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Paranormal Studies => Cryptozoology - Bigfoot, Monsters and other Critters => Topic started by: Phedre on November 26, 2012, 07:26:39 PM

Title: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: Phedre on November 26, 2012, 07:26:39 PM
I was listening to C2C last night and heard a shocking revelation! Could it be true? :o

http://www.nabigfootsearch.com/home.html


http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/11/prweb10166775.htm

Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: Ellirium113 on November 27, 2012, 12:10:11 AM
QuoteOur data indicate that the North American Sasquatch is a hybrid species, the result of males of an unknown hominin species crossing with female Homo sapiens.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/11/prweb10166775.htm (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/11/prweb10166775.htm)

Interesting, wonder where else that mysterious DNA might turn up?
Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: Pimander on November 27, 2012, 02:11:49 AM
If a sequence is released then let me know.  This is where an expert might be useful.
Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: Phedre on November 27, 2012, 02:17:32 AM
I only have my intuition to rely on here. But all says that this is true. Human (as we know) mother and who knows what father. Further speculation can go virile and probably will . Dr . Ketchum has been in business with DNA Diagnostics, located in Texas, since 1985. I think she must be quite brave or stupid as other government scientists will eat her alive.  I have been around what I believe to be "bigfoot" a number of times, when I was roaming the forests.  This is my experience, nothing I can prove. But I know.

Dr. Melba S. Ketchum, DNA Diagnotics
http://www.dnadiagnostics.com/staff.html


PS thankyou to whoever took care of the "over-dotting" ;D

Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: biggles on November 27, 2012, 02:31:55 AM
I cannot understand how a female could carry let alone be inseminated by one of these beings, unless it was done by genetic engineering.

For example, like in vitro fertilization but then I find it hard to believe a woman could carry that, unless it was grown in a test tube, so maybe genetic cross engineering in a black projects lab.

Or, this was done way, way back by ET or a previous race?
Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: Pimander on November 27, 2012, 02:36:36 AM
species
plural of spe·cies (Noun)
Noun:   

    A group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding. The species is the principal..


So if it can interbreed with a human woman it is a human.
Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: Ellirium113 on November 27, 2012, 03:44:10 AM
Quote from: Pimander on November 27, 2012, 02:36:36 AM
species
plural of spe·cies (Noun)
Noun:   

    A group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding. The species is the principal..


So if it can interbreed with a human woman it is a human.

Test: What happens when rabbits interbreed with cats? Do cats have rabbit offspring or something new?
Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on November 27, 2012, 06:45:12 AM
It is very likely the method of cross inseminations could be from an abduction scenario that have been reported over time, rare as they are, and as personal experience as they may be, these are something to be considered as a factual event for the hybrid possibilities.

QuoteALBERT OSTMAN'S STORY

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/classics/ostman.htm (http://www.bigfootencounters.com/classics/ostman.htm)

QuoteMan claims Bigfoot abducted girl while camping.

http://www.weirdfresno.com/2010/05/man-claims-bigfoot-abducted-girl-while.html (http://www.weirdfresno.com/2010/05/man-claims-bigfoot-abducted-girl-while.html)

QuoteIn 1987 Abduction Case: Bigfoot Was Named Prime Suspect in Teen's Disappearance

http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2012/04/in-1987-abduction-case-bigfoot-was.html (http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2012/04/in-1987-abduction-case-bigfoot-was.html)

QuoteChinese Bigfoot Cross-Breeding-1997

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/creatures/crossbreed.htm (http://www.bigfootencounters.com/creatures/crossbreed.htm)

QuoteWorld's oldest cave paintings discovered in Spain - and they may have been painted by Neanderthals 

http://articles.nydailynews.com/nydn-nav.php?c=32239817&p=NYDailyNews&t=ap-NYDN9-G02&s=News&n= (http://articles.nydailynews.com/nydn-nav.php?c=32239817&p=NYDailyNews&t=ap-NYDN9-G02&s=News&n=)

These are all cases of this scenario of having taken place. One thing we must consider is that these are all "Personal Encounters" and are always seemingly wrote off as lunacy or impossible events.
If we go deeper into the "Cross-Breeding Theories" we can definitely give credence too what Zacharia Sitchin was trying to postulate to the public with his "Twelfth Planet" series. Though his explanation of the "Possibilities" of how we got to where we are via genetic engineering, and with the new discoveries and scientific, Archaeological and Paleontology finds are stunning for this fact being supported.
I know we have all kinds of skeptics, and I know we have all kinds of hoaxers on the WWW that enjoy getting attention with their false reports and faked photo's, but we must remain vigilant for those cases out there that seem too tell us other wise about what may have taken place with "Homo-Erectus/sapien" advancement for understanding the "Real" truth behind our existence. This would venture to the discussion of the "Missing Link" postulations, and would explain all of what we don't currently know of our origins. After all, they are constantly retelling the tales on Rock walls with pictographs and our current methods of telling ages of what these rock art pictures were trying to tell us, and that these events have been happening since mankind has been upright.

