your planet while you are in the present level of fear.

If one day the President of your world said,

    "Okay, from now on we have the Pleiadian Equal Value System."

There would be tremendous hoarding because you would not believe you deserve it. You would feel like you would have to "get" as much as you could before someone changes their mind.

Technologically, you could create this. Emotionally, you are not at this point yet. There is too much invested in lack. There is too much invested in the belief of the haves and have nots in your world. There needs to be more internal transformation until you can embrace the Pleiadian Equal Value system or your own version of equal distribution of wealth which is not communism.

Please do not take this as an insult about your society. Obviously this game of lack and wealth still serves you, otherwise you would not be playing it. So in that, there is value. When you move toward the idea that we were just talking to you about regarding being self-responsible, holding your wealth in tangible ways and living in a community lifestyle, that is the precursor to the Pleidian Equal Value System.

When you are in a community where everyone is self-responsible, you naturally share what you have with others. You know that they will naturally share what they have with you - not out of a sense of obligation or a communistic credo, but simply because you care about each other. That is the seed which begins germinating the Pleiadian Equal Value System.

Many of you are crying out for a new way. You are also feeling drawn to being around other people. It is almost as if you are tired of creating boundaries around you. You are tired of building a brick wall.

Speaking of investments, another thing that is good to invest in is yourself. Learn a skill, or create something that can be bartered. That is a tangible investment. Usury (borrowing and lending at interest) is what has caused all the problems in your current system.

Your government is in debt to foreign creditors. Everyone is in debt to someone. This is all because somewhere down the line, usury began to be used. In the most sacred religious texts on Earth, it has been one of the biggest evils! It is through the door of usury that much corruption happens.

If you become more self-responsible and affiliate yourself with others who are choosing the same, you will always have what you need when you need it. Always. It is a very different way to live. Eventually, this can be one of the roads that leads to the Pleiadian Equal Value System.

For those of you who do not know what we are talking about regarding the Pleiadian Equal Value System, it is very simple. It may even sound too simplistic.

Everything in our society is equal to everything else. We'll use an analogy. I can go into a "supermarket" and get my groceries. I won't purchase them, I'll simply walk out with them. However, whenever someone comes to me for my service, I give them my service. This allows everyone on my planet to do what excites them and not worry that they can't make a living at it.

Your value system now is totally arbitrary. In community, those arbitrary values go out the window. You can't keep changing them to suit your purposes. We view our planet as one holistic unit.

Once we were speaking to someone about this and they were very critical.

They said,

    "Well, who is taking out the garbage, since no one could possible be excited to do that?"

No, no one is excited to take out the garbage. However, there have been plenty of people (inventors) who were very excited to invent a device to get rid of the garbage!

That is a symptom of a holistic organism.

Where there is a need, there is someone to fulfill the need. This is how our society works. We know this is very alien to you. Look at how many hungry inventors there are on your world who want to invent alternate fuel sources. There are people who want to invent new forms of waste disposal. There are so many people who want to invent things to take away the displeasing things that you have to deal with.

If you suddenly let go of your definitions and your rigid constraints and learned to follow your excitement every day, you would create this! It is just a matter of time until you do. Right now there are still too many people hoarding power, money, and living in fear.


I can't stop wanting this.  I can't.  I think the single biggest reason why I'm scared of the idea that Christians could be right, and she and the others claiming to be her species are literal Hell-spawned demons, is because even if that was true, I'd honestly keep wanting what she claims to have, and to continue to listen to her, regardless.  I wouldn't be able to help myself.
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: Pimander on November 12, 2012, 02:00:47 PM
Quote from: petrus4 on November 12, 2012, 07:06:26 AM
I think the single biggest reason why I'm scared of the idea that Christians could be right, and she and the others claiming to be her species are literal Hell-spawned demons, is because even if that was true, I'd honestly keep wanting what she claims to have, and to continue to listen to her, regardless.  I wouldn't be able to help myself.
Don't worry mate.  How can that message be spawned form a demonic entity?  Yes, you may disagree with some of it, as I do, but it is clearly a positive message.