QuoteCave drawings discovered in India

Local Archaeologist, Mr Wassim Khan, has personally seen the images. He claims that the objects and creatures seen in them are totally anomalous and out of character when compared to other, already discovered, examples of prehistoric cave art depicting ancient life in the area. As such he believes that they might suggest beings from other planets have been interacting with humans since prehistoric times: Adding weight to the 'ancient astronaut theory' which postulates that human civilization was established with the assistance of benevolent space-faring aliens.

http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2010/02/prehistoric-ufo-et-cave-drawings.html (http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2010/02/prehistoric-ufo-et-cave-drawings.html)

So, I think that Bigfoot's are "Human" in relation, but that is only the simple part of the "Whys" and "How's" we had gotten from there, too here with no real understanding but evidences too support these events as nothing short as "Factual".

QuoteJacko

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/creatures/jacko.htm (http://www.bigfootencounters.com/creatures/jacko.htm)

I don't know if we will ever have the truth with in our life time, but rest assured, we will always have the skeptical and hoaxer's.
"Everything with a grain of salt."

1WW
Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: robomont on November 27, 2012, 07:32:06 AM
im not a bible thumper but didnt god first create man and later adam and eve.
my personal belief is bigfoot is man and adam and eve are humans.
Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: Lunica on November 27, 2012, 09:26:32 AM
Me like.

I have read a lot about the topic lately. I am convinced they exist.

This is a step into the good direction :)
Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: Pimander on November 27, 2012, 12:32:30 PM
Quote from: Ellirium113 on November 27, 2012, 03:44:10 AM
Test: What happens when rabbits interbreed with cats? Do cats have rabbit offspring or something new?
How a species is defined works like this in biology. 

1.  If a creature mates and has offspring that can also reproduce then they belong to the same species.  So even though they look very different, a Jack Russell can breed with a Great Dane (however anatomically challenging this might be for the poor Jack Russell) and their offspring are capable of reproducing.  They are different breeds but the same species.

(http://www.qnetnews.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/barksbythebay-300x284.jpg)
He looks like he's thinking about it. Ouch!
CREDIT: http://www.qnetnews.ca/?p=9794


2.  If a creature mates and produces offspring that are infertile then they do not belong to the same species.  Classic examples of this are if a tiger mates with a Lion you get a Liger (or Tigon depending on which is male) or a horse and a donkey produce a mule (or ass depending on which is male).  Neither a Liger/Tigon or a mule/ass can reproduce.  This is because 2 different species have mated.

(http://7fny.com/sub/m/m_liger_ync5Tfh3.jpg)
How to make a Liger.
CREDIT: http://7fny.com/i/liger_ync5Tfh3


(http://www.naturesafariindia.com/gifs/liger5.jpg)
The result.  Don't mess with a liger!
CREDIT: http://www.naturesafariindia.com/liger.html


However, a rabbit is a rodent and a cat is a feline.  I would expect that they would not produce any offspring that survived pregnancy.  They probably do not even have the same number of chromosomes as one another(although I have not checked).




So, as I pointed out earlier, if Bigfoot can breed fertile offspring by mating with a human, then bigfoot is a breed of human - in much the same way as tiny Vietnamese people and pygmies are the same species as whites and negroes.  If Neanderthal interbred with humans then it was also a breed of human and not a separate species.

Do we all understand the biology now?




With reference to the idea that greys can mate with humans, I give the same answer.  If they can breed with humans and the baby is a fertile child then they are a type of human and not a different species, which would indicate a very close link. 

However, it is my opinion that it is not that abductions are not that simple and high strangeness is an important element of these reports that is not explained by that oversimplified view.  I also think it has been clouded by a psychological operation.
Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: Caver78 on November 27, 2012, 04:59:32 PM
Some backround material.

Marie-Jeanne Koffman's work in the Caucasus documenting interactions between elderly Russians and the Almasty. http://www.stgr-primates.de/research.html

Also there's Lisa A Shiel who btw resides in Michigan, LOL, and has been methodically documenting in a anthropological way what's going on, on her property.
http://lisashiel.jacobsvillebooks.com/blog/ape-human-bigfoot-what-does-it-all-mean/

Her book Backyard Bigfoot I'm not ashamed to admit is in part over my head as I don't have training in Medical Anthropology, but I'm guessing people here will zip right thru it.  ;)

There is plenty of reliable evidence out there that Bigfoot has a long history of interacting with humans as a relic homin [sp] and it's behavior matches up with what Dr.Ketchum has found.
Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: Caver78 on November 27, 2012, 05:30:22 PM
OK...Dave Paulides and Dr.Ketchum were interviewed and here's the latest.
http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/yhr/tuesday/557851-8/sasquatch-does-dna-say-its-human

Looking good so far! ;D
Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: sky otter on November 27, 2012, 06:18:42 PM


dang
can't find the reference where someone said that  bigfoot was a backup for us if we screwed up the planet
:o
Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: Pimander on November 27, 2012, 08:02:30 PM
QuoteKetchum said the study had sequenced "three complete Sasquatch nuclear genomes" and determined the species is a human hybrid — "the result of males of an unknown hominin species crossing with female Homo sapiens."

Well where did he get the DNA?
Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: Caver78 on November 27, 2012, 09:12:53 PM
LOLOL...Dr.Melba Ketchum is a ''her''.

Submissions from all across North America, part of the Justin Smeja kill in California, NABS, smaller research orgs. and private individuals. This has been in the works for a LOOOOOONG time.

The Sykes study is only doing testing on hair samples, which isn't enough to determine a new species, but looks good in the media.
Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: robomont on November 27, 2012, 09:59:37 PM
the reason i believe is because of the us army field manual of north american species has one in it.
the gov usually doesnt joke around.
i saw that on tv so it may be a lie ,but my guess ,they are real.
Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: Caver78 on November 27, 2012, 11:07:45 PM
There are loads of reports of BF on military bases, the BFRO has some, Bobby Short's site Bigfoot Encounters has some, then Tim ''coonbo'' Baker did a radio show in the internet, in the 3rd hr he went into a story of one getting bagged in the hunt for BL and the body was shipped back to the states.
:)
Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: Pimander on November 28, 2012, 12:57:32 PM
I still say that whatever the sample Dr Ketchum has looked at, if they have bred with humans they are a race and NOT a different species.

I guess if I want to follow this up I should contact the researchers.  I may just wait to see if a peer reviewed paper appears.
Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: Caver78 on November 28, 2012, 05:42:17 PM
http://www.click2houston.com/news/Does-Bigfoot-have-human-DNA/-/1735978/17568802/-/5pkab/-/index.html

Live interview by Dr.Ketchum
Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: Phedre on December 10, 2012, 12:39:36 AM

George Knapp: I'm dreaming of a Bigfoot Christmas
http://lasvegascitylife.com/sections/opinion/knappster/george-knapp-i%E2%80%99m-dreaming-bigfoot-christmas.html

An interesting article by Mr. Knapp. Evidently has known about the study for some time.


It also appears the  Dr. Ketchum has a certain naivete' about her, that in its self will make things more difficult. :o
Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on December 10, 2012, 01:00:26 AM
Thanks Phedre, was a good article, Logical, Open minded.
But, there was one thing that got my attention for them too even doubt her in the first place:
QuoteThey performed DNA analysis in the blind, then sent the remarkable findings back to Ketchum. I'll put it this way — this is spooky stuff. The results are unequivocal: The hairs are not only from an unknown species, but they show a common link to humans.

SAME ARTICLE AS LISTED IN PHEDRE"S OP

Pretty conclusive if the alleged Blind studies were completed unequivocally. Air tight in a court of law, especially for Mt-DNA sample testing results.

Wait and see what and how far those Critic's take it, may be licking wounds for a while.

1Worldwatcher
Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on December 10, 2012, 01:17:19 AM
DNA has been played around with in the past by some Not from the Earth.

History is full of such, but is believed to be Myth today....

The Greek gods for example.

"Half Horse Half Primate" and One as we know, with Wings...  :D

Another record can be found re genetic mutations and interbreeding with the human race (Breaking Laws within the system  :(  >:(  )  found in "The Books of E'NOCH".

Such could only happen through "Genetic Engineering", by those having the knowledge to do this.

Not all alien Civilisations are friendly.    :o
Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: Phedre on December 10, 2012, 01:53:49 AM

Not all alien Civilisations are friendly.    :o


I do agree and I do not consider BF a particularly "friendly being". I also do not consider humans as a species  particularly "friendly" either.  So perhaps if we are related, it would explain a lot about us? ::)



Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on December 10, 2012, 03:23:21 AM
Quote from: Phedre on December 10, 2012, 01:53:49 AM
Not all alien Civilisations are friendly.    :o
I do agree and I do not consider BF a particularly "friendly being". I also do not consider humans as a species  particularly "friendly" either.  So perhaps if we are related, it would explain a lot about us? ::)

Truer words cannot be written better. Exactly what I was thinking, but  had too have it pointed out ot me. Heck! This stage of what society has dealt with in our structure, I would probably more apt to trust Sasquatch over a Banker..LOL
Title: Re: Big Foot...Human?!
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on December 10, 2012, 04:35:05 AM
Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on December 10, 2012, 03:23:21 AM
Truer words cannot be written better. Exactly what I was thinking, but  had too have it pointed out ot me. Heck! This stage of what society has dealt with in our structure, I would probably more apt to trust Sasquatch over a Banker..LOL

LOL...  Indeed.   :D