What kind of nonsense would it be to believe what they say?
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: Amaterasu on November 13, 2012, 05:56:48 PM
I have to say that I disagree with the assessments here - insofar as, if We created abundance as Our economic model, with social currency only, We would not be hording in case someOne "changed Their mind."  Once free energy is flowing, no amount of mind-changing is going to take it away.

It still seems to assume scarcity paradigm conditions...
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: Pimander on November 13, 2012, 06:01:28 PM
Quote from: Amaterasu on November 13, 2012, 05:56:48 PM
It still seems to assume scarcity paradigm conditions...
That's why it is relevant to now.  We are not living in an abundance paradigm yet.
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: Amaterasu on November 13, 2012, 06:57:42 PM
QuoteThere would be tremendous hoarding because you would not believe you deserve it. You would feel like you would have to "get" as much as you could before someone changes their mind.

Technologically, you could create this. Emotionally, you are not at this point yet. There is too much invested in lack. There is too much invested in the belief of the haves and have nots in your world. There needs to be more internal transformation until you can embrace the Pleiadian Equal Value system or your own version of equal distribution of wealth which is not communism.

I disagree, as I have said.  This seems to imply We will all go hoarding if We have free energy and robots for any necessary thing as if these things will disappear.

It says We're "not ready."  I say We are - but that the ideas are suppressed, denied (like free energy), ridiculed, and otherwise propagandized against.  HUMANS are ready but the "farmers" won't let Us know that.
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on November 13, 2012, 10:26:13 PM
Aargh!

Yes it is a scarcity system we have now, & it's mostly based on energy.

That in itself, is not even a problem, we've seen the discussions on that.

Amy, i'm sorry, but you are still looking too far ahead, maybe that's a good thing, since people will need to read books from you & others to see where they are going.

But for now,
This Pliedian thing is all very cool & stuff, i don't see the difference between this & the natural laws that (free) people will adapt, or the 3 laws that Amy swears by (there are 4, i'm sure of that ;))

Like i said, it is our duty (as humans) to help others (humans, animals,nature) and until we can all agree on that one simple question, we are doomed.

When i speak of 'awareness' i don't just mean the energy slave problem, i mean all of it.
We must be more aware of each other's needs, more aware of what's going on around us, more aware of nature, and of humanity in general.

First, we have to make them aware of the problem.

Then we make them aware of the choices they have (just to keep it democratic ;) )

Then we have to make them aware of the solution, which is in their own minds.
Yes yours and mine too ::)
We have a general concensus here that things are terribly wrong.
We know why, it's mostly down to our own human nature & being easily led by others.

We know what to do.......


I enjoyed the O.P. tremendously, thank you.

ETA: That was almost a Haiku... :o
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: petrus4 on November 15, 2012, 07:23:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9HtZFb_VtM

I'm not sure why, but I've really been immersing myself in Pleiadian stuff over the last four days or so.  I just find so much here that really does seem to make sense.  Some of it is still a little disconcerting, yes; but there's a lot that really resonates as well.  If Pimander was right about this material being part of some CIA mind control operation, then I guess I'm in serious trouble. ;)
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: Amaterasu on November 15, 2012, 07:59:35 PM
I watched, Petrus, My friend, and saw both truth and lies.  The "new-agey" stuff felt so wrong, rather misinformational.  I think We would see things like reports of changed DNA by now...wouldn't You?  Or do They have that so wrapped up in secrecy that it hasn't leaked?

Though I do think We are God, I also think that it is Ours to work out in 3D+t.  Anything that suggests We will have help, will have biological changes, things sucking emotional energy from other dimensions...  I give low probability to.  The Terra Papers, on the other hand, I think are much closer to what is going on.

I do think Humanity is at a point where if enough of Us coalesce in specific goals We can do it.  I also think that there are non-Humans in this game, and are in control.  I do not say I am here to save Humanity.  I just find that I have been One who luckily has been given very specific knowledge and skills such that I could put together something that would work.  And I AM...trying to save Humanity - because I find I have something that I can give and it will take Us away from the system these in control Now have Us in.

If I had this and did not at least TRY, what would I say of Myself when I die?
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: petrus4 on November 15, 2012, 08:06:17 PM
Quote from: Amaterasu on November 15, 2012, 07:59:35 PM
I watched, Petrus, My friend, and saw both truth and lies.  The "new-agey" stuff felt so wrong, rather misinformational.  Though I do think We are God, I think We would see things like reports of changed DNA by now...wouldn't You?  Or do They have that so wrapped up in secrecy that it hasn't leaked?

I will admit that I've truthfully never believed in that idea.  I tend to view that as being more analogous for a different state of mind.  I don't think anyone's DNA is changing; although it has only been a few people relatively speaking of course, people have been getting to the end stage of religions focused on the idea of enlightenment or divine realisation, for probably 6,000 years now.  That isn't something recent.


QuoteIf I had this and did not at least TRY, what would I say of Myself when I die?

I think it is important to try; very important.
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: Amaterasu on November 15, 2012, 08:10:54 PM
Thank You, Petrus.  I appreciate the affirmation of the need for what I am doing.
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: petrus4 on November 27, 2012, 03:20:29 PM
Quote from: Amaterasu on November 13, 2012, 06:57:42 PM
I disagree, as I have said.  This seems to imply We will all go hoarding if We have free energy and robots for any necessary thing as if these things will disappear.

Amy, what Sasha is saying, is that an Abundance Paradigm first needs to exist within people's hearts and minds before it can exist physically.  She means that even if some of us were able to implement TAP from a purely technological point of view, people would likely still behave in the same way, (at least at first) because of the fact that it needs such a radical value system shift as well.  People need to think differently; and very few of us do.
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: Amaterasu on November 28, 2012, 01:32:31 AM
And I say if it hits the tipping point, We will be thinking in the right frame - and then We'll implement.
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: Eighthman on November 28, 2012, 02:27:23 AM
We all want a better system and clearly the present order is decaying.  Unfortunately, this stuff sounds like commune ideology from the '60's that did not end well.

Yes, I want to believe..... and I'm hardly alone.  The whole Western world is getting desperate for hope and some way out of this economic dead end that the 'experts' and pundits can't understand or fix.  I fear that if Dec. 21 ends in disappointment, we could see a wave of suicides.  Some folks could even rationalize that such is their ticket to a higher dimension.

Unless there is a sudden, miraculous transition to ET- built Paradise, we're gonna have to adapt.  Part time jobs, barter, 3-D printers, and free (or very cheap) energy will get us by.

I think the Pleaidian stuff requires a strongly unified consciousness - and I don't just mean just attitude. I'm talking ESP-level telepathy/empathy.  If they could give us that,  it would be a huge help.
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: petrus4 on November 28, 2012, 02:56:14 AM
Quote from: Eighthman on November 28, 2012, 02:27:23 AM
I think the Pleaidian stuff requires a strongly unified consciousness - and I don't just mean just attitude. I'm talking ESP-level telepathy/empathy.  If they could give us that,  it would be a huge help.

Yes, it would.  I admit that I have problems there as well; "unity," is still more or less a swear word in my vocabulary.  That doesn't mean that I think we should all be killing each other; but a unified geopolitical scenario, is one where you have intense concentration of political power.
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: Eighthman on November 28, 2012, 03:24:26 AM
Perhaps it has to do with the times and seasons.........but sometimes I feel like I'm gritting my teeth while flinching in agreement on some things these days.

I've never liked Obama but I am forced to admit that he might end up being a very remarkable person, perhaps even chosen as the 2012 crowd thinks.  He may have prevented WW3 and turned the tables on the warmongers very competently.......

http://www.presidentialufo.com/barack-h-obama/474-obama-ufos-and-the-first-100-days?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

And he may have bigger surprizes in store, as above.
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: petrus4 on November 28, 2012, 03:32:35 AM
Quote from: Eighthman on November 28, 2012, 03:24:26 AM
http://www.presidentialufo.com/barack-h-obama/474-obama-ufos-and-the-first-100-days?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

That article doesn't prove anything.  All it really says is, "I didn't believe Obama's lies before he was initially elected, but I'm really, really hoping that he's telling the truth this time."

Barrack Obama is a highly charismatic secondary psychopath, and a frontman for corporate interests and the cabal.  I've said that before.  If he gives people the warm fuzzies, and comes across as some sort of Messianic figure, then all that means is that he is successfully doing exactly what he was installed to do.  Bush and Cheney demonstrated to the cabal that the people are not willing to accept open, fascist psychopathy; so instead, we've now got Barrack, who is still a murdering, psychopathic tyrant to every iota of the same degree that Bush or Cheney were, but while behaving that way, does so with a big smile on his face, while giving speeches that make ignorant, emotive black women hug each other and cry.

It's all a disgusting farce.
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: Eighthman on November 28, 2012, 03:40:44 AM
Obama is the most strange and enigmatic character I've ever seen in public life. His rocket-like ascension into the White House is one of the weirdest things in my memory.

Try to keep an open mind about it....... he might not be what the Cabal thinks he is, either


Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: zorgon on November 28, 2012, 03:50:41 AM
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on November 13, 2012, 10:26:13 PM
Yes it is a scarcity system we have now, & it's mostly based on energy.

well energy can be fixed :D (well what's taking you guys so long with that prototype? :P )

But there is a more urgent problem that is in the scarcity paradigm..

FRESH WATER

The planet is drying up... the increased heat from that non existent global warming :P is drying up the planet at an alarming rate. Ice caps at the poles and the mountain tops are melting and  running into the sea at an alarming rate.

Rain making weather manipulation is simply robbing the moisture from one place to put it somewhere else... but its only a temporary measure

Just here in Las Vegas in my own yard.... It was so hot this last summer for so long that the amount of water I had to use just to keep my plants alive cost me a fortune. Couldn't afford to fill the pool this season due to that.

And even then half the new plants withered and died from the searing heat. We even put shades up on some. And the yield on veggies and fruits was almost non existent. What we did get was small and shriveled. Even the pommegranites were dry and not sweet this year.

So if this is a continuing trend, there will be serious drinking and irrigation water shortages in the next few years.... That will mean food shortages. So we may no even survive long enough to see free energy take over...


"But the oceans..." you will say. Yes but desalination is not easy. If it was we would already be doing that on a massive scale to water the arid lands. Even the Arabs who need to do that to survive and have effectively all the free energy they can pump, are having trouble getting enough fresh water

So how much water does the average person need in a day just for personal use? Then add how much that person will 'consume' for the food he eats. Plants need water, so do cattle.  All that has to be considered when calculating an individual's needs  and don't forget washing :D

Now multiply that buy 7+ billion people, most of who have already polluted their fresh water years ago


Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: undo11 on November 28, 2012, 04:01:17 AM
well as a christian, i have no reason to think beings from the pleaides are demons.   there are many approaches to that type of subject within the christian community. 

what i will say, however, is that the recurring theme that "knowledge" and therefore "light", is a reference to enlightenment, in the garden of eden verses where adam and eve are "beguiled" by the serpent.  this is not so. 

knowledge in the context of the garden, the gift given to the adam race, was procreation.  "to know" was to have sex.  "and adam knew his wife and she conceived."    the serpent in this example is dna, responsible for procreation.  all the verses in that section are about the cloning of the adam race from the atum  (elohim) templates, the addition of procreative ability, and the tree of life nerf (they nerfed our ability to regenerate all our parts, because they didn't want a reproductive species multiplying out of control on the planet and living forever, as we would fill up the universe in a few thousand years given adequate technology to travel in space.
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: petrus4 on November 28, 2012, 04:15:41 AM
Quote from: Eighthman on November 28, 2012, 03:40:44 AM
Try to keep an open mind about it....... he might not be what the Cabal thinks he is, either


This is the element which a lot of his defenders among the New Age and channelling scene are relying on, yes.  The idea that Obama is in fact a wild card; that while the cabal installed him, thinking that he would go along with the program and unquestioningly do their bidding, he may in fact double cross them at some point, and start acting in the people's favour.

We will see.  Based on his track record so far, I am far less open to that idea now than I was when he was first elected.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7kSjZ9LoIs
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: undo11 on November 28, 2012, 04:20:48 AM
this technology is already being developed to desalinate water, create light fixtures, as a giant "lily pad" wind farm, and etc.  it's called biophotovoltaics. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pObxCXhf9-E

Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: petrus4 on November 28, 2012, 04:49:20 AM
Quote from: undo11 on November 28, 2012, 04:01:17 AM
well as a christian, i have no reason to think beings from the pleaides are demons.   there are many approaches to that type of subject within the christian community.

Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.  By their fruit you will recognize them.  Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?  Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.  A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.  Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.  Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. 
-- Matthew 7:15-20

what i will say, however, is that the recurring theme that "knowledge" and therefore "light", is a reference to enlightenment, in the garden of eden verses where adam and eve are "beguiled" by the serpent.  this is not so. 

Quoteknowledge in the context of the garden, the gift given to the adam race, was procreation.  "to know" was to have sex.  "and adam knew his wife and she conceived."

If sexuality is allowed to have its natural place which is everywhere in everything you do, it can't be used against you, can it?

Exactly. Again, sexuality is not sex. We're not talking about the sex act. We're talking about the natural flow of energy in creation that is sexual/sensual in its nature. It is of a creative vibration. Now, many people have made the comment that they feel the sensual energy from the Pleiadian entities, and that is simply that we allow that energy to flow; there is no sexuality/nonsexuality. There is simply one expression, and if that is the case, sex does not become a big deal. It cannot be used for control or manipulation.

What is interesting is that we have had encounters with females in your society (through this channel) who have found us threatening because of the sensual energy perhaps that they are perceiving in us. We are therefore threatening to them because perhaps we may gain more attention in a direction they don't want to look at within themselves.


Not only that, but I haven't met a man who hasn't sat here and said, "Hmm, going to bed with Sasha..." I mean, any man that I've been around, that I've ever spoken to about being around your energy, all of a sudden this is the ideal sensual package that they all think they've been searching for.

And we tone it down quite a bit!! [Laughter] Generally, if people judge their own or others' sexuality, they may be very threatened by our type of energy.

-- Sasha (http://www.worldtrans.org/lyssa/112edit.html), Q&A on Pleiadian sexuality.  Bold emphasis mine, and added to mark her answers.

If you are in a Pleiadian civilization, the expression of love and sexuality at that moment is literally so complete and balanced and whole that there is no need to attach themselves to the other person and drag them through eternity. Because they have so many of these whole and complete interactions, they feel secure - in themselves and in their expression of their sexuality. There are also married groups, which you have here on your world called "polyfidelity," which is simply taking the monogamy idea and expanding it so instead of two people, there are three or more.

These marriage units are very loving, very connected, very committed to each other. This does not necessarily mean that they never live with one person or never have a type of marriage relationship with one person; many of them do. The difference is that they recognize immediately when it's time to move into something else.

When you on your planet are in a relationship and feel that it's time to leave the relationship and you go and tell your mate, the mate quite often will be very hurt, will attempt to latch on to you, will show a lot of pain, etc. On your planet, however, 100% of the time when one of you feels the relationship is changed, both of you have. It's just that one person may not be recognizing it, or may be living in their own type of creation and cannot see what's really happening. This is changing now, as all of you are committing yourselves to your own personal growth.

Within the Pleiadian system if the woman comes home and says, "This has been an absolutely wonderfully fulfilling relationship for me. I feel now that it's time for me to go to the other side of the planet and do something else," there's total understanding, total respect with no personal pain withheld on the part of the other person. They recognize that it must be the time, and there is a disconnection. This allows relationships to be very fluid and the sexual energy within the partners is not held or blocked but is channeled through their entire body and into their lives.

One interesting contrast is that the Orions do not express sexuality in day-to-day life. They express their sexuality only when they're with their mate in a certain disciplined time period. The Pleiadians allow their sexual energy to permeate every aspect of their life. So if you have an interaction with a Pleiadian, you may feel that there's a lot of sensual energy coming from that being. It's because they do not differentiate between sensuality or sexuality and life. Sensuality or sexuality to them is life; it's the complete and full channeling of that energy through their embodiment. That philosophy is brought into their society by how they structure their relationships.

-- Sasha again, although this is from a requote, and I can't seem to find the original session atm.

Imagine living in a town populated by young, toned, athletic mini-gods at the peak of their physical prime. Imagine that they've all dedicated years of their lives to disciplining their hot, fatless bodies for a shot to live in this little town for a few weeks. And here they are, all 10,000 of them, minus their parents and spouses and the daily regimens that have governed their lives up to this point, in an exotic location, with lots of spare time. Let's put it this way: At the 1988 Seoul games, there was such a problem with used condoms showing up on the roof of the British men's housing that the Olympic Association had to ban outdoor sex.

Can you imagine a crisis of condom littering so profound that an official ban on publicly whipping out your Olympic-quality junk was required? Can you fathom the degrading conversation that had to occur between Olympic officials and grizzled coaches to get this ban enacted? And it was no isolated situation -- from what we can tell, every single Olympic Village since, well, ever, has been knee-deep in genital juice.

By 1992, Olympic organizers got so worried about the frenetic sexing that they started giving athletes free condoms just to keep the AIDS at bay. By the 2010 Vancouver Winter Olympics, 100,000 condoms were distributed to about 6,500 athletes and officials. That's about 15 condoms per person. AND THE 100,000 CONDOMS WEREN'T ENOUGH. Halfway through the games, an emergency shipment of rubbers was brought in to fill the gap.  And that's not even touching how much unprotected sex these guys were having. So what we're trying to say is that not even Las Vegas or Copulation Town, USA, can compete with the coitusathon occurring in the streets of an Olympic Village.

-- Cracked.com, 5 Things They Don't Want You To Know About The Olympics (http://www.cracked.com/article_19733_5-things-they-dont-want-you-to-know-about-olympics.html).

Humans do tend (when left alone to naturally do it) to manifest things in a very Pleiadian way.

But you resist it!

-- Sasha (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_channelers14.htm)

Apparently said "Tree of Life nerf," may have been justified. ;)
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: undo11 on November 28, 2012, 05:01:09 AM
Quote from: Eighthman on November 28, 2012, 03:40:44 AM
Obama is the most strange and enigmatic character I've ever seen in public life. His rocket-like ascension into the White House is one of the weirdest things in my memory.

Try to keep an open mind about it....... he might not be what the Cabal thinks he is, either


what concerns me is that some think he's the antichrist.  the problem with that is, the antichrist, if it/he/she were a singular individual, would not betray the evil dudes. he'd be their best buddy till the end of the world if necessary. the only example listed of the antichrist betraying another evil figure, is when he roasts the whore of babylon, which is a metaphor in the verses, for rome. 

the evidence is that the whore is defined as: 1)  a city, 2) as a religious city pretending to be christian but slaughtering christians all the time, 3) a religious city that slaughters christians all the time and sits on 7 hills. in fact, the antichrist is sewn into that scene, as one of the horns on the 7 headed dragon, which in this example, represents the political power of the beast/antichrist/false prophet system and the whore rides on its back, representing a religious institution, that masquerades as christian but kills christians all the time. 

rome has 7 hills.  so theoretically, the anti-christ is someone attached to the vatican, that is not even remotely christian, and that deliberately kills christians as a matter of course.  some believe it is the jesuit general, mostly because the jesuits are the army and secret service of the vatican and one of the most powerful organizations on earth. the pope actually confesses to the jesuit general and only the jesuit general.

some believe they are currently at odds with each other, as the jesuits are supposedly atheists and secretly despise the rcc. if this is true, it would kinda make sense.  but that also let's obama off the hook. 
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: petrus4 on November 28, 2012, 05:05:30 AM
Quote from: undo11 on November 28, 2012, 05:01:09 AM
what concerns me is that some think he's the antichrist.

I don't think Obama is the antichrist.  He's just another common or garden variety, successful secondary psychopath.  Nothing particularly intringuing, moreso than the entire phenomena of psychopathy itself.

The single main reason why I don't want to give him the benefit of the doubt, or let him off the hook so to speak, is because his entire style of relating, is specifically designed and intended to cause people to want to do that.  It's extremely manipulative.

He speaks in a manner which causes our emotions to want to give him another chance; but the critically important thing to realise, is that the entire reason why him needing another chance is an issue in the first place, is precisely because of the fact that pretty words are literally all he is good for.  From what I've seen at least, he doesn't seem to do anything which benefits anybody non-corporate at all.
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: Amaterasu on November 28, 2012, 07:04:47 PM
Quote from: Eighthman on November 28, 2012, 02:27:23 AM
We all want a better system and clearly the present order is decaying.  Unfortunately, this stuff sounds like commune ideology from the '60's that did not end well.

Communism is a scarcity paradigm solution - as are socialism and capitalism.  The Abundance Paradigm is terra incognita.

QuoteYes, I want to believe..... and I'm hardly alone.  The whole Western world is getting desperate for hope and some way out of this economic dead end that the 'experts' and pundits can't understand or fix.  I fear that if Dec. 21 ends in disappointment, we could see a wave of suicides.  Some folks could even rationalize that such is their ticket to a higher dimension.

Add free energy and robots and We will solve most issues on this planet.

QuoteUnless there is a sudden, miraculous transition to ET- built Paradise, we're gonna have to adapt.  Part time jobs, barter, 3-D printers, and free (or very cheap) energy will get us by.

No sudden transition...  Add free energy, fund retrofitting and new FE devices, fund robots, and in 5-10 years We will have no need for money.

QuoteI think the Pleaidian stuff requires a strongly unified consciousness - and I don't just mean just attitude. I'm talking ESP-level telepathy/empathy.  If they could give us that,  it would be a huge help.

I don't think it is necessary.  Just a tipping point of awareness of what T.A.P. is and how We can move forth.  If the tipping point is reached, We WILL make it so.
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: zorgon on November 28, 2012, 09:35:32 PM
Quote from: Pimander on November 28, 2012, 03:16:36 PM
Taste the fruit for yourselves. 

Snow White had one of those APPLES

Look what happened to her :D

(http://www.lorenzosperlongastore.citymax.com/i//Poison-Apple-web.jpg)
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: zorgon on November 28, 2012, 09:38:21 PM
Quote from: undo11 on November 28, 2012, 08:56:24 PMapparently the mods felt it was in the right place, cause it's still there 5 or more years later.

Well the main premise of Stargate is that ALL of our Ancient 'Gods' are Aliens... so yeah it's in the right place and still the top thread in that section :D
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: Pimander on November 28, 2012, 10:20:44 PM
Quote from: zorgon on November 28, 2012, 09:35:32 PM
Snow White had one of those APPLES

Look what happened to her :D

(http://www.lorenzosperlongastore.citymax.com/i//Poison-Apple-web.jpg)
Go on folks, sink your teeth into some of that fruit.  :o
Title: Re: A relevant, very powerful quote
Post by: Pimander on November 28, 2012, 10:22:54 PM
Quote from: undo11 on November 28, 2012, 08:56:24 PM
apparently the mods felt it was in the right place, cause it's still there 5 or more years later.
UFOs and aliens should probably be a sub-section of ancient history. ;